From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #96 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, April 14 2000 Volume 09 : Number 096 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Elian.... [tanter ] Re: Elian.... ["Capitalism Blows" ] eb... ["Capitalism Blows" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #94 [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz] Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #95 [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz] Re: Elian.... [Miles Goosens ] Re: satellite dub - new music ["Stewart C. Russell" ] randi goes to the west coast ["randi..aka..twofangs" ] Re: satellite dub - new music ["craig brown" ] Re: Elian.... [GSS ] Re: Elian.... ["brian nupp" ] Re: King Crimson/The ConstruKCtion of Light ["brian nupp" ] Re: Elian.... [steve ] until the end of the all over the world [Jason Thornton ] Re: Elian.... [Jason Thornton ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:02:53 -0500 From: tanter Subject: Elian.... Is anyone else as frustrated about this as I am? I don't understand what the deal is with our gov't--this boy is being held, virtually kidnapped, and rather than just going in there, getting him, arresting the kidnappers and returning the boy to his daddy, they're playing footsie and the justice system is pandering to this family. If my husband and I divorced and he took the kids to England against my will, without my consent and refused to return them, he'd be arrested and the kids would be returned to me, full stop. No one has the right to keep this child from his father and it's just turned into this huge thing that I cannot fathom. I'm so frustrated I can't even really explain what I feel. The video they played on tv today is beyond belief--I suspect the great uncle has some kind of asperations, either monetary or political, and he's using Elian as his meal ticket, totally exploiting and brain washing him. Political opinions have nothing to do with it--his mommy is dead, his daddy is alive and has custody. That's it, full stop. People can't just take a boy from his father because they don't like where he lives, it's not their right or their business, unless there is abuse or something and the courts decide it needs to be done. I just don't get this. What is the world coming to? Eddie, Eddie???? Marcy L. Tanter Assistant Professor of English Tarleton State University Stephenville, TX 76401 254-968-9892 (9039 to leave a message) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:12:48 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: Elian.... well, i'm not the buddha. i'm just some guy with a lot of opinions and a VERY big mouth. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:21:15 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: eb... nah, he announced it during the gig, shortly after playing the song. at a hockey game, no less (giving profound new meaning to the phrase "i froze my dimpled ass off"). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 17:27:35 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #94 >I agree. As for the movie music thread, let's try to revive it! I'd >nominate the pool party scene in Boogie Nights. Hell, I'd nominate the >entirety of Boogie Nights. still nothing compared to the music for "Until the End of the World". Man... great soundtrack! Oh, and since we're still in the middle of the first series of the Sopranos in NZ, can I ask for you to warn if there are any spoilers? >Since 1996, Robyn Hitchcock had us almost leashes without news. You And >Oblivion, collection of inedits was only not easily available in importation >and its last album Moss Elixir, was master key almost directly Warner stock >with the vats of the shops of bargains. The tournee of reformation of the >Software Servant boys was well arretee far from our contrees and one thought >well more of re-examining it. Reassuring news filtered however the last >Grant Lee Buffalo or it sang and played of the harmonica, as well as >(excellent!) first album of Tim Keegan and the Homer Loung or it played of >the guitar. One same recognized it in background music of the film Judas >Kiss left in spring. But nothing very concrete until A this June or I falls >in stop on a small poster: " Beer Necessities " present the acoustic It was much more easily understandable BEFORE the translation >Or, rams me, celuie excuse me? James (NEVER to be known as "Poopsie Bubble-chunks" - and I don't think my partner would take to" Stinky Hamster-tush" either! I am impressed that my supervisor is "Loopy Burger-head", though...) James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 17:30:52 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #95 >Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:55:30 +0100 >From: "Stewart C. Russell" >Subject: RIP > >Peter Jones -- voice of The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy. > > Stewart now that has made me very sad. The British Prime Minister (or should I say 'Superman') from Whoops Apocalypse!, too, if I remnember correctly, plus being in just about every other comedy series going for a while. James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:02:52 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Elian.... At 10:02 PM 04/13/2000 -0500, tanter wrote: >Is anyone else as frustrated about this as I am? Yes. >explain what I feel. The video they played on tv today is beyond belief--I >suspect the great uncle has some kind of asperations, either