From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #91 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, April 9 2000 Volume 09 : Number 091 Today's Subjects: ----------------- other bands [DDerosa5@aol.com] Re: RIP and other alarums [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz] and the entire record industry skids to a breathless halt... ;) [Eb ] Subject: Re: sanfran fegs alert! {no robyn} ["she.rex" ] New Zoo Review [BLATZMAN@aol.com] satan pukes on the would-be sorority girls [BLATZMAN@aol.com] various things ["chris browning" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:20:17 EDT From: DDerosa5@aol.com Subject: other bands Hey, I have the chance to see Bright Eyes tomorrow night, and the Loud Family later this week. But, I only have enough money to see one of them. I was assuming I'd go to the latter, but have heard good things about the former--anyone dare to compare? dave NP, on shuffle mode: Star for Bram, Gorky's Zygotic Mynci "Spanish Dance Troupe", Beulah "when your heartstrings break", Grifters "Full Blown possession", and the Folk Implosion "One part lullabye" All bought in the last three weeks, which is why I can't afford live music, much ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 10:34:34 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz Subject: Re: RIP and other alarums And while we were all discussing the Moors Murderers and the Krays, elder brother Charlie Kray passed away on our Robyn's beloved Isle of Wight. He was, of course, serving ten years as a governmental tenant at the time... >>Hoookay. Who the fuck is Mike Love? And will I care even >>less after someone informs me? > >He's the guy who invented the system of tennis scoring that's >still in use today. Naturally, he named the "zero" after himself... It is also worth mentioning that the tennis court is technically a tennis Court', named after his nickname for his daughter Courtney. Oh, and Chris, thanks for that wondrous and enlightening post on the origins of Quail day. I, of course, celebrated by constructing a traditional Quailroarer - a 18 inch length of wood to which a twine is attached. The other end of the twine is tied around a quail, which is then swung violently around like a bolas. The 'roar' is actually more of a high pitched cheeping, modulated, of course, by a doppler shift when the quail's circular orbit attains high speed. I believe this device was used by the followers of Tlalopochtemoc and Ixitlachtli throughout the Yucatan. James (who also doesn't see what's wrong with "If I were a carpenter" - I love that great, slightly ill version of "Star", which it should be, when you consider that the lyrics are a little less wholesome than you'd expect from the Carpenters. I say, is this the longest parenthetical postscript that anyone has put after their signature on this list? Probably not. Ah well) PS - there is apparently an up and coming NZ trance/dance act called "Ebb". Just thought you'd like to know that they can't spell. James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:47:19 -0700 From: Eb Subject: and the entire record industry skids to a breathless halt... ;) *Important Robyn-related News* On May 9th, Varese Vintage will issue the first Claudine Longet anthology in the States. Don't miss out on this landmark release! At long last, you can hear the artist whose unlikely success inspired her label to sign the similarly eccentric Robyn Hitchcock, 18 years later. ;) The funniest thing, which some of you know already: The marketing department's one-sheet for the disc cites my CL site as one of the album's five "Selling Points," boasting that the site "constantly receives fans in search of the latest Claudine news and upcoming appearances." Suuuuure. If anyone wants to smirk at the one-sheet, email me and I'll send you a scan (113K). Eb, wondering whether his URL will be included in the CD booklet PS Got the new Of Montreal and Lou Reed albums today...yum! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 18:51:32 -0400 From: "J. Katherine Rossner" Subject: Re: ebb At 10:34 AM 4/8/00 +1200, digja611@student.otago.ac.nz wrote: >PS - there is apparently an up and coming NZ trance/dance act called "Ebb". >Just thought you'd like to know that they can't spell. The Rorschach researchers (say that three times fast!) can spell better: the various scorings include EB and eb (as well EBper). Katherine, trying to write up a Rorschach report - -- Ye knowe ek, that in forme of speche is chaunge Withinne a thousand yere, and wordes tho That hadden pris, now wonder nyce and straunge Us thinketh hem, and yit they spake hem so. - Chaucer, "Troilus and Criseyde" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 21:17:16 -0400 From: "she.rex" Subject: Subject: Re: sanfran fegs alert! {no robyn} Hi, Randi! I've been to the San Diego Zoo. It's really nice - one of the first to have the animals in natural habitats rather than just in cages. It's also a botanical garden with some age behind it so some specimens are large and well grown. Balboa Park (the zoo is inside it) has art museums and a carousel & gardens as well as beautiful architecture. Different areas are free on different days. I've also been to Quail Botanical Garden, which is beautiful and not too expensive if I recall correctly. Not too likely to be real crowded, either. But the really great garden in SoCal (IMHO) is Huntington Botanical Garden in Santa Monica (practically in L.A.). Real big and real gorgeous. There is also a small art museum. Not cheap but worth it. In NoCal if you have no time to see the giant sequoias in Redwood National Forest, try Muir Woods, which is beautiful & not far from San Fran. Also Golden Gate Park, with its lovely aquarium. These could both be seen in the same day. Napa Valley and Sonoma & Alexandria valleys are the wine areas & are north of San Fran. If you see these, there's no point going to wine country in the South - it doesn't hold a candle to them. Mondavi is one of the nicest - last time we were there they had just harvested a few rows of grapes & they allowed us four to go down those rows and pick whatever we wanted and take it home. Our pictures look like a Bacchanalia (sp?)! If you can take a balloon ride, that would be ultimately cool, but these are mega-expensive, take off before dawn & are dependent on weather conditions. Still, it's a once in a lifetime thing. I'm still hoping... Carmel is a very picturesque town to see - more so than Monterey if you only have time for one. The drive south from San Fran is to die for and Point Lobos Park is great. Hearst Castle is one of the few palaces on the continent, if you like that sort of thing. These are my recommendations. Someone may have said some of this already - hope something in here is new and usable. California is my favorite state - I'd move there in a heartbeat! Have a terrific time! She.Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 18:19:08 -0400 From: Michael Hooker Subject: off topic, e mail question hi, sorry to be off topic,but i know well the wealth of knowledge here. i am getting a DSL line( hopefully) which will mean a change of email address. is there a way way of having all mail sent to my present e mail address directed to my new address, at least until people get the hang of the change? one person told me that my present ISP's mail server could auto forward mail to the new address, but didnt really know for sure. i'd prefer another option, as that would mean paying for 2 ISP's, at least for a while. all help is appreciated. thanks, Mike Hooker ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 11:44:30 EDT From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Subject: New Zoo Review My wife used to be a docent at the LA zoo, and she always LOVED the Wild Animal Park in San Diego. If I remember, the San Fran zoo is a bit disappointing. If you're going to Montery, don't forget to take a walk around Point Lobos, just south of Carmel I believe. WELL WORTH IT!!!!!!(and very close) Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 12:08:19 EDT From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Subject: satan pukes on the would-be sorority girls After my delicate sensibilities were damaged by the advertising bashing, I have come to understand the nature of this list better, and will try not to be so fragile. I just know that advertising is a necessary part of our great economy, and I am proud of my work. But then, I realized that the true main reason I stopped participating in this list is that I think the last 2 studio albums have been total crap. Jewels, for me, is really a lab-made stone that still needs polishing. YUCK!!! It really needs focus. The Cheese Alram might have been good, but it's a whole minute before you get to the real song and that minute is a waste of my time. And Nasa Clapping sounds like a bad attempt to sound "hip". If we were still in the mid nineties, I mean. And Moss... What up with that? Half the versions on the LP are better than the CD! It actually could have been a better release if it was shorter, and half the songs were swapped out. (I'll take quality over quantity anyday) I guess I feel that Robyn needs a band. He needs the unity and guidance of a band and a strong producer. I don't buy in to the garbage of "this is Robyn, this is what he intended for us to hear" I don't think an artist is the best judge of things. Skylarking is still my favorite XTC album, and I really think I have Todd Rundgren to thank for that. And I really don't care if Andy's delicate sensibilities were hurt in the making of what is a truly incredible album. And this new album has a really wierd sensibility to it. On Respect, there was a maturity that seemed to flow effortlessly. On Jewels, it seems to me that Robyn is TRYING to sound clever rather that actually being clever. I don't hear heartache, I don't hear joy, I hear a flat wall of noise. He should have pulled a Cheryl Crow and scrapped the entire album, and gone back to the drawing board. I wouldn't mind hearing Jewels in 20 years as an example of an artist who realized he could do better, and insisted on trying. get a band! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:26:04 +0100 From: "chris browning" Subject: various things hello people i am fairly new on this list (a week lurking in the background) though i was a member for a while at uni, after a life changing robyn gig at leicester (both the best concert i have ever seen and the worst - because i missed the train back and had to walk back to loughborough, which is not fun), but since then, have drifted somewhat. first an admission, i haven't got either "jewels" or "star for bram" - YET! i will, just that i have only recently come out of long term redundancy and so have had to be immensely picky and choosey in what i can afford to buy. but i have to defend "moss elixir" from BLATZMAN's comments. sorry, this was my first robyn album proper - i had taped perspex island because of the REM link while a fresher and thought it underwhelming to say the least.fairly humdrum jangly pop as far as i could see, but "moss" when i bought it a year later was an absolute revelation. it was just - gorgeous! amazing stuff! i was just amazed by it's diverse genius. i had given it a go because i had taped a session on the mark radcliffe show (i should still have a copy if anyone is interested - sings "grandad's glasses" with john hegley who was the guest that night. great stuff. calls it their "beautiful south" number which still gets me every time) and raced out and bought it and loved it. since then i have whizzed through soft boys and a lot of robyn solo (not all, i hate to think of running out of music so try and pace myself) and have loved it all apart from still "perspex" and that "groovy/gravy" nonsense which i still don;t get. "moss..." was my first experience of what robyn was about - the solo acoustic numbers, the violin, the homer stuff, the whole thing is an album that has absolutely made an imprint on my consciousness, and remains a constant favourite. i think the XTC comparison doesn;t really hold either - "skylarking" is their most cohesive set, but i don't think it's their best by any means. andy partridge can be indulged (say hello "big express" bits of "oranges and lemons"), but listen to the demos of "apple venus" and the real thing and they are almost the same. andy's creative genius in excelsis. and "apple venus" is in my mind - and bear in mind XTC are my favoruite band ever - one of the most extraordinary albums i have ever heard. sure it;'s nice to have the full blown pop sheen of something like "skylarking" but i would compare that to something like "respect" which is fun, and great and my favourite egyptians album, but appeals to me nowhere near as much as robyn's greates - "underwater...", "i often dream of..." even "moss.." the thing i am saying - veyr badly, i am very sorry by the way - is that what appeals to me with robyn is that he is so multi-faceted. i think what you;re saying is you don;t really care for certain facets of his stuff compared to others. i haven;t heard "jewels" yet, but i will soon, but i hope it is just another move forward. xtc did that too, with their most recent stuff, and "wasp star" promising to be an even more radical step forward still.=20 sorry for rambling. hope i haven;t annoyed people. you all seem really nice. just had to defend "moss" has brought me hours of pleasure since it;s release i'll shut up now crisp ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #91 ******************************