From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #23 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, January 26 2000 Volume 09 : Number 023 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: One person's opinion is another person's.... [ultraconformist@ets.cnc] Re: Cheese Alarm Lyrics [Glen Uber ] Re: supertramp and oasis [Eb ] Re: Cheese Alarm Lyrics [Tom Clark ] Re: supertramp and oasis [Nur Gale ] Re: Cheese Alarm Lyrics [Glen Uber ] Re: Cheese Alarm Lyrics [Capuchin ] Re: One person's opinion is another person's.... [Vivien Lyon ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #22 [Patrick Cleasby ] re: Me & Opus & Justin & the hole [Stephen Buckalew ] Re: Scores ["matt sewell" ] Shameless Self-Promotional Plug - feel free to ignore (1% RH) ["Michael R] Re: Shameless Self-Promotional Plug - feel free to ignore (1% RH) [Michae] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 19:02:35 -0600 From: ultraconformist@ets.cncdsl.com Subject: Re: One person's opinion is another person's.... >was offensive. I think that's what James was responding to. When >a person offers an opinion, it behooves them to be able to >explain why they hold that opinion Actually, I'm not sure I agree with that. That -does- need an explanation :). (Please note that the following is a discussion of the general point and actually not meant as a direct address to Mr. Branscombe or Mr. Hadfield) What I mean to say is, I don't think holding an opinion de facto means I'm obligated to explain it to anyone who asks me about it. Particularly an opinion like "without merit". I mean, that sort of says it all about what my opinion is, doesn't it? One could go on and on and say "without merit, with no quality, nothing good about it" basically, saying "without merit" a hundred different ways, but is there a point to that? Asking someone to clarify "without merit" seems not only futile, but looks from my perspective like looking for a fight. I think also that a terse dismissal of that sort is not so much a statement to the effect that "all hip persons agree with me" as it is a really good indication that the person loathes whatever this SO much that they're really not interested in talking about it. To me that says "I'm not open to debating it". If I were to say (to use an example that's more likely a bit more universal) that I feel that "I Want It That Way" by the Backstreet Boys is without merit and really fucking annoying, and someone else were to say "define without merit" and "define annoying", I'd be really cranky too. If it's without merit or interest to me then do I really want to discuss it with someone who's raring for a debate over it? I mean, wouldn't I, hypothetically speaking, rather have my toenails pulled off by wild horses? >couldn't at least give one or two reasons why he finds those >bands without merit, he shouldn't have responded to James at >all. That response was admittedly far more cranky than the one I would have come up with. But frankly, I probably would have said something similar in a gentler way, making sure to include some sort of "in my opinion" disclaimer and generally handling it diplomatic-er, but meaning something kinda similar. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:02:33 -0800 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: Cheese Alarm Lyrics on 24.01.00 16:32, Tom Clark wrote: > Could someone direct me towards the lyrics to Cheese Alarm? > > thx, > -tc > Check the CD booklet. Cheers! - -g- "If music makes people do things, how come we don't all love each other?" - --Frank Zappa, addressing Tipper Gore at the PMRC hearings, 1986 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:17:47 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: supertramp and oasis >You're entitled to all of the opinions you can muster. But don't expect to >advance ones that are blatantly misinformed without rebuttal. It has nothing >to do with agreeing with me or not. To declare that Supertramp is without >merit is simply wrong, like it or no. Don't care if you appreciate the band, >their songs, or whatever. Next we'll have somebody make the claim that the >Beatles were "without merit." And if people respond that such a claim is >preposterous, will Susan once again save the day with her PC jibberish > >The attitudes expressed on shows like Springer typically indicate that >we've generally degraded in our thinking to the point where nobody's opinion >is right or wrong, that we can do as we want to, that they are no >consequences to our actions, that nobody can tell us what or how to think, >and that we can spew out opinions, however misinformed, and that some >so-called politically "correct" "liberal" will spring to the rescue of the >errant one, and proceed to character bash (see postscript {how quaint} >below) the individual who's made a legitimate and valid argument. Ugggggggggh...noxious fumes. Eb (how did I guess that a swipe at "liberals" would be forthcoming?