From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #7 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, January 9 2000 Volume 09 : Number 007 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: who is wu? [Eric Loehr ] foldingbone.com ["Faecal Emergency" ] my wu-name; the music tapes still bad ["shane apple" ] Re: who is wu? [mad ] Re: who is wu? [Terrence M Marks ] Re: foldingbone.com [Capuchin ] Re: who is wu? [lj lindhurst ] Re: who is wu? [Jon Fetter ] eb all over the folding bone ["Faecal Emergency" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 16:03:18 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Loehr Subject: Re: who is wu? On Sat, 8 Jan 2000, Bayard wrote: > that's fun, wonder how it works. I took the liberty of looking up the > fegs. looks pretty accurate: > Jeme Brelin: Excitable Misunderstood Genius > Susan Dodge: Inscrutable Drama Queen Susan, you might be pleased to know that Robyn Hitchcock also = Inscrutable Drama Queen Although then again, the more names you enter, the more duplicates start showing up. Eric "Grand Moff Puppeteer ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 13:13:26 PST From: "Faecal Emergency" Subject: foldingbone.com i wasn't so much mocking the events themselves. while i do find new year's eve celebrations inane, and for the most part (especially this year) manufactured; if people want to partake, more power to them. i was mocking your reaction to them. and if that sounds a bit cruel, well, perhaps it is. but you know i love you, jeme. and i know you can take a little bit of ribbing now and again. i fail to see how getting blasted and firing off a bunch of mortar shots at midnight on new year's eve qualifies as "embracing the quality of sharing". and i fail to see how a municipality that will spend thousands of dollars on a fucking moronic fireworks display that will have been entirely forgotten ten minutes after it ends, but doesn't give fuck one about the thousands of people starving or otherwise suffering within its city limits, is doing so either. first off, i don't think it's the media's job to make people feel good. i think it's its job to tell the truth. remember, that wasn't a special 24-hour edition of Entertainment Tonite you were watching: it was (purportedly) World News Now (or whatever). as for your assertion: one, i don't consider "bad" news "sensational" in and of itself; two, i couldn't possibly disagree more. if all you see on the tube all day every day is the benevolence of the u. s. of a., well, you'll tend to believe it. but if you're exposed to the end result of state/corporate power, you might start to ask questions. if that's *not* true, we may as well bag the whole thing. anyway, we can take a test case or three. the earthquake in turkey, hurricane mitch, the kosovo albanian refugee crisis. all elicited massive empathetic responses, including americans opening up their pocketbooks and sending scads of money. why would the situation in iraq be any different? we know why it's not in the news, but that's beside the point. that's just straight-up bullshit. more gibberish. but the truth of the matter is, the system *is* banal. whatever horrors it visits upon the vast majority of the world's population, it's precisely the banality, the tv-isation, of it, that makes its unquestioned propagation so easy. go out and buy more plastic, just so long as you don't know how it got onto your grocery store shelf, y'know? investigating nato for war crimes (that it incontrovertibly committed) is "dreams being squashed"? maybe ask some people on the streets of belgrade (or baghdad) how many of their dreams were squashed every time we saw fit to drop a load of bombs upon their heads. if bill clinton (one of the biggest war criminals of this, or any, century) were actually *charged* with the crimes he's committed, it'd be one of the greatest victories for *justice* in all of history. because it might, just might, deter the next asshole that sits in the white house from dropping more (and because the united states might, just might, be admonished to somehow try to help put back together societies that it had utterly shattered). that wouldn't be a good thing? and it's not as if these things just happen. the bosses don't get up one morning and think, "you know, it's time for a little bit of sanity in this world." the yugoslavia war crimes tribunal completed ignored nato's crimes, focusing only on milosevic's, and finally, after months and months, relented, in the face of massive grassroots pressure. same with the wto, in essence. the talks collapsed because the delegates from the third world countries, emboldned by the tens of thousands of dissenters in the streets, refused to take it in the shorts again. this is not speculation or interpretation. this is exactly what they've said. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 21:28:27 GMT From: "shane apple" Subject: my wu-name; the music tapes still bad hi, i'm pleased that my wu-name is "tha visible choirboy" : ) somebody (jeff, cookie, or sebastian) asked whether the music tapes are bad in a way that a person who likes bad music might like them. i'm not really sure what that means. it has to be one of the following: 1) so bad that they're good in a kind of funny way (shaggs, william shatner, etc.) 2) bad like bon jovi or megadeth i'm thinking the person meant #1. the music tapes aren't bad in an amusing way at all. they're more bad in a hey-we're-trying-to-be-really-neat-and-experimental-here-and-i-hope-you-notice-and-don't-pay-attention-to-the-fact-that-we-can't-write-an-even-halfway-decent-song-you-funky-cowboy-you kinda way. it's the kind of album you want to stab yourself in the head for spending money on. it's the kind of thing that should offend the avant garde. it's not #2 kind of bad either, but that's closer. i reckon it's still a dull listen for anybody, but it's a more creative kind of bad than most of the bad stuff out there. i have no idea why anybody would keep a chart showing how often they listened to their c.d.s. i'm not sure i get this one at all. i can tell you that i've heard the beckster c.d. about 500 times since it came out which blows that person's (jeff, cookie, sebastian?) magnetic fields thing away. i'm not sure what this proves. thinking my wife will be annoyed when i tell her that her wu-name is "tha winged cow", shane apple n.p. residents *santa dog* p.s. the newer star wars figures are better than the ones i played with. and speaking of star wars, i pray to god that yoda fights with a light saber in the next movie. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 16:21:06 -0800 From: Eb Subject: beyond Wu While you're playing with the WuBot... This site made me laugh harder than just about any other website I've ever seen: http://www.abusedshoes.com/wetshoe/. Warning: NO sexual content!! (Well, depending on your point of view....) Eb, noting that Ol' Dirty Bastard's WuName is "Lazy-Assed Destroyer," and Method Man's is "Vangelic Surgeon"...hmmm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 20:23:58 -0500 From: mad Subject: Re: who is wu? I'm proud to say my real name results in Lesbian Pimp while Scary Mary turns up Radiophonic Oddity. s. Mary ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 03:09:20 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: who is wu? On Sat, 8 Jan 2000, Bayard wrote: > Susan Dodge: Inscrutable Drama Queen That's Robyn Hitchcock's Wu-Name too... Just imagine the confusion that must cause when they're chillin' together. Kimberley Rew is Sheepish Lord of Chaos Andy Metcalfe is Superintendent God-Botherer Roger Jackson is Officer Stinkah Morris Windsor is Asthmatic Enemy of God Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 00:21:47 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: foldingbone.com On Sat, 8 Jan 2000, Faecal Emergency wrote: > first off, i don't think it's the media's job to make people feel > good. i think it's its job to tell the truth. Then how about telling the whole truth? How about showing people suffering and then showing those same people doing something other than suffering? How about showing them going to work and talking to their kids and trying to get by in a place where suffering happens more often (or at least in a different class or degree) than in an American middle class home. > as for your assertion: one, i don't consider "bad" news > "sensational" in and of itself; two, i couldn't possibly disagree > more. if all you see on the tube all day every day is the > benevolence of the u. s. of a., well, you'll tend to believe it. > but if you're exposed to the end result of state/corporate power, > you might start to ask questions. Is the goal to bring down the U. S. of A. or to end suffering and make generally raise the level of freedom, justice and happiness in the world? Just wondering, because sometimes I think you fail to see the difference. > if that's *not* true, we may as well bag the whole thing. anyway, we > can take a test case or three. the earthquake in turkey, hurricane > mitch, the kosovo albanian refugee crisis. all elicited massive > empathetic responses, including americans opening up their > pocketbooks and sending scads of money. why would the situation in > iraq be any different? we know why it's not in the news, but that's > beside the point. Sending money to relief efforts doesn't really do much. It relieves the short-term suffering and leaves the causes of the problem in place. Now, certainly we're not going to do much to stop earthquakes and hurricanes from ever happening again (and I think those are poor examples exactly because people already automatically sympathize with natural disaster victims, being something that could literally happen to anyone), but clothing and feeding a bunch of refugees doesn't give them their lives and their nation back. > a while and I think of Chechnyans as "those folks that fight all the time".> > that's just straight-up bullshit. It's not. If you ask someone what's going on in Chechnya right now, they'll say "folks are fightin'". And what else is going on? All the same things that are going on everywhere else. People are living human lives. They're working and worrying about their kids' development and occassionally getting together with friends and wondering what's for dinner. But we don't think of those people as doing those things. They're somewhat dehumanized by their depiction in the media. We only ever see them in the context of war. They are not like us. > > more gibberish. More ebbish dismissal. > but the truth of the matter is, the system *is* banal. whatever > horrors it visits upon the vast majority of the world's population, > it's precisely the banality, the tv-isation, of it, that makes its > unquestioned propagation so easy. go out and buy more plastic, just > so long as you don't know how it got onto your grocery store shelf, > y'know? If you're saying that people see the tyranny of the first world so often that they become complacent, I do know. But if you're saying something else, I don't get it. But what I'm saying (again and again and again) is that we don't see the people we crush as the same as us. Twelve year old factory workers in southeast asia is a sad fact that makes most Americans shrug their shoulders and say "too bad, really". But if there were twelve year old factory workers in Gresham, Oregon, nobody in the Union would buy Oregon goods. (I wish it were the same for twelve year olds sold into Hollywood slavery, too.) There's an unfortunate difference between what is OK for Americans and what is OK for human beings. > will bring about good change, but they are all negative. They are people > being punished and dreams being squashed.