From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #79 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, March 29 2000 Volume 09 : Number 079 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: yo la tengo ["JH3" ] LyricsMANIAX! [Bayard ] Re: yo la tengo [Jon Fetter ] VH1 Storytellers / Behind The Music [Glen Uber ] Re: yo la tengo [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: Crooks and murderers (0% RH) [Jeff Dwarf ] Suffer Little Feggies ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Whatever he has done, I have done ["JH3" ] High Fidelity [Michael Wolfe ] Re: VH1 Storytellers / Behind The Music [Eb ] lyrics [Bayard ] Re: yo la tengo [dmw ] More fun with name generators! [The Great Quail ] Fwd: tonite in pdx [jhaynes@lclark.edu] almodovar/a gripe about America-centric culture ["Marshall N Armintor" ] Re: More fun with name generators! [Tom Clark ] Re: America-centric culture [Eb ] Re: almodovar/a gripe about America-centric culture [Journeying Android S] Re: eb all over the world [Glen Uber ] Re: eb all over the world [Glen Uber ] Re: robyn news [Greg Mascioli ] "I got it! I got it! I got it! I ain't got it..." ["she.rex" <>] portland feggys/bright eyes ["Jeannine, Baby" ] eb's all over the world ["CORNHOLE ARMAGEDDON" ] Re: eb's all over the world [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:42:53 -0600 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: yo la tengo >I know I've heard of them, but who is yo la tengo? All I know is that the name is an anagram of "GNATLEY-OO?", which is what a person with a heavy Australian accent would say after receiving an unusual-looking tin-foil sculpture that had been delievered to the wrong address by mistake. John "it's hard to believe I'm not" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:35:18 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: LyricsMANIAX! Great news! There is now a listserv for the discussion, analysis and decryption of Robyn's lyrics! It's called lyricsmaniax and it's been kindly set up by woj and hosted by smoe. To sign up, send a message to lyricsmaniax-request@smoe.org with "subscribe" in the body. If used, it could very well be the only active on-topic Robyn listserv in the world! ;) This is a continuation of the project begun by the most worthy Jeme Brelin back in December '98. He single-handedly collected and corrected the lyrics to (almost) all of Robyn's releases. (I think Vivien did EYE and A STAR FOR BRAM.) From here on out we'll mostly be covering unreleased stuff, though there is a little mop-up to do of stuff that went through the cracks. A special bonus is you'll be able to retrieve free MP3's of unreleased songs so that you can listen along and help spot errors in the transcribed lyrics. What could be better? Sign up today! =b ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:20:19 -0500 From: Jon Fetter Subject: Re: yo la tengo "Yo la tengo" is Spanish for "I've got it," like in what two basball players say before they collide. I like "GNATLEY-OO" better, but reality rules. Juan >>I know I've heard of them, but who is yo la tengo? > > >All I know is that the name is an anagram of "GNATLEY-OO?", >which is what a person with a heavy Australian accent would >say after receiving an unusual-looking tin-foil sculpture that >had been delievered to the wrong address by mistake. > >John "it's hard to believe I'm not" Hedges __________________________________________________________________ "With the growth of boredom and restlessness, he saw, cruelty and subtlety and revolt were growing apace. There was more and more cosmic abnormality, more and more curious sadism, more and more ignorance and superstition, and more and more desire to escape out of physical life into a half-spectral state of electronic dispersal." --H.P. Lovecraft, "The Mound" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:32:41 -0800 From: Glen Uber Subject: VH1 Storytellers / Behind The Music Hey fegs, I propose we start a letter writing campaign to get Robyn featured on VH1's excellent programs, "Behind The Music" and "Storytellers". I would love to see a bunch of early Soft Boys clips on BTM and would be interested in knowing the stories behind some of the songs on ST. Even better would be the fact that Robyn has proven to be such a great story teller at his shows and in interviews, that he would make it an interesting and unique episode of ST. So, what do you think? Are you with me or are you against me? Also, what songs would you have Robyn perform and discuss on "Storytellers"? I also thought it would be cool to have a "Symphonic Hitchcock" album a la Metallica's "S & M" album. Which songs would adapt well to a symphonic treatment? Discuss amongst yourselves. - -glen "I'm glad Wednesday comes only once a week" the glenster "Half the world's starving and