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:34:28 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Cheese Alarm Lyrics On 1/24/2000 5:02 PM, Glen Uber wrote: >Check the CD booklet. Give me some credit Glen! The CD is at home and I'm at work! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:36:59 -0800 From: Nur Gale Subject: Re: supertramp and oasis Wait a minute!... back in my old jazz days of hanging out in greenwich village in the late 70s... i sat with the horn player and bassist from supertramp at the Vanguard.. .listening to a smoking Pharaoh Sanders gig. These guys were really into Sanders, Coltrane, Dolphy, Clifford Brown, et al. which i gotta given them credit for their musical tastes. nur np: Ketil Bjornstad w/ Terje Rypdal duet gig in Hamburg... now there's a guitarist for you!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:43:39 -0800 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: Cheese Alarm Lyrics on 24.01.00 17:34, Tom Clark wrote: > On 1/24/2000 5:02 PM, Glen Uber wrote: > >> Check the CD booklet. > > Give me some credit Glen! The CD is at home and I'm at work! Sorry, dude! I'm just getting in touch with my inner smart ass. Cheers! - -g- "If music makes people do things, how come we don't all love each other?" - --Frank Zappa, addressing Tipper Gore at the PMRC hearings, 1986 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:39:44 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Cheese Alarm Lyrics On Mon, 24 Jan 2000, Tom Clark wrote: > Could someone direct me towards the lyrics to Cheese Alarm? Of course, Tom. I've finally got what lyrics we have up at the new location of the lyric archive. So the answer to your query is: http://www.bitmine.net/~fegmaniax/lyrics/song.cgi?tca So now we see that http://www.bitmine.net/~fegmaniax/lyrics/ is the new home of the lyric archive. I think this is the final move. Thanks. Jeme. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:53:32 -0800 (PST) From: Vivien Lyon Subject: Re: One person's opinion is another person's.... - --- ultraconformist@ets.cncdsl.com wrote: > What I mean to say is, I don't think holding an opinion de > facto means I'm > obligated to explain it to anyone who asks me about it. I didn't say anyone was obligated to do anything- I simply mean that one is more likely to gain the respect and goodwill of one's fellows if one can at least entertain the notion that one's opinion baffles another person. > Particularly an > opinion like "without merit". I mean, that sort of says it all > about what > my opinion is, doesn't it? Not really. Something can lack merit for all kinds of reasons. Perhaps the musical terrain has already been thoroughly explored to better effect, perhaps the person objects to the lyrical content, perhaps the person only enjoys a particular genre of music into which the subject of debate does not fall, etc. It's not as simple as 'it just sucks.' There are reasons a person thinks a certain way, and those reasons might make their stance a bit more understandable, thus easing tension on all sides, rather than starting a fight. > I think also that a terse dismissal of that sort is not so > much a statement > to the effect that "all hip persons agree with me" as it is a > really good > indication that the person loathes whatever this SO much that > they're > really not interested in talking about it. To me that says > "I'm not open to > debating it". Like I said before, if that's how you feel, don't even bother to reply. Or just say, "I don't care to debate it, because the subject holds no interest for me." But to reply snottily....is to reply snottily. That's all there is to it. Vivien __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 21:39:07 -0600 From: ultraconformist@ets.cncdsl.com Subject: Re: supertramp and oasis (snip) Some see a battle for the fate of Western Civilization, some see a newsgroup tiff that could have been less nasty had -both- participants been a little less snippy. This is my take and I am sticking to it. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:26:47 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Request for the CD geeks Christopher Gross wrote: > > > Re: the old Doctor Who theme (Tom Baker era), is it true that Hawkwind did > it? I mean, did the actual recording that they played on the show. I've > heard rumo[u]rs.... No, it was by (the greatly missed) BBC Radiophonic Workshop, composed and played by Delia Derbyshire on 6 signal generators. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:27:56 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: another decade list (off the beaten path) Eb wrote: > > Or "Walls and Bridges"? Wot? Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 04:26:04 -0500 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: supertramp and oasis A right-winger writes >Read my post over again, and think before responding.