From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #45 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, February 22 2000 Volume 09 : Number 045 Today's Subjects: ----------------- hey you comic-book disciples... [Eb ] Re: hey you comic-book disciples... [Terrence Marks ] Re: hey you comic-book disciples... [Eb ] Re: hey you comic-book disciples... ["JH3" ] Re: hey you comic-book disciples... [fartachu ] Storefront on DVD ["Matt Browne" ] the arms of love [fartachu ] can you spell "intervention"? [Eb ] Re: hey you comic-book disciples... [Christopher Gross [Eb ] Re: Riccarton to New Brighton, Belfast to Hoon Hay ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: That Mexican God Moment... ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: hey you comic-book disciples... [Tom Clark ] just deserts ["J. Katherine Rossner" ] not fascinating...mearly interesting [Ken Ostrander ] Re: just deserts ["JH3" ] fegCELEBRITY! ["Faecal Emergency" ] Re: fegCELEBRITY! [Vivien Lyon ] on-topic?! ["J. Katherine Rossner" ] Re: just deserts [Eric Loehr ] RE: Storefront DVD [mrrunion@palmnet.net] Re: hey you comic-book disciples... [Eb ] Re: hey you comic-book disciples... [MARKEEFE@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 13:26:00 -0800 From: Eb Subject: hey you comic-book disciples... Someone on Usenet claims that Stan Lee coined the phrase "'Nuff said." True? Eb, who once had a letter printed in Tower Records' Pulse magazine calling for a future ban on all "Desert Island Discs" entries which defended album choices with the above phrase (what's more, the magazine actually took my advice! ;)) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:39:06 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: hey you comic-book disciples... On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, Eb wrote: > Someone on Usenet claims that Stan Lee coined the phrase "'Nuff said." True? I don't know if he coined the phrase, but in comic-dom, it's associated with him (rather in the same way "Truth, Justice and the American Way" is associated with Superman). So if he didn't make it up, he sucessfully co-opted it from whoever did. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:43:40 -0500 From: fartachu Subject: Re: hey you comic-book disciples... when we last left our heroes, Eb exclaimed: >Someone on Usenet claims that Stan Lee coined the phrase "'Nuff said." True? disciple i am not, but it was a comic books where i first saw the phrase. >Eb, who once had a letter printed in Tower Records' Pulse magazine calling >for a future ban on all "Desert Island Discs" entries which defended album >choices with the above phrase (what's more, the magazine actually took my >advice! ;)) how about a ban on desert island discs in general. ugh. woj n.p. loud family -- attractive nuisance (just picked it up from a local store which often sells things before the official release date; my conversation with the owner went like this: "i didn't know this was released already." "it isn't. it's comes out tomorrow." "not for me it doesn't!") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 13:58:35 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: hey you comic-book disciples... >>Eb, who once had a letter printed in Tower Records' Pulse magazine calling >>for a future ban on all "Desert Island Discs" entries which defended album >>choices with the above phrase (what's more, the magazine actually took my >>advice! ;)) > >how about a ban on desert island discs in general. ugh. Pulse used to print much longer DID entries, where folks submitted a couple of sentences defending/praising each of their choices. Nowadays, the thinner, sleeker, glossy version of the mag prints strict top 10s, with no justification included. Not interested to read, anymore. I had a DID list printed there, *years* ago. I mean, we're talking like late '80s. Makes me cringe, now. ;) Eb Ehhh List#1 of Y2000: Boss Hog, the Vue, Tara Jane O'Neil, Arling & Cameron, Seely, Rollins Band, Josh Rouse, Supreme Beings of Leisure, Beachwood Sparks, Trembling Blue Stars, the Dirty Three, the Handsome Family, Jagged Edge, the Mekons, Morphine, "Snow Day" soundtrack, Bad Livers, Sonique, Sumack, the Makers, Lox, Broadcast, the Busy Signals, the Jupiter Affect, "The Next Best Thing" soundtrack, Six by Seven, Modest Mouse, Pedro the Lion ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 15:53:31 -0600 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: hey you comic-book disciples... >>...calling for a future ban on all "Desert Island Discs" entries >>which defended album choices with the above phrase... >how about a ban on desert island discs in general. ugh. Personally, I think we should ban desert islands themselves. I mean, what's the f$@%#$ing point? All they do is provide people lost at sea with a false