From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V9 #4 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, January 6 2000 Volume 09 : Number 004 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Heavy, man. [Katherine Rossner ] Heaviness [Vivien Lyon ] ignore previous, please [Katherine Rossner ] Heavy Squid [Christopher Gross ] Re: Heavy, man. [Aaron Mandel ] RIP, sort of [tanter ] No/RH,Marty Wilson-Piper MP3 [MPys2626@aol.com] RE: RIP, sort of updated [tanter ] Re: Heavy, man. [Ethyl Ketone ] Re: Heavy Harv's Monster Rock [Eb ] Heavy RIP Puppy [Christopher Gross ] Re: Heavy RIP Puppy [Eb ] Pitchfork's top 100 [Eb ] [OT] For those who may care... ["Paul Christian Glenn" ] Iiiii'm Baaaaaccck... [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] resurrecting an old thread (wading through 2 weeks of digests) [digja611@] robynbase ["Melissa Higuchi" ] Re: robynbase [Bayard ] Re: robynbase [Ethyl Ketone ] Re: robynbase ["JH3" ] Re: resurrecting an old thread (wading through 2 weeks of digests) [Capuc] Re: Iiiii'm Baaaaaccck... [Capuchin ] Re: U.S. publication of Cale bio ["Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Heavy, man. At 01:00 PM 1/5/00 -0500, you wrote: >True. But I'd say it's more of a quantitative than a qualitative >difference. We disagree here. > If you're going to make trouble for someone, why not go whole >hog? If you get pleasure out of upsetting others, why stop at causing >just a *little* upset? Most importantly, because (as I said) I don't see how this prank could have been seriously upsetting to anyone. For another thing, because there *is* a huge distinction between causing some confusion (even consternation) and doing actual emotional damage. For a third, because if there were emotional damage to be done here (as already stated, I don't see it), I think there's also a real difference even in the quantitative. If somebody were really annoying me, might I slap him (NOT hard enough to cause pain, but enough that the touch would register)? Yes, maybe, under certain circumstances. (please note all the qualifiers in this paragraph!) Would I punch him in the face and try to break his nose? Absolutely not, unless he was physically attacking me--with an approximately corresponding level of force--and I couldn't find any way to get away or to defend myself without force. Is the distinction between a slap and a punch *only* quantitative? Again, it doesn't seem so to me. > And if you're going to select your victims solely >on the basis of their jobs, why not choose some of them on the basis of >their children's jobs instead? Easier to sort? :> And few of them bear responsibility for their children's jobs, whereas they have at least minimal choice in their own. Katherine - -- Ye knowe ek, that in forme of speche is chaunge Withinne a thousand yere, and wordes tho That hadden pris, now wonder nyce and straunge Us thinketh hem, and yit they spake hem so. - Chaucer, "Troilus and Criseyde" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:36:45 -0800 (PST) From: Vivien Lyon Subject: Heaviness - --- Christopher Gross wrote: > Hmph! Compete with me in sarcasm, will ye? Well, all I can > say is, > you're right Thanks. Oh, you were being sarcastic. Damn. Well, no matter what you think of the prank, or pranks in general, the incident seems to have actually occurred. Visit the Cacophonist website at la.cacophony.org. While they don't have pictures of this event, the other pictures on the site make me believe they would have no fear to perpeptrate said jape. Chris, you will be unpleased to note that it's hosted by The Laughing Squid. While it seems obvious after visiting their site that these people are more into spectacle than subversion, I applaud the impulse to engage with society outside the rigid confines of the global marketplace. And no, I don't much care about the feelings of a chain store manager. I'm not one of your touchy-feelie liberals. Vivien __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 13:40:59 -0500 From: Katherine Rossner Subject: ignore previous, please Yes, it was too much of a digression and shouldn't have gone to the whole list. Sorry. (As to the main point, can I second capuchin's post?) Katherine - -- Ye knowe ek, that in forme of speche is chaunge Withinne a thousand yere, and wordes tho That hadden pris, now wonder nyce and straunge Us thinketh hem, and yit they spake hem so. - Chaucer, "Troilus and Criseyde" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:13:10 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Heavy Squid On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Vivien Lyon wrote: > Chris, > you will be unpleased to note that it's