From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #86 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, April 3 2000 Volume 09 : Number 086 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Selling Out (not a troll, honest!) [overbury@cn.ca] Re: Capitalist Stooge [overbury@cn.ca] Re: Selling Out (not a troll, honest!) [Capuchin ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #82 [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz] Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #82 [overbury@cn.ca] Re: Capitalist Stooge [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz] Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #84 [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz] Re: Coca-Cola (was, like, a: Virgin) ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Capitalist Stooge ["matt sewell" ] Re: Capitalist Stooge [Terrence Marks ] Re: robyn news [fartachu ] Re: Coca-Cola (was, like, a: Virgin) [Marcy Tanter ] Re: Infidel powers [Michael R Godwin ] A veritable Cornucopea! ["matt sewell" ] Coke slavery and more! [Christopher Gross ] Rew's new album ["brian nupp" ] Re: Capitalist Stooge [Tom Clark ] Re: Coke slavery and more! [lj lindhurst ] Re: A veritable Cornucopea! [Tom Clark ] Re: cdnow [Tom Clark ] Re: Coke slavery and more! [Eric Loehr ] Re: cdnow [Capuchin ] Re: cdnow [Tom Clark ] Re: Capitalist Stooge [Jeff Dwarf ] Tampon ad ["Sinclair Abdul" ] Re: Tampon ad ["JH3" ] re: selling out / kimberley "coolwhip" rew [Ken Ostrander >It has a reputation for being > >everything except a Hitchcock list, which is why I lurk and lurk and lurk, > >and along with many others, wonder why I'm even here. > > Hot damn! We got a *rep*! Yeah, when I read that I couldn't help but wonder -- with whom? - -- "I yam what I yam" - Plato (or was that Bluto?) - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 20:01:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Selling Out (not a troll, honest!) On Sun, 2 Apr 2000 overbury@cn.ca wrote: > What about Kimberley Rew? > > I was waiting for somebody else to bring up his name. > Am I the only one who found "Walking on Sunshine" to > be a bowlful of Cool Whip? Am I the only one who > subsequently checked out other Katrina and the Waves > music hoping to find something more substantial only > to discover an entire tub of Cool Whip? > > Should I even bother checking out Kimberley Rew's new solo > material? It's not like Kim is falling from any high plateau. I mean, he's ALWAYS been making Cool Whip. He just plays guitar for Robyn. J. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:57:17 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #82 >NP: The Who, but I was just listening to some old Rod Stewart. >I've read this from some critic in the past, but the thought just >wouldn't leave me alone this afternoon: has anybody else ever >sold out so completely? Clapton? (Eric, that is, not Richard). I agree with Eb's comment though. Compare A Different Light to All Over the Place to see just how sudden and complete the Bqangles' reversal came about. Sadly, I'll have to include Genesis in this roll-call, too, too. Peter Gabriel should go back and whack the others round the chops (except that he's been on the downward path himself for the last few years). BTW, I take it from your ambiguous statement that you are referring to the Rodster selling out, rather than listening to "The Who Sell Out"! Moremusicmoremusicmoremusic... James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 00:11:19 -0400 From: overbury@cn.ca Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #82 Dig: > BTW, I take it from your ambiguous statement that you are referring to the > Rodster selling out, rather than listening to "The Who Sell Out"! I only make one type of statement, James. - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:32:13 +1200 (NZST) From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz Subject: Re: Capitalist Stooge >>I'm really not interested in hearing about other people's economic and >social >>philosophies, but I forgot which list I'm on. > >the list is what the list is. fegmaniax has evolved into a place where fans >of robyn hang out and talk about what's on their mind. as you note, that >covers a lot of territory, but robyn's always at the center of the vortex. >that's just the way it is, dave, and, frankly, i like it that way. I tell ya, he's right. For many years now - longer even that I've been on email, I';ve been a member of an APA. What, you may ask, is that? Well, it's an amateur press association. They exist throughout science fiction fandom, although their heyday is sadly loing gone. The one I'm on was put together by a bunch of science fiction fans about twenty years ago. In it, people write their own fanzines, send them to an official editor who collates one copy of each fanzine and sends it back to all the apa members. So what, I hear you ask? Well, this is a science fiction club apa, and in the last ten years, there have been about five science fiction short stories, a couple of handfuls of science fiction book reviews, and the reports from about ten conventions. Other than that, there have been about 5000 pages which relate not at all to science fiction. My latest contrrib (ie fanzine) will include a fifteen page journal of my recent trip round the nNorth Island, some CD reviews, the history of the Irish national flag, and a whole bunch of non-sf material. This list has developed into the same beast - one that, despite paying lip service to its point of origin, is more to do with the interests of people who have Robyn as their sole original point of intersection. Sure, if Robyn does something newsworthy, it'll be all over Fegmaniax in a flash, but I've known mailinbg lists that relate only to news of their central topic, and they are deathly dull and usually very, very quiet. This list has life, it has fun, and great friendhips have been forged on it. This list is family. If you don't believe me, read the drunken ramblings of a certain coturnix, recently published herein. James, who loves y'all. James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 17:46:45 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #84 > sorry - I cannot find the original source for this statement in Fegmaniax, so I'm not sure - is the writer talking about Levi Strauss or Macdonalds? Those would probably be the top two with...hmmm... American Express (does this count as a 'brand'?), Microsoft, Coca Cola, and possibly Volkswagen not too far behind. FWIW, Britain's top would probably be Rolls Royce, and NZ's would be, um... er... Canterbury Sportswear (unless you count the ubiquitous All Black silver fern)??? Probably ranks in the world's top 50,000 somewhere... James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 09:39:52 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Coca-Cola (was, like, a: Virgin) MARKEEFE@aol.com wrote: > > but that a nice, tall, cool and "refreshing" Coca-Cola would hit the spot :-) N American and Canadian Coke tastes weird. Guess you folks are beholden to the Corn Syrup Lobby, so most of the sugars in your drinks are corn-derived. Ours is real, honest sugar, so it has a slightly less oily taste. Still, I like living in a country where Coke is the #3 soft drink. Irn Bru rocks; it'll always be my #1. And it's less corrosive than Coke, since it didn't ruin a wonderful IBM keyboard I accidentally dropped it on. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 09:42:59 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: robyn news fartachu wrote: > > ... other english dates grr -- don't you dare count Glasgow as an English date! > the mitchell theatre (glasgow, may 13). Can this be right? The Mitchell is a sedate little theatre usually populated by amateur dramatic groups. It backs onto one of Europe's largest public libraries, which must count for something. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 13:05:33 BST From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: Capitalist Stooge >This Capitalist Stooge is veeeeeeeeeeeeery bored with this discusion. And >as >a writer/editor of television commercials that air all over the country (I >am >positive that some of you have seen my work), I take offense to advertising >bashing. > >I'm really not interested in hearing about other people's economic and >social >philosophies, but I forgot which list I'm on. It has a reputation for >being >everything except a Hitchcock list, which is why I lurk and lurk and lurk, >and along with many others, wonder why I'm even here. You take offense to advertising bashing?! I'm sorry, I can't believe that... it's gotta be in the same league as Hitler bashing or arms-dealer bashing! Advertising is probably the root cause for much of the world's unhappiness, uncharitableness and covetousness... It teaches people to want more, to care less about others, more about themselves, teaches people to waste resources without caring, tries to teach people that they can be something they aspire to with purely purchasing power, tries to teach people that they *are* their possessions, and are judged accordingly. Also, it is the apologist for corporate crime (making big companies, money-worshipping cabals, into caring people behind *you*, making *you* the person *you* want to be). Tell, me, please, what piece of good does it do - does it *ever* do or ever has, because I seem to have missed it... We've all got jobs to do (well most people are sucked down the plughole of wage-slavery in our workaholic, WASP work ethic culture), sure, each of us workers making money for someone already obscenely wealthy ("kiss ass while you bitch so you can get rich while your boss gets richer off you" as the line goes). To defend this as anything but terrible is folly, surely? Anyway, if you are *that* committed to advertising, if you're that far down that smoky, sulphurous road, then I believe Bill Hicks has some advice for you... As for your complaint about the non-Hitchcock content on this fine list of interesting and informed people who *do* actually have a little more to say than endless praise for a quirky (albeit godlike genius) singer-songwriter... well, plenty of other lists on the web... Matt ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 08:50:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: Capitalist Stooge On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, matt sewell wrote: > Advertising is probably the root cause for much of the world's unhappiness, > uncharitableness and covetousness... Eddie sez: >advertising, while it's not probably as pernicious as military spending, >is nothing less than complete waste. Can't you guys at least get your ad-bashing coordinated? Pick one, dudes. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 08:55:27 -0400 From: fartachu Subject: Re: robyn news >> ... other english dates > >grr -- don't you dare count Glasgow as an English date! och! wa' was me wee brain thinkin'? >> the mitchell theatre (glasgow, may 13). > >Can this be right? The Mitchell is a sedate little theatre usually >populated by amateur dramatic groups. It backs onto one of Europe's >largest public libraries, which must count for something. hmmmm...yo la tengo has been requesting sit-down shows lately, so perhaps they are just forcing the issue here. +w ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 08:59:06 -0700 From: Marcy Tanter Subject: Re: Coca-Cola (was, like, a: Virgin) At 09:39 AM 4/3/2000 +0100, you wrote: >MARKEEFE@aol.com wrote: >> >> but that a nice, tall, cool and "refreshing" Coca-Cola would hit the spot :-) > >N American and Canadian Coke tastes weird. Guess you folks are beholden >to the Corn Syrup Lobby, so most of the sugars in your drinks are >corn-derived. Ours is real, honest sugar, so it has a slightly less oily >taste. You have got to be joking. British sodas are usually pretty disgusting--full of sugar, saccharine and aspartame often all at once. Yuck. British coke is sweeter and less fizzy than our stuff. I've spent about 10 yrs in the UK, I drink way too much US Coke and I can't bear the British stuff. I called the company about it and they swear they're exactly the same but we all know they're not. British Coke may not have the saccharine and aspartame but it doesn't taste right--and the difference isn't the type of sugar, it's got to be the mix of sugar, caramel, caffeine and fizz. Dr. Marcy Tanter Department of English and Languages Box T-0300 Tarleton State University Stephenville, TX 76401 phone/voicemail: 254 968-9892 "He has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating it's [sic] most sacred rights of life and liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither. This piratical warfare, the opprobium of INFIDEL powers, is the warfare of the CHRISTIAN king of Great Britain. Determined to keep open a market where MEN should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this execrable commerce." - --Thomas Jefferson, rough draft of The Declaration of Independence, 1776 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:08:45 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Infidel powers On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Marcy Tanter wrote: > This piratical warfare, the opprobium of INFIDEL powers, is the warfare of > the CHRISTIAN king of Great Britain. Determined to keep open a market > where MEN should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for > suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this > execrable commerce." > > --Thomas Jefferson, rough draft of The Declaration of Independence, 1776 This is Jefferson the slave owner, right? Did the American aristocracy have split personalities in those days? :) - - Mike Godwin PS Come to that, how could you prostitute a negative in the days before Friese-Greene and Daguerre? n.p. KC & the Sunshine Band in an attempt to ward off the April snow(!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 16:53:49 BST From: "matt sewell" Subject: A veritable Cornucopea! Anyone else catch any of the Cornucopea festival at the south bank centre at the weekend? For those of you with no Julian Cope interest, look away now. I only made it to day 1, so I missed Ash Ra Tempel's first ever UK gig, and the full band Cope experience...bah! Still, day one was well worth it. Arrived about 7ish for Anal in the foyer (the evening took place in the QE hall, the Purcell room and the foyer between the two)... very erm, ambient, though a little like an ambient interpretation of the Kosovo war... Checked out the world's smallest disco - yup, small, uh huh, a real disco complete with DJ... Decided not to enter the Krautrock colouring competition, as the table was congested with graphic designers (one of whom eventually won). Next up was Copey's solo set. He was wearing some sort of wrap around blouse and leggings bottomed off with knee length biker boots with platforms about 5.5 to 6 inches high... A great deal of talking ensued - he seemed totally gleeful at being on stage! The songs? Well, as I remember he did a new song about the queen, diana and Courney Love, and lots of old songs like Sunspots, The Great Dominions (on mellotron) and a personal favourite, Upwards At 45 Degrees. Next was a choice of either the Groundhogs or Skywray, neither of which were particularly inspiring, followed by Copey's 60min glambient tribute to Diana, performed by Queen Elizabeth II (ie. Copey + 3x Thighpaulsandras). Awesome - I meditated right the way through it - it really took me places (they have a great soundsystem in the QE hall). Final treat was Julian's brand new false-metal band Braindonor - this was so much fun, the whole band with full-on make up and double necked guitars, playing a Cope-filtered MC5 / Stooges / Blue Cheer metal set. Wonderful. A great time had by all! Cheers Matt ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:31:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Coke slavery and more! The question of American vs. British Coke reminds me of a little-known fact: The Coca-Cola Corporation of America actually changes the formula of Coke fairly often, and no one seems to notice. If only they hadn't publicized it, we'd probably be drinking New Coke today. On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Michael R Godwin wrote: > > This piratical warfare, the opprobium of INFIDEL powers, is the warfare of > > the CHRISTIAN king of Great Britain. Determined to keep open a market > > where MEN should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for > > suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this > > execrable commerce." > > > > --Thomas Jefferson, rough draft of The Declaration of Independence, 1776 > > This is Jefferson the slave owner, right? Did the American aristocracy > have split personalities in those days? :) Well, of course! I've always thought that this somewhat strained attempt to blame the King for the slave trade showed that slaveowners (or at least TJ) realized, deep down inside, that slavery was wrong. Hence their desire to blame it on someone else. Another interpretation is that he was writing about the trans-Atlantic slave *trade* rather than slavery itself. There were plenty of people who believed in slavery but opposed that one particularly horrible part of it, the slave trade. (Note that Britain, the US, and other countries banned the slave trade decades before they banned slavery itself.) And of course all defenders of slavery were prime case studies of doublethink: "our slaves are loyal and happy, and if we free them they'll slaughter us;" "the bond between us and our slaves is a family bond, and we'll buy and sell them like furniture;" "they love their work, and they won't do it without the threat of the lash;" etc. Split personalities galore. Meanwhile, the prostituted negative was of course the King's veto power. Always happy to sound off about history, Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 12:50:41 EDT From: "brian nupp" Subject: Rew's new album It's definately not cool whip. But then it's got Andy M., Glenn Tilbrook and RH featured on it which is enough for me to buy it. I wasn't disappointed with the cd, but I was hoping for something a little more complicated. It's pretty raw, and I'll probably like it more later because of that. It may have to grow on me. I don't have the cd infront of me, so I can't do a track by track, but there are some good tunes on there. one of the songs really reminds me of bob dylan, that's a really good one! If you liked Bible of Bop, you'll probably like this cd. It's not like Katrina and the waves, really. Brian the Nupp >From: overbury@cn.ca >Reply-To: overbury@cn.ca >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Selling Out (not a troll, honest!) >Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:26:59 -0400 > >What about Kimberley Rew? > >I was waiting for somebody else to bring up his name. >Am I the only one who found "Walking on Sunshine" to >be a bowlful of Cool Whip? Am I the only one who >subsequently checked out other Katrina and the Waves >music hoping to find something more substantial only >to discover an entire tub of Cool Whip? > >Should I even bother checking out Kimberley Rew's new solo >material? > >-- >Ross Overbury >Montreal, Quebec, Canada > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:21:30 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Capitalist Stooge On 4/3/2000 5:05 AM, matt sewell wrote: >>This Capitalist Stooge is veeeeeeeeeeeeery bored with this discusion. And >>as >>a writer/editor of television commercials that air all over the country (I >>am >>positive that some of you have seen my work), I take offense to advertising >>bashing. >> >>I'm really not interested in hearing about other people's economic and >>social >>philosophies, but I forgot which list I'm on. It has a reputation for >>being >>everything except a Hitchcock list, which is why I lurk and lurk and lurk, >>and along with many others, wonder why I'm even here. > > >You take offense to advertising bashing?! >I'm sorry, I can't believe that... it's gotta be in the same league as >Hitler bashing or arms-dealer bashing! BING BING BING!!! We have a winner, folks!! This discussion has just fallen under Godwin's Law, which of course, means it's over. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:29:23 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: Coke slavery and more! >The question of American vs. British Coke reminds me of a little-known >fact: The Coca-Cola Corporation of America actually changes the formula of >Coke fairly often, and no one seems to notice. If only they hadn't >publicized it, we'd probably be drinking New Coke today. Yes, I remember when they switched over to Slurm back in '96. ******************************** LJ Lindhurst White Rabbit Graphic Design http://www.w-rabbit.com NYC ljl@w-rabbit.com ******************************** "If I find a coin on the ground I PICK UP Regardless of its later Dispositions." --Yukio Murakami ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:27:33 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: A veritable Cornucopea! On 4/3/2000 8:53 AM, matt sewell wrote: >Still, day one was well worth it. Arrived about 7ish for Anal in the foyer Now this has got to be one of the strangest things I've ever read on this list! The Cope show sounded awesome, but I would've passed on the buggery. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:43:08 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: cdnow On 3/31/2000 5:23 PM, Capuchin wrote: >Talk to me when Amazon (by FAR the biggest online retailer) turns a >profit. Bezos has publicly stated that their book business will be profitable this year. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 15:49:16 -0400 From: Eric Loehr Subject: Re: Coke slavery and more! At 12:31 PM 4/3/00 -0400, Christopher Gross wrote: > >The question of American vs. British Coke reminds me of a little-known >fact: The Coca-Cola Corporation of America actually changes the formula of >Coke fairly often, and no one seems to notice. If only they hadn't >publicized it, we'd probably be drinking New Coke today. While I don't doubt that the Coca-Cola Corportation changes the formula often, there's plenty of us who would've noticed the change, whether they told us about it or not -- New Coke tasted way too much like Pepsi to be drinkable. Eric Classic ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:51:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: cdnow On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Tom Clark wrote: > Bezos has publicly stated that their book business will be profitable > this year. Didn't you declare this conversation over twenty-two minutes before sending out this letter? Thank Godwin, J. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:06:55 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: cdnow On 4/3/2000 1:51 PM, Capuchin wrote: >On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Tom Clark wrote: >> Bezos has publicly stated that their book business will be profitable >> this year. > >Didn't you declare this conversation over twenty-two minutes before >sending out this letter? I was talking about the 'advertising bashing' tangent that reached Godwinian proportions faster than you can say "Fibonacci Sequence". I'd be happy to talk about e-tailing revenues! So I will: I bet Hitler never bought anything online! - -tc, who bought CDNow at $23 and sold it at $12 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:18:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Capitalist Stooge Terrence Marks wrote: > On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, matt sewell wrote: >> Advertising is probably the root cause for much of the world's >> unhappiness, uncharitableness and covetousness... > > Eddie sez: >> advertising, while it's not probably as pernicious as military >> spending, is nothing less than complete waste. > > Can't you guys at least get your ad-bashing coordinated? Pick one, > dudes. Anarchy can never be achieved if we organized needlessly... ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 22:26:12 GMT From: "Sinclair Abdul" Subject: Tampon ad Hello, my name is Sinclair and I have known of Robyn Hitchcock for some time now. Isn't he a talented musician? I think he's great. I recently quite my job as a washing machine repair man to become the director of advertising for a small but growing tampon company. It's great work. The reason I'm writing now is because I was wondering if anyone knew if Mr. Hitchcock would be interesting in doing a jingle for one of our commercials. We would be interested in licensing his song "The Unpleasant Stain," which is also the name of one of our new product lines. We feel making women more insecure about their bodies will sell more product. Any help would be greatly appreceiated and compensated. Best Regards Sinclair Abdul ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:46:21 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: Tampon ad >...I recently quite >my job as a washing machine repair man to become the director of advertising >for a small but growing tampon company. It's great work. The reason I'm >writing now is because I was wondering if anyone knew if Mr. Hitchcock would >be interesting in doing a jingle for one of our commercials. Y'know, this really had me going until I realized that nobody in their right mind would ever DREAM of leaving a perfectly good job as a washing-machine repairman to go into a miserable field like advertising. >We would be >interested in licensing his song "The Unpleasant Stain," which is also the >name of one of our new product lines. We feel making women more insecure >about their bodies will sell more product. And that's another giveaway. Tampons are *supposed* to be stained! That's the whole point. You stain the tampon so that the rest of the stuff you're wearing WON'T be. Uh, not that *I* would know or anything... JH3 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 18:53:02 -0400 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: re: selling out / kimberley "coolwhip" rew >definition of pop art >The definition read something like: fine art conceived and produced >under the aesthetic of commercial art. it seems like whenever art becomes a commodity, it loses something. in the words of senator billington j bulworth, "the money just seems to ruin it." professionalism is a dirty word to my ears. it has a hollow and self-righteous ring to it. of course, we all have to whore ourselves out to survive; but when everything around us from coffee to music becomes fodder for a consumerist culture, it's difficult to separate out what is valuable. >I take offense to advertising bashing. i have a love/hate relationship with commercials. they are at best entertainment and at their usual worst maddeningly formulaic sales pitches. some companies have consistantly interesting ads; but many more are just plain insulting. i think it might be fun to be envolved in the creative process surrounding advertising; but then i think of 'how to get ahead in advertising'. tell us what you've done blatzman. > NP: The Who, but I was just listening to some old Rod Stewart. > I've read this from some critic in the past, but the thought just > wouldn't leave me alone this afternoon: has anybody else ever > sold out so completely? i'm always confused by the term "sell out". it's thrown around quite a bit and means different things to different people. i think it has to refer to some previous stance that someone seemed to have which was changed when they started making money. just where do they cross the line? is it when they sign the record contract or when they get their cover story on rolling stone? it's not that easy. if they buy into the system, becoming "corporate stooges" then it becomes easier to tell; but there's still a lot of grey area. i think that when their 'art' starts to reflect some kind of compromise is when the sell out becomes apparent, when it seems like they're trying too hard or something. there can be good or bad pop music, with or without some profound message, and one can be a pompous artiste or a worldly wise veteren; but it all depends on individual perception. someone popular can lose their mass audience when they try to change their sound or experiment. on the other hand, an artist can go for years with a small, dedicated following and suddenly make it big, appearing to betray their old fans. sting made buttloads of cake with the police. lots of people think they sold out a long time ago. for me, when he started doing songs with brian adams and that rod stewart guy, i lost a lot of respect for the man. his music has gotten more and more bland over the last ten years or so. he still makes decent music; but the magic seems to be gone. it must be expensive heating that castle he lives in. u2 have managed to play with their success and make fun of the process; but their music has suffered as well. they are in a position where they are in control of their output; but it seems like that's not enough sometimes. their most recent work is not their best. in the same way, bowie has been able to play with his success and his image like no one else. of course, he has literally sold stock on himself; so there you have it. he still manages to be the chameleon. the rolling stones sold out a long time ago. around the time of 'get off my cloud' i estimate. of course, with varying results. their ninties output has its moments; but nothing compares to the string of albums from 'beggars banquet' to 'exile on main street'. madonna is an interesting example. she's been able to mold her image and control it to an amazing degree of success. she could be the touchstone for this discussion. she's not your typical pop icon. she's managed to make her music on her own terms. >What about Kimberley Rew? > >I was waiting for somebody else to bring up his name. >Am I the only one who found "Walking on Sunshine" to >be a bowlful of Cool Whip? Am I the only one who >subsequently checked out other Katrina and the Waves >music hoping to find something more substantial only >to discover an entire tub of Cool Whip? kimberley is, without a doubt, the most successful of any of the soft boys. he'll be making money off that song for the rest of his life. 'going down to liverpool' rises to the top of his coolwhip container. his new album is really good. there is some potential for a hit; but the fact that i had to go to several record stores to even find it makes me doubtful. i don't think there's a bad tune on the whole record. finely crafted pop tunes run into folky nuggets and there's quite a lot of variation. it is catchy stuff with an edge to it. i like the way he sings. 'alice klaar' is a great instrumental. isn't that what the album was supposed to be called? 'the truth' sounds a lot like robyn to me. 'simple pleasures' has the biggest single potential. 'rosemary jean' is funky folk. 'plas yn rhiw' is a nice countryish ballad. 'tart with the heart' is syrupy pop confectionary. 'heart of the sun' is too much. i've found that this album is catchy at first and then you start to notice the intricacies of the music with time. i think that i will still enjoy it a year from now; but wonder how often i'll pull it out. ken "just another log on the cosy flame of truth" the kenster ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #86 ******************************