half the world bloats, half the world sits on the other and gloats." - --Robyn Hitchcock +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:25:21 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: yo la tengo In a message dated 3/29/00 9:18:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, bnupp@hotmail.com writes: << I know I've heard of them, but who is yo la tengo? >> I'm not an expert on Yo La Tengo and I'm not even all that wild about them, but maybe that makes me a good candidate for offering a good, non-gushing opinion. Basically, they're a New Jersey-based indie rock band (always been a trio?) that's been around since the mid- or late-80's. I think of their sound as being equal parts Velvet Underground (or maybe more like Galaxie 500/Luna) and Sonic Youth. They used to be way more into the kind of silly, noisey guitar noodlings that just make my skin crawl. Of late, they've mellowed considerably. To the point where I quite enjoy their new album. I'm not sure if there are enough hooks for me to get *really* into it, but I definitely like putting the CD on from time to time. There you have my Joe Sixpack summary of Yo La Tengo. Do with it what you will :-) - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:40:35 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Crooks and murderers (0% RH) JH3 wrote: > >I was astounded to discover that the participants on another > >list had never heard of Ian Brady and Myra Hindley. I thought > >I'd better check that fegs are better informed. > Surely anyone who's heard the Smiths' "Suffer Little Children" > would know who those two were. It must have been one of > those "Anti-Morrissey" lists that you hear about sometimes. > (Not many of them around anymore!) are their names in the song though? granted, i probably haven't listened to that song in 5-6 years, as it's my least favorite smithsong on my least favorite smithalbum, but i really don't recall the names being there (though i do know it's about a pretty infamous case of child murders). ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:02:09 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Suffer Little Feggies At 11:40 AM 3/29/00 -0800, Jeff Dwarf wrote: >JH3 wrote: > > >I was astounded to discover that the participants on another > > >list had never heard of Ian Brady and Myra Hindley. I thought > > >I'd better check that fegs are better informed. > > Surely anyone who's heard the Smiths' "Suffer Little Children" > > would know who those two were. It must have been one of > > those "Anti-Morrissey" lists that you hear about sometimes. > > (Not many of them around anymore!) > >are their names in the song though? granted, i probably haven't >listened to that song in 5-6 years, as it's my least favorite smithsong >on my least favorite smithalbum, but i really don't recall the names >being there (though i do know it's about a pretty infamous case of >child murders). Hindley is mentioned, I guess... "SUFFER LITTLE CHILDREN Over the moor, take me to the moor Dig a shallow grave And I'll lay me down Over the moor, take me to the moor Dig a shallow grave And I'll lay me down Lesley-Anne, with your pretty white beads Oh John, you'll never be a man And you'll never see your home again Oh Manchester, so much to answer for Edward, see those alluring lights ? Tonight will be your very last night A woman said : "I know my son is dead I'll never rest my hands on his sacred head" Hindley wakes and Hindley says : Hindley wakes, Hindley wakes, Hindley wakes, and says : "Oh, wherever he has gone, I have gone" But fresh lilaced moorland fields Cannot hide the stolid stench of death Fresh lilaced moorland fields Cannot hide the stolid stench of death Hindley wakes and says : Hindley wakes, Hindley wakes, Hindley wakes, and says : "Oh, whatever he has done, I have done" But this is no easy ride For a child cries : "Oh, find me ... find me, nothing more We are on a sullen misty moor We may be dead and we may be gone But we will be, we will be, we will be, right by your side Until the day you die This is no easy ride We will haunt you when you laugh Yes, you could say we're a team You might sleep You might sleep You might sleep BUT YOU WILL NEVER DREAM ! Oh, you might sleep BUT YOU WILL NEVER DREAM ! You might sleep BUT YOU WILL NEVER DREAM !" Oh Manchester, so much to answer for Oh Manchester, so much to answer for Oh, find me, find me ! Find me ! I'll haunt you when you laugh Oh, I'll haunt you when you laugh You might sleep BUT YOU WILL NEVER DREAM ! Oh ... Over the moors, I'm on the moor Oh, over the moor Oh, the child is on the moor " Cheers! - --Jason "Peter Murphy thinks I'm 'tasty'" Thornton "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:06:06 -0600 From: "JH3" Subject: Whatever he has done, I have done >are their names in the song though? granted, i