hosted by The Laughing > Squid. What a silly name! Squid don't laugh. They just smile quietly and maybe arch one eyebrow. - --Chris, who has a job not unlike that of a store manager, and therefore is perhaps biased against those who tease them ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:20:43 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Heavy, man. On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Christopher Gross wrote: > And if you're going to select your victims solely on the basis of > their jobs, why not choose some of them on the basis of their > children's jobs instead? "but Your Honor, the straw man was asking for it!" the 'victims' (a loaded word choice which some might say was begging the question) weren't chosen solely on the basis of their jobs. the writer very clearly said that they targeted the store manager over the other people present, presumably because he was smug, arrogant, and had abjured his normal human capacity for being interested in concrete-filled bears. having been in on a few pranks that involved unknowing people who were at their place of employment, i strongly suspect that anyone who showed the slightest glimmer of complicity would have been embraced by the cacophonists. that is a little circular of me to say, though, since if someone picks up on the joke or seems inclined to roll with it, they have already stopped being the 'victim' of the joke -- the supposed injury to them, which i gather is along the lines of lost productivity and insult to professional dignity, is apparently more than worth trading for a little fun. and, at least when i was working crappy office and retail jobs, any diversion would have been welcome. nor is the job market so perpetually tight, in most places, that we should treat people's jobs as some involuntary quality they have come to possess for which they must be held blameless. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 13:54:00 -0600 From: tanter Subject: RIP, sort of Visited my (current) town's black cemetary today. The very first grave a came across belongs to a man named Raymond Chandler. Kinda' eerie..... Marcy L. Tanter Assistant Professor of English Tarleton State University Stephenville, TX 76401 254-968-9892 (9039 to leave a message) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:50:52 EST From: MPys2626@aol.com Subject: No/RH,Marty Wilson-Piper MP3 Hey Fegs, I'm usually just a low-down subterraneous lurker...BUT...this is important to me.Dahty Mahty has been a fave of mine since first hearing The Church back in the ether of 1981.They've been a perennial in my garden along with our Luther Paisley since my first hearing them.MWP has a new album coming out real soon entitled Hanging Out In Heaven and Heyday Records has an MP3 posted for Forget The Radio at their website.Great song,a prelude to wot I believe's gonna' be corker of an album! Marty's exquisite vocals,his ISSUES,chiming Rickenbackers,harmonies on high,AND IT'S FREE... http:// client.ibboards.com/hotelwomb/Forum5/HTML/000007.html "Forget the Radio,send the D.J. home,develop on your own....Andy Partridge,Robert Wyatt,you hear it then you buy it..." Mahty has always worn his heart and his influences on his sleeve! Ta Yas Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 14:00:32 -0600 From: tanter Subject: RE: RIP, sort of updated >===== Original Message From tanter ===== >Visited my (current) town's black cemetary today. The very first grave a came >across belongs to a man named Raymond Chandler. Kinda' eerie..... make that "I came across...." ;) Marcy L. Tanter Assistant Professor of English Tarleton State University Stephenville, TX 76401 254-968-9892 (9039 to leave a message) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 12:25:05 -0700 From: Ethyl Ketone Subject: Re: Heavy, man. At 10:24 AM -0800 1/5/00, Capuchin wrote: >Check out the archives of the LA Cacophony Society or the Portland >Cacophony Society at >http://la.cacophony.org/ >and >http://portland.cacophony.org/ >respectively. Both of whom are the monster children of the San Francisco Cacophony Society (the original): http://www.zpub.com/caco/ Of which I am not sure I am proud to say I was quite active when it began and through the first 6 years or so. Anything we thought up was, and still is possible. On that same note, some of us stopped calling ourselves cacophonists when it all became an elaborate excuse for a party and "theater" went out of the picture and when a few members in the society began plans for world domination - hence the bastard children alll over the map. I have found in recent years an element of nasty attitude from many of the groups - "as pranksters we are