monetary or >political, and he's using Elian as his meal ticket, totally exploiting and >brain washing him. Well, Miami's lovely Cuban community is largely made up of the families of the Batista government, and that government's sycophants who were involved with Cuba's most exploitative industries (sugar cane, gambling, etc.). In other words, some of Latin America's most brutish and vicious thugs. I'm not endorsing Castro by any means, but the Batistas were pernicious and malign, and they and their descendants continue to exert a disproportionate influence over U.S. policy toward Cuba. Ironically, even from the shores of the U.S., they've managed to keep their fellow countrymen in poverty (through the blockade of Cuba), just as they did when they were actually in power in their native land. It's all about scoring P.R. points in their 42-year old war against Castro. They don't give a damn about the kid. Not that I was hepped up about voting for Al Gore in November (the old lesser of evils approach taken to a real extreme in this election!), his cowardly stance on this pretty much ensures that I'm voting for Ralph Nader. If George W. Bush wins by one vote, I'll feel bad, but them's the breaks. later, Miles ====================================================== Miles Goosens UNlimited edition R. Stevie Moore CDs now available! http://www.rsteviemoore.com My personal website http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles "If a million people say a stupid thing, it is still a stupid thing." -- Anatole France ====================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:05:34 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: satellite dub - new music fartachu wrote: > > you've broken all previous records by doing so a mere 50 minutes after you > subscribed! Check the e-mail address -- cbrown@satellitedub.freeserve.co.uk. Freeserve's Britain's cyberequivalent to inner city wasteland. Think AOL's me-too culture squared. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:29:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Elian.... i think it was ellen goodman who pointed out a couple weeks ago that, had it been elian's father who had nearly killed him in a kidnapping attempt so she wouldn't have to choose between her son and her dirtbag boyfriend who overstuffed the raft (note that the father had been awarded custody with the cuban legal system; funny how that rarely gets mentioned) and it was mother who was back in cuba pleading for her son's return, this probably would have resolved months ago, and elian would have been returned to his mother almost immediately. but since his mother is the irresponsible, narcistic nincompoop, she's a martyr. no wonder the cuban courts wouldn't give her custody. any mother who would risk a young child's life the way she did shouldn't be allowed to have custody of a goldfish, let alone a 5 year old boy. i also love how the right claims that part of the reason we should let elian stay with his lottery relatives (you know, the sort of relatives you only meet after you win the lottery) is because elian says he wants to stay. of course, they neglect to mention that they've been bribing him in an obscene amount of toys since his arrival. and that as long as he is with his relatives, he can ignore the reality that he watched his mother, along with everyone else on the boat, drown. miami is merely a fantasyland for him to postpone the severe shell-shock time bomb that is in his psyche. plus, aren't these same conservatives the same ones always telling us that what's wrong with children today is that their parents give them too much of what they want? that parents today need to learn to tell their children no? (unless it suits george the crackhead's politcal agenda, of course.) tanter wrote: > Is anyone else as frustrated about this as I am? I don't understand > what the deal is with our gov't--this boy is being held, virtually > kidnapped, and rather than just going in there, getting him, arresting > the kidnappers and returning the boy to his daddy, they're playing > footsie and the justice system is pandering to this family. If my > husband and I divorced and he took the kids to England against my > will, without my consent and refused to return them, he'd be arrested > and the kids would be returned to me, full stop. No one has the right > to keep this child from his father and it's just turned into > this huge thing that I cannot fathom. I'm so frustrated I can't even > really explain what I feel. The video they played on tv today is > beyond belief--I suspect the great uncle has some kind of asperations, > either monetary or political, and he's using Elian as his meal ticket, > totally exploiting and brain washing him. Political opinions have > nothing to do with it--his mommy is dead, his daddy is alive and has > custody. That's it, full stop. People can't just take a boy from > his father because they don't like where he lives, > it's not their right or their business, unless there is abuse or > something and the courts decide it needs to be done. I just don't get > this. What is the world coming to? Eddie, Eddie???? > > Marcy L. Tanter > Assistant Professor of English > Tarleton State University > Stephenville, TX 76401 > 254-968-9892 (9039 to leave a message) > > ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 04:35:29 -0400 From: "randi..aka..twofangs" Subject: randi goes to the west coast > said the very kind, and 'up on' *grant lee phillips,* michael