probably haven't >listened to that song in 5-6 years, as it's my least favorite smithsong >on my least favorite smithalbum, but i really don't recall the names >being there (though i do know it's about a pretty infamous case of >child murders). Admittedly, only the name "Hindley" is in there, but it's repeated several times. Btw, you have to assume that at least 90% of anything I post to this (or any other) list is totally facetious... In all seriousness, it's understandable that most people in the US wouldn't know those names. The Moors murders were covered far more prominently here while they were happening than they were after the perps were caught & tried... Besides, the media was a LOT less obsessive about serial murderers back in the early 60's, even in the United States. More importantly, is it really your least favorite Smiths song? Just the opposite for me - I even spent 4-5 hours one day learning the guitar part. (Hint - Put a capo on the second fret, just as you would for "Please Please Please Let Me Get What I Want" or "Back to the Old House".) >I propose we start a letter writing campaign to get Robyn >featured on VH1's excellent programs, "Behind The Music" >and "Storytellers". I doubt they'd think he had enough ratings appeal for anything more than a 2-minute segment on "Where Are They Now", no matter how many letters we wrote to them. We were lucky enough to get two "Midnight Minutes" out of them. As for BTM, maybe Robyn would have a chance if (a) he had a history of chronic substance abuse, (b) at least 50% of his friends and associates all died in the same plane crash, (c) he was under indictment for some heinous crime that he didn't commit, (d) he was suffering from a life-threatening disease, AND (d) he had some new product coming out after a non-self-imposed hiatus of at least 5 years, preferably the result of one or more of the afore- mentioned problems... JH3 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:17:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Wolfe Subject: High Fidelity So, I caught High Fidelity last night. For that subset of you that occasions my site, I've got a short review up. Jack Black and Todd Louiso are brilliant, and the transplantation to Chicago is seamless (no offense to London fegs). The soundtrack's great, a really good mix. Definitely a keeper. - -Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:44:25 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: VH1 Storytellers / Behind The Music Glen: >I propose we start a letter writing campaign to get Robyn featured on VH1's >excellent programs, "Behind The Music" and "Storytellers". It'd never happen in a million years -- he's nowhere near popular enough. A more worthwhile campaign would be to get "Storefront Hitchcock" shown on, say, the Independent Film Channel? Or to get another label to re-re-re-re--reissue the Soft Boys material? Eddie dug deeper: >and anybody else who might give a rat's ASS. >at any rate, i was laughing my ASS off when chris told me about that. Hmmmmmm. ;) Finally played the new Patti Smith album last night. It's just...pretty good. The usual problems with dull, perfunctory melodies -- her music could be crude and basic when she was punky, but it's a glaring problem when she's singing mellow stuff. I do think Gung Ho is more "listenable" than Peace & Noise, however -- maybe it'll sell better. And one of my best friends was positively *raving* about how good her SXSW show was.... Eb, not happy about the "lyricsMANIAX" deal ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:55:38 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: lyrics > > Eb, not happy about the "lyricsMANIAX" deal not to worry: discussion is still encouraged on the feglist proper. just wanted to provide a forum for lyrics stuff - it worked so well when Jeme set his up. It's a nice break when things get ugly/unmanagable on the main list, too. =b ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:17:35 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: yo la tengo alright, as a major yo la head, i'll annotate Michael's gernally very-on-targget summary jes' a l'il bit... On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 MARKEEFE@aol.com wrote: > non-gushing opinion. Basically, they're a New Jersey-based indie rock band > (always been a trio?) that's been around since the mid- or late-80's. I mid. started as a quartet, with Dave Schramm (--> Schramms, q.v.) > kind of silly, noisey guitar noodlings that just make my skin crawl. Of if you like that sort of thing, on a good night, ira kaplan is one of the best "noise" guitarists in rock, mostly because even his wildest freakouts maintain more of a sense of the song's structure and feel than a lot of folks with superficial stylistic similarities. > late, they've mellowed considerably. To