From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #72 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, March 22 2000 Volume 09 : Number 072 Today's Subjects: ----------------- eblings all over the world ["CORNHOLE ARMAGEDDON" ] Re: The Bloke With No Hand ["brian nupp" ] Re: vermont all over the world [Jeff Dwarf ] Groovy Things about Robyn Hitchcock #12 & 35 [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: The Bloke With No Hand ["Russ Reynolds" ] Re: The Bloke With No Hand [Terrence Marks ] Re: Groovy Things about Robyn Hitchcock #12 & 35 [ultraconformist ] Kimberley shows? ["Marc Holden" ] Re: fegmaniax station addendum ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: On a more prosaic note [steve ] Re: vermont all over the world [Ken Ostrander ] RIP ["Paul Christian Glenn" ] Re: The Bloke With No Hand [Glen Uber ] Re: fegmaniax station addendum [Capuchin ] Re: Bloody Bugger!! (...another thing Shakespeare never said) [Tom Clark ] Re: vermont all over the world (Cure + The The) [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Now that's going too far [Christopher Gross ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:03:08 PST From: "CORNHOLE ARMAGEDDON" Subject: eblings all over the world do NOT, repeat do NOT buy ANYTHING from this fucker. he is a fucking d-i-c-k, dick. make that D-I-C-K, DICK. several years ago, i had placed a Goldmine want ad, looking for help in filling out the ol' robyn disco.. so this guy responds by sending his list o' robyn stuff for sale (the very same list currently displayed on his web page). in those days, i didn't know a "tape trade" from the hole in eb's ass. but at the same time, i was a monumental fan of robyn's live "act". seemed to me that he was offering up slices of pure nirvana, at only eight at bucks a pop. a bargain at thrice the price! so i ordered and i waited. and i waited. and i waited. and i waited some more. occasionally i tried getting in touch with him, with no response. finally, i got e-mail, and started e-mailing him. once in a while, he'd respond, apologising profusely for the delay, and promising to get my stuff out "tomorrow". never happened. i finally contacted the better business bureau in iowa, and got some responses from them to the effect that he'd been really busy, but would surely get my stuff out to me. which he finally did. some of it. no apology. no explanation. just a parcel with some of the stuff he owed me. and, as he explained to them, an offer to send substitutes for the rest of the lot, as he no longer had what i wanted in stock. and so on and so forth. probably more than you ever wanted to know about this motherfucker, but hopefully i've convinced you never to order anything from him. really? which one? time was, i was a pretty big fan of johnny horton. i now realise that he was not much more than jingoism incarnate. but, damn! i expect some of his songs will be rattling 'round my noggin' long after i kick the bucket. "the admiral of the british fleet said 'turn those bows around/we found that mighty bismarck/and we're gonna cut her down'"... a few words about saturday's kcrw spot, in case anybody missed it: he played Only A Northern Song [somebody having learnt him the chords only the day before] I Saw Nick Drake Nietzsche's Way The Ghost In You Take This In Remembrance some news - --he's still working on the book, though having a tough time finishing it. - --he's going to slowly compile a bunch of cover songs, release them on 10" vinyl (or something like that), and "flog" it over the internet. - --he's not going to make any more cd's. instead, he'll just make songs available over mp3 (or something like that), and people can choose whatever they want, and make their own albums. at least that's what he said. he never did say what he was doing in l.a.. KEN "Never stop bleeding" THE KENSTER ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:44:27 EST From: "brian nupp" Subject: Re: The Bloke With No Hand Good Question. >From: Tom Clark >Reply-To: Tom Clark >To: "Punky Reggae Party" >Subject: The Bloke With No Hand >Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:37:48 -0800 > >I don't know if anyone's brought this up in the past (I don't have enough >brain cells to hold that kind of information), but does anyone think that >the "bloke with no hand" from 1974 is Victor "Moulty" Moulton, drummer >for the 60's band "The Barbarians"? Apparently he had his hand blown off >as a teen in a fireworks accident and held one of his sticks with a hook. > >Input? Comments? > >-tc ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:50:52 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: vermont all over the world Ken Ostrander wrote: > the new cure album has been discussed here. it's supposed to be a > completion of a trilogy including _pornography_ and _disintegration_. > all three albums have a similar murkiness, taking rob smith's dreary > world view down as far as they can. _bloodflowers_ is characterized > by churning, syrupy guitarwork but doesn't have any upbeat songs like > the other two albums of the trilogy. upbeat song on _Pornography_? > _naked self_ has been a long time coming. since his last full album > matt johnson has had albums near completion and pulled them for > personal reasons. apparently, they weren't good enough. this is what > we've been waiting for. very well produced with a new band behind > him, he sounds great. he rocks out more than i ever thought he could. > it sounds like he's never been away. how do we get some of those > 'unreleased' albums listed on the sleeve discography? according to www.thethe.com (which is much less mind combobulating than writing the the the website), GunSluts (which was rejected by Epic for not having anything even vaguely resembling a single, not for lack of quality), The Pornography of Despair, etc, will be released by Johnson's own Lazarus Records sometime after the touring/promotion cycle for NakedSelf is finished. ===== "Pat Robertson believes in freedom of religion about as much as Bill Clinton believes in being sexual fidelity." -- overheard while eating "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:53:05 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Groovy Things about Robyn Hitchcock #12 & 35 His associates don't even wait for the check to clear before sending you _Bram._ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:17:34 -0600 From: ultraconformist Subject: Re: Groovy Things about Robyn Hitchcock #12 & 35 >His associates don't even wait for the check to clear before sending >you _Bram._ I suppose I should ask them personally, but does anyone know offhand if it would it be ok to send the groovy associates a money order? I would actually prefer that. We got "Alpha Centauri" a couple days ago. I have been enjoying great military victories by capturing and training alien life forms called mind worms, which in large congolmerations are called boils. Thus I have been wiping out huge numbers of enemy troops with mind worm boils, which seems like sort of a Robynish thing to do. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:18:09 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: bram vs sophia alright, i've had _stars_ for a couple of weeks now and i think i can safely say that it's fucking awesome. more consistant than any of the other outtakes albums that he's released. it's an obvious companion piece to _jewels_ and i'm glad to have all of the songs from both, even the dub. haven't really listened to the x-mas party tape enough to prefer those versions of the songs. the role of the studio musicians sometimes is a bit too subtle. how many people can compare with robyn's output? just a few of my silly thoughts: daisy bomb: stuttering muppet love. i saw nick drake: quietly beautiful like nick's music. by the way, i have to say that i really like that vw commercial that uses 'pink moon'. adoration of the city: nice riffage. any explanation of the photo in the sleeve? 1974: the intro is great. i wish i liked you: brings back the bluesy feel of _invisible hitchcock_. and that's a good thing. nietzsche's way: i like the way he makes nietzsche sound like nature. the philosopher's stone: read the small print. nazi in a v-neck sweater? it's a crazy world. the green boy: the godfather of psychedelica? this is robyn lost in lust. judas sings (jesus & me): mmm...delicious corruption. antwoman (dub): a cute diversion. i like it on a separate album like this rather than the _queen elvis_ remixes. i used to love you: reminds me of 'fairplay'. more piano tunes please. the underneath: definitely my favorite on the disk. national anthem for the island of misfit musicians. ken "not that 'eat the state' guy" the kenster ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:06:21 -0800 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: The Bloke With No Hand > I don't know if anyone's brought this up in the past (I don't have enough > brain cells to hold that kind of information), but does anyone think that > the "bloke with no hand" from 1974 is Victor "Moulty" Moulton, drummer > for the 60's band "The Barbarians"? Apparently he had his hand blown off > as a teen in a fireworks accident and held one of his sticks with a hook. > > Input? Comments? > > - -tc I think someone did bring this up once. I thought it was you, actually, but I haven't got enough brain cells left to verify that. Alls I can tell you is that by '74 Moulty was no doubt out of the music biz, so I think it's doubtful he's the bloke referred to but it's certainly a theory worth pursuing. I remember somebody else suggesting that it could be Jerry Garcia, but I think that's even more of a stretch. Here's an idea...how 'bout somebody ASK him? It's not like he's totally inaccessable at his shows, and that's one I think a lot of us have been wondering about. By the way, Moulty's drumsticks are apparently on display at