superior than most" - and find it difficult at best to be around. While I think of pranks and urbban adventures all the time, I still don't wish to align myself with cacophony. Sheesh, I should of known cacophony would creep on to the feg list sooner or later. Yikes, I can't get away!! Be Seeing You, - - carrie "currently in her beloved northern california but unfortunately not in the bay area" g. "Questions are a burden for others. Answers are a prison for oneself." **************************************************************************** M.E.Ketone/C.Galbraith meketone@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 12:48:18 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Heavy Harv's Monster Rock >from:439 > >Man or Astro-man?, Birdstuff > > 9. The Soft Boys, Underwater Moonlight There's also somewhere on the CDNow site where Scott McCaughey ranks "Jewels for Sophia" #5 for 1999, but then again, his vote really shouldn't count. ;) >BEAVIS and BUTTHEAD: "Huh, huh. Huh, huh." > >BEAVIS: "Fire! Fire!" BUTTHEAD: "Skinny Puppy! Skinny Puppy!" >Check out the archives of the LA Cacophony Society at >http://la.cacophony.org/ I bookmarked this site, long ago. ;) >Oh dear. Yes, Chris, you're right. The only reason I like that >story is because I dig it when people mindlessly torment other >people for no reason. You know, the endless stream of >mind-numbing crap that toystores provide kids with not only gets >the little assholes out of their parents' way and involved in a >predigested fantasy, but the materialiasm they promote will last >with the children their whole lives. Plus, their imaginations >will be permanently neutered and they'll be dependent on the >entertainment culture as adults, which you know is good for the >economy. Yes, the modern toystore is indeed a bastion of the >community. Shame on me for finding a filthy, evil prank >perpetrated on such a noble industry amusing. > >And no, I don't much care about the feelings >of a chain store manager. I'm not one of your touchy-feelie >liberals. Wheee. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 16:07:45 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Heavy RIP Puppy Aaron wrote: > having been in on a few pranks that involved unknowing people who were at > their place of employment, i strongly suspect that anyone who showed the > slightest glimmer of complicity would have been embraced by the > cacophonists. that is a little circular of me to say, though, since if > someone picks up on the joke or seems inclined to roll with it, they have > already stopped being the 'victim' of the joke -- the supposed injury to > them, which i gather is along the lines of lost productivity and insult to > professional dignity, is apparently more than worth trading for a little > fun. No, the "injury" is the annoyance of having to deal with an unsolvable problem at work: in this case trying to help an irate customer who wants to buy a product that doesn't exist, and which menaces one's toes, to boot (heh). At least, *I* would find that annoying; but then, I am an old grouch who probably isn't representative of the population at large. As for the manager, if you'll read the story carefully you'll see that he wasn't singled out because the pranksters thought he deserved punishment; rather, the problem was brought to a manager whom the pranksters handn't seen yet, and the pranksters were delighted to realize that he was the kind of person who could be easily tormented. "The manager arrives, and he is young and sour-looking. Easily a control freak. We feel he is our divinely ordained victim...." were the exact words. Jeme tried his best, but I'm afraid I still can't see the Great Bear Caper as a tool for positive social change. Nor does the Cacophonist writer himself, as far as I can tell; his main emotion seems to be a smug feeling of superiority to those stupid store employees and customers who can't figure out the joke. > >Visited my (current) town's black cemetary today. The very first grave > a > came > >across belongs to a man named Raymond Chandler. Kinda' eerie..... > > make that "I came across...." ;) I thought you were trying to spell "I" with a Texan accent. ;) Eb wrote: > >BEAVIS and BUTTHEAD: "Huh, huh. Huh, huh." > > > >BEAVIS: "Fire! Fire!" > > BUTTHEAD: "Skinny Puppy! Skinny Puppy!" Finally! That's the first time this year that you made me laugh out loud, Eb. - --Chris, who, on 24 Dec. 1999, tried to convince his sister that _Remission_ was actually _A Skinny Puppy Christmas_. (Unsuccessfully.) ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 13:22:28 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Heavy RIP Puppy Chris: >> >BEAVIS and BUTTHEAD: "Huh, huh. Huh, huh." >> > >> >BEAVIS: "Fire! Fire!" >> >> BUTTHEAD: "Skinny Puppy! Skinny Puppy!" > >Finally! That's the first time this year that you made me laugh out loud, >Eb. Finally? Jeez, I've only posted about four times this year.... Eb, trying to figure out his top 10 singles of the year and getting pretty sick of agonizing over these decisions PS Who was it here who's in touch with Fluid Ounces? Miles? What's up with them? I hear they're off Spongebath? What's more, the last time I checked the Spongebath Records site, it was just GONE.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 15:00:58 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Pitchfork's top 100 Just since everybody else already posted their "counts" and the Pitchfork site is finally operational again (and with a different background, thankfully!), my count is...51. Albums I dumped: 22. Which leaves me with a size-27 hole in my experiences. As for the albums I'm lame for not having heard: Again, Tortoise: Millions Now Living Will Never Die, Slint: Spiderland, the Beastie Boys: Check Your Head and DJ Shadow: Endtroducing.... [all also on the SPIN list] plus Primal Scream: Screamadelica Belle & Sebastian: Tigermilk *and* If You're Feeling Sinister [yep, I'm pretty fookin' ignorant when it comes to B+S] Magnetic Fields: The Charm of the Highway Strip Tortoise: same Amon Tobin: two different albums [jeez, I haven't even heard of this guy!] Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 17:55:44 -0600 From: "Paul Christian Glenn" Subject: [OT] For those who may care... The Eon Chamber website has finally been re-designed and updated with new songs available for download in both RealAudio and mp3 formats. If you get the notion, please do check it out at: http://eonchamber.virtualave.net and let us know what you think of the site and/or the tunes. We now return you to regularly scheduled programming. :) Paul Christian Glenn pcg@mailandnews.com Eon Chamber http://eonchamber.virtualave.net Christian Realists http://x-real.firinn.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 17:13:57 -0600 From: hal brandt Subject: Re: jag my memory Eric Broome (aka "GondolaBob" aka "GB") in yet another of his net 'personas' "Eb" (...you're never alone with a schizophrenic!) wrote: > please emphasize reissues with a sense of "history" > I should've asked for > something more general like "archival releases," instead. "Johnny Cash (aka 'The Man In Black') at Folsom Prison". One of the year's best archival releases. Also: "Oar"- Alexander Spence (aka "Skip") /hal (aka hal, Hal or "Hal") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:53:08 +0100 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Iiiii'm Baaaaaccck... after the university decided that December 24th was a reasonable time to start Y2K testing. yes, it was a good one, yes, I saw 2000 before most of youse guys, but it didn't feel much different from 1999. It persisted with rain, for much of the day, although midnight on the big night was fine, if cool for this time of year (about 16C/60F). If any of you saw any TV coverage of New Zealand being the first place to see the new year and 'enter the 21st century' (feh. Call me old fashioned, but I still say it's a year early), then you may have seen an old Victorian town hall clock strike 12. Maybe. Although shown on TV as being Auckland, it was here in Dunedin, and I was one of 30,000 people partying below it. Lotsafun. Despite the TV coverage being long (and who wants to spend all of new year's day watching TV anyway - the only reason I did was that it was too wet to go to the beach), I feel it gave a real sense of the turn of the planet and the, well, global nature of humankind - "It's quarter past five - - that was the midnight celebrations live from New York, now let's go to the Dead Sea where the sun is just rising". Anyhoo, I hope you all had great ones. It's good to be back. James PS - Mike, did you ever post all the answers to that lyrics quiz? James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:53:34 +0100 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: resurrecting an old thread (wading through 2 weeks of digests) One hit wonders - did anyone mention Blind Faith? I believe that Beth Orton and William Orbit recorded an album together as Spill. I've heard the single off it, and want to hear MORE!!! >While I was at the OED, I did find the word "morethrumble", an obscure >form of "mire-drum", itself an archaic term for "bittern" [a shy marsh >bird that makes a strange booming sound.]