the point where I quite enjoy their i think they cut their first "mellow" record back in '93? except on the very earliest releases, they've mined predominatntly 2 disparate veins of material, pretty acoustic stuff and loud guitar rock, coloring both of them, sometimes, with ambient/drone qualities, with much more keyboard emphasis on the last three or four records. also worth mentioning: they are one of the most consistently good live bands around, although they lose a lot of oomph when georgia isn't drumming (they are all multi-instrumentalists, but georgia hubley is by far the best drummer in the band). but in general, the level of "ensemble" playing is way beyond the typical "indie rock" band. - -- d. np back off cupids - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:53:37 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: More fun with name generators! Remember our Wu-Names? This one's even funner! http://www.brunching.com/toys/toy-cyborger.html - --Q.U.A.I.L. (Quantum Upgraded Assassination and Infiltration Lifeform) +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society, Kibroth-hattaavah Branch) For fun with postmodern literature, New York vampires, and Fegmania, visit Sarnath: http://www.rpg.net/quail "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:33:11 -0700 From: jhaynes@lclark.edu Subject: Fwd: tonite in pdx hey i sent this out once but it doesn't seem to have gone through... tonight! free! free! free! the minders (and everyone's favorite...) bright eyes at lewis and clark college, in the rusty nail 9pm (free) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:41:34 -0600 From: "Marshall N Armintor" Subject: almodovar/a gripe about America-centric culture <<"All About My Mother" was dreadful. Did anyone really enjoy it, or are we just happy that he won based on his (much better) other films? (I wonder who'll be *next* year's Roberto Begnini-esque speech maker?)>> Oh hell no. I thought it was freakin' brilliant, and better than either _High Heels_ or _Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown_. I think the "Foreign Lanugage Film" award is a load of shit anyway, considering the poisonous hegemony of American culture over the rest of the globe, I think it should work _both_ ways; if the Oscars are the only film awards that matter to the globe at large, it shouldn't be geared towards to English-only movies. It nearly did work this way, last year, when _Life is Beautiful_ was nominated for best picture. Then again, there'd probably be a token foreign film spot permanently open for best picture if they changed the rules, and nobody in it would ever win, just like there's always one spot for best director that goes to someone else, in addition to four of the five guys (who can remember a female director ever being nominated?) who steered a production into a best picture slot. And that token entry never ever wins... (And when was the last time a British product ever did any real damage at the Oscars? Probably _Chariots of Fire_, heheh.) I thought the Almodovar film was better than _American Beauty_. Then again, I liked a few films better than AB last year, but not that many. marshall ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:04:51 PST From: "CORNHOLE ARMAGEDDON" Subject: eb all over the world <(who can remember a female director ever being nominated?)> jane campion? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:18:21 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: More fun with name generators! On 3/29/2000 2:53 PM, The Great Quail wrote: >http://www.brunching.com/toys/toy-cyborger.html Naturally: Robotic Obedient Being Yearning for Nullification - -Troubleshooting and Observation Machine (married to: Cybernetic Obedient Lifeform Engineered for Exploration and Nullification) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:22:03 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: America-centric culture Marshall: >I think the "Foreign Lanugage Film" award is a load of shit anyway, >considering the poisonous hegemony of American culture over the rest >of the globe, I think it should work _both_ ways; if the Oscars are the >only film awards that matter to the globe at large, it shouldn't be >geared towards to English-only movies. I believe the Oscars generally "matter" to the world because foreign countries are interested in eavesdropping on a major ritual of American entertainment culture -- not because they're rooting for their own films to be recognized. Also, since so many American films are dubbed/subtitled for foreign release, non-American film fans are interested in seeing the American stars and noting what American films are judged to be tops. >Then again, there'd probably be a token foreign film spot permanently >open for best picture if they changed the rules, and nobody in