wolfe: > grant-lee said: > "Meanwhile, Robyn Hitchcock and I are planning to join forces on the road > come late June. > Its looking like a California west coast run at the moment." Well, I thank you greatly for this info : } My b-day is at the end of June ... maybe Robyn will play & we'll all hang out with him & beg him to sing me happy b-day ... In any case - - thanks for making my day Michael : } rand heading to sharkboy's on may 4th :-} :-} :-} :-} :-} :-} :-} :-} :-} :-} :-} :-} :-} :-} :-} :-} :-} :-} aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh seeing a robyn show with fegs! a dream come true {btw bayard - write me about robyn art} ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 02:44:15 -0700 From: Eb Subject: King Crimson/The ConstruKCtion of Light Track indexes: 1. ProzaKC Blues 5:26 2 & 3. The ConstruKCtion of Light 8:39 4. Frying Pan 6:50 5. FraKCtured 9:05 6. Oyster Soup 6:20 7, 8, 9 & 10. Larks Tongues in Aspic Part 4 12:56 11. Heaven and Earth 7:45 [described as a bonus track of sorts, played by Crimson's "experimental alter-existence ProjeKCt X"] Well, I'm not pretending this is a definitive review, or even *my* definitive review. I'm just going to ramble on for awhile, and see where I go. Firstly, let me say that I'm not especially pleased with the disc. At least on first listen, I don't like it as well as Discipline, Beat, Three of a Perfect Pair or Thrak. Nor any other KC release, outside of the Lizard/Islands/Earthbound period. However, purists may like it a lot more than me, because it's the most "prog" KC release in ages. As far as comparisons to KC's existing catalog, imagine Red and Larks Tongues in Aspic minus a chunk of vocals, plus high-tech drums. Ah yes, the drums. A turnoff for me. The electronic nature of the drumming is really upfront, and constantly draws attention to itself. Smack-k-k, smack-k-k, smack-k-k. The crashes have a processed gearhead feel which doesn't appeal to me at all. Instead of thinking about the rhythms, I was thinking about Pat's equipment and endorsement deals. I also missed Bruford's more indirect, elliptical style of timekeeping -- unlike Fripp, obviously. Others' view on this approach may vary, but be warned. I found it grating. The sound has almost none of Thrak's ethereal, impressionist qualities -- it's very harsh, jagged, gritty and ferociously mathematical. Except for a brief section at the end of "Frying Pan" and bits of "Heaven and Earth," there are none of those airy, rhythmless washes found on Thrak. That's a minus, for me -- I enjoyed hearing the band stretch toward a more modern, painterly sound on Thrak, one less concerned with dig-this rhythmic extravagances. The new disc doesn't feel nearly as contemporary as Thrak, as a result. Most of the music is familiar Crimson turf. The diminished intervals, the thorny rhythms (*especially* thorny here), the frenetic double-picking which substitutes endless key modulations for melodic direction. The album is all about Fripp, Fripp, Fripp and his axe. Yet the most intriguing aspect is Belew's contribution, which might explain his ambivalence about the project and short-lived resignation during the recording sessions. As if Fripp has heeded the Belew-bashers, Belew is constricted to a fairly minor role. For one thing, his vocals are generally multi-tracked and processed into near oblivion, such that the lyrics are almost unintelligible without the help of headphones. "Frying Pan" is the only track with a clear Belew vocal. The most ostentatious tampering is on "ProzaKC Blues," where his vocals are electronically tuned down to resemble a gravelly blues baritone. This is quite a shock, especially on first listen. I may never get used to this. It's almost as if the album maliciously hides and obscures Belew's input. However, Belew's lyrics are his retaliation. Sounding noticeably unhappy, he's constantly asking "What am I doing here?" -- both within the band, and here on Earth. His vocals in the last section of "Larks Pt. 4" list a long string of political calamities/tragedies, from Hiroshima to Kennedy to Columbine. "The ConstruKCtion of Light" is full of cosmic questions ("And if God is dead, what am I?/A fleck of dust on the wing of a fly..."). (Note: this song also includes an odd, recurrent montage of chanted words, which reminds me more of Yes than just about anything else in KC's catalog - -- see "Awaken gentle mass touch," etc.). As for "Oyster Soup," I couldn't even understand the vocals well enough to fully parse the thoughts. Again, it's Belew's stream-of-consciousness, laundry-list approach, however. "ProzaKC Blues" is the real bombshell, though. Belew really throws down the gauntlet here, with blatantly autobiographical thoughts about his personal angst. Fans will be debating this song long and hard, particularly on the band's mailing list. Amidst other complaints about depression and frustration, here's the key lyric: "I went to my physician, who was buried in his thoughts/He said 'Son, you've been reading too much Elephant Talk.'" Wow! Immediately afterwards, he adds the parenthetical word "chit-chat," both to quote the original song and to sneer at the mailing list's level of dialogue. Pretty nervy. Give 'em hell, Ade! Otherwise, the song *does* have a blues melody and chord structure, yes, but of course the band gargoyles up the rhythm to be sure it never coalesces into an enjoyable groove. The music, the music...well, as I said, no big surprises. "FraKCtured" is Fripp's