> > investigating nato for war crimes (that it incontrovertibly committed) is > "dreams being squashed"? No, investigating NATO for war crimes is "people being punished". Stopping the WTO talks in Seattle is "dreams being squashed". > maybe ask some people on the streets of belgrade (or baghdad) how > many of their dreams were squashed every time we saw fit to drop a > load of bombs upon their heads. Like I said, dreams being squashed is a bad thing. > if bill clinton (one of the biggest war criminals of this, or any, century) > were actually *charged* with the crimes he's committed, it'd be one of the > greatest victories for *justice* in all of history. because it might, just > might, deter the next asshole that sits in the white house from dropping > more (and because the united states might, just might, be admonished to > somehow try to help put back together societies that it had utterly > shattered). that wouldn't be a good thing? It would be a good thing if the US didn't drop so many bombs on people. It would NOT be a good thing to have the President of the United States go to prison. If he deserved it, then of course it must happen. But that doesn't make it a good thing. It is not a good thing to see evil punished. However, it is a good thing to be without evil, so we must punish the evil that exists and cross our fingers. The rest has nothing to do with the points either of us were making, but I can't just let them slide, either: > same with the wto, in essence. the talks collapsed because the > delegates from the third world countries, emboldned by the tens of > thousands of dissenters in the streets, refused to take it in the > shorts again. this is not speculation or interpretation. this is > exactly what they've said. What the FUCK are you talking about? The talks were crippled before they began by a complete lack of formal agenda. The talks were plagued by battles between European delegates and the US over genetically modified organisms and the like. The protestors drew attention to the talks and made it more difficult for the US to support unethical action without a shining spotlight. But beside that, you really think the thirld world nations cared about the protestors in the streets? Some of those delegates were downright PISSED. The leaders of those countries don't feel shat upon by the rich nations, they feel that environmental and labor regulation will cripple their nation's ability to compete. They are exactly the reason we HAVE protestors. The third world leaders see their cheap labor and lack of environmental responsibility as advantages to world trade! If the leaders in the third world wanted to stop their people and resources from being polluted and drained by multinational corporations, they'd pass some real regulations and make the kind of exploitation they harbor illegal. But they don't. Because they like the influx of money and fear that they'll lose the business to their neighbor country that doesn't have regulations. And that's exactly what would happen. And the WTO says it's illegal for the US (or any nation) to not accept goods simply because the nation we get it from uses some unsavory practice like child labor or environmental rape to process those goods. And that helps those third world nations keep their people down and their land polluted and the bit money rolling in. I'm going to sleep. Je. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 13:41:49 -0500 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: who is wu? Man, I was robbed! lj lindhurst=Sweaty Butcher That's AWFUL!!! I'll have you know I wear deodorant at least twice a week and I haven't been NEAR a butcher shop in days. lj p.s., hmm, wonder if Tom Clark has caused some sort of third world Y2K calamity yet... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 15:04:49 -0500 From: Jon Fetter Subject: Re: who is wu? Jonathan Fetter= Tha 23rd Buchan I like the "law of fives" number, but whatthehell is a Buchan? A supporter of the antichrist/presidential candidate, or the former president from Pennsylvania? Jon - ------------------------------------------------------------------- "Ireland, Scotland, Brittany, Wales, let's go out and count some quails." --TGQ, "The Celtic Quails of Cornwall" (Re-mix by Trevor Horn) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 13:32:45 PST From: "Faecal Emergency" Subject: eb all over the folding bone this is really in the running for my favorite headline of all times! the story itself could easily be a robyn song, really. (and just imagine how cool the video would be!) . gotta love paragraphs 5, 7 and 9 as well! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #7 *****************************