it would >ever win, just like there's always one spot for best director that >goes to someone else, in addition to four of the five guys (who can >remember a female director ever being nominated?) who steered a >production into a best picture slot. And that token entry never ever >wins... I will *never* understand why certain folks gripe every year that the Best Director nominations don't one-to-one correspond with the Best Picture nominees. Never. That makes no more sense than complaining that some Best Picture nominees don't get Best Actress/Actor nominations. Or Best Cinematography nominations. Ridiculous. If the nominees in two categories were logically obligated to match up, there simply wouldn't be a need for two categories. ><(who can remember a female director ever being nominated?)> >jane campion? I believe that Campion and Lina Wertmuller are the only ones. But we had this same debate about black actors, recently -- I don't think it's so much a question of great female-directed films being *overlooked*, but of not many women being allowed to direct major films in the first place. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:32:46 -0800 From: Journeying Android Skilled in Observation and Nullification Subject: Re: almodovar/a gripe about America-centric culture At 05:41 PM 3/29/00 -0600, Marshall N Armintor wrote: >I think the "Foreign Lanugage Film" award is a load of shit anyway, >considering the poisonous hegemony of American culture over the rest >of the globe, I think it should work _both_ ways; if the Oscars are the >only film awards that matter to the globe at large, it shouldn't be >geared towards to English-only movies. I don't know that the Oscars were originally *intended* to be the only film awards on Earth that "matter," although given the mall-ification (i.e., "globalization") of the planet, they may well have become that. The Oscars are really intended to recognize the best in American cinema. Whether or not they actually do this is another issue. Actually, they might even be considered a "local" (Hollywood) award, as the rules do state that all movies nominated (except for the Foreign Language Films) must be shown in Los Angeles County during the year in question. - --Jasonobot "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:27:06 -0800 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: eb all over the world On 29.03.00 16:04, CORNHOLE ARMAGEDDON wrote: > > <(who can remember a female director ever being nominated?)> > > jane campion? Two women have been nominated for achievement in directing: Jane Campion in 1993 for THE PIANO and Lina Wertmuller in 1976 for SEVEN BEAUTIES. http://www.oscar.com - -- Cheers! - -g- If you lend $20 to someone and never see that person again, it was probably worth it. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:32:59 -0800 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: eb all over the world On 29.03.00 16:04, CORNHOLE ARMAGEDDON wrote: > > <(who can remember a female director ever being nominated?)> > > jane campion? Two women have been nominated for achievement in directing: Jane Campion in 1993 for THE PIANO and Lina Wertmuller in 1976 for SEVEN BEAUTIES. http://www.oscar.com - -- Cheers! - -g- If you lend $20 to someone and never see that person again, it was probably worth it. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:19:52 -0500 From: Greg Mascioli Subject: Re: robyn news Robyn at the BottomLine 6/16? Just called the club and they could not confirm his appearance. Hope this is true since NYC in June is a great place to hang. Greg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:49:56 -0500 From: "she.rex" <> Subject: "I got it! I got it! I got it! I ain't got it..." OWSLEY!!! HA! I kid you not, it was 2am. The amazing thing is I remembered it till now. Starts out with good momentum & keeps it up all the way through. Good solid songs. Check out this rekkid. Heard the Oscars playing downstairs from upstairs - couldn't care much less. Heard Blame Canada. Saw Beatty's speech over dinner (the in laws keep the tv playing more or less every blessed second of the day) - what the heck was that? Couldn't believe it when BC said this was the shortest show ever - was that a joke or did Beatty just make it feel that way? I thought they were going to award Annette Bening an Oscar for being pregnant, everybody seemed to mention it. (Don't get me wrong - I like her.) Welcome back, Randi! Hope you have a great trip! She.Rex (staying home sick today - yipee - believe me, it's better than the alternative) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 23:00:10 -0800 From: "Jeannine, Baby" Subject: portland feggys/bright eyes if you'd like to form your own opinion about bright eyes ( i haven't heard em yet) they're playing at Lewis and Clark College in the Rusty