the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. He jokes that if he'd held on tight enough he'd be in there too. On the subject of 1974: We all assume that "He's gonna have to be Roger now for the rest of his life" is about Pink Floyd switching gears after Syd's demise, but how 'bout this: Does anyone remember when Jim McGuinn changed his name to Roger? Someone reminded me of that recently and since then I can't hear that line without thinking about McGuinn. I'm sure it wasn't meant that way but that's the way I hear it now. And now that I've mentioned it here perhaps some of you are doomed to the same fate. - -rUss now shufflin': The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan/The Velvet Underground & Nico/Miles Davis-Birth of the Cool/The Best of Eric Burdon & The Animals 1966-1968/Bob Marley-Legend (i.e. I'm old) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:37:14 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: The Bloke With No Hand On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, Russ Reynolds wrote: > On the subject of 1974: We all assume that "He's gonna have to be Roger now > for the rest of his life" is about Pink Floyd switching gears after Syd's > demise, Nah. Not Syd Barrett->Roger Waters, but Syd Barrett->Roger Barrett (his real name, y'know) Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:51:44 -0600 From: ultraconformist Subject: Re: Groovy Things about Robyn Hitchcock #12 & 35 >Usually, a money order is prefered over a check. A money order means that >there is already cash behind it where as a check is a promise for cash. It >would be hard to bounce a money order since you have to put the money up >first. Right? Well, that would be a reason for -them- to prefer it, yes, and it's actually a bit nicer for both parties, because they can just trot off to the post office (or whatever, I get postal ones so that's where they'd go to cash mine) and get the money, and I get my stuff faster because I don't have to wait for the check to go through. Altho the fact that they are apparently not waiting for checks to clear seems to make this a moot point, and would mean I'd basically be doing it out of habit. Now I'm kind of wondering why I asked the question in the first place. I guess because I'm thinking of ebay where people are really horsey about this stuff and sometimes I look at a seller's requirements and they're like "I will only take blue polka-dotted checks numbered 500 or above on alternate Tuesdays when it is raining, otherwise do not bother". So I figure it doesn't hurt to try and find out. Love on ya, Susan P.S. I owe email to some peoples on here, for which I apologize ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:54:34 -0600 From: steve Subject: Speaking of "The Man" (NR) http://stanlee.net You'll need shockwave for this, and I'm not responsible for any adverse reactions. - - Steve __________ Iąd sit down and meditate but my ass is on fire. - Bill Nelson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:09:25 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: Kimberley shows? Has anyone heard about any dates being announced for the Kimberley Rew tour? I haven't heard the new album yet, but I'd really like to see him again. Marc np--Walter Carlos--Switched on Bach (quad LP, but unfortunately, on a stereo system) Worship the potato? The idea seemed silly to me. But then I thought, what else is more deserving of worship? It's simple, it comes from the earth, and it can kill you if you disobey it. ---Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:26:33 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: fegmaniax station addendum Thomas Rodebaugh wrote: > > i gave incomplete information regarding the mp3.com "fegmaniax" station: > > note that, unless i am mistaken, songs on stations have to be on mp3.com, > and cannot be covers. however, if you have cd or mp3 format songs, it'd > be pretty easy for you to make an mp3.com page. it doesn't take a > horribly long time, and it's good publicity. > > i know it's kind of a bummer that we have to go through mp3.com on this > one, however. Especially since they want your e-mail address in order to download stuff. Thankfully, I have a valid e-mail address that drops all content into the bitbucket, and they seem to have fallen for it. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:37:29 EST From: "brian nupp" Subject: Re: Groovy Things about Robyn Hitchcock #12 & 35 Usually, a money order is prefered over a check. A money order means that there is already cash behind it where as a check is a promise for cash. It would be hard to bounce a money order since you have to put the money up first. Right? But, if you ever have to, it is possible to cancel a money order before it is cashed (like a check), like if you ordered those bootlegs off of that D I C K that eddie ordered off of, and are now realizing you shouldn't of. I'd bet one of my smaller fingers that they'd gladly accept a money order. B.A.N. >From: ultraconformist >Reply-To: ultraconformist >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Groovy Things about Robyn Hitchcock #12 & 35 >Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:17:34 -0600 > > >His associates don't even wait for the check to clear before sending > >you _Bram._ > >I suppose I should ask them personally, but does anyone know offhand if it >would it be ok to send the groovy associates a money order? I would >actually prefer that. > >We got "Alpha Centauri" a couple days ago. I have been enjoying great >military victories by capturing and training alien life forms called mind >worms, which in large congolmerations are called boils. Thus I have been >wiping out huge numbers of enemy troops with mind worm boils, which seems >like sort of a Robynish thing to do. > >Love on ya, >Susan > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:04:54 -0800 From: "Crazy Unca' Nick" Subject: Bloody Bugger!! (...another thing Shakespeare never said) On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 "Russ Reynolds" allegedly said: > If I were going to go through the trouble of forging a note like that I > think I'd sign a name that would make it shocking and confusing. Like > say Bayard. > > (new thread: if you could forge a nasty post, which feg's name would > you sign to it?) > > - -Nick Winkworth Ha! Thought I wasn't paying attention didn't you? Thought I was asleep at the switch, zoning out, not keeping up with my digests... well I showed you didn't I? Ha ...No sliding one past 'ol Unca Nick. No sir. No way. On the ball, me. Oh yes. Hrmmm. Er.. Oh. Now that I am "on air", as it were, I'd like to offer big thanks to the folks who were discussing the BBC TV adaptation of Gormenghast a few weeks ago. Many is the time I have wittered on about the wonderfulness of Mervyn Peake and the Gormenghast trilogy, but without this list I might never have heard about the BBC adaptation and gone looking for the video. For any other non-UK folks who have not seen it and want to, Blackstar.co.uk have the double tape set for 19.95GBP with free shipping anywhere in the world. Quite the deal. It's PAL format of course, but they do have an NTSC conversion service - though I did not look into the details since, as an bona fide expat, I own a PAL capable VCR. My copy arrived about a week ago and I have to tell you I am totally knocked out by it. Even with the compromises and omissions that are inevitable with such an adaptation, I feel this is the most faithful transfer from page to screen I could possibly have hoped for. By that I don't mean that it's line-by-line perfect. It's not, and frankly couldn't be, but they have caught the spirit and character in a way I would not have thought possible. I'm frankly amazed it could be done at all, let alone with this level of fidelity to the tone and feel of the books. (Plus some of the casting is simply inspired.) Best of all, it has sent me back to the books, to experience again Peake's absolutely incredible use of the English language - if you haven't already read these books, don't wait, do it now! (By the way, I noticed that, despite its Britishness, this is a WGBH Boston co-production - so for you Americans, I would say it is highly likely to be aired on a PBS station near you before too long) - ---- On a more prosaic note, I happened to find a copy of "Stereo Review" on some plane I was on the other day and was amazed to see JfS listed as their fourth top CD of last year! Now be aware that this is an *audiophile* mag, so "best" probably means "least measurable distortion when listened to in an anechoic chamber using solid gold oxygen-free speaker cables", nevertheless the other titles indicate a certain credibility. Here's as much detail as I copied down: 1 - Tom Waites, Mule Variations 2 - Wilco - Summer Teeth 3 - XTC - Apple Venus V1 4 - RH - JfS 5 - Continental Drifters 6 - Guided by Voices 7 - Chris Cornell 8 - Sleater Kinney 9 - Fountains of Wayne 10 - Jason Falkner OK. That's your list fix for today. I'm outta here. =b PS for those who asked. Yes I am getting close to another big update of the Fegfotos site. I have loads of new photos festering in my back yard and most of the work, scanning and such, actually got done over Christmas. Work, however, has rather got in the way of most things since then and the last 5% of the effort is taking 90% of the time. Please be patient. RSN... Despite tardiness on my part, new pictures are always welcome. To see what it's all about, check out www.njaz.com/fegfotos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:26:12 -0500 From: fartachu Subject: Re: fegmaniax station addendum when we last left our heroes, Stewart C. Russell exclaimed: >Thomas Rodebaugh wrote: >> i know it's kind of a bummer that we have to go through mp3.com on this >> one, however. > >Especially since they want your e-mail address in order to download >stuff. Thankfully, I have a valid e-mail address