major showcase, and it burns. It may be both the prettiest and ugliest track, depending on the section you play. It starts out with a section of contemplative clockwork guitar chiming, with little more than a bass drone in the background. Then it switches into typical Fripp double-picking patterns, before a really beautiful descending section of resolution. The music meanders along in a similar manner for awhile, but then bursts into a heavily distorted section at about the five-minute mark which is just *furious*. The Fripp monster is unleashed! A dizzying explosion of picking, which few others beyond Fripp could manage. It then returns to a more subdued atmosphere, as in the opening section. Excellent. Some observations about other tracks: The first half of "The ConstruKCtion of Light" reminds me of the lean guitar tinklings of the League of Gentleman, but when Belew's vocals kick in, it's back in the polyrhythmic pop of Discipline -- except that the vocal melody (like essentially every other melody on the album) is weak. "Frying Pan" is this album's "Dinosaur," with the most seamless integration of Belew's melodies and the band's instrumental acrobatics. The verse lines have a droning psychedelic flavor reminiscent of various Belew solo tunes. Probably my favorite track, along with "FraKCtured." "Oyster Soup" is somewhat of a mess, however. As tuneless a piece as Crimson has ever recorded, it just rambles along in a gnarled, half-spoken, one-chord groove and goes essentially nowhere. Pretty much an exercise in endurance for me. It does feature an unlikely urging to "Get jiggy with it," however, plus a brief reference to Discipline's "Frame by Frame." There's also an interesting keyboard-led section, which may be the first true keyboard solo on a KC album since, well, Islands? The notes are filtered and warped, giving the lines sort of a drunken, chaotic feel...I like it. I assume this is Belew's work. I wish the current group did more with keyboards (or *less*), rather than using them like a Mellotron to vacantly fill instrumental space. Plenty of room for further experimentation, there. As for the monolithic but not quite thrilling "Larks Pt. 4," well, it earns its title. The opening section strongly recalls the original piece, with those brittle chunks of chords clipping along against the beat. About halfway through the second section, it begins to liberally quote and manipulate the opening riff of "Red." Too bad about the return of those wheezy drones of fake-string keyboards. Section three is back to the first section's motifs, with yowling guitar lines laid on top. Section four has a much stronger melodic quality, with a lot of key-switching, descending chains of chords. This is where Belew's Discipline-style list of historical references enters the picture, establishing a mood of majestic sadness. Very effective. My favorite of the four sections, but it's not enough to make me like this piece as well as the previous "Larks Tongues" compositions. As for the "bonus track," I suspect this is highly akin to the ProjeKCt volumes (I still don't own any of those discs, but I've heard soundclips). It's mostly based around Fripp's Soundscapes style, while the band adds noisier machinations in and around the groove. The track has a much looser, improvisational feel than the rest of the album, and it doesn't quite grab me. I could've organized these thoughts better or gone into more painstaking nuts-and-bolts detail, but, well, that would've require more effort, wouldn't it? ;) In any case, it seems that King Crimson is addressing their established fanbase, and not worrying about anyone else caring. I can't see this album converting *any* new Crimson fans, but the old guard will probably be pleased. As for me, I have mixed feelings, and miss the distinctive talents of Levin and Bruford. Oh, and the "KC" puns in the song titles? Tacky, very tacky. Ebscale(tm): a weak 14/20. As far as this year's releases go, rank this one level with the Lambchop album. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:46:19 -0700 From: "craig brown" Subject: Re: satellite dub - new music I've been a fan of robyn and the soft boys for about 8 years now and just thought some people on the list might like my music - I didn't mean to annoy people. If I have - I'm sorry. Thanks - Craig - -----Original Message----- From: fartachu To: craig brown ; fegmaniax@smoe.org Date: Thursday, April 13, 2000 6:10 PM Subject: Re: satellite dub - new music >when we last left our heroes, craig brown exclaimed: > >>Are you interested in hearing the music of Satellite Dub for free? A recent >>demo was described by Future Music magazine as "absolutely spot on". > >although this may be an odd question, considering the far-reaching nature >of fegmaniax, what does this have to do with robyn hitchcock? what do you >have to do with robyn hitchcock? why do you think we would care about your >music? > >generally speaking, subscribers who are also musicians wait a little while >before they hype -- or even mention -- their musical efforst. looks like >you've broken all previous records by doing so a mere 50 minutes after you >subscribed! > >woj > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:16:44 -0400 From: mad Subject: Re: King Crimson/The ConstruKCtion of Light Thanks Eb for the review. Quite informative. I'll have to pass it on to my non-list proggie friends. Tony Levin and the California Guitar Trio are now touring. You can visit the website for specific dates: http://www.cgtrio.com/yamanews.htm#tour s. Mary np - Sylvian & Fripp - The First Day ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:12:26 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: Elian.... On Thu, 13 Apr 2000, tanter wrote: > Is anyone else as frustrated about this as I am? I don't understand what the > deal is with our gov't--this boy is being held, virtually kidnapped, and It is kidnapping, period. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:31:23 EDT From: "brian nupp" Subject: Re: Elian.... >From: "Capitalism Blows" >Reply-To: "Capitalism Blows" >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Elian.... >Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:12:48 PDT > > i'm just some guy with a lot of opinions and a >VERY big >mouth. Everyone in Ferndale, MI knows that! But that guy deserved it! > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:42:23 EDT From: "brian nupp" Subject: Re: King Crimson/The ConstruKCtion of Light Tony and the boys are playing tonight in Ferndale at the magic bag. Show starts at 8. My girlfriend is coming in from Chicago at 9, so I doubt I'll go. Man, I bet that's a good show! Brian >From: mad >Reply-To: mad >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Re: King Crimson/The ConstruKCtion of Light >Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:16:44 -0400 > > >Thanks Eb for the review. Quite informative. I'll have to pass it >on to my non-list proggie friends. > >Tony Levin and the California Guitar Trio are now touring. >You can visit the website for specific dates: > >http://www.cgtrio.com/yamanews.htm#tour > >s. Mary > >np - Sylvian & Fripp - The First Day > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:57:14 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Elian.... http://www.salon.com/news/special/elian/ - - Steve __________ Iąd sit down and meditate but my ass is on fire. - Bill Nelson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:57:17 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Elian.... Miles Goosens: >Not that I was hepped up about voting for Al Gore in November (the old >lesser of evils approach taken to a real extreme in this election!), his >cowardly stance on this pretty much ensures that I'm voting for Ralph >Nader. If George W. Bush wins by one vote, I'll feel bad, but them's the >breaks. Not that Miles needs my advise, but this is interesting: http://www.salon.com/politics2000/selectsmart/form.html - - Steve __________ Iąd sit down and meditate but my ass is on fire. - Bill Nelson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:30:34 -0800 From: Jason Thornton Subject: until the end of the all over the world At 05:27 PM 4/14/00 +1200, digja611@student.otago.ac.nz wrote: >still nothing compared to the music for "Until the End of the World". >Man... great soundtrack! "Until the End of the World" is quite definitely a terrific soundtrack album, but I can't think of any scene in the film itself that would qualify as demonstrating a great use of music *IN* a movie. "Goodfellas," for instance, would be a far better example of the strong use of music in film by moviemakers (most Scorsese flicks would be). But, if you're comparing soundtrack albums, collections of songs removed from the context of the films, then "Until the End of the World," in my opinion, is a far stronger compilation than say the "Goodfellas" soundtrack. >Oh, and since we're still in the middle of the first series of the Sopranos >in NZ, can I ask for you to warn if there are any spoilers? Myself, I'm still HBO-less and thus I've never yet seen a single episode of the show. I'll probably have to wait ten years until it becomes syndicated and heavily censored reruns end up on Comedy Central or something. - --Jason "as far back as I can remember, I always wanted to be a gangster" Thornton "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:12:49 -0400 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: Elian.... On 13.04.00 23:02, Miles Goosens wrote: > At 10:02 PM 04/13/2000 -0500, tanter wrote: >> Is anyone else as frustrated about this as I am? > > Yes. Why would we want to send him back to Cuba? I mean, aside from the tip-top free health care system, the 100% literacy rate and a lower infant mortality rate than most western countries, what has Cuba ever done for its people? The return to Cuba would only be temporary. If Elian is even halfway decent with a glove or bat, he'll be back in the USofA in 15 years anyway! Send the kid back and lift the freakin' embargo! It would be nice to legally smoke a Cuban cee-gar at my bachelor party. Cheers! - -g- "Half the world's starving and half the world bloats, half the world sits on the other and gloats." - --Robyn Hitchcock +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:27:35 -0800 From: Jason Thornton Subject: Re: Elian.... At 02:12 PM 4/14/00 -0400, Glen Uber wrote: >Send the kid back and lift the freakin' embargo! It would be nice to legally >smoke a Cuban cee-gar at my bachelor party. Cuba, of course, is an evil totalitarian Communist state, the government of which constantly violates the basic rights of its people, thus the need for the embargo. We gotta teach 'em what's what by further oppressing the Cuban people economically. Sorry, but for your bachelor party you'll have to settle for cigars made in China instead. - --Jason "Castro ain't Cuba" Thornton "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #96 ******************************