From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #463 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, December 14 1999 Volume 08 : Number 463 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: eb all over the all over ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Bowdlerizing [Katherine Rossner ] Pigs in Jail [GSS ] open for business ["Reaganite Dolt" ] Reap 22 [The Great Quail ] More evidence that Robyn reads this list ["JH3" ] Re: More evidence that Robyn reads this list [Eb ] RIP [Michael Wolfe ] Re: More evidence that Robyn reads this list ["JH3" ] FTP offline [Ben ] Re: More evidence that Robyn reads this list [Eb ] Re: More evidence that Robyn reads this list [Aaron Lowe ] Re: More evidence that Robyn reads this list [Eb ] Re: More evidence that Robyn reads this list ["JH3" ] Re: Pigs in Jail [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: JCS [ElizaS33@aol.com] something to like about one of those n'sync twerps? [Jeff Dwarf ] randi news? [Miles Goosens ] JCS, Ron Jeremy/NSYNC [Debora K ] RIP [DDerosa5@aol.com] in no way related to my last message [DDerosa5@aol.com] Top 100 list of the millennium [DDerosa5@aol.com] Re: Unca Lou, Unca Sterling, Unca John and Auntie Moe [Michael R Godwin <] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 08:45:03 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: eb all over the all over > > etews@hotmail.com writes: > > > > << > Welcome to floor 7-1/2!> > > > > the most disappointing movie, in my opinion, since > > The Truman Show. I liked both. I have no desire to see Fight Club; global capitalism doing a movie about global capitalism? oh, please. Most of you folks are going to have to wait until February until "Orphans" comes out. We'll never get to see the full version, 'cos some div at FilmFour *burnt* the extra footage. The director [probably better known to you as Swan from Trainspotting] is furious. - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:19:36 GMT From: "matt sewell" Subject: Woohoo! Good news for UKfegs... Hi all, I was browsing around and found this interