From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #20 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, January 22 2000 Volume 09 : Number 020 Today's Subjects: ----------------- I don't embarrass [Stephen Buckalew ] listen to this, if you can [Jeff Rosedale ] Fearless [Joel Mullins ] Re: I don't embarrass [Stephen Buckalew ] We already saw the Audities list... [Eb ] RE: I don't embarrass ["Thomas, Ferris" ] Prog will NEVER die! ["Jason R. Thornton" ] supertramp and oasis ["jbranscombe@compuserve.com" ] Re: ARGH! (re Cat Stevens) [jhaynes@haystack.lclark.edu] Re: ARGH! (re Cat Stevens) [Bayard ] Re: embarrasing? [fartachu ] Re: Me & Opus & Justin & the hole [Eb ] reap [fartachu ] Delicious Hot, Disgusting Cold [Terrence M Marks ] eb all over the world ["Faecal Emergency" ] an odd way ... ["randi..aka..twofangs" ] Re: We already saw the Audities list... [mad ] Re: supertramp and oasis ["James Hadfield" ] NMH [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 15:34:28 -0500 From: Stephen Buckalew Subject: I don't embarrass Joel Mullins: >Well, I've looked through my CDs and records and can't find one thing >I'm embarrassed to own. Sorry. The closest thing I found was my John >Denver albums, which I'm not at all embarrassed about, although some of >you probably think I should be. Well, my SO has all John Denvers stuff...and I'm not embarrassed about that...I also own lots of Chris Issak, and I like his stuff...I would love to have a voice like his (and the recording facility and equipment to do justice to it). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 15:51:36 EST From: Jeff Rosedale Subject: listen to this, if you can Isn't it fascinating how listserv technology prompts people to air their worst failures in public? I can't resist joining in. I bought "A 5th of Beethoven" when it came out. That's about as low as it goes, folks. Some years later, when I came to my senses, the disk was smeared with dog excrement before being shattered into pieces. Sort of a universal justice/karmic revenge thing. Next to get the treatment was a 45 containing Donny Osmond's "One Bad Apple Don't Spoil The Whole Bunch, Girl". As for putrid Christmas albums, I confess to still owning "A Music Box Christmas". 99 cents was too much to pay. Strictly for catatonics. Robyn has the greatest sense of the absurd. I'm not even embarrassed by telling people, "see, those three cones make a shrine". Tripe, --Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 13:52:38 -0800 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Fearless I have a question for you guitarists out there. I'm playing Pink Floyd's Fearless right now, and I'm wondering: should the guitar be in standard tuning or in open-G? I've played it both ways, and both sound pretty good. Does anyone know how PF played it? Joel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 16:00:10 -0500 From: Stephen Buckalew Subject: Re: I don't embarrass >I think that's why I've avoided posting during this >never-ending thread >Aaron I guess the gist of the "game" was "cheesiest" or "guilty pleasure" album, not necessarily embarrassing....I do feel like this thread turned into a bit of a monster...but obviously it was fun or people wouldn't have responded... I think I found it interesting because, well, maybe it was a flip side of the philosophical question Vivian asked: >I gravitate towards music whose lyrics describe something that >doesn't jibe with just every english-speaking moron in the >universe...but do I do that because I'm *so* different and >unique, or because I want to think that I'm different, or >because I *am* different, just not in a very important way? Why do people of certain taste like a particular artist like Robyn Hitchcock? Someone with limited appeal to the general public. People who dig R.H. also tend to gravitate to other artists who are unusual, or quirky, or left of center. And just as Best of 1999 list threads (which I find interesting only as a way of being exposed to new artists) I think it's very fascinating to turn over the rock of musical taste and find out what's hiding under there and why... S.B. *************************************************************** "...isn't it good to be lost in the wood..."--Syd Barrett *************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 13:41:50 -0800 From: Eb Subject: We already saw the Audities list... ...so here are the results of *another* hilariously prejudiced best-of-99 poll, this time conducted by a proggie mailing list. Heh. Your thoughts, Mary? ;) 1. DREAM THEATER - SCENES FROM A MEMORY - 107 2. PAR LINDH PROJECT - LIVE IN AMERICA - 82 3. PORCUPINE TREE - STUPID DREAM - 75 [hey, I actually heard this one!] 4. YES - THE LADDER - 65 5. NATHAN MAHL - THE CLEVER USE OF SHADOWS - 63 6. SOLARIS - NASTRODAMOS - 58 7. THE FLOWER KINGS - FLOWER POWER - 46 8. LIQUID TENSIONS EXPERIMENT - LTE II - 41 9. JETHRO TULL - DOT COM - 39 10. SPOCK'S BEARD - DAY FOR NIGHT - 36 11. NEXUS - DETRAS DEL UMBRAL - 35 12. FISH - RAINGODS