From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #10 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, January 13 2000 Volume 09 : Number 010 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Does anyone know? [Glen Uber ] Re: [0%RH] SYR4-the art of noise [Charles Gillett ] Buchan/Bangles [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Re: Reissues/Wu/Buchan/Enz ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: in defense of satisfaction [Michael R Godwin ] Another trivia question [mrrunion@palmnet.net] Re: in defense of satisfaction [mrrunion@palmnet.net] Chronicles of Bustos Domencq [overbury@cn.ca] I want to go back to Michigan, to dear Ann Arbor town [Natalie Jacobs ] quick gig question [Bayard ] Re: in defense of satisfaction [ultraconformist@ets.cncdsl.com] Massive Corporate Shakedowns ["JH3" ] Re: in defense of satisfaction [ultraconformist@ets.cncdsl.com] Re: in defense of satisfaction [Eric Loehr ] Re: in defense of satisfaction [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: quick gig question [MARKEEFE@aol.com] "And schmaltzy country rock shall come to rule the earth!" [MARKEEFE@aol.] Re: "And schmaltzy country rock shall come to rule the earth!" ["Paul Chr] I prefer Brighton, myself. [Doc ] Re: "And schmaltzy country rock shall come to rule the earth!" [MARKEEFE@] Re: I prefer Brighton, myself. [Capuchin ] Re: I prefer Brighton, myself. ["JH3" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:06:36 -0800 From: Glen Uber Subject: Does anyone know? How is Randi doing? Reply offline if you prefer. Cheers! - -g- "If music makes people do things, how come we don't all love each other?" - --Frank Zappa, addressing Tipper Gore at the PMRC hearings, 1986 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 19:34:20 -0600 (CST) From: Charles Gillett Subject: Re: [0%RH] SYR4-the art of noise On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:41:54 -0600, hal brandt [...] > Here's an informative article from The NY Times Arts Section: > >> The directions for Steve Reich's 1968 "Pendulum Music," for instance, >> instruct a group of performers to swing microphones suspended above >> loudspeakers until they emit feedback. Although this might be >> provocative in concert, it is merely irritating on record. While I think this article is okay, and I like the stuff about Cardew, this bit baffles me. "Provocative?" How? "Hey, man, the microphones are really swingin', but is it jazz?" I *like* "Pendulum Music," I even like to sing along with it ("buh WHOObuh buh, buh WHOObuh buh"). I got the new CD of Reich's "Phase Patterns," etc., largely because it features three versions of "Pendulum Music." I can't really think of anything substantial to say about SYR 4, though. I must be going into my January torpor--the ol' noggin hasn't been very responsive lately. I like the Tenney piece--very simple, but hard to pull off (the score is available at the smellslikerecords.com site hal gave). I'm undecided about the Oliveros piece, and the wisdom of having separate versions of "Four to the Sixth" for each ear. I don't like the Wolff pieces as much as other things I've heard of his, but they're also quite different from my favorite Wolff works so my perception may be clouded (see _I Like To Think Of Harriet Tubman_ on Mode for the Wolff I like). - -- Charles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:44:39 +0100 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Buchan/Bangles >On Tue, 11 Jan 2000, Stewart C. Russell wrote: >> Buchan was the most famous former pupil of my [grammar] school. We were >> always reminded of this at every possible moment. At school, we were >> told that the name "The 39 Steps" came from the number of stairs up to >> Central Station from Union St in Glasgow. Dunno how many there are now, >> or how much to believe. > >In the (Alfred) Hitchcock film of the book, they apparently strayed so >far from the plot that Hitchcock forgot to explain the title altogether, >and had to tack on an additional scene "explaining" that they were 39 >German spies working in the UK (IIRC). What were the 39 Steps in the book? hmmm.If it's the version I'm thinking of (starring Robert Donat, ISTR), the steps were those leading down to a cave on a beach, or something.I wonder if the newly redesigned Wembly Stadiyum will keep its famed 39 steps? Here's aweird one.I got to thinking the other day.There are two songs I know of, and only two,that link the image of crocodiles and cigarettes.One is Insanely Jealous.The other is the Bangles hit "Walk like an Egyptian". Considering the Bangles' first claim to fame was a cover of a song written by ex-Soft Boy/Egyptian Mr. Kimberley Rew, I was kinda stretchin' and wonderin'... James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 08:38:54 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Reissues/Wu/Buchan/Enz Michael R Godwin wrote: > > What were the 39 Steps in the book? Dunno. Never read it. If my school bashed on about how great it was, it must suck mightily. > PS The most famous (indeed, the only famous) former pupil at my grammar > school was the late Screaming Lord Sutch ... The trouble is, I consider the most famous former pupil to be a kid who was in the year below me who left to become an actor, and got a part in the film Heavenly Pursuits (known, for some reason, as The Gospel According To Vic, in America) as a kid who was caught masturbating at the back of the class. My entry into SLS's memorial website was read as part of his eulogy. Fame... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 08:42:08 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: 39 Steps > Has anyone noticed the shared avian obsessions of our Hitchcocks? I just watched the new print of "Vertigo" last night, and didn't notice any birds. Not even a morethrumble. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 12:54:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: in defense of satisfaction On Tue, 11 Jan 2000, Eric Loehr wrote: > I think you're thinking of Dave Davies having slashed his speaker for "You > Really Got Me". I've read the story that Keef woke up in the middle of the > night, recorded the riff to the song on a little tape recorder next his > bed, and then didn't remember having done it the next day when he found > the tape. Of course, this could be yet another myth. The way I heard it, Keef used to obtain a guitar distortion effect by over-recording an _acoustic_ guitar on a cheap tape recorder. He did this regularly, not just on 'Satisfaction'. Then one day all the manufacturers of cheap tape recorders began to install volume limiters, so he couldn't do it any more. The news item I saw (25 years ago or whenever) said that Keef was at that time frantically combing the junk shops for old unlimited tape recorders. [Junk joke deliberately omitted here] - - Mike Godwin PS What was the answer to that 'Here there and everywhere' question? I think that the _tune_ is based on Jerome Kern's "The way you look tonight"; but the q. asked which group the lyric was about. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 05:20:41 -0800 From: mrrunion@palmnet.net Subject: Another trivia question Here's another one... > what then-session guitarist played lead on Frank Sinatra's > "Strangers in the Night"? Hmmm.... Mike - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 05:26:35 -0800 From: mrrunion@palmnet.net Subject: Re: in defense of satisfaction Mike Godwin asked: >PS What was the answer to that 'Here there and everywhere' >question? I think that the _tune_ is based on Jerome Kern's >"The way you look tonight"; but the q. asked which group >the lyric was about. The official answer was The Beach Boys "Wouldn't It Be Nice" and "God Only Knows". Something bugs me about that answer, but I don't know what. Anyway, no one got it right. Mike - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:42:26 -0500 From: overbury@cn.ca Subject: Chronicles of Bustos Domencq Hal offered this to us: >Here's an informative article from >The NY Times Arts Section: [mega snip] Read Borges' "The Chronicles of Bustos Domencq" and you'll smirk your way through NY Times article. - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:17:22 -0500 (EST) From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: I want to go back to Michigan, to dear Ann Arbor town > In fact, I often refer to > him as the second coolest guy from Michigan (right after Bruce > Campbell). Hey! What about Iggy Pop? - - the second coolest girl from Michigan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:23:22 +0000 From: "Matt Browne" Subject: Re: in defense of satisfaction On 11/01/00, at 17:06, Eric Loehr wrote: >I think you're thinking of Dave Davies having slashed >his speaker for "You Really Got Me". Just to clarify this one... Apparently it isn't a myth. Having said that, he didn't /slash/ the speaker - he just kicked it in. Also, it happened some time before You Really Got Me was recorded. I met a bloke about a year ago (a session guitarist in London) who absolutely *swears* that he now owns said amp, having bought it for a ridiculous price from someone who didn't know what he was selling. He ended up replacing the busted speaker, but still has the original speaker and can connect it if necessary. So there y'go! It sounds pretty unlikely to me, but I had no reason to doubt him at the time. (Incidentally, if anyone thinks this is a lie, and knows the current whereabouts of /real/ Davies amp, I'd be interested to hear it! Just to set the record straight, you understand..!) - -- Matt Browne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 13:55:06 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: quick gig question Tape mavens, Since it's another slowish list day, thought I'd throw this out. The legendary Mr Tews has, in his mighty compilation of setlists, this: 9/24/89 TT The Bear's, Cambridge RH A--Sometimes I Wish I Was A Pretty Girl; Cynthia Mask; Glass; I Got The Hots; Raining Twilight Coast; Linctus House; Sandra's Having Her Brain Out [cuts]; Beautiful Girl; The Bones In The Ground; Winter Love; Shelter From The Storm B--Queen Elvis; Old Pervert; The Ghost In You; The Band Faust; Draft Morning; Here She Comes Now; I'm Set Free; Strawberry Fields Forever; You're An Angel This apparently differs from the disc I have in two respects: Mine seems to lack both "Linctus House" and "Here She Comes Now" (by the Velvets.) Which is especially weird cos I made the digital master for the perma tree! (Which is where Eddie got it) Can anyone shed any light on this little discrepancy? Tom, you've got the original master tape... Have a listen y'all... =b ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 13:50:45 -0600 From: ultraconformist@ets.cncdsl.com Subject: Re: in defense of satisfaction >PS What was the answer to that 'Here there and everywhere' question? I >think that the _tune_ is based on Jerome Kern's "The way you look >tonight"; but the q. asked which group the lyric was about. For some odd reason, a small child is tugging at my subconscious yelling "Shangri-Las". This may not be correct but it is what the small child is yelling. I'm thinking The Miracles are a possibility, too. Love on ya. Susan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 14:09:41 -0600 From: "JH3" Subject: Massive Corporate Shakedowns I'm surprised nobody has mentioned AOL's purchase of Time-Warner on this list yet. Technically this means Scott Case will now control Robyn's recording contract! Hmmm, maybe this means they'll give away sampler CD's of new Hitchcock albums along with bags of pretzels on commercial airline flights... That actually might not be a bad thing, especially if they're the "honey mustard" variety. I haven't even heard the obvious joke that AOL bought them because they thought "Time Warner" was just another add-on program to notify their subscribers of when they'd exceeded their 100 free hours! Then again, I don't get out much. >PS What was the answer to that 'Here there and everywhere' question? I just automatically assumed it was Screamin' Lord Sutch, myself! John "not owned by any megacorporations - yet" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 14:27:36 -0600 From: ultraconformist@ets.cncdsl.com Subject: Re: in defense of satisfaction >The official answer was The Beach Boys "Wouldn't It Be Nice" >and "God Only Knows". Something bugs me about that answer, but >I don't know what. Anyway, no one got it right. Dagnabbit. You know, that seems very strange to me too. Where did that "official answer" come from? I have nary a clue about the current question. Guesses might be Gene Bertoncini or Jim Hall. Could have been any number of people. I haven't got a record or CD I can check as I don't like Sinatra all that much. Bleh. I'm irritable today, don't mind me. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 15:38:46 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Loehr Subject: Re: in defense of satisfaction On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 ultraconformist@ets.cncdsl.com wrote: > >The official answer was The Beach Boys "Wouldn't It Be Nice" > >and "God Only Knows". Something bugs me about that answer, but > >I don't know what. Anyway, no one got it right. > > Dagnabbit. > > You know, that seems very strange to me too. Where did that "official > answer" come from? I was wondering about that too -- was this in the anthology somewhere? > I have nary a clue about the current question. Guesses might be Gene > Bertoncini or Jim Hall. Could have been any number of people. I haven't got > a record or CD I can check as I don't like Sinatra all that much. Bleh. I'm > irritable today, don't mind me. > This is probably way off, but my guess is maybe Glen Campbell? He did lots of session stuff back then. Eric np: Wichita Lineman (well, ok, not really -- unless you count a vague memory in my head -- which is, of course, where most of the stuff that spews out into my email comes from) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:20:12 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: in defense of satisfaction In a message dated 1/12/00 5:32:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, mrrunion@palmnet.net writes: << >PS What was the answer to that 'Here there and everywhere' >question? I think that the _tune_ is based on Jerome Kern's >"The way you look tonight"; but the q. asked which group >the lyric was about. The official answer was The Beach Boys "Wouldn't It Be Nice" and "God Only Knows". Something bugs me about that answer, but I don't know what. Anyway, no one got it right. >> Hmm. "Pet Sounds" came out in May of 1966; "Revolver" in August of that same year (according to "The Wee Rock Discography). It's a little hard to believe that the writing and recording of a song on an album could have truned around quite that quickly. In case you were wondering "Wouldn't It Be Nice/God Only Knows" was *not* an advanced single. It came out in July of '66. I wouldn;t say that this info proves that "the official answer" is wrong; just highly suspect . . . although the Beatles and the Beach Boys were constantly playing off of each in those days, one group providing the creative yardstick for the other's next album (as I'm sure most of you already know). - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:28:38 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: quick gig question Bayard (and whoever else cares), I'm pretty sure I got my CDR copy of this show from you. I'm also prety sure that the tracklisting provided didn't really match up to the actual songs. I'm once again pretty sure that the listing I have on my trading site accurately reflects what's really on my CDR at home. Said listing follows. You might want to listen to your copy and see if it matches up with what you have as a tracklisting. As for the missing Velvets song, I can only imagine that the show's too long to fit on a 74 minute CDR. ROBYN HITCHCOCK, TT the Bear's, Cambridge, Mass., 9/24/89, AUD, CS, 73, B+ 1 Sometimes I Wish I Was a Pretty Girl 2 Cynthia Mask 3 Glass 4 I Got the Hots 5 Raining Twilight Coast 6 Linctus House 7 Sandra's Having Her Brain Out 8 Beautiful Girl 9 The Bones in the Ground 10 Winter Love 11 Shelter from the Storm (Bob Dylan) 12 Queen Elvis 13 Old Pervert 14 Ghost in You (Psychedelic Furs) 15 the Band Faust 16 Draft Morning (Byrds) 17 I'm Set Free (Velvet Underground) 18 Strawberry Fields Forever (Beatles) 19 You're an Angel - -----Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:46:56 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: "And schmaltzy country rock shall come to rule the earth!" It's the dawn of a new millennium. Do we have cool cars that fly? Can we now all use 73% of our brain's capacity? (okay, TGQ can, of course!) No, but we can now say that the best-selling album of all-time is the incredibly cool, hip, trend-setting and mega-futuristic "Greatest Hits Volume 1, 1971-1975" by the Eagles. Yup, it apparently recently surpassed Michael Jackson's "Thriller." It's always amazes me that "Dark Side of the Moon" hasn't sold more than all of these albums combined. I mean, it was only on the Billboard Top 200 for around 800 weeks! (I remember the week it fell off, actually) I also always think it should be a Beatles album, but you usually don't see the record clubs handing out Beatles albums, whereas that Eagles disc is generally one of the 50 or so you can get when you first subscribe to get 13 for a penny (or whatever it is). Plus, there are so many Beatles albums to choose from. Probbaly some people only own "Sgt. Pepper's," while others may only have "Abbey Road" or "Revolver." Lastly, isn't it kinda sickening that the best-selling album of all-time is a compilation?! Or maybe I'm an overly strong believer in full-length original albums. Could be. - ------Michael K. np: "Eye" (Don Henley, watch out! ;-)) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:04:57 -0600 From: "Paul Christian Glenn" Subject: Re: "And schmaltzy country rock shall come to rule the earth!" >It's the dawn of a new millennium. Do we have cool cars that fly? www.moller.com/skycar Paul Christian Glenn pcg@mailandnews.com Eon Chamber http://eonchamber.virtualave.net Christian Realists http://x-real.firinn.org Currently reading: "To Dance With the White Dog" by Terry Kay ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 14:19:02 -0800 (PST) From: Doc Subject: I prefer Brighton, myself. Robyn's plans for Global Domination unfold... - ---------------------------------------------- From ABCNews.com... British village declares independence LONDON, Jan 12 (Reuters) - A small village on the border between east and west Sussex has broken away from Britain and declared its independence. East Grinstead now calls itself the People's Republic of Ashurst Wood Nation State (PRAWNS). Visitors need visas to get through the passport controls on the four entrances to the village and the residents have already established their own ministries. The Ministry for Mental Health doubles up as the village pub, but the community leader, or King Prawn, says there is a serious side to what started out as a lighthearted millennium project. "We're trying to gain our own independence. It sometimes feels that the county council (local government) is a very, very long way away and they've never been to visit us," he told BBC radio on Wednesday. Chairman of the County Council Ian Elliott said the village's problems would be "worked on" with district councils. "They've got very real problems," he said. "Newcomers distort the pattern of the village. They're on the A22 [a very busy road] so they've got considerable traffic problems." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:25:08 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: "And schmaltzy country rock shall come to rule the earth!" In a message dated 1/12/00 2:08:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, pcg@mailandnews.com writes: << >It's the dawn of a new millennium. Do we have cool cars that fly? www.moller.com/skycar >> Yeah, okay, but does it come with a CD player in the dash? If I'm going to be flying at 350 mph, I wanna be crankin' "Witchy Women" full volume! 'Of course, this machine would have to be capable of VTOL, be easy to maintain, cost effective and reliable.' What exactly do they consider the "cost effective" range on this baby? Maybe we could all chip in! Like a time share! 'No matter how you look at it the automobile is only an interim step on our evolutionary path to independence from gravity.' Uhhh . . . unless you look at "it" from a Newtonian perspective, I suppose. It seems to me that, as long as we're talking about travelling within the Earth's atmosphere (as we are in this case), there's always going to be that little umbilical cord called gravity tugging away at our notions of true independence ;-) - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 15:50:13 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: I prefer Brighton, myself. On Wed, 12 Jan 2000, Doc wrote: > Robyn's plans for Global Domination unfold... > >From ABCNews.com... > British village declares independence > East Grinstead now calls itself the People's Republic of Ashurst Wood > Nation State (PRAWNS). I don't know how many of you just saw this and laughed it off as a fegjoke, but it's THERE. http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/reuters20000112_524.html Am I missing something? Is there really some non-Robyn connection between East Grinstead and prawns? Is this Time-Warner, under AOL's new non-news-oriented perspective already putting out false media stories just to boost record sales? What the fuck? Oh... and it's Steve Case, not Scott. J. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:20:19 -0600 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: I prefer Brighton, myself. From: Capuchin >Oh... and it's Steve Case, not Scott. I have four possible responses to this one: 1. That's just what he *tells* people, so that people who went to his high school back in the 70's won't come around to his house and ask him for money. 2. How do you expect me to know his first name? The guy's with *AOL*, for chrissake! 3. I deliberately used the wrong first name so that the Orwellian e-mail filtering programs at AOL wouldn't pick out the string and automatically forward the message to him, alerting him to our existence and putting the feglist in jeopardy of being purchased for substantially less than $170 billion. * 4. This is my totally ineffective way of getting back at people who persist in referring to me as "John Hedge". Take your pick... JH3 * Don't bother, Steve, I wasn't in the yearbook... ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #10 ******************************