< Pots and kettles, old boy, pots and kettles. jmbc. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:13:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Request for the CD geeks > Christopher Gross wrote: > > Re: the old Doctor Who theme (Tom Baker era), is it true that Hawkwind did > > it? I mean, did the actual recording that they played on the show. I've > > heard rumo[u]rs.... On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > No, it was by (the greatly missed) BBC Radiophonic Workshop, composed > and played by Delia Derbyshire on 6 signal generators. I didn't know that - my copy of the single is just credited to 'The BBC Radiophonic Workshop'. Excellent record. I eagerly flipped it to find out what electronic masterpiece had been created for the B-side, and was disappointed to discover an inane ditty by a couple called 'Brenda and Johnny'. Was this the normal B-side, or have I just got a duff copy? It's on one of those typical 60s EMI green labels, Columbia probably. - - Mike Godwin PS Sometime in the 70s(?) the TV signature tune changed to a new version. And there was a subsequent single release by a session man who wore a long Tom Baker-style scarf very unconvincingly on ToTP. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:03:22 +0000 From: Patrick Cleasby Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V9 #22 At 19:47 24/01/00 -0500, Quail wrote: >Like Robert Fripp and Brian Eno should score >"Neuromancer." Wasn't this actually supposed to be happening at one time? (thinking particularly of Fripp, didn't Gibson want him to do it or something?) ignorantly Patrick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 22:24:34 +1030 From: coco95@senet.com.au Subject: digital blues: help needed well now , i purchased a cd burner so I would not be seen as a luddite by the taping community and after relocating the hard drive in the sons IBM, purchasing lots of new cables because the ones with the burner were too short and then sending the thing back because it was a dud, I finally get to burn a Robyn Cd of big star 93 only to find all sorts of naassty noises of the crackling kind on the new disc.This was NOT supposed to happen to me . Can anyone help, what do I need to do to sort this out ? whats going on here dudes ? , I thought this was supposed to be the golden age of digital bliss where we can all achive audio sartori through endless hiss free listening experiences. So far this has just been a fucking hassle. feg xxxx visit the archive if you feel like being bored to death by lots of facts about old tired music , feg posts and Robyn hitchcock video grabs. http://users.senet.com.au/~tortoise/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 22:26:19 +1030 From: coco95@senet.com.au Subject: FWD :From the Beefheart list I also think that everyone has bad days, and unfortunately if someone encounters their favorite artist on a bad day it can be disappointing. I got snarled at on the phone by Robyn Hitchcock once, which he apologized for later. In talking to other people I have heard that Robyn is actually quite a decent fellow, but I basically hit him on a bad day. Can't hold that against anyone. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:36:44 -0500 (EST) From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: Come unto these yellow sands > I am probably missing a bunch of soundtracks that I really dig. Oh Quail, Quail, Quail! You've forgotten "Prospero's Books," you silly fowl! Nyman's soundtracks are the only ones I listen to on a regular basis. I listen to "Pulp Fiction" once in a while, too. n. p.s. New NMH website URL: http://www.cnd.gatech.edu/neutral/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:12:37 -0500 From: Stephen Buckalew Subject: re: Me & Opus & Justin & the hole >There were a few punks like that, but our school had very tolerant >punks in general. Indeed, we had a East Coast punk music promoter >among us -- my buddy Scott Andrews. He would get some really great >bands to play Allentown, and if needed, they'd stay over at his >house! (GBH and Seven Seconds did, at least.) Hey! My band (Wasted Talent) played Allentown....we weren't great though. We used to do Allentown, Harrisburg, and Philadelphia (near Drexel, we played a club called "The Wet Spot" a buncha times, lotsa fun), although the Philadelphia Enquirer reviewed us in a compilation of east coast hardcore called "ChainSaw" and said our band was "Funny" and "Surprisingly Melodic"... There were decent punks in our town actually...the bassist in our band was very much into all sorts of stuff....listened to alot of folk and electronic. She played with Debbie Harry's band for awhile when Blondie was defunct. I do like Dead Kennedies still, East Bay Ray was a cool sounding guitar player. I've still got "Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables" and the "Too Drunk to Fuck" single I bought in England when I was 14 and it was banned from BBC1, thank god we don't ban songs like that on American radio ;-/ S.B. *************************************************************** "...isn't it good to be lost in the wood..."