From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #11 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, January 14 2000 Volume 09 : Number 011 Today's Subjects: ----------------- laid ["Paul Christian Glenn" ] Re: Does anyone know? ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: laid ["Dolph Chaney" ] Re: laid [Miles Goosens ] Re: I prefer Brighton, myself [Michael Wolfe ] RH Bootlegs [Jeffrey_Rose@eri.eisai.com] Re: I prefer Brighton, myself [Capuchin ] ATTN: L.A. Fegs [Glen Uber ] Re: laid ["Richard Zeszotarski" ] oof! this is music? [Ken Ostrander ] Re: laid [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: laid ["Paul Christian Glenn" ] New Address ["Brian Nupp" ] Where are the PRAWNS? [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Trousers. ["Dr.Sticky" ] Re: "And schmaltzy country rock shall come to rule the earth!" ["Stewart ] Song ID? (0% RH) [John Jenks ] Re: Song ID? (0% RH) [Glen Uber ] Re: Song ID? (0% RH) [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Song ID? (0% RH) [Michael R Godwin ] ghost songs [Katherine Rossner ] Re: ghost songs ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: Song ID? (0% RH) [dmw ] Ghost Songs [Vivien Lyon ] Re: ghost songs [Ben ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:41:55 -0600 From: "Paul Christian Glenn" Subject: laid Heard James' "Laid" this morning on the radio, and it reminded me that when I first saw the video some years back, I really wanted to buy the record. I never did. The song has withstood a couple years of my personally evolving music tastes, however, and I'm thinking of seeking it out, but I'm wondering if anyone can tell me - apart from this song, are they any good? Paul Christian Glenn pcg@mailandnews.com Eon Chamber http://eonchamber.virtualave.net Christian Realists http://x-real.firinn.org Currently reading: "To Dance With the White Dog" by Terry Kay ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:44:09 -0600 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Does anyone know? >From: Glen Uber >Subject: Does anyone know? > >How is Randi doing? Speaking of Randi, does anybody know if she'd like (or can view) some videotape of Robyn? I'd love to send her some if she could view it. Or if there is anything else Robyn-related she may like to have that I could send her, please let me know. >Reply offline if you prefer. Same here. - ------------------------------------------------------------------ Gene Hopstetter, Jr. [geneh@raremedium.com] Design Technologist [P] 210.805.8607 Rare Medium, 112 E. Pecan, Suite 750 [F] 210.805.8517 San Antonio, TX 78205 [http://www.raremedium.com] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:54:06 EST From: "Dolph Chaney" Subject: Re: laid James are way entirely good. The whole LAID album is a fave of mine, as is WAH-WAH, which they made at the same time (LAID being the "songs" album, and WAH-WAH being the "improv/hashing out ideas" one). Eno produced and collaborated on these. I like the follow-up, WHIPLASH, even better sometimes. And didn't somebody list MILLIONAIRES on their top-10 for last year (dang UK-only release mumblemumble...)? dolph np: The John Faye Power Trip ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:08:05 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: laid At 12:54 PM 01/13/2000 -0500, Dolph Chaney wrote: >James are way entirely good. The whole LAID album is a fave of >mine, as is >WAH-WAH, which they made at the same time (LAID being the "songs" album, and >WAH-WAH being the "improv/hashing out ideas" one). Eno produced and >collaborated on these. I like the follow-up, WHIPLASH, even better >sometimes. And didn't somebody list MILLIONAIRES on their top-10 for last >year (dang UK-only release mumblemumble...)? Exactly what Dolph said. In fact, after being convinced to try LAID and getting much more than I expected, I went back and checked out their earlier catalog, which I had passed on largely thanks to a strong dislike for "Sit Down." There are good moments on all their earlier albums, but nary a bad one on any of the Dolph-namechecked later releases. They also have a passel of great b-sides which have yet (I think) to be collected in a handy package. Unfortunately, I can't yet vouch for MILLIONAIRES -- I was going to get it on import, but when we decided to visit London (happening yes, this very February), I decided to wait until then so I could do the importin' myself... :-) Oh yeah, and the Tim Booth/Angelo Badalamenti collaboration, BOOTH AND THE BAD ANGEL, is also excellent aside from