that drops all content >into the bitbucket, and they seem to have fallen for it. any string of text which looks like an e-mail address will work. you@suck.com, for example. or, perhaps, you'd prefer the more prosaic, i@hate.mp3.com? +w n.p. roy harper -- "the green man" mp3 (new song, available from ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:58:06 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: On a more prosaic note Crazy Unca' Nick: >On a more prosaic note, I happened to find a copy of "Stereo Review" on >some plane I was on the other day and was amazed to see JfS listed as >their fourth top CD of last year! Now be aware that this is an >*audiophile* mag, so "best" probably means "least measurable distortion >when listened to in an anechoic chamber using solid gold oxygen-free >speaker cables", nevertheless the other titles indicate a certain >credibility. Stereophile, The Absolute Sound, and a host of other "small" hifi mags are aimed at audiophiles, but SR / SR's Sound & Vision is very much a mainstream stereo and now home video mag. Audio, another mainstream publication that tried to stay with its audio only orientation, has just ceased publication. The music reviews in SR have always been pretty good - you just need to know the reviewer. In general, the audio mags tend to have serious music coverage, when they bother. And it tends to be very non-trendy (ie aimed toward older white guys). >1 - Tom Waites, Mule Variations >2 - Wilco - Summer Teeth >3 - XTC - Apple Venus V1 >4 - RH - JfS >5 - Continental Drifters >6 - Guided by Voices >7 - Chris Cornell >8 - Sleater Kinney >9 - Fountains of Wayne >10 - Jason Falkner m2c - Steve Want to see the Wasp Star cover? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=289645194 _______________ We're all Jesus, Buddha, and the Wizard of Oz! - Andy Partridge ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:55:00 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: Re: vermont all over the world >> _bloodflowers_ is characterized >> by churning, syrupy guitarwork but doesn't have any upbeat songs like >> the other two albums of the trilogy. > >upbeat song on _Pornography_? 'hanging garden' is what i was thinking of; but even 'one hundred years' would qualify. the whole album has those pounding drums. very tribal and sensual. you get the intense emotional catharsis out of it, hence the title. >> how do we get some of those >> 'unreleased' albums listed on the sleeve discography? > >according to www.thethe.com (which is much less mind combobulating than >writing the the the website), GunSluts (which was rejected by Epic for >not having anything even vaguely resembling a single, not for lack of >quality), The Pornography of Despair, etc, will be released by >Johnson's own Lazarus Records sometime after the touring/promotion >cycle for NakedSelf is finished. matt should take a cue from uncle bobby and release them on another label. ken "c'mon back to my place; bouncy bouncy." the kenster np kimberley rew tunnel into summer had to go to a couple of different places to find it this morning. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:12:09 -0600 From: "Paul Christian Glenn" Subject: RIP The brilliant artist, producer, and mentor Gene Eugene (Andrusco) has passed on. This world is much the poorer. Tribute page at www.becrecordings.com Paul Christian Glenn pcg@mailandnews.com Eon Chamber http://eonchamber.port5.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:04:35 -0800 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: The Bloke With No Hand On 21.03.00 16:37, Tom Clark wrote: > I don't know if anyone's brought this up in the past (I don't have enough > brain cells to hold that kind of information), but does anyone think that > the "bloke with no hand" from 1974 is Victor "Moulty" Moulton, drummer > for the 60's band "The Barbarians"? Apparently he had his hand blown off > as a teen in a fireworks accident and held one of his sticks with a hook. It's a lovely theory, but how does it relate to "you and David Crosby"? Or perhaps it's just random associations or 'junk sculptures' (apologies to Mssrs. Becker and Fagen). I had wondered if it was a "Fugitive" reference, but I might be a couple years too late. N.P.: Adrian Belew, "Lookin' For A UFO" - -- Cheers! - -g- "I value kindness to human beings and kindness to animals. I don't respect the law; I have a total irreverence for anything connected with society except that which makes the roads safer, the beer stronger, the food cheaper, and old men and women warmer in the winter and happier in the summer." --Brendan Behan +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:24:18 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: fegmaniax station addendum On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, fartachu wrote: > when we last left our heroes, Stewart C. Russell exclaimed: > >Especially since they want your e-mail address in order to download > >stuff. Thankfully, I have a valid e-mail address that drops all content > >into the bitbucket, and they seem to have fallen for it. > any string of text which looks like an e-mail address will work. > you@suck.com, for example. or, perhaps, you'd prefer the more prosaic, > i@hate.mp3.com? I have a working address called fakeaddress@bitmine.net, which really throws some people off. But usually I try root@127.0.0.1 first. It almost always works. J. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:01:30 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Bloody Bugger!! (...another thing Shakespeare never said) On 3/22/2000 12:04 AM, Crazy Unca' Nick wrote: >On a more prosaic note, I happened to find a copy of "Stereo Review" on >some plane I was on the other day and was amazed to see JfS listed as >their fourth top CD of last year! Now be aware that this is an >*audiophile* mag, so "best" probably means "least measurable distortion >when listened to in an anechoic chamber using solid gold oxygen-free >speaker cables" Robyn is a perennial fave of that mag - which is now titled "Stereo Review's Sound & Vision", btw - what with Steve Simels and Brett Milano being contributing reviewers. Hell, "Respect" was even in their top ten for whatever year it came out. - -tc oh, and Russ, I think Moulty being out of the biz by '74 is entirely the point, right? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:07:20 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: vermont all over the world (Cure + The The) In a message dated 3/22/00 8:07:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, kenster@MIT.EDU writes: << >> _bloodflowers_ is characterized >> by churning, syrupy guitarwork but doesn't have any upbeat songs like >> the other two albums of the trilogy. > >upbeat song on _Pornography_? 'hanging garden' is what i was thinking of; but even 'one hundred years' would qualify. the whole album has those pounding drums. very tribal and sensual. you get the intense emotional catharsis out of it, hence the title. >> I think what we have here is a case of "upbeat" being used when maybe "uptempo" word work better. Either that, or I'm very afraid ;-) >> how do we get some of those >> 'unreleased' albums listed on the sleeve discography? > >according to www.thethe.com (which is much less mind combobulating than >writing the the the website), GunSluts (which was rejected by Epic for >not having anything even vaguely resembling a single, not for lack of >quality), The Pornography of Despair, etc, will be released by >Johnson's own Lazarus Records sometime after the touring/promotion >cycle for NakedSelf is finished. >> Many The The fans (myself included) have patched together a version of "Pornography of Despair" from b-sides and other releases, based on Matt Johnson saying that that's where a good deal of the material ended up. But I'm sure the real version will be way better. And, Oh!, "Gun Sluts"! Man, I can't wait! - ------Michael K, The The fanatic :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:39:21 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Now that's going too far School Uses Backstreet Boys to 'Torture' Students TORONTO (Reuters) - Backstreet Boys' music and other pop songs are being used by University of Toronto campus police to ''torture'' students into ending a sit-in in the president's office. For six days, a group of students has occupied the offices of vacationing university president Robert Prichard and other administrative staff, demanding a campus-wide ban of the sale of clothing made in Third World sweatshops. Of the 20 students who started the sit-in, eight were left Wednesday. Phones in the offices have been cut off and the students receive food from friends in a pail they pull up from the second-floor window. At night, pop music is played loudly in hopes of ``making life a little more uncomfortable,'' said Jane Stirling, a manager in the university's public affairs office, on Wednesday. ``This is probably the first time the Backstreet Boys have been deliberately used as a form of sleep deprivation torture,'' the National Post newspaper quoted protester Sonia Singh as saying. ``The university is willing to talk to the students, but not while they are inappropriately occupying someone's office,'' Stirling said. University shops buy clothing from China and Mexico, but the protesters, who call themselves Students Against Sweatshops, have no definitive evidence that any of the logo clothing sold on campus is produced by sweatshop labor. They argue, however, that without a code of conduct, there is no proof of where the clothing is made. Ian Orchard, vice-provost, said the students are ``quite a peaceful lot.'' He said the university has been working for about a year on implementing a policy on sweatshops and that the governing council plans to discuss a code of conduct on May 11. ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #72 ******************************