WITH ZIPPO’S - 31 13. UNIVERSE ZERO - THE HARD QUEST - 29 14. ROCKET SCIENTISTS - OBLIVION DAYS - 28 15. TEN JINN - AS ON A DARKENING PLAIN - 26 16. OZRIC TENTACLES - WATERFALL CITIES - 25 17. ICE AGE - THE GREAT DIVIDE - 23 18. JANISON EDGE - THE SERVICES OF MARY GOODE - 22 18. JEFF BECK - WHO ELSE - 22 18. THE HAND FARM - RIPE - 22 18. OZONE QUARTET - NOCTURNE - 22 22. XANG - DESTINY OF A DREAM - 21 23. ILUVATAR - A STORY TWO DAYS WIDE - 20 24. DALI'S DELLEMA - MANIFESTO FOR FUTURISM - 19 25. MARILLION - .COM - 18 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 16:55:55 -0500 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: RE: I don't embarrass Early Bee Gee stuff (and I don't even really know why...) ______________________________________ Ferris Scott Thomas programmer McGraw-Hill Technology Division Farmington, CT 06032 860.409.2612 869.677.5405 (fax) mailto:ferris_thomas@mcgraw-hill.com (work) mailto:ferris@snet.net (home) Democracy is the art of running the circus from the monkey cage. -H.L. Mencken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 14:08:05 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Prog will NEVER die! At 01:41 PM 1/21/00 -0800, Eb wrote: >...so here are the results of *another* hilariously prejudiced best-of-99 >poll, this time conducted by a proggie mailing list. Heh. I'm amazed that the King Crimson "ProjeKCts" box set didn't make the list. But then again, a "proggie" mailing list probably isn't really interested in anything that is actually progressive. >1. DREAM THEATER - SCENES FROM A MEMORY - 107 Oh sweet Ganesh. Freakin' Berklee uninspired text-book "shredders." Bleh! I sat next to a couple of Dream Theater members at a NAMM dinner once, though. They seemed like really nice fellows. >18. OZONE QUARTET - NOCTURNE - 22 I think I might have heard a friend's copy of this one once. There's a Stick player in the band. I have absolutely no recollection what it might have sounded like. Anyone notice that there was an album titled "Dot Com" and another titled ".Com" on the list? Wowzers. Someone discovered that new internet thingy. I hear that thing is gonna be huge. - --Jason "Mike Love once borrowed my Hello Kitty eraser" Thornton "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 19:48:13 -0500 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: supertramp and oasis James Hadfield asked >Without merit?? What does that mean?< It means, without merit. jmbc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 10:26:17 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Me & Opus & Justin & the hole >>Oh....she's got the Moody Blues *entire* collection, even their latest >>stuff...although she admits its a sickness.... > >Here, I pass the mike to that mellotron-sniffing Quail.... Hey! I have never, once, in my life, sniffed a mellotron. Though I have done a few unspeakable things with a theremin and a mini-moog. There is nothing wrong with owning the entire Moody Blues collection. I mean, it's not like I have it all on CD, you know. Just, um, everything from Days of Future Past to, um, the new one. *Except* for Octave and Sur la Mer, those are cassette-only. Jeez, surely you don't think I'm *that* crazy to own Octave on CD....? And another thing: I *like* the Who's Face Dances, I think it's a great album, and is still one of my favorite Who records. I had the original, with the cool poster. And when my friends Rusty West, Todd Christopher, and Bon Hoenscheid came over one day to play the Avalon Hill "Dune" game - -- we were all taking a mutual hookey day off from school -- we began wrestling (well, Rusty and Bob wrestled; I'm not big on horse-play)(As everyone over 40 seems to call that sort of thing) and Rusty slammed into my bedroom wall and put a big, huge, hole in it. This horrified me, as my Dad would (naturally) kill me. So we ran out and bought some spackle, and went to Sears and matched the paint. BUT - -- the paint was years old, so the new "Royal Blue" wasn't exactly correct. And worse, none of us -- sixteen year old geniuses that we were -- knew how to use spackle. (But we all liked the name.) So we just CRAMMED the hole full of goopy spackle, assuming it would dry in like ten minutes. It didn't, and kept oozing out, so we stuffed the hole with newspaper and then spackled anew. So what to cover it with? Well, the only poster I had the right size was the Who's "Face Dances" poster, which I placed over the hole. The Spackle oozed out over night; I got up secretly at five am and cleaned it up. The Who poster stayed on my wall for years, covering a hole that opened right through the drywall. My Mom HATED that poster -- she thought all their warped faces were creepy -- and she begged me to take it down, but I told her it was my favorite poster. My friends eventually passed from Guilt Mode into Torment Mode. They knew if my Dad found the hole, I was a dead man, so they used that against me to drive me crazy. Three examples: 1. Todd would send a letter to my house, addressed to my dad, with an "anonymous tip" all spelled out in cut-out newspaper letters. I was alerted to the letter before it was sent by a phone call. I had to intercept the letter before my Dad. I did. 2. I worked at Burger King, and every night my Mom would do laundry - -- she'd wash my uniform. Bob would occasionally place slips of paper in my pockets, telling her to look behind the Who poster. (He also put condoms and such there as well.) Luckily, I intercepted them all. 3. All three lads took my favorite tape -- Rush's "Exit Stage Left." At the end of Side One, they recorded themselves singing a trio: "Hole in the Wall," to the tune of that Christmas song, "Carol of the Bells." They then replaced the tape quietly. The next time I listened to the tape, I was HORRIFIED to hear the "Hole in the Wall" carol blaring out. No one heard it but my younger brother, who then found out about the hole, and used it to cruelly blackmail me for two more years. My brother, by the way, was a Kenny Rogers fan until he got into his teens. I went off to college; upon returning for my first break -- Christmas - -- I thought all was well. Until I saw that the poster had been replaced with a sports poster. No one in my family mentioned it for years, until quietly one day my Dad asked me -- and I'm in my twenties now -- "So, um, how did that hole get there, anyway?" The hole is still there; but my Mom threw away the Who poster when I moved to Harrisburg to teach. - --Quail +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society, Kibroth-hattaavah Branch) For fun with postmodern literature, New York vampires, and Fegmania, visit Sarnath: http://www.rpg.net/quail "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 15:22:00 -0800 From: jhaynes@haystack.lclark.edu Subject: Re: ARGH! (re Cat Stevens) If you're still looking for a recording of that song check cdnow for the rushmore soundtrack..i think they have an mp3 of it on there. i love cat stevens! Jeannine On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 22:55:53 -0500 ookpik@mindspring.com (Katherine Rossner) wrote: >What a brain-fart! No, not "Rubylove"; I don't know where that came from. >Gaa. I've got most of the song in my head now, and I don't think I ever >knew the title. (I've also got all of "Rubylove" in my head--at least the >English words, though I seem to remember at least some of the Greek, >phonetically of course.) > >All right, I just cheated. I went and looked up the track listing for >"Teaser and the Firecat" on EveryCD. My machine's refusing to play the >samples, but I bet it's "The Wind". IIRC (I've never seen/heard the >commercial, I don't have a TV): > >I listen to the wind, to the wind on my soul, >[something] only God really knows. >I (something) the setting sun, >But never, never, never, never-- >I never wanted water once, >No, never, never, never, never. > >I (something) >I let the music take me where my heart wants to go. >I swam upon the Devil's lake, >But never, never, never, never-- >I'll never make the same mistake, >No, never, never, never, never. > >OK, this is weird. I just checked MassMusic to see whether they had >samples in some other format, so that I could get those lyrics my brain is >skipping. The disc of "Teaser" on EveryCD lists "The Wind" as one of its >songs; the disc on MassMusic doesn't. Huh? > >I'll go check CDNow while I'm at it...ha! CDNow includes "The Wind" too. >And in RealAudio, not the format that EveryCD is using. Second line is >"Where I'll end up, well, I think, only God really knows." Second verse >isn't included--only the first is sampled--but that's the right song. > >Katherine (somehow, I don't think this is the research on which I'm >supposed to be spending my time) > >-- >Ye knowe ek, that in forme of speche is chaunge >Withinne a thousand yere, and wordes tho >That hadden pris, now wonder nyce and straunge >Us thinketh hem, and yit they spake hem so. > - Chaucer, "Troilus and Criseyde" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 20:56:28 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: ARGH! (re Cat Stevens) Jeannine, I tried that sound clip but it did not work (it appears they only have it in realaudio?) I'm told there is another at catstevens.com Katherine - yes of course we must meet up when you're here! keep me apprised of your plans. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 21:52:11 -0500 From: fartachu Subject: Re: embarrasing? when we last left our heroes, LDudich@ase.org exclaimed: >I own 5 Gary Numan records. oh yeah? i'm *wearing* the gary numan internet mailing list t-shirt! +w ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 19:04:05 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Me & Opus & Justin & the hole Goddamn...that was the best personal anecdote I ever read on the Feglist, by a mile. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 22:30:27 -0500 From: fartachu Subject: reap josh clayton-felt (of school of fish) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 00:13:39 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Delicious Hot, Disgusting Cold I'm putting a touch of jazz into my strip soon. I need some ubiquitous jazz titles -- I want stuff that people can see and say "That's jazz." They don't have to be able to hum it or like it or anything. (It doesn't have to be exactly jazz either. Jazz-inflected swing, ragtime, or so on would work too.) Style, size of band, and so on are no concern because it's a comic strip. Anyhow, I'm asking you guys because you probably have a better idea what people have heard of than I have. Respond, especially if you only know a few jazz songs. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 01:13:12 PST From: "Faecal Emergency" Subject: eb all over the world apparently paula jones found clinton's erect pud to be surprisingly "short and thin". for what it's worth. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 10:46:04 -0500 From: "randi..aka..twofangs" Subject: an odd way ... Hi, 10:45 toronto time ... saturday morning ... Strange way to say "hi, I'm back..." ** hi ** ... and ... {902} ... 491 ... who are you? call back s.v.p. :-} 1-416-440-1309 woozy - but I can still talk ;-} Rand xoxo *what scares you most will set you free* ~Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 11:03:37 -0500 From: mad Subject: Re: We already saw the Audities list... This past year has been a low point in adding to my prog collection. Actually, I should say a low point in adding to my entire cd collection. I've been so busy that I haven't really kept up with new releases. I haven't heard many of the selections below but I'll comment on the ones I own or have listened to. s. Mary > >Your thoughts, Mary? ;) > >1. DREAM THEATER - SCENES FROM A MEMORY - 107 Haven't heard this but I never liked their stuff. Too much posturing for me. >3. PORCUPINE TREE - STUPID DREAM - 75 [hey, I actually heard this one!] I'm a huge Porcupine Tree fan. A lot of their fans were disappointed with this release, saying it was too mainstream. It is a lot more accessible - not a lot of noodling and background noises like their previous stuff. If I had done a top 10 for 1999, this would have been on the list. >4. YES - THE LADDER - 65 Hmmm...I'm not even sure who is in Yes anymore. I have no idea how this sounds. >7. THE FLOWER KINGS - FLOWER POWER - 46 I've heard some tunes but was really distracted so I didn't pay that close attention to the music. They sounded very neo-prog (stuff like Marillion and IQ). >9. JETHRO TULL - DOT COM - 39 See Yes comment. >10. SPOCK'S BEARD - DAY FOR NIGHT - 36 See Flower Kings comment. I think Spock's Beard takes a lot of heat from the proggie crowd though. I love the name though - comes from one of my favourite original Star Trek episodes. >12. FISH - RAINGODS WITH ZIPPO’S - 31 I love Fish, I love Marillion with Fish. But I must admit this cd was a disappointment for me. It sounds too much like his previous release "Sunsets on Empire" which I really enjoy. >13. UNIVERSE ZERO - THE HARD QUEST - 29 I haven't heard this yet but will probably pick it up. Their previous stuff is dark, noisy music made all sorts of instruments. Also, their name is Univers Zero (without the e). >16. OZRIC TENTACLES - WATERFALL CITIES - 25 I like Ozric Tentacles a lot, but if you've heard a couple of their cds, you've heard them all. They have some superb cds but then they have a bunch which are hard to tell apart. >23. ILUVATAR - A STORY TWO DAYS WIDE - 20 A local band that I've seen far too many times. They tend to open up for most prog shows around this area - as well as the band Mastermind. I haven't heard this cd but I've never been all that impressed with these guys. I think they try to hard to sound like Genesis. >25. MARILLION - .COM - 18 I am a Fish Marillion fan. I don't care for Steve Hogarth (although I do like the song "Easter". I don't even know if he's the singer anymore as I don't follow the band. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 18:59:50 GMT From: "James Hadfield" Subject: Re: supertramp and oasis >James Hadfield asked > > >Without merit?? What does that mean?< > >It means, without merit. Is that the best line of defense you can come up with? "You wouldn't know a diamond if you held it in your hand," was my point and you knew it. The concept of merit, like so many other things, has become relative to today's Jerry Springer "who are you to tell me how to raise my kids?" generation. Everybody thinks they're right, or entitled to be, even when they don't know what the fuck they're talking about. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 15:36:38 -0800 From: Eb Subject: NMH Anyone know what's up with the main Neutral Milk Hotel website? It's been dead for weeks, seemingly.... (http://btc.gatech.edu/neutral) Eb PS I note that http://www.neutralmilkhotel.com is "reserved" for the band, but not implemented...yet http://www.nmh.com gets you something called "New Media Hollywood." Ha. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #20 ******************************