From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #13 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, January 16 2000 Volume 09 : Number 013 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Here, there, and everywhere [James Dignan ] dB's question (no RH) ["Russ Reynolds" ] i come and stand at every door [Jeff Dwarf ] power pop ["jbranscombe@compuserve.com" ] Re: power pop [Dominic ] Re: power pop [fartachu ] Re: power pop [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: power pop [Miles Goosens ] Re: power pop [steve ] Re: power pop URLs a-plenty, etc. [Eb ] Re: power pop URLs a-plenty, etc. [Miles Goosens Subject: Here, there, and everywhere The "Ultimate Beatles Encyclopaedia" (ed. Bill Harry, Virgin Books, 1992) says that Here, There and Everywhere "...was recorded over three days in June 1966 for the 'Revolver' album and it was suggested that Paul had been inspired to write it after listening to the Beach Boys' "God only knows"... Paul commented, "This one was pretty much mine, written sitting beside John's pool. Often I would wait half an hour while he would do something - like get up. So I was sitting there tootling around in E on the guitar." I am off on holiday in about two hours time, so I will temporarily unsub. Hopefully someone will be able to keep me informed on events over the next three weeks when I get back. For the next 25 days or so I will be driving a total of about 3000 miles, visiting such diverse holiday spots as Napier, Taupo, Gisborne, Tauranga, Rotorua, Auckland, Hamilton, New Plymouth, Wanganui, and, of course, Eketahuna. Not that that lot will mean anything to 99% of you... Be good and don't break the list while I'm gone... James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 16:18:15 -0800 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: dB's question (no RH) Anyone know who the dB's song "Amplifier" is about? I seem to recall hearing once that it was about a member of the Raybeats. That would have to be Danny Amis. The All Music Guide has Amis listed as a guitarist for Los Straitjackets beginning in 1996, which would be quite a trick if he had actually gone home and "killed himself last night", however I've noticed AMG seems to be mistake prone--especially when it comes to musicians who share the same name--and there is a gap of about 15 years between the Raybeats album he played on (Guitar Beat, 1981) and the first Straitjackets album. Highly suspicious. The other snag is that the Raybeats AMG bio says Amis recorded a solo album in 1983 which would have been well after "Amplifier" was released. Yet there is no 1983 recording listed in their Amis discography, so possibly another error? Surely one of you walking Encyclopedias-of-Rock knows something about this. Enlighten me! - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 21:03:37 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: i come and stand at every door James Dignan wrote: >>There's a very chilling song on the Byrds "5th Dimension" >>called something like "I Stand At Every Door", written from the >>perspective of a child killed at Hiroshima. Although, the >>lyrics are not by any of the Byrds, it is someone else's >>poem they set to music. > there's a great version of that done by someone like Dead Can > Dance, ISTR (dang, my memory's just about shot today!) this mortal coil? ===== "America's greatest natural resource, still, to this day, is the moron" --Martin Mull __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 07:11:49 -0500 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: power pop I'm loathe to appear ignorant, but here goes anyway. Can anyone give names of bands they think are part of the "new American power pop movement" I've heard people talking about? jmbc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 11:31:41 -0500 From: Dominic Subject: Re: power pop jbranscombe@compuserve.com wrote: > Can anyone give names > of bands they think are part of the "new American power pop movement" Hey, the best band, IMO, to represent that movement is, without a doubt, Fountains Of Wayne. Dominic Montreal ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 11:14:27 -0500 From: fartachu Subject: Re: power pop >> Can anyone give names >> of bands they think are part of the "new American power pop movement" >the best band, IMO, to represent that movement is, without a doubt, >Fountains Of Wayne. so how far back do we have to go for "old" power pop? i know i was using the term to describe the connells, the judybats, matthew sweet, etc. in the late 80s and early 90s...but it must go further than that. woj ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 12:06:58 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: power pop In a message dated 1/16/00 8:26:45 AM, woj@smoe.org writes: << >> Can anyone give names >> of bands they think are part of the "new American power pop movement" >the best band, IMO, to represent that movement is, without a doubt, >Fountains Of Wayne. so how far back do we have to go for "old" power pop? i know i was using the term to describe the connells, the judybats, matthew sweet, etc. in the late 80s and early 90s...but it must go further than that. >> Big Star, man. Bigass Star. - -----Michael K. "Don't lie to me!" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 12:26:31 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: power pop woj, then MARKEEFE: >so how far back do we have to go for "old" power pop? i know i was using >the term to describe the connells, the judybats, matthew sweet, etc. in the >late 80s and early 90s...but it must go further than that. >> > > Big Star, man. Bigass Star. Yup, and the Raspberries, Dwight Twilley, Cheap Trick, the Shoes... Usually the biggest touchstones are the mid-period Beatles (RUBBER SOUL/REVOLVER) and Big Star. The albums I always think of as quintessential power-pop albums are the Shoes' PRESENT TENSE and the best (IMO, of course) dB's album, LIKE THIS... Not to get all Audities-list definitional on woj's ass, but of the three acts he names, only Matthew Sweet fits the power pop mold. Neither the Judybats, who I love, or the Connells, who I loathe, have the requisite levels of overt big-chorus melodicism or guitar crunch to qualify. later, Miles ====================================================== Miles Goosens UNlimited edition R. Stevie Moore CDs now available! http://www.rsteviemoore.com My personal website http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles "If a million people say a stupid thing, it is still a stupid thing." -- Anatole France ====================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 14:13:17 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: power pop jbranscombe@compuserve.com: >I'm loathe to appear ignorant, but here goes anyway. Can anyone give names >of bands they think are part of the "new American power pop movement" >I'veheard people talking about? The Audities faves list for '99 isn't in yet, but here's '97 and '98. Keep in mind that some of this isn't exactly "new" and a few will be out on the end of a power pop bell curve (if not off the edge). - - Steve AUDITIES' LIST TOP 20 FOR 1997 1. Orange Peels - Square 2. Cotton Mather - Kontiki 3. Various Artists - Yellow Pills, Volume 4 4. Gladhands - La Di Da 5. Mockingbirds - s/t 6. Jeffrey Foskett - Cool And Gone (Gone Gone) 7. Chewy Marble - s/t 8. Radiohead - OK Computer 9. Scott McCarl - Play On! 10. Ben Folds Five - Whatever And Ever Amen 11. Kyle Vincent - s/t 12. The Tories - Wonderful Life 13. Apples In Stereo - Fun Trick Noisemaker 14. Belle and Sebastian - If You're Feeling Sinister 15. The Montgomery Cliffs - 16. Silver Sun - s/t 17. Walter Clevenger - The Man With X-Ray Eyes 18. The Merrymakers - Bubblegun 19. Redd Kross - Show World 20. The Negro Problem - Post Minstrel Syndrome AUDITIES TOP 50 ALBUMS -- 1998: 1. Myracle Brah -- LIFE ON PLANET EARTSNOP 2. Love Nut -- BALTIMUCHO 3. Splitsville -- REPEATER 4. Elliot Smith -- XO 5. Orange Humble Band -- ASSORTED CREMES 6. Tommy Keene -- ISOLATION PARTY 7. Starbelly -- LEMON FRESH 8. Chris Von Sneidern -- WOOD & WIRE 9. Sloan -- NAVY BLUES 10. Nick Heyward -- THE APPLE BED 11. Owsley -- OWSLEY 12. Pernice Brothers -- OVERCOME BY HAPPINESS 13. Wondermints -- BALI 14. The Loud Family -- DAYS FOR DAYS 15 (tie) The Vandalias -- BUZZBOMB Richard X. Heyman -- CORNERSTONE 17. Rubinoos -- PALEOPHONIC ( 18. The Grip Weeds -- THE SAND IS IN YOU 19. Brian Wilson -- IMAGINATION 20. The Cowsills -- GLOBAL 21. Vox Pop 22. The Knack 23. Superdrag 24. New Radicals 25. Lucinda Williams 26. Fastball ( 27 (tie). You Am I Liquor Giants 29. Mark Bacino 30. The Posies 31. David Grahame 32. Semisonic 33. Silver Sun 34. KC Bowman 35. Ross 36. Saint Etienne 37 (tie). Spinning Jennies Velvet Crush 39. Neil Finn 40. Elvis Costello/Burt Bacharach 41. Liz Phair 42. Mercury Rev 43. Rufus Wainwright 44. Yazbek 45 (tie). Frank Bango Swirl 360 47. Eels 48. The Plimsouls 49. REM 50. The Minders _______________ We're all Jesus, Buddha, and the Wizard of Oz! - Andy Partridge ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 15:23:12 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: power pop URLs a-plenty, etc. Excellent, Steve. You can't get much further inside the mindset of the Pop-Geek Ghetto than the Audities list/site. I'm pretty hostile to that proudly retro, narrow, smiley-face perspective, but I do like a fair number of bands which have the pop-geek stamp of approval, anyway. Here are a few which I don't see on the below lists: Fluid Ounces (I wonder how many Audities folks have even heard this...it's horrifying how entirely unknown this group is). Guided By Voices. Jason Falkner. Matthew Sweet. The Jayhawks. Michael Penn. Sam Phillips. Any of the more accessible E6 acts (*not* Neutral Milk Hotel). The Ladybug Transistor. The Muffs. The Hang Ups (I hope they do well on the new Audities poll...this is certainly one of the year's most underrated albums). Tubetop. The Sugarplastic. The Wrens.... Owsley, the 11th best album of 1998? What, did they all rank their advance copies? For your further archaeological needs, definitely try this URL: http://www.poptopia.com/artists.htm. These sites might yield fruit as well: http://desertisle.com/funkpoparoll/music.html and http://www.purepop.com. Also, try a websearch for articles by the poster boy for pop-geek criticism, David Bash (check http://www.sandplum.com/ipo/artists.htm for another huge artist list, related to his International Pop Overthrow festival). Oh, and also try http://www.eggbert.com/eggbert/, just because it's local for me and the label owner is a friend of mine. ;P If you carefully sort through the above URLs, you ought to be able to find a couple of dozen bands which aren't so cloying and innocuous that they make you vomit. Also, please check http://www.watchingyou.com/gumbel.html, just because it makes me giggle like an idiot. bastard BASTARD Eb (isn't it *amazing* that a consensus poll could come up with the below candidates?) now ehhing: Dirty Three >The Audities faves list for '99 isn't in yet, but here's '97 and '98. >Keep in mind that some of this isn't exactly "new" and a few will be out >on the end of a power pop bell curve (if not off the edge). > >- Steve > >AUDITIES' LIST TOP 20 FOR 1997 >1. Orange Peels - Square >2. Cotton Mather - Kontiki >3. Various Artists - Yellow Pills, Volume 4 >4. Gladhands - La Di Da >5. Mockingbirds - s/t >6. Jeffrey Foskett - Cool And Gone (Gone Gone) >7. Chewy Marble - s/t >9. Scott McCarl - Play On! >10. Ben Folds Five - Whatever And Ever Amen > >AUDITIES TOP 50 ALBUMS -- 1998: >1. Myracle Brah -- LIFE ON PLANET EARTSNOP >2. Love Nut -- BALTIMUCHO >3. Splitsville -- REPEATER >4. Elliot Smith -- XO >5. Orange Humble Band -- ASSORTED CREMES >6. Tommy Keene -- ISOLATION PARTY >7. Starbelly -- LEMON FRESH >8. Chris Von Sneidern -- WOOD & WIRE >10. Nick Heyward -- THE APPLE BED >11. Owsley -- OWSLEY ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 21:27:50 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: power pop URLs a-plenty, etc. At 03:23 PM 01/16/2000 -0800, Eb wrote: >Excellent, Steve. You can't get much further inside the mindset of the >Pop-Geek Ghetto than the Audities list/site. I'm pretty hostile to that >proudly retro, narrow, smiley-face perspective, but I do like a fair number >of bands which have the pop-geek stamp of approval, anyway. Here are a few >which I don't see on the below lists: Fluid Ounces (I wonder how many >Audities folks have even heard this...it's horrifying how entirely unknown >this group is). I've only been on Audities for about eight months, but my beloved Fl. Oz. has been brought up several times by people other than me! That being said, it's usually the same annoying "if you like Ben Folds..." sort of thing, when Seth Timbs and co. not only predate the BFF but kick their cutsey-poo (to use Brett Milano's BFF dis of choice) asses up one side and down the other. >Owsley, the 11th best album of 1998? What, did they all rank their advance >copies? I'm afraid it means that they predate you on the Owsley curve. :-) The Owsley album was released as an indie in '98, before Giant picked it up and did a little resequencing and polishing. While Audities members' tastes often run the gamut from A to B, they are great at ferreting out little-known records in their chosen speciality, so it doesn't surprise me to find out that enough of them had heard it in '98 for it to make the list's top 25 of the year. (The indie version isn't significantly different, IMO. I sometimes see it in the used stores here if it holds curiosity value for anyone.) later, Miles ====================================================== Miles Goosens UNlimited edition R. Stevie Moore CDs now available! http://www.rsteviemoore.com My personal website http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles "If a million people say a stupid thing, it is still a stupid thing." -- Anatole France ====================================================== ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #13 ******************************