From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #47 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, February 24 2000 Volume 09 : Number 047 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: More far-flung Robyn travel [Capuchin ] slags, etc. [dmw ] Re:hey you comic-book disciples.. [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Di] You got arms, you got legs [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Christina Aguilera????? [Eb ] Re: You got arms, you got legs [Jon Fetter ] Re: hey you comic-book disciples... ["Stewart C. Russell" ] [0% RH] web version of "What a Life!" ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Christina Aguilera????? [Capuchin ] Re: Christina Aguilera????? [hal brandt ] Re: Christina Aguilera????? [Capuchin ] MP3s and DVDs, oh, my! ["Thomas, Ferris" ] RE: MP3s and DVDs, oh, my! ["Thomas, Ferris" ] RE: MP3s and DVDs, oh, my! [Aaron Mandel ] Re: Christina Aguilera? [Eb ] RE: MP3s and DVDs, oh, my! ["Thomas, Ferris" ] Re: comic-book - a retraction from Charles Vess [jill@naxs.com (Jill Sund] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:05:31 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: More far-flung Robyn travel On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, chris franz wrote: > "I'm going to file a battery charge!" Oh, man. What a night! Oh dear! Yesterday I ordered a NiMH battery charger and it's going to be delivered tomorrow. Do you think it could be...? Some leather-faced wannabe-teen Angelista in a Scripps College sweatshirt from the National Institute of Mental Health claiming I man-handled her? Nah... but I'm not taking any chances. I'm never going back to LA... and it's not for fear of a warrant. J. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:41:29 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: slags, etc. On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, brian nupp wrote: > I've got a pair of Slates. They are great slacks. Lucky Robyn probably got a > few pairs for free. > Brian > > >Subject: Poor Robyn... > >Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:24:35 -0500 > > > >Poor Robyn that he had to perform to such an audience - can you imagine? > >Slates? Men's clothing? uh boy..... > > >insiders and Hollywood fuck-heads sponsored by Spin and Slates > > >(a men's clothing brand). It was nauseating, and we had to wait > > >in line outside while this corporate blowjob was taking place. ...i can't be the only one wanting to crank up my "skinny rat" guitar and amplifier, now, can i? i trust no others.... perhaps obscurely, - -- d. n.p. frith & kaiser _friends & enemies_ (i'm rescinding the whee! for helicopter string quartet, btw -- it doesn't hold up well on repeated listening, and the vocalizations strike me as a major gaffe) - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 16:47:31 +0100 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re:hey you comic-book disciples.. The Oxford Dicvtionary of Modern Slang lists "Nuff Said" as datinng from 1840 at least, and also adds that it is A,merican in origin. Oh, and apologies for any typos, The joys of working on a computer linked up for a vision experiment - I can't actually see the screen whilke I'm typing today! James toiday's flag - Estonia - horizontal white, black, light blue(It's their national day) James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:04:10 +0100 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: You got arms, you got legs >At 2:19 PM +1300 2/23/00, James Dignan wrote: >>but not floor polish. As far as I know, there are no Polish desert islands >>(except possibly off the coast near Gdansk). > >I once took a ferry to the tip of a little spit of land off Gdansk. It's a >small village and Baltic beach called Hel. > >So you could say I've been to Hel and back... ...and, on my recent trip round the North Island, I went to a place called "Hell's Gate". Later in the year, if I get the chance, I want to travel inland tfrom here to the settlement of Paradise... James PS - I'm pertforming at the University's orientation week this year, and the bio of me in the ori mag seems to be largely culled from the interview in the Glass Hotel. Thus,m it seems to talk about Robyn as much as it does about me... Weird. James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:14:30 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Christina Aguilera????? 'Nuff said! Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 01:43:58 -0500 From: Jon Fetter Subject: Re: You got arms, you got legs >>At 2:19 PM +1300 2/23/00, James Dignan wrote: >>>but not floor polish. As far as I know, there are no Polish desert islands >>>(except possibly off the coast near Gdansk). >> >>I once took a ferry to the tip of a little spit of land off Gdansk. It's a >>small village and Baltic beach called Hel. >> >>So you could say I've been to Hel and back... > >...and, on my recent trip round the North Island, I went to a place called >"Hell's Gate". Later in the year, if I get the chance, I want to travel >inland tfrom here to the settlement of Paradise... In Lancaster Co., Pennsylvania, locals always love to say you've got to go through Intercourse to get to Paradise. Except for the Amish. Maybe. Jon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:22:57 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: hey you comic-book disciples... Christopher Gross wrote: > > On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, Eb wrote: > > > Someone on Usenet claims that Stan Lee coined the phrase "'Nuff said." True? > > Nope. I've seen it used in a poster printed circa 1905. > I think they spelled it "Nuf Sed," if that matters. While I can't find any dated references (someone's hidden our historical slang dictionaries), being c. 1905 would fit in with "country" spellings, a form of humour common around the turn of the 19th-20th century. About the only form of this humour you might be able to track down today is the writer Artemus Ward, most famous for his phrase "NB: this is rote satirikul.". A very amusing and much under-rated writer. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:50:05 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: UK: where is SfB? Anyone got theirs yet? It'd better arrive before Eels's "Daisies Of The Galaxy", else it won't get a proper listening for a month or so. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:56:20 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: [0% RH] web version of "What a Life!" I've done a web version of Lucas & Morrow's out-of-print classic "What A Life!". This is a fake autobiography, illustrated by pictures cut out from the 1911 Whiteley's General Catalogue. Tha Dadaists loved it, the Surrealists lived by it -- now you can experience it: http://homepages.enterprise.net/scruss/wal/ It's a preliminary version; everything seems to work, there are some typos, and I guess I really should learn about floating objects in CSS... but enjoy. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:39:00 -0500 From: jill@naxs.com (Jill Sunderlin) Subject: Re: hey you comic-book disciples... >> On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, Eb wrote: >> >> > Someone on Usenet claims that Stan Lee coined the phrase "'Nuff said." >>True? >> >> Nope. I've seen it used in a poster printed circa 1905. > >> I think they spelled it "Nuf Sed," if that matters. I work for the fantasy illustrator Charles Vess, who in the eighties drew some of the Spiderman comics, and knows/knew Stan Lee (I have no idea if he is alive or not, Charles seemed to be talking about him in the past tense). When I asked Charles about this yesterday he said he didn't recognise the phrase "'nuff said" at all. Charles did, however, then reel off a whole lot of other phrases that he said Stan Lee coined and for which he became known. jill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:00:24 -0700 From: hal brandt Subject: Re: Christina Aguilera????? Eb wrote: > > 'Nuff said! Having never heard her 'music', I will say that Aguilera's acceptance speech, ditzy as it was, was the only honest emotion displayed the whole evening ("Oh my God, you guys!") and at least she trounced that Mouseketeer Britney Spears. Other thoughts on the Grammys: Santana's stumbling card reading was as embarassing as Elton John's performance and hair. Kid Rock is horrible. The Dixie Chicks new song will probably inspire some trailer park crime, but I like Dennis Franz's toupee in the video. I would've loved to have seen Tom Waits' award televised. The musicians with the most talent the whole evening were the eleven and twelve year old kids playing jazz music. And, also in the words of Stan 'The Man' Lee, re: Jennifer Lopez's dress...Excelsior! /hal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:20:08 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Christina Aguilera????? On Thu, 24 Feb 2000, hal brandt wrote: > Having never heard her 'music', I will say that Aguilera's acceptance > speech, ditzy as it was, was the only honest emotion displayed the whole > evening ("Oh my God, you guys!") and at least she trounced that > Mouseketeer Britney Spears. You realize that Christina Aguilera was ALSO a Mouseketeer, yes? As were about four other current pop teen icons. Once they get a well-pedicured foot in the door... J. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:35:36 -0700 From: hal brandt Subject: Re: Christina Aguilera????? Capuchin wrote: > > You realize that Christina Aguilera was ALSO a Mouseketeer, yes? > > As were about four other current pop teen icons. No, I hadn't realized there was a battle of the Mousketeers between Christina and Britney. The last group of Mousketeers I was all that familiar with were Annette, Cubby, et. al. (including everyone's fave Senior Mousketeer, the enigmatic Roy.) /hal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:01:36 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Christina Aguilera????? On Thu, 24 Feb 2000, hal brandt wrote: > No, I hadn't realized there was a battle of the Mousketeers between > Christina and Britney. If there's one thing Mouseketeering has taught us, it's that cute kids can grow into creepy looking adults (and semi-adults). J. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:57:59 -0500 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: MP3s and DVDs, oh, my! Hello, all. I saw something that caught my eye this afternoon. Not in the way a fishhook might, but in a nice, gentle "come take a gander at me" way. I don't know if anyone's heard of it (or, indeed, if anyone has any interest) but I saw a demo of a DVD player that did some nifty little things. There's a company called Apex makes a DVD player which, in addition to playing DVD movies, will also play MP3 cds. Anyone who's been stockpiling MP3s can burn them onto CD-Rs (and CD-RWs) and play them over this thing. When I was looking at it the fella put in a disc of, I think, 8 CDs worth of MP3s and hit shuffle. The thing sounded like a charm. It won't let you fast forward through a track like a standard CD player, unfortunately. There's a review of it here: http://www.ugeek.com/hwswrev/conel/apex600a/apex600a.htm#return1 ______________________________________ Ferris Scott Thomas programmer McGraw-Hill Technology Division Farmington, CT 06032 860.409.2612 869.677.5405 (fax) mailto:ferris_thomas@mcgraw-hill.com (work) mailto:ferris@snet.net (home) Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. --Benjamin Franklin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:06:29 -0500 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: RE: MP3s and DVDs, oh, my! I forgot to mention that the thing sells for $170 through Circuit City. Ugh. Off to a meeting I go. Misery..... > -----Original Message----- > Subject: MP3s and DVDs, oh, my! > > > Hello, all. > > I saw something that caught my eye this afternoon. Not in the way a > fishhook might, but in a nice, gentle "come take a gander at me" way. > > I don't know if anyone's heard of it (or, indeed, if anyone has any > interest) but I saw a demo of a DVD player that did some nifty little > things. > > There's a company called Apex makes a DVD player which, in addition to > playing DVD movies, will also play MP3 cds. Anyone who's > been stockpiling > MP3s can burn them onto CD-Rs (and CD-RWs) and play them over > this thing. > When I was looking at it the fella put in a disc of, I think, > 8 CDs worth of > MP3s and hit shuffle. The thing sounded like a charm. It > won't let you > fast forward through a track like a standard CD player, unfortunately. > > There's a review of it here: > http://www.ugeek.com/hwswrev/conel/apex600a/apex600a.htm#return1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:08:40 -0500 From: Eric Loehr Subject: Re: hey you comic-book disciples... At 10:39 AM 2/24/00 -0500, Jill Sunderlin wrote: >I work for the fantasy illustrator Charles Vess, who in the eighties drew >some of the Spiderman comics, and knows/knew Stan Lee (I have no idea if he >is alive or not, Charles seemed to be talking about him in the past tense). >When I asked Charles about this yesterday he said he didn't recognise the >phrase "'nuff said" at all. Charles did, however, then reel off a whole lot >of other phrases that he said Stan Lee coined and for which he became >known. > >jill