From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #59 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, March 8 2000 Volume 09 : Number 059 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: more on PAF1 [Jeff Dwarf ] editions PAF! [Thomas Rodebaugh ] Re: I wish I liked you ["Russ Reynolds" ] Re: a bad case of history? [Capuchin ] Re: PAF 1 ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Royalties all over the world [Michael R Godwin ] Re: a bad case of history? [Christopher Gross ] Re: circuit mag #4 ["brian nupp" ] Re: a bad case of history? [mrrunion@palmnet.net] Crankier Than Eb? You Make the Call. [lj lindhurst ] PAF: very short geekoid note from a geekoid of average height [Mark_Glost] Re: a bad case of history? [Eb ] Re: Crankier Than Eb? You Make the Call. [Eb ] Re: a bad case of history? [Capuchin ] Dignan's all over the world. Or so it seems. [The Great Quail ] Re: PAF: very short geekoid note from a geekoid of average height [hal br] the sensational Spice Girls v the midget Macca ["jbranscombe@compuserve.c] The shit rockstars have to put up with [steve ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 17:41:20 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: more on PAF1 hal brandt wrote: > (who is also hoping "Fleshhead" has a future release) perhaps "Fleshhead" is being held over for the next proper album? ===== "Pat Robertson believes in freedom of religion about as much as Bill Clinton believes in being sexual fidelity." -- overheard while eating "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 20:48:05 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Rodebaugh Subject: editions PAF! my wife (not my dead wife) says that "Paf!" is a french kind of comic-book sounding "pow!" or "bam!" so editions PAF! might be "Bam! edition" in french. maybe. paf! tom *************************** *Tom Rodebaugh * *Graduate Student, UNC-CH * *tlr3@email.unc.edu * *************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 18:33:02 -0800 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: I wish I liked you > ouch. i find I Wish I Liked You to be terribly sophomoric and jokey. (which > is fine if that's what you're intending. Gene Hackman, for example. but if > you're *trying* to sound bitter, then it just makes it come off incredibly > lame, which I Wish I Liked You does. *easily* one of robyn's worst songs.) > it's not even in the same *ballpark* as Trash, You and I are at opposite ends of the spectrum here. I freely admit to being in the minority on this issue but "Trash" has never been one of my favorites BECAUSE I see it as terribly sophomoric and jokey. IWILY to me seems so much more sincerely and thouroughly bitter and I betcha if you heard those same lyrics set to anything other than straight blues you'd agree with me. However, it's pretty tough to get inside someone else's mind when the question of sincerity comes up so let's just say that my interpretation is correct and you are SO wrong. Empty Girl sure is a bitchen song though. - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 23:38:02 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: a bad case of history? On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, FukStik 2000 wrote: > "It's very significant that PERSPEX ISLAND was knocked off the top > of the alternative charts by Nirvana." > so said robyn in 1996, and he's uttered similar words at other > times. is this literally true, that PERSPEX was knocked from the #1 > spot by NEVERMIND? Yes. > (and was it actually called the "alternative" chart at the time, > or was it factually the "college" chart?) Different people called it different things. I distinctly remember Dave Kendall talking about Nevermind usurping Perspex's two or three week reign on the COLLEGE chart during 120 Minutes. And yeah, I watched 120 Minutes to tape videos I liked... and I got So You Think You're In Love that last night before Nirvana took over. And yeah, Smells Like Teen Spirit was played on 120 Minutes for several weeks before it took over the rest of MTV. I also seem to recall both Nirvana and Smashing Pumpkins appearing on Headbanger's Ball or some such. I could be wrong about the show, though. > not that it so much matters, and certainly it's *metaphorically* true, but > it'd be an interesting little bit of trivia were it literally the case. Eh. I mean, Ana Ng knocked U2's Desire out of the single position several years before and that wasn't any kind of cultural change of direction. I wish. That is all. J. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 10:01:16 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: PAF 1 hal brandt wrote: > > JH3 wrote: > > > It's on "Editions PAF!" (I still > > don't know what PAF stands for) > > I'm guessing "PAF!" is like a comic-book sound effect Standard issue French comic book noise (witness Asterix**, where impacting on a Roman soldier always goes PAF!). Maybe it's just supposed to be French, with that word order. Stewart (who just got e-mail from Julian Koster ... !!!) ** not to be confused with "witless Asterix", which might pretty much sum up the new Asterix movie. They must've slipped Gérard Depardieu some horse tranquiliser to get him to sign up for Obelix. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:07:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Royalties all over the world On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, JH3 wrote: > On the face of it, ASfB is basically a vanity pressing, right? It's on > "Editions PAF!" (I still don't know what PAF stands for) Aren't there any other guitar buffs out there? PAF stands for "Patent Applied For" - it was printed on early Gibson humbucker pickups to indicate that they were in the process of patenting the design. But Robyn always uses Fender guitars, so maybe it means something totally different. - - Mike ".009" Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 07:54:54 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: a bad case of history? On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, Capuchin wrote: > And yeah, Smells Like Teen Spirit was played on 120 Minutes for several > weeks before it took over the rest of MTV. I also seem to recall both > Nirvana and Smashing Pumpkins appearing on Headbanger's Ball or some > such. I could be wrong about the show, though. Hey, I remember Nirvana's appearance on Headbnger's Ball. Since it was a ball, Kurt Cobain wore a floor-length ball gown (yellow, as I recall). I also recall learning about Nirvana by seeing "Smells Like Teen Spirit" early in its MTV days, encouraging all my friends to check out this still obscure young band, and then feeling slightly embarrassed for the next year as Nirvana went on to global domination. I felt so mainstream! Looking forward to grunge nostalgia, Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 09:34:42 EST From: "brian nupp" Subject: Re: circuit mag #4 Hey, does anyone know if this is the issue I'm looking for? Thanks Brian >From: "brian nupp" >Reply-To: "brian nupp" >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: circuit mag #4 >Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 18:22:57 EST > >Is Circuit Music Journal #4 w/ Ben Harper the issue with our man in it? >Thanks >Brian >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 07:25:59 -0800 From: mrrunion@palmnet.net Subject: Re: a bad case of history? Yeah, Kurt's dress was shocking yellow, with a big foot high collar encircling his head. If I remember right, he just sat there all casual in his normal tone, smoking a cigarette or something. Never was a fan of Headbangers Ball...actually avoided it like the plague...I was a 120 head all the way...but Nirvana's appearance make me suffer through the show at least once. I believe a snippet of this show is available on that one Nirvana videotape that was released a few years back...can't remember the name. I also fondly recall that October/November '91 timeframe, moshing away in a cool Cocoa Beach goth club to Smells Like. It may be wistful hindsight, but there really was this weird feel in the air, and this song was simply exploding but it still felt like ours or something. All that changed come January '92. The beginning of the end or something. I wonder where we'd be had all that not happened? Would the whole alt thing have exploded the way it did without Nirvana? Or would some other band have filled the void? Eh, who cares anyway... Mike (glad it all sputtered and died, actually) - --- Original Message --- Christopher Gross Wrote on Tue, 7 Mar 2000 07:54:54 -0500 (EST) ------------------ Hey, I remember Nirvana's appearance on Headbnger's Ball. Since it was a ball, Kurt Cobain wore a floor-length ball gown (yellow, as I recall). I also recall learning about Nirvana by seeing "Smells Like Teen Spirit" early in its MTV days, encouraging all my friends to check out this still obscure young band, and then feeling slightly embarrassed for the next year as Nirvana went on to global domination. I felt so mainstream! - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:09:03 -0500 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Crankier Than Eb? You Make the Call. I just HAVE to mention this-- our very own Allen B. Ruch is officially a letter-writin' crank! His letter to the editor ("More Than a Toe") is in the February 28 issue of TIME MAGAZINE! (It's the one with GW Bush on the cover) It's online at: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/articles/0,3266,39589-3,00.html lj ******************************** LJ Lindhurst White Rabbit