Nail with the Minders tomorrow night (mar 29) show starts at 9. please come and support indie rock at the most un indie rock place in portland! oh, and it's free. also, does anyone have the new Papas Fritas? it's so wonderful! buy it now. jeannine - ------------------------------------------------------------ Free Email at: http://www.applesinstereo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:18:21 EST From: "brian nupp" Subject: Respect outtakes Does anyone know how to get a hold of Pete Jones? He's got a few tapes I'd love to trade. I sent him this mail, but it was returned. Any help would be kindly appreicated! Thanks Brian p.s. That tip on un-stucking a cassette by cupping it in your hand and carefully smacking it down on a hard surface worked! Thanks! "When I hear the word democracy, I reach for my headphones" RH >From: "brian nupp" >To: pjones1674@aol.com >Subject: "oscar" >Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 00:08:06 EST >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > >Hey Pete, I was checking out your Robyn H. trade list and came across what >looks to be a "respect" outtake tape called "'oscar' unreleased sessions for >projected A&M album, 1993" If you don't mind me asking, what is this? Are >there any unreleased or different versions of respect songs on there (maybe >the legendary french version of wafflehead?)? >I've got a bunch of RH stuff for trade, a lot of it I don't beleive you >have. A bit of resent stuff too. If you're interested. >Thanks >Brian >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:45:34 PST From: "CORNHOLE ARMAGEDDON" Subject: eb's all over the world i think you may have missed marshall's point. though perhaps i should let him speak for himself, it seems that whereas he was decrying american cultural imperialism, you're celebrating it. but, come on. it's not as if the nominations in the two categories are largely (or even minimally, for that matter) mutually exclusive. there's always precisely one person nominated for best director whose film wasn't nominated for best picture. always. in other words, a token entry. and there's always much wailing and gnashing of teeth by the one director who gets left out. but film is generally considered a director's medium. supposing they gave the grammy for best album to the record company rather than the artist? or, if there were an awards ceremony for novels, if they gave the best novel award to the publisher rather than the author? lots of people have been arguing for quite some time that there *shouldn't* be. that the best picture award should go to the director, and that, if need be, they could have some sort of award for the financiers. that, in my opinion, would make much more sense than the current set-up. KEN "Predicated on the assumption that if you know the price of something, you deserve to own it" THE KENSTER ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:23:56 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: eb's all over the world Eddie cornholed me: >countries are interested in eavesdropping on a major ritual of American >entertainment culture> > >i think you may have missed marshall's point. though perhaps i should let >him speak for himself, it seems that whereas he was decrying american >cultural imperialism, you're celebrating it. Sorry, Eddie, but as soon as one of your posts drops the word "imperialism," my attention starts to wane. ;) What Marshall (and you, apparently) "decry" is that the Oscars claim to be a ceremony honoring the *world's* best films. My counterpoint: I don't believe the Oscars make any such claim. And if that's true, then you can't call the Oscars "imperialistic." >but film is generally considered a director's medium. supposing they gave >the grammy for best album to the record company rather than the artist? or, >if there were an awards ceremony for novels, if they gave the best novel >award to the publisher rather than the author? This is weak. Film is *not* generally considered to be a director's medium. Only by studied film fans. How many people who saw Eyes Wide Shut went to see "the new Tom Cruise film," and how many went to see "the new Stanley Kubrick film"? I'd guess it's about a 75/25 split, at least. It wasn't Kubrick who was on the covers of all those magazines.... >there simply wouldn't be a need for two categories.> > >lots of people have been arguing for quite some time that there *shouldn't* >be. that the best picture award should go to the director, and that, if >need be, they could have some sort of award for the financiers. that, in my >opinion, would make much more sense than the current set-up. Uhh...why would that make more sense? Is virtuoso direction the only criterion for a film's quality? Eb ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #79 ******************************