hope of somehow being miraculously recovered by some passing ship, when everyone knows that most sailors don't give a hooey about shipwreck survivors in the first place. What's more, they're an "attractive nuisance" in that they encourage various French and American nuclear bomb designers to test their latest "projects" out on them, which usually results in some nasty damage to the island at best, and at worst, 200-ft. tall radioactive dinosaurs whose first impulse is always to go and attack Tokyo or New York or some other town where life is probably bad enough already. Either that, or they attract people like Marlon Brando to go live on them, which is pretty much the same thing. OK, I'm through with my little rant. I just had to get that off my chest... 'Nuff said! John H. Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 17:20:23 -0500 From: fartachu Subject: Re: hey you comic-book disciples... when we last left our heroes, JH3 exclaimed: >OK, I'm through with my little rant. I just had to get that off my chest... >'Nuff said! in spades! +w ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 22:23:53 +0000 From: "Matt Browne" Subject: Storefront on DVD Does anyone have the Storefront DVD catalogue details? Has it been released in the US only? Are there any 'special features' on it? Cheers! - -- Matt Browne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 17:28:04 -0500 From: fartachu Subject: the arms of love i was just cruising cdnow (don't worry, michael -- i wasn't buying anything!) and discovered that "the arms of love" can be purchased as a downloadable single! (oy!) it's only available in the liquid audio format. (ugh!) if you're curious: http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/itemid=1128270 woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 15:21:05 -0800 From: Eb Subject: can you spell "intervention"? http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=176430355/pagename=/RP/ALLSTAR/article. html/fid=191791 Pathetic/sad/frustrating/angering. How much longer can he stay breathing, unless someone does something drastic? Eb (now that I think about it, I called for a ban not only on "'Nuff said" but "Need I say more?" as well) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 22:37:26 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: hey you comic-book disciples... On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, Eb wrote: > Someone on Usenet claims that Stan Lee coined the phrase "'Nuff said." True? Nope. I've seen it used in a poster printed circa 1905. Stan Lee might have been the first to use it in a published book/periodical, though. Maybe tomorrow I'll hobble over to Reference and check the OED and a few slang dictionaries. - --Chris SOURCE: Personal observation. Apparently it was once traditional for Penn State sophomore classes to make and distribute posters warning the new freshmen of dire paddle-related consequences for failing to wear their freshman beanies, etc. A bar located conveniently across the street from a Friday afternoon Russian class I took had a collection of these posters, and I distinctly recall at least once that used the phrase. I think they spelled it "Nuf Sed," if that matters. ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 22:55:10 -0800 From: Eb Subject: OK, so it has been announced that Bob Dylan has been newly recruited as a Grammy presenter this year. Pardon me, while I picture Dylan handing the Best Contemporary Folk Grammy to Tom Waits. Wow...it really could happen! Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 08:40:11 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Riccarton to New Brighton, Belfast to Hoon Hay James Dignan wrote: > > > BTW, what is the correct, NZ pronunciation of "Christchurch?" > > exactly what you'd expect it to be. Some of my rellies pronounce it "krisst-ch'ch", but they're from Oz, so what would they know? Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 08:42:42 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: That Mexican God Moment... Jon Fetter wrote: > > >it out on the sleeping residents of Kirkintilloch, a town I live in and > >you can't pronounce. > Isn't that Spock's real name? No, I think that's either Twechar, Bonkle or Auchinshuggle*, depending on what day it is. Stewart (I was off work yesterday, and I missed the only bit of excitement ever had here. Part of the building caught fire.) *: real places in Scotland. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 08:45:46 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: missed Percy, again According to NTK now, 2000-02-18 (http://www.ntk.net/), UK fegs could have seen "Percy" at 12:25am on BBC1 last Friday. I would have alerted you, but I don't get the Friday e-mail until Monday. How tarsome. Au reservoir, Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:01:38 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: hey you comic-book disciples... On 2/21/2000 1:53 PM, JH3 wrote: >Personally, I think we should ban desert islands themselves. I mean, what's >the f$@%#$ing point? And aren't they actually *deserted* islands? I mean, when you think of being stranded on an island after a shipwreck, is the island just a flat slab of sand, i.e., a desert? Or is it a lush tropical place with palm trees and waterfalls and Leo DiCaprio running around half naked? Er, make that Brooke Shields... Anyway, my pirnt is that somewhere along the line, after Stan Lee coined the phrase "Deserted Island", it got mangled into "Desert Island", and I don't think we should stand for it. Costa Rica makes the best coffee, - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 13:16:09 -0500 From: "J. Katherine Rossner" Subject: just deserts At 10:01 AM 2/22/00 -0800, Tom Clark wrote: >And aren't they actually *deserted* islands? Yes. > Or is it a lush tropical place with palm >trees and waterfalls and Leo DiCaprio running around half naked? Er, >make that Brooke Shields... Not Brooke Shields...maybe Andre Agassi, if we're thinking along those lines. (Not DiCaprio, certainly. Ugh.) > Anyway, my pirnt is that somewhere along the >line, after Stan Lee coined the phrase "Deserted Island", it got mangled >into "Desert Island", and I don't think we should stand for it. Otherwise you're doing fine...but what leads you to think Stan Lee coined the phrase? I'm sure it's far older. "Desert" is an alternative past participle (all right, probably an archaic or obsolete one, since I never know what's current) equivalent in this case to "deserted". And elsewhere, of course, to "deserved". Katherine still playing TANGLEWOOD TREE (Dave Carter and Tracy Grammer) - -- Ye knowe ek, that in forme of speche is chaunge Withinne a thousand yere, and wordes tho That hadden pris, now wonder nyce and straunge Us thinketh hem, and yit they spake hem so. - Chaucer, "Troilus and Criseyde" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 13:40:14 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: not fascinating...mearly interesting >> >it out on the sleeping residents of Kirkintilloch, a town I live in and >> >you can't pronounce. >> >> Isn't that Spock's real name? > >No, I think that's either Twechar, Bonkle or Auchinshuggle*, depending >on what day it is. spock's real name is leonard nimoy. ;^) in the episode, 'this side of paradise' spock get sprayed with some spores and gets all happy and snuggly with doe eyed jill ireland. when kirk snaps him out of it he says his vulcan goodbye and she asks him what his first name is. his response, "you couldn't pronounce it." this is the only place in the series or the movies when his first name comes up. i haven't read the books; so i can't say whether or not someone gave him one. spock does get romantic with a romulan commander in 'the enterprise incident' and grooves with some space hippies in 'the way to eden'. of course, when he's in heat (pon far) he and kirk fight to the death in 'amok time'. ken "i'm gonna crack my knuckles and jump for joy i got a clean bill of health from dr. mccoy!" the kenster np the spinanes manos ps. anyone seen will shat doing his version of 'freebird'? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 12:46:17 -0600 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: just deserts >>And aren't they actually *deserted* islands? Come ON now, people! Surely there's room for compromise here? They're both deserts *and* deserted! I mean, if you're on a tiny island with just a couple of palm trees, it could still be called a "desert," I should think. Likewise, you might end up on an island owned by, say, Richard Branson, and populated with dozens of his (paying) guests, servants, and personal trainers, it isn't likely they're going to invite you to any of their formal dinner parties, is it? (Lowly shipwreck survivor that you are.) So it might as well be "deserted," too. >"Desert" is an alternative past participle (all right, probably an >archaic or obsolete one, since I never know what's current) >equivalent in this case to "deserted". Oh, okay. Never mind... About a year ago, someone misspelled "desert island" as "dessert island" on this very list and Bayard (of all people) made an issue of it. Or maybe it was Bayard himself, making an issue of his own typo... Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that this isn't a new thread by any means. What's more, I think it's very significant for Robyn Hitchcock fans in particular, since we all know that Robyn not only lives on an island, but he also tends to prefer them as a main course, and not as some sort of pudding. John "right arm" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:54:31 PST From: "Faecal Emergency" Subject: fegCELEBRITY! there's a cool picture of mr. d. derosa on page 25 of the jan./feb. 2000 ish of Multinational Monitor. that is all. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:08:47 -0800 (PST) From: Vivien Lyon Subject: Re: fegCELEBRITY! - --- Faecal Emergency wrote: > > there's a cool picture of mr. d. derosa on page 25 of the > jan./feb. 2000 ish > of Multinational Monitor. Oh, that's just cuz his good buddy Charlie Cray is the Assistant Editor. Vivien __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:11:38 -0500 From: "J. Katherine Rossner" Subject: on-topic?! Brief review of RH at the Zodiac, Oxford: http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/users/sdb/flyinshoes/hitchcock.htm Short, not well-written, and in a folk webzine, but if anybody's interested... Katherine - -- Ye knowe ek, that in forme of speche is chaunge Withinne a thousand yere, and wordes tho That hadden pris, now wonder nyce and straunge Us thinketh hem, and yit they spake hem so. - Chaucer, "Troilus and Criseyde" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:49:30 -0500 From: Eric Loehr Subject: Re: just deserts At 12:46 PM 2/22/00 -0600, JH3 wrote: >>>And aren't they actually *deserted* islands? > >Come ON now, people! Surely there's room for compromise here? >They're both deserts *and* deserted! They're a dessert topping *and* a floor wax! Eric "Johnson's chocolate mousse Kleer Loehr ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 13:11:32 -0800 From: mrrunion@palmnet.net Subject: RE: Storefront DVD Hmmm. So does this mean the DVD has been released? I'm sure a lot of us have ordered from Amazon and such places, and my order hasn't shipped yet. I'm still seeing the 2/29 date most places on the web. Also, has anyone actually viewed this Circuit mag? I see it's available from Amazon...just wondering about the details, length, song list, etc. Mike (who bought his first DVD player this weekend) >I was in a used CD store last week and picked up a >copy of Storefront on DVD. But, while I was there, >I also got a DVD magazine called Circuit that has Robyn >Hitchcock performing live in a Burbank parking lot. I >don't have a DVD player, so I haven't watched it yet. - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 13:13:32 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: hey you comic-book disciples... >And aren't they actually *deserted* islands? I mean, when you think of >being stranded on an island after a shipwreck, is the island just a flat >slab of sand, i.e., a desert? Anyway, my pirnt is that somewhere along the >line, after Stan Lee coined the phrase "Deserted Island", it got mangled >into "Desert Island", and I don't think we should stand for it. Yeah, I've had the same objection for ages. The whole basis of making such a list of favorite discs is that you'd be forcibly *stranded* with those albums for the rest of your life. "Desert island" only describes the terrain of the island, not its isolation. I almost breeched this topic myself yesterday, but decided it would be too anal. ;) (And I don't buy the "alternate past participle" explanation.) Eb, who's really fed up with the word "brainchild," too ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 18:07:00 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: hey you comic-book disciples... In a message dated 2/22/00 1:14:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, gondola@deltanet.com writes: << Yeah, I've had the same objection for ages. The whole basis of making such a list of favorite discs is that you'd be forcibly *stranded* with those albums for the rest of your life. "Desert island" only describes the terrain of the island, not its isolation. I almost breeched this topic myself yesterday, but decided it would be too anal. ;) (And I don't buy the "alternate past participle" explanation.) >> Yeah, it should definitely be deserted island. I agree thta the terrain isn't so important. To further nitpick, in this case specifically about the "desert(ed) island top 5 favorite albums" thing that people always bandy about (recklessly, goshdangit!), I think the five albums I'd most want to be stuck with on a deserted island would be much different from what I consider my five favorite albums in my collection. Those five favorites are at least slightly based on the fact that I can choose to listen to something else anytime I want, rather than listening to the same 5 damn albums every day. Yup, I'd deifnitely cut down on the dark, epic, concept album-type stuff that I have at the top of my favorites list. Who could listen to that crap all the time?! Not even I could. But "Pet Sounds" would definitely be one album that would make both of my top five lists (regular and deserted island) :-) - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #45 ******************************