. Hope that assuages your word >needs for today. shy enough to launch itself loudly and vertically from the flax bush in which it is hiding when someone cycles past it. Gravel road, too. Very painful. >Patrick O'Brian comes up with a few goodies in his nautical novels: >wariangle: some sort of game bird (snipe, possibly) marthambles: a ghastly >disease which strikes down sailors. Try also the absolutely splendid Gene Wolfe trilogy "Book of the New Sun". Apart from being an excellent read, Wolfe mixes current English, neologisms and amazing archaisms in a thoroughly believable way. A sample of the archaisms and neologisms used: pelerine, preceptress, peltast, destrier, ossifrage, algedonic, noyade, claviger, declivity, barbute, eidelon. talking of weird words: >A twenty sided regular polygon is called an icosagon. eh? I always heard it as a duodecagon (not to be confused with the dodecagon, which has 12 sides). >"If you find yourself laughing at this story, think about this: where will >YOU spend eternity? In heaven? Or in the LAKE OF FIRE?!" -J. Chick won't see 'em again, till the fourth of July... Need some info: overheard snippets on the radio of a stand-up comic called Steven Wright. Very deadpan (imagine a stand-up Leonard Cohen), very funny. Anyone able to tell me anything about him? >So what do we call the first decade? After the Nineties comes ????? hmm. Well, I've heard several people wishing each other "Happy naughties", but perhaps they were talking about something else... James PS - a Y2K bug - my video is recording programmes from 1900! James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 03:20:12 GMT From: "Melissa Higuchi" Subject: robynbase Is robynbase up somewhere other than the glass hotel? I don't remember where. Any help would be appreciated. by the way the other robyn list is terrible Melissa ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 22:31:09 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: robynbase On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, Melissa Higuchi wrote: > Is robynbase up somewhere other than the glass hotel? I don't remember > where. Any help would be appreciated. http://alternatech.net/jh3/robyn/base/ My thanks to JH3 for providing this "Test site" and mirror (among countless other things.) This version has updated data too, courtesy of Eddie and a bunch of other people (and me). > by the way the other robyn list is terrible What other robyn list? =b ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 20:41:05 -0700 From: Ethyl Ketone Subject: Re: robynbase At 03:20 AM +0000 1/6/00, Melissa Higuchi wrote: >by the way the other robyn list is terrible I knew I'd been out of touch over the hollydaze but "other Robyn list?" You mean the people we saw at the new york show really do talk with each other? Do they call themselves fegs or anything???? - - c "Questions are a burden for others. Answers are a prison for oneself." **************************************************************************** M.E.Ketone/C.Galbraith meketone@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:46:32 -0600 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: robynbase Once again that URL is... http://alternatech.net/jh3/robyn/base/ Bayard writes: >My thanks to JH3 for providing this "Test site" and mirror (among >countless other things.) It's true: In addition to a mirror, I've also provided visitors to the site with a hairbrush and a can of shaving cream! And soon we'll be adding a new "secured site" in which registered users will get a free box of Weetabix. >> by the way the other robyn list is terrible >What other robyn list? I think Melissa may be referring to Robyn's "Top 100 Albums of the Millenium" list. John H. Hedges PS. Speaking of "millenium," I just saw Robbie Williams on The Daily Show, and he's actually a really funny guy! Not quite as funny as Robyn, perhaps, but that would be asking a bit much of anyone. PPS. Pardon me for asking, but what's so especially bad about the toy industry? Sure, they create an artificial demand for largely worthless and sometimes dangerous products by targeting a highly susceptible demographic with craven and deceptive marketing gimmicks, but how does that make them ostensibly worse than any other retail/consumer product industry? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:32:40 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: resurrecting an old thread (wading through 2 weeks of digests) On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, James Dignan wrote: > talking of weird words: > >A twenty sided regular polygon is called an icosagon. > eh? I always heard it as a duodecagon (not to be confused with the > dodecagon, which has 12 sides). While duodecagon is technically accurate (it does say that its edges number two tens), icosagon is more concise (saying twenty edges). The compound prefix is more widely understood, but has the obvious disadvantage of sounding very much like dodeca, which is eight less. At least he didn't ask about the icosidodecadodecahedron, which is The Uniform Polyhedron U44 whose Dual Polyhedron is the Medial Icosacronic Hexecontahedron. But really these words are no more obscure than their most obscure compound and that makes them not so interesting. > >"If you find yourself laughing at this story, think about this: where will > >YOU spend eternity? In heaven? Or in the LAKE OF FIRE?!" -J. Chick > won't see 'em again, till the fourth of July... You know, my ex-roommate actually thought that was a Nirvana song. I could have cried. > Need some info: overheard snippets on the radio of a stand-up comic called > Steven Wright. Very deadpan (imagine a stand-up Leonard Cohen), very funny. > Anyone able to tell me anything about him? Oh, man. James! Steven Wright is one of the all-time greats. He enjoyed his stand-up heyday back in the late eighties but has since done some really good writing and filmmaking. If you've really never heard much, get his album "I Have A Pony". It's a classic. I'm sure you'll recognize some of his one-liners that have since been incorporated into popular culture (e.g. "It's a small world, but I wouldn't want to paint it>" and "Women: Can't live with 'em, can't shoot 'em."). > >So what do we call the first decade? After the Nineties comes ????? > hmm. Well, I've heard several people wishing each other "Happy naughties", > but perhaps they were talking about something else... Viv and I were both extremely embarrassed for our countrymen when a television station reported that something like 21% of all Americans think the coming decade should be called "the double-ohs" and 23% think "the double zeros" is more appropriate. We may as well have called the nineties the double nines. Ugh. J. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:38:50 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Iiiii'm Baaaaaccck... On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, James Dignan wrote: > If any of you saw any TV coverage of New Zealand being the first > place to see the new year and 'enter the 21st century' (feh. Call me > old fashioned, but I still say it's a year early), then you may have > seen an old Victorian town hall clock strike 12. Maybe. Although > shown on TV as being Auckland, it was here in Dunedin, and I was one > of 30,000 people partying below it. Lotsafun. I'm with you on the coming century, James. But yes, I saw that clock tower! We saw it on television and I remember thinking "Huh... I wonder if they'll show Dunedin. Isn't that really further east anyway?" Neat! > Despite the TV coverage being long (and who wants to spend all of new > year's day watching TV anyway - the only reason I did was that it was too > wet to go to the beach), I feel it gave a real sense of the turn of the > planet and the, well, global nature of humankind - "It's quarter past five > - that was the midnight celebrations live from New York, now let's go to > the Dead Sea where the sun is just rising". Viv and I stayed in watching television much of that day (and that's extremely rare considering how often we even turn the TV on in this house) and were just floored by the coverage. That night (morning?) as we were getting ready for bed, Viv noted that it was, in her memory, the first truly global event. I had to agree and I'm still thinking about that. You really did get a sense of the planet revolving... of time passing and of humanity sharing an experience. And it's not like watching Neil Armstrong in 1969 because it isn't the world living vicariously through one man, it was each person in the world sharing in how the others celebrate a thing that we seemed to all be celebrating. I'm hoping this happens every new year. I think it would do us very much good to see the rest of the planet once a year. Just to put things in perspective. > Anyhoo, I hope you all had great ones. It's good to be back. It's good to HAVE you back. I have a terrible feeling that this year is going to be great. Gulp. J. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 08:26:31 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: U.S. publication of Cale bio steve wrote: > > Some fegs might be interested in "What's Welsh For Zen" by Cale and > Bockris. The official pub date is February Eep! It was published here at least a year ago. Must be a rare anomaly. Stewart PS: Welcome back, friends, fiends and fronds... ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V9 #4 *****************************