--Syd Barrett *************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:14:06 -0500 From: Stephen Buckalew Subject: re: Me & Opus & Justin & the hole >>Actually, as I grew older and decided to quit the band and dress however >>the hell I wanted and listed to whatever the hell I wanted to, I watched >>the same bandmembers constantly "reinvent" themselves into straight-edge >>skinheads, then into hard-drinking longhaired headbangers who loved muscle >>cars, and eventually watched them settle into basic pot-smoking hippies > >Ha! Good Lord, have I ever seen that exact same progression! Must be something in the water... ;-) S.B. *************************************************************** "...isn't it good to be lost in the wood..."--Syd Barrett *************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:46:23 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Scores Sister Gnat writes: >Oh Quail, Quail, Quail! You've forgotten "Prospero's Books," you silly >fowl! Actually, I didn't. When I made that list up, I tried to pick only one score from each composer that I thought was his best work. Believe me, Nyman would have easily been there again for "Prospero's Books," but I think "The Cook" is overall a stronger work -- even if Ute Lemper doesn't sing on it, alas. I would have also included Glass' "The Secret Agent," and "Kundun." And probably more Elfman -- maybe "Batman." And Goldsmith's "The Omen," too, which is pretty good. . . . Does anyone know why Jerry Goldsmith's brilliant score for "Alien" has never been released on CD? (Speaking of which, Goldenthal's score for "Alien III" was another example where the music was stronger than the film, I think.) Here's an evil thread that I feel is more fun to contemplate than to actually embark upon: favorite movie sequences to a song or piece of music. Of course, we would almost have to discount Kubrick, as he would win the top 1, 2, and 3 in many books, I would bet. . . . Threadsssss, my preciousss, yesss, the lovely wicked little THREADSES! - --Quaillum +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society, Kibroth-hattaavah Branch) For fun with postmodern literature, New York vampires, and Fegmania, visit Sarnath: http://www.rpg.net/quail "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 17:06:23 GMT From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: Scores It tells usss, yesss: >Here's an evil thread that I feel is more fun to contemplate than to >actually embark upon: favorite movie sequences to a song or piece of >music. Of course, we would almost have to discount Kubrick, as he >would win the top 1, 2, and 3 in many books, I would bet. . . . > >Threadsssss, my preciousss, yesss, the lovely wicked little THREADSES! Uuuh! I...just...can't...resist... It's got to be Jodie Foster wandering around Buffalo Bill's basement to the strains of Hip Priest by The Fall in Silence Of The Lambs... Somebody ring the pointless thread alarm! Matt ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 20:09:50 -0800 From: "Michael R. Runion" Subject: Shameless Self-Promotional Plug - feel free to ignore (1% RH) Hey all, Just wanted to let anyone who might be interested know that the "Kool Beanz - Home Away From Home" CD is now available. It's a collection of live Florida-based "folk" acts put together by our great and local coffeehouse, Kool Beanz. Both my wife Dianne and I have tracks on this. My track is a live version of my song "East Coast Setting Sun"...only notable because Robyn, NMH and Julian Cope get mentioned. I get some kind of sick joy out of knowing that 99.9% of the people that will actually hear this disc will have absolutely no idea what the hell I'm talking about. The disc is also getting airplay on WFIT, our local college radio station. If anyone is interested, the discs are available for $15 and can be ordered by emailed "Java John" at the Kool Beanz website (www.koolbeanz.com). Now back to lying around doing absolutely nothing as I recoup from some minor surgery I had on Friday. Mike Runion (not to be confused with Godwin) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 11:06:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Shameless Self-Promotional Plug - feel free to ignore (1% RH) On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Michael R. Runion wrote: > Now back to lying around doing absolutely nothing as I recoup from some > minor surgery I had on Friday. Get well soon, Mike! - - Mike "not to be confused with" Godwin ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #23 ******************************