I definitely remember "nuff said" being used frequently in Marvel comics (late 50's? early 60's?). There was a section in the back of the comic with letters to the editor, or comments from the editor, or something like that - -- and I'm pretty sure that it was Stan Lee writing -- "nuff said" was often the end of a comment, and if you (the letter writer) said something he liked, you could win a "no-prize". Having said all that, Stan most definitely didn't originate the phrase; here's the relevant entry -- definition and usage quotes -- from the second edition of the Oxford English Dictionary on compact disc (hey, I'm a systems librarian): 1. a. nuff said, an indication that nothing more need be said on a particular topic. Also nuf(f) ced, nuf(f) sed, abbrev. N.C., N.S. 1840 Ninawah (Peru, Ill.) Gaz. 20 June 2/3 ‘N.S. (Nuff said,)’ whispered Mr. Fox. 1841 Spirit of Times 30 Oct. 409/1 ‘N.S., nuf sed’, and up went the soap. 1873 Hotten Slang Dict. 235 N.C., ‘enough said’, being the initials of Nuf ced. A certain theatrical manager spells, it is said, in this style. 1882 Sydney Slang Dict. 6/2 N.C., ‘Nuff Ced’, enough said. Thea. origin. 1892 J. C. Duval Young Explorers 151 ‘Nuf ced,’ says Bill, ‘you jess take care of your own har, and I’ll see arter mine.’ 1909 J. R. Ware Passing Eng. 184 Nuf ced (From America). Contraction of ‘enough said’–absurdly spelt. Warning to say no more. Used in Liverpool chiefly. 1912 Pedagogical Seminary XIX. 97 [Expressions of] Negation and denial..’nuff said. 1942 N. Balchin Darkness falls from Air xiv. 234 ‘All right,’ he said. ‘’Nuff said.’ 1958 Spectator 30 May 677/2 Mr. Randall is one of the newer members; ’nuff said. 1965 M. Spark Mandelbaum Gate vi. 164, I hope the food..is not unwholesome. How well I remember those weeks following your return from Spain... ‘Nuff said’! 1971 J. Aitken Nightly Deadshade v. 49 ‘He and Steinherz knew one another at university before they were here.’ ’Nuff said, I suppose. 'Nuff said! Eric "oh, no I've said too much" Loehr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:50:51 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: RE: MP3s and DVDs, oh, my! On Thu, 24 Feb 2000, Thomas, Ferris wrote: > I forgot to mention that the thing sells for $170 through Circuit City. Has anyone heard anything *bad* about it? Seems too good to be true. aaron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:27:15 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Christina Aguilera? The two best parts of the Grammys, for me: 1. Whitney Houston flipping off Rosie O., whose catty, bigoted comments put a sour spin on the entire evening. (Presumably, Rosie's highly unprofessional swipes at Whitney, Kid Rock, Puff Daddy, Jennifer Lopez, etc. will ensure that this solipsistic tub o' goo won't ever be asked to host the show again. Not to mention her *closing the show* with telling everyone to go buy Macy Gray's CD. Hey, guess what, Rosie? No one cares which artists you personally like or don't like. Really!) 2. Hearing Bob Dylan intone the words "Backstreet Boys." Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 15:42:22 -0500 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: RE: MP3s and DVDs, oh, my! As I said, when I saw it the thing worked really well. If the review's to be believed then the DVD side of the player works great as well. It also had a few cool little add-ons that aren't (I don't think) mentioned in the review. When navigating through the menus there's options to shut off both the country code checking (which prevents you from playing a Euro DVD on an American player) and the copy protect which would affect copies of the disc made by jacking a VCR into the back of the player. > -----Original Message----- > From: Aaron Mandel [mailto:aaron@eecs.harvard.edu] > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 2:51 PM > To: Thomas, Ferris > Cc: the oracle > Subject: RE: MP3s and DVDs, oh, my! > > > On Thu, 24 Feb 2000, Thomas, Ferris wrote: > > > I forgot to mention that the thing sells for $170 through > Circuit City. > > Has anyone heard anything *bad* about it? Seems too good to be true. > > aaron > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:44:30 -0800 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: Christina Aguilera? >The two best parts of the Grammys, for me: >1. Whitney Houston flipping off Rosie O., whose catty, bigoted comments put >a sour spin on the entire evening. (Presumably, Rosie's