Graphic Design http://www.w-rabbit.com NYC ljl@w-rabbit.com ******************************** "My dreams all involve combing my hair." --Principal Skinner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:12:29 -0800 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: PAF: very short geekoid note from a geekoid of average height P.A.F. used as a three-letter legal acronym for Patend Applied For. Musically, one day, the expression diluted to "Paf" for a pickup that Gibson made, which was a warm-sounding, not so high-output thingy that they put in some of their guitars. A lot of companies have been making replacement pafs ever since, so I guess the patent was not granted, since the technology had pre-existed and they were probably trying to patent a sound- I dunno... It is, of course, not like Mr. Hitchcock to say something about anything so geeky/techy as a guitar pickup, so I think I'm with Mr. 3 at least on the "fetish," the animal, vegetable, or planet is up for further discussion. I don't think I've heard the song in question. aside- I caught a few minutes (uh) of 10th kingdom. The prince guy was trying very hard to be like our own Michael Wolfe. He didn't quite succeed, but, hey, he gets points for trying. Probably did better than I could have. Hope you are all doing splendiferously swell, - -markg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:09:02 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: a bad case of history? I've always hated myself for missing an easy chance to see Nirvana around 1989, in a Long Beach club which held about 200 people. I *really* wanted to go to the show, but I was headed up to San Francisco for the Gavin Report convention on the day before the show. I got to San Francisco, and discovered that Nirvana had played a small club in *San Francisco* a couple of days before I arrived. I had managed to neatly dodge both shows. (I *did* see the Pixies in that same Long Beach club, quite awhile before they hit the mainstream.) I finally saw Nirvana awhile later, when they *still* weren't superstars. That was in 1991...Nevermind was either brand-spanking-new, or just about to be released. How's this for a triple bill? Dinosaur Jr. at the Hollywood Palladium, with Nirvana *and* Hole as the opening acts. Whew! I once read this was actually the night when Kurt and Courtney met for the first time, but I'm not entirely sure about that. I thought Nirvana blew Dinosaur Jr. off the stage, but I *hated* Hole...they definitely hadn't found their sound yet. Just a couple of months later, it was totally inconceivable that Nirvana could open for Dinosaur Jr. Never did get to see Nirvana again. Several million records later, there was a huge show around New Year's at the Forum, with the Butthole Surfers (and Tad, I think?) opening. I was really disappointed that I didn't get to go, because I had done a feature on the Surfers and still wasn't given a ticket. I figured, "Oh well, there'll be another time." A few months later, Kurt was gone. Eb, who thinks "alternative" music would be in far healthier shape today, if KC was still alive ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:16:04 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Crankier Than Eb? You Make the Call. >I just HAVE to mention this-- our very own Allen B. Ruch is >officially a letter-writin' crank! >It's online at: >http://www.time.com/time/magazine/articles/0,3266,39589-3,00.html Why would he split hairs over Placido Domingo, when he could've laid into the *knitting* issue, instead? Eb, formidably cranky as usual ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:21:08 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: a bad case of history? On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Eb wrote: > I finally saw Nirvana awhile later, when they *still* weren't > superstars. That was in 1991...Nevermind was either > brand-spanking-new, or just about to be released. How's this for a > triple bill? Dinosaur Jr. at the Hollywood Palladium, with Nirvana > *and* Hole as the opening acts. Whew! At the Salem Armory in Salem, Oregon... some time in early 1991, I think. Red Hot Chili Peppers, Nirvana & Perl Jam. > I once read this was actually the night when Kurt and Courtney met > for the first time, but I'm not entirely sure about that. Kurt & Courtney knew each other from the Portland music scene. They met at a hard rock club here called Satyricon. She was a junky fan and he was a junky musician. She used to live in this apartment building I used to live in. There are lots of stories of her trying to jump out the windows to her death. Who knows. > I thought Nirvana blew Dinosaur Jr. off the stage, but I *hated* > Hole...they definitely hadn't found their sound yet. Just a couple > of months later, it was totally inconceivable that Nirvana could > open for Dinosaur Jr. A couple of years later, it was inconceivable that the three bands I mentioned would play Salem, Oregon at all. And any one of those bands could sell out any arena in the country. At least at that time. > Eb, who thinks "alternative" music would be in far healthier shape today, > if KC was still alive I doubt it. When the popularity came, the decline into mass appeal came with it. Not really an alternative to anything, J. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 16:38:15 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Dignan's all over the world. Or so it seems. Ok, I just have to ask, I just have to ask; I know I must have missed a memo or a Feg gathering, or just possibly missed a simple email, but: James Dignan, what's with the flags? Are they real flags? Imaginary flags? Computer flags? Little colored pieces of paper stuck to a cocktail toothpick? Or have you never mentioned this at all, and just started going on about flags, wondering which Feg would finally say, "OK, I just have to ask...."? Now flying, the Spanish flag, in honor of Placido Domingo. . . . - --Quail +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society, Kibroth-hattaavah Branch) For fun with postmodern literature, New York vampires, and Fegmania, visit Sarnath: http://www.rpg.net/quail "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 16:40:38 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: a bad case of history? On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Capuchin wrote: > > Eb, who thinks "alternative" music would be in far healthier shape today, > > if KC was still alive > > I doubt it. When the popularity came, the decline into mass appeal came > with it. in one of the last interviews cobain gave, he made what i thought was an incredibly provocative statement. he said (paraphrasing) that there was more good album of songs in the loud/soft nirvana mode, but that the formula was beginning to stifle him, and after the next album, he'd have to try something completely different. i'm still disappointed that we never got to hear what the different something would've turned out to be. ...then again, he was also reportedly talking about a collaboration w/m. stipe, which could've been flat dreadful...but on the other hand, that might've saved the world from _monster_...hrm... - -- the amazingly giddy & ecstatic d., striving hard to be cranky and failing miserably. hey, all the indie rock darlings in dc will be at the black cat thursday for flin-flon's last show. but you're above that, aren't you? come see us and the new leaner licoln brigade instead. n.p. tommy womack _stubborn_ - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 16:17:24 -0700 From: hal brandt Subject: Re: PAF: very short geekoid note from a geekoid of average height Mark_Gloster wrote: > > P.A.F. used as a three-letter legal acronym for Patend Applied For. > Musically, one day, the expression diluted to "Paf" for a pickup that > Gibson made... > It is, of course, not like Mr. Hitchcock to say something about > anything so geeky/techy as a guitar pickup, so I think I'm with Mr. 3 > at least on the "fetish," the animal, vegetable, or planet is up for > further discussion. But again, it is like Robyn to draw cartoons with sound-effect word balloons. PAF! sure seems like one of those. /hal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:27:50 -0500 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: the sensational Spice Girls v the midget Macca Re: what was said about the Spice Girls Lifetime Achievement Award at the Brits foregoing... There was an article in the NME a couple of weeks ago reporting the 'Brats' ceremony (NME's gala night) at which Pauly picked an award on behalf of The Beatles as best band ever (that must have been a close vote...). He said that he had been told that he was to receive the Lifetime etc. award at the Brits, but informed the organisers that he had a prior engagement that evening - accordingly they gave the trophy to the Spices....Que?????!!!!! jmbc P.S. Nitpickers corner. RH's pal John Hegley hails from that crudhole Luton, not Bristol. He rhymes it with crouton in one memorable poem. He's on at the Bloomsbury Theatre, London until the 14th for anyone who wants a thoroughly good time. P.P.S. R.I.P Chris Balderstone. Now there's an obscure one.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 23:24:29 -0600 From: steve Subject: The shit rockstars have to put up with http://nt3.register.com/nico03/ On the other hand, this woman *did* get Fripp to pose for a flash photo. - - Steve _______________ We're all Jesus, Buddha, and the Wizard of Oz! - Andy Partridge ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #59 ******************************