its predictable opening track, and this can usually be had in the $2 bin these days. later, Miles ====================================================== Miles Goosens UNlimited edition R. Stevie Moore CDs now available! http://www.rsteviemoore.com My personal website http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles "If a million people say a stupid thing, it is still a stupid thing." -- Anatole France ====================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 17:43:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Wolfe Subject: Re: I prefer Brighton, myself >Am I missing something? Is there really some non-Robyn >connection between East Grinstead and prawns? Is this >Time-Warner, under AOL's new non-news-oriented perspective >already putting out false media stories just to boost record >sales? Can't be. Disney owns ABC. - -Michael "Well-liked Assman" Wolfe np: Black Snake Diamond Rooooooole ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jan 2000 13:30:48 -0500 From: Jeffrey_Rose@eri.eisai.com Subject: RH Bootlegs Is there a way I can acquire some cool bootleg tapes/discs? I'm not a RH tape trader but I do have 2000+ great CDs I can record or I'd be happy to pay. I'd be interested in very good quality solo or full band shows with unique set lists-any date. Thanks Jeffro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:42:25 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: I prefer Brighton, myself On Thu, 13 Jan 2000, Michael Wolfe wrote: > >Am I missing something? Is there really some non-Robyn > >connection between East Grinstead and prawns? Is this > >Time-Warner, under AOL's new non-news-oriented perspective > >already putting out false media stories just to boost record > >sales? > Can't be. Disney owns ABC. Exactly. They don't research anymore. They got it straight from some news service. > -Michael "Well-liked Assman" Wolfe That's a pretty keen Wu-Name. J. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:02:02 -0800 From: Glen Uber Subject: ATTN: L.A. Fegs L.A. fegs, I will be in Los Angeles (Venice, actually) next Tuesday and Wednesday the 18th and 19th. Any SoCal fegs wanna get together for brews, lunch or record store invasions? Let me know privately. Thanks! Cheers! - -g- "If music makes people do things, how come we don't all love each other?" - --Frank Zappa, addressing Tipper Gore at the PMRC hearings, 1986 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 15:15:03 EST From: "Richard Zeszotarski" Subject: Re: laid >From: "Paul Christian Glenn" >Reply-To: "Paul Christian Glenn" >To: "Fegmaniax" >Subject: laid >Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:41:55 -0600 > >Heard James' "Laid" this morning on the radio, and it >reminded me that when I first saw the video some years >back, I really wanted to buy the record. > >I never did. > >The song has withstood a couple years of my personally >evolving music tastes, however, and I'm thinking of >seeking it out, but I'm wondering if anyone can tell >me - apart from this song, are they any good? > Well, speaking for myself, I'm quite fond of them. I like their song "Sit Down", as well as their albums "Seven" and "Laid". I own "Laid" and in addition to the title track, I also must recommend the songs "Out to get you," "Sometimes (Lestor Piggot)," and "One of the Three." Their style seems to change from record to record, I've noticed. "Seven" is very horn-driven, whereas "Laid" has a very, stripped-down, almost acoustic sound. Hope this helps you out. - -Rich "Nyquil is my friend" Z. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 15:32:42 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: oof! this is music? alright, i just got back from italy last night and i've spent much of today going through the 2147 e-mails i received in the three weeks i was away. i did have ample time to consider my choices for last year. sorry it took so long. i know you've all been waiting... albums i really loved: the hot rock sleater-kinney play moby 69 love songs magnetic fields mule variations tom waits jewels for sophia robyn hitchcock terror twilight pavement things fall apart the roots summerteeth wilco midnite vultures beck the soft bulletin flaming lips albums that were really cool: keep it like a secret built to spill wallpaper reverie apples in stereo black foliage olivia tremor control electric honey luscious jackson stereo type a cibo matto the sebadoh sebadoh twisted tenderness electronic hours... david bowie millionaires james to the teeth ani difranco albums that didn't suck: up up up up up up ani difranco fellow workers ani difranco & utah phillips sky motel kristen hersh surrender chemical brothers do the collapse guided by voices apple venus volume 1 xtc californication red hot chili peppers wacoworld waco brothers fight songs old 97's no exit blondie the fragile nine inch nails social dancing bis bad love randy newman this is my truth tell me yours manic street preachers cobra and phases group stereolab rock art & the x-ray style joe strummer and the mescaleros rave un2 the joy fantastic o{+> guerilla super furry animals my favorite shows: bruce springsteen and the e street band tom waits joe strummer and los mescaleros iggy pop the the rufus wainwright moby music against brain degeneration pavement the church echo and the bunnymen olivia tremor control/super furry animals robert forster and grant mclennan/departure lounge luna duran duran tenacious d hothouse flowers waco brothers billy joel blue man group great flicks: american beauty being john malcovich rushmore the insider three kings the general bringing out the dead lock, stock, and two smoking barrels dogma election happy, texas sleepy hollow blair witch project the talented mr. ripley sixth sense 200 cigarettes the world is not enough the phantom menace american pie jawbreaker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 14:47:53 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: laid Paul Christian Glenn wrote: > Heard James' "Laid" this morning on the radio, and it > reminded me that when I first saw the video some years > back, I really wanted to buy the record. > > I never did. > > The song has withstood a couple years of my personally > evolving music tastes, however, and I'm thinking of > seeking it out, but I'm wondering if anyone can tell > me - apart from this song, are they any good? well, i had _laid_ in my top 10 for the 90's and Millionaires in the top 10 for 99. the rest of _laid_ is more introspective and atmospheric, though song driven, for the most part; it's produced by eno (as is millionaires). around the time they did laid they also did a "jam" album with eno called _Wah Wah_ which is pretty trippy. i hear it goes well with certain psychedelic drugs, but i can't vouch for that personally. their other 90's albums are pretty good also for the most part (though _whiplash_ suffers from being over-produced by stephen hague, _Seven_ could afford to lose a couple songs, and _james/gold mother_ sounds a little choppy due to it having two of the original songs cut out and replaced by singles). there's two 80's records on Sire (_Stutter_ & _stripmine_) are also both pretty good, though a lot spottier as they were trying to hard to be the "next smiths" (as they were the first crowned with those thorns even though they'd been around manchester before the smiths). ===== "America's greatest natural resource, still, to this day, is the moron" --Martin Mull __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 17:11:00 -0600 From: "Paul Christian Glenn" Subject: Re: laid Thanks to everyone for the overwhelmingly positive feedback on "Laid" (and James in general). I do believe I'll seek out a copy (er, actually, it seems that one has already sought *me* out). np: Morrissey, "Kill Uncle" Paul Christian Glenn pcg@mailandnews.com Eon Chamber http://eonchamber.virtualave.net Christian Realists http://x-real.firinn.org Currently reading: "To Dance With the White Dog" by Terry Kay ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 21:24:52 EST From: "Brian Nupp" Subject: New Address Hey Fegs, I'm leaving AOL. My new address is: briannupp@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:22:50 +0100 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Where are the PRAWNS? On Wed, 12 Jan 2000, Doc wrote: > Robyn's plans for Global Domination unfold... > >From ABCNews.com... > British village declares independence > East Grinstead now calls itself the People's Republic of Ashurst Wood > Nation State (PRAWNS). more tantly though - does it have a flag??? James (who is currently flying the Belgian flag above his home) James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 23:11:32 -0500 From: "Dr.Sticky" Subject: Trousers. This is an extreme long shot, but does anyone know where Robyn gets his wonderful trousers? Man o man do I dig those flower patterns. I'm thinking he may make them himself. Hmm. That's all. Dr. Sticky ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 08:51:55 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: "And schmaltzy country rock shall come to rule the earth!" Paul Christian Glenn wrote: > > >It's the dawn of a new millennium. Do we have cool cars that fly? > > www.moller.com/skycar Don't worry, American product liability will kill that one. If the CarTel doesn't first. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:47:52 -0500 (EST) From: John Jenks Subject: Song ID? (0% RH) Hi, lurker john here. I have a song ID query...many many years ago (say, around 1980 or so), I heard (and taped) two songs from Washington's late lamented WHFS. I think the two songs are by the same group. The vocals sounded vaguely British. The two songs were: "the Problem" -- a long nonsensical mathematical word problem set to music "I Can't Eat Any More" -- a long rant about eating Anyone out there have any idea who the band (or bands!) here might be? tnx fgz johnj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 07:28:00 (PST) From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: Song ID? (0% RH) John picked the fegs' brains when he asked: > The two songs were: > > "the Problem" -- a long nonsensical mathematical word problem set to music > "I Can't Eat Any More" -- a long rant about eating > > > Anyone out there have any idea who the band (or bands!) here might be? Well, from the small bit of info you've given, I'd guess that the band is Godley and Creme. The first song is definitely called "The Problem." The other is called "Snack Attack." Both can be found on the album called _Snack Attack_ in the U.S. and _ismism_ everywhere else. There is also a great 9 minute alternate mix of "Snack Attack" floating around on 12" vinyl. A truncated version of the remix can be found on the 10cc/Godley and Creme compilation called _Changing Faces_. As far as I know, there is only one other G&C fan on the list (Hi James!). How long will it take to draw the bath? - -g- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:30:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Song ID? (0% RH) On Fri, 14 Jan 2000, John Jenks wrote: > I have a song ID query...many many years ago (say, around 1980 or so), > I heard (and taped) two songs from Washington's late lamented WHFS. I think > the two songs are by the same group. The vocals sounded vaguely British. > "the Problem" -- a long nonsensical mathematical word problem set to music > "I Can't Eat Any More" -- a long rant about eating I wonder if you mean "The Riddle" by Nik Kershaw? The chorus goes: near a tree by a river there's a hole in the ground where an old man of aran goes around and around and his mind is a beacon in the veil of the night for a strange kind of fashion there's a wrong and a right but he'll never, never fight over you Full lyrics at: http://www.kershaw.net/lyrics/theriddl.html#theriddle No idea about the other song. - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:00:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Song ID? (0% RH) On Fri, 14 Jan 2000, Glen Uber wrote: > Well, from the small bit of info you've given, I'd guess that the band > is Godley and Creme. The first song is definitely called "The > Problem." The other is called "Snack Attack." Well done, Glen - you're right and I'm wrong! > As far as I know, there is only one other G&C fan on the list (Hi James!). I wouldn't claim to be a G+C fan (I couldn't stand that 'Cry'(?) thing with the morphing faces) but I do have their ace single with the ghost story on it, called something like 'Won't be under your thumb for ever'. How many other ghost songs can you think of? 'Long black veil' is narrated by a ghost ("she visits my grave as the night winds wail"); but I don't think there are that many. Yippee-I-a-o! - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:37:58 -0500 From: Katherine Rossner Subject: ghost songs At 04:00 PM 1/14/00 +0000, Michael R Godwin wrote: >How many other ghost songs can you think of? 'Long black veil' is narrated >by a ghost ("she visits my grave as the night winds wail"); but I don't >think there are that many. Ellis Paul (yes, I'm on a binge) has a song called "Conversation with a Ghost", whose text is reputed to be mostly what emerged from the Ouija board when he was trying to contact a dead relative. On the fictional side, Dave Carter and Tracy Grammer sing "Kate and the Ghost of Lost Love", with the verses alternating between Kate and the ghost--who seem to have met and fallen in love entirely after the man's death. Katherine n.p. tape of Ellis Paul's New Year's Eve concert - -- Ye knowe ek, that in forme of speche is chaunge Withinne a thousand yere, and wordes tho That hadden pris, now wonder nyce and straunge Us thinketh hem, and yit they spake hem so. - Chaucer, "Troilus and Criseyde" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 08:55:22 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: ghost songs At 11:37 AM 1/14/00 -0500, Katherine Rossner wrote: >Ellis Paul (yes, I'm on a binge) has a song called "Conversation with a >Ghost", whose text is reputed to be mostly what emerged from the Ouija >board when he was trying to contact a dead relative. And in a quite similar vein is Morrissey's "Ouija Board, Ouija Board." "The table is rumbling The glass is moving 'No, I was NOT pushing that time' : P.U.S.H.O. double F. " Toodles, - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:38:25 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: Song ID? (0% RH) On Fri, 14 Jan 2000, Michael R Godwin wrote: > How many other ghost songs can you think of? 'Long black veil' is narrated > by a ghost ("she visits my grave as the night winds wail"); but I don't > think there are that many. you're kidding, right? i mean, that's not quite like saying "there's not many songs about rain," but close. i thought of about twenty just now (including at least two by mister the hitchcock, possibly more depending on how you define your terms or interpret the tune); i'd mention them, but i don't really want to encourage a thread of "all-the-ghost-songs-everyone-can-think-of" - -- d. p.s. twenty six now. - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:10:14 -0800 (PST) From: Vivien Lyon Subject: Ghost Songs - --- Michael R Godwin wrote: > How many other ghost songs can you think of? 'Long black veil' > is narrated > by a ghost ("she visits my grave as the night winds wail"); > but I don't > think there are that many. As it just so happens, I have a ghost song lyric right in front of me. It's got a rather suggestive title: Grey Cock My true love, my own true William, where thou ever may be This dark night I long to be with you, many months gone from me. Though the night be dark as a dungeon, no light through the windowpane I'll be guided without a stumble, to my true love's door. I went to my true love's cottage on a Hallow's Eve Through a windowpane I whispered softly "Lies my love within?" "Who's that, who's that at my window, disturbing my long night's rest?" "It's I, your lover, do not be discovered, Open! Let me in!" He rose up off his soft down pillow, opened and let her in Both shook hands, embraced each other, Willie's back again. But when that night was past and over, cocks began to crow Both shooks hands, he cried and kissed her, "Darling, I must go!" "O Willie, Willie, where are your blushes, your color of long ago?" "Mary, Mary, cold clay did take them, O Mary, I'm a ghost!" The note above it says- Sue Richards paired Irish lyrics with the traditional Scottish melody from "The Standing Stones." We sing this song at Samhain celebrations because the CElts believed that on that one night, the dead 'crossed the barrier' to visit their loved ones. This song gives me heebie-jeebies, albeit pleasant ones, every time I hear it. Vivien __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:54:03 -0500 From: Ben Subject: Re: ghost songs There's a very chilling song on the Byrds "5th Dimension" called something like "I Stand At Every Door", written from the perspective of a child killed at Hiroshima. Although, the lyrics are not by any of the Byrds, it is someone else's poem they set to music. Katherine Rossner wrote: > At 04:00 PM 1/14/00 +0000, Michael R Godwin wrote: > > >How many other ghost songs can you think of? 'Long black veil' is narrated > >by a ghost ("she visits my grave as the night winds wail"); but I don't > >think there are that many. > > Ellis Paul (yes, I'm on a binge) has a song called "Conversation with a > Ghost", whose text is reputed to be mostly what emerged from the Ouija > board when he was trying to contact a dead relative. > > On the fictional side, Dave Carter and Tracy Grammer sing "Kate and the > Ghost of Lost Love", with the verses alternating between Kate and the > ghost--who seem to have met and fallen in love entirely after the man's death. > > Katherine > n.p. tape of Ellis Paul's New Year's Eve concert > -- > Ye knowe ek, that in forme of speche is chaunge > Withinne a thousand yere, and wordes tho > That hadden pris, now wonder nyce and straunge > Us thinketh hem, and yit they spake hem so. > - Chaucer, "Troilus and Criseyde" ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #11 ******************************