highly >unprofessional swipes at Whitney, Kid Rock, Puff Daddy, Jennifer Lopez, >etc. will ensure that this solipsistic tub o' goo won't ever be asked to >host the show again. Not to mention her *closing the show* with telling >everyone to go buy Macy Gray's CD. Hey, guess what, Rosie? No one cares >which artists you personally like or don't like. Really!) Eb, seriously, you have to be the king of irony. You totally crack me up. >2. Hearing Bob Dylan intone the words "Backstreet Boys." I think I'm glad I missed them. This might have caused me some sort of infarction. At least it's a good word. Shut out again, - -Markg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:39:31 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: MP3s and DVDs, oh, my! On Thu, 24 Feb 2000, Thomas, Ferris wrote: > There's a company called Apex makes a DVD player which, in addition to > playing DVD movies, will also play MP3 cds. Anyone who's been stockpiling > MP3s can burn them onto CD-Rs (and CD-RWs) and play them over this thing. > When I was looking at it the fella put in a disc of, I think, 8 CDs worth of > MP3s and hit shuffle. The thing sounded like a charm. It won't let you > fast forward through a track like a standard CD player, unfortunately. > There's a review of it here: > http://www.ugeek.com/hwswrev/conel/apex600a/apex600a.htm#return1 My friend Gary bought one of these a couple of months ago (OK... mid January?) right after it appeared on Slashdot. try the info page at: http://www.nerd-out.com/apex/ A few important notes on what this player does with MP3. It will only shuffle files in the one directory you're in. You can't put different albums in different directories and expect it to shuffle between albums. Some users have reported audio sync problems when watching DVDs. This is a very small handful of users and definitely falls into Warranty territory (as in, if this happens, take it back). THE MOST IMPORTANT NOTE however, is that the manufacturer "forgot" to disable the country code by-pass mechanism. See, DVDs are divided into regions that the DVDCCA says are for copyright protection, but actually just allow better control for the MPAA to prevent distribution of videos worldwide and jack up release prices outside the US. In New Zealand such protectionism is illegal and I'm not sure what course is being followed there. It has been said that later releases of this model have a slightly modified ROM and users have been unable to de-active the DVD region settings. A conversation with an Apex technician was interesting. He obviously was bound by a non-disclosure policy. "Unfortunately the region settings can still be de-activated. The menu's still there." I guess you just have to look harder for it. If I were to buy a DVD player, this would be the one. The problem is, of course, that I'm not going to give money to the DVDCCA. So the only DVD player I'm going to have is one in my PC and I'm not buying any software to play their dumb encrypted movies. That's a whole ball of wax I don't want to get into right here (actually, I DO want to get into it, but I know you don't want me to, so I leave it there). And yes, most Circuit City stores have it for $169. They often don't have it on the shelf, so have the number handy. And they tried to bait and switch us when Gary bought his two, so act like you know exactly what you want. Personally, I'd find an independent distributor or buy directly from the manufacturer if that's possible. ( I have no sales contact info. ) I can answer most any question about any of the above privately or publicly as the asker sees fit. J. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:53:41 -0500 From: jill@naxs.com (Jill Sunderlin) Subject: Re: comic-book - a retraction from Charles Vess re: my previous post When I got into the studio today the first thing Charles said to me was that he must have been out of his mind yesterday (he had had the flu for five days) when he told me he didn't remember Stan Lee having anything to do with "nuff said." He said it definitely was Stan who popularized the phrase. Charles dated it to 1961 along with giving me a history of the comic book artist as a personality. I told him that I was never going to ask him a question again and post it to a group without having let it settle a few days to make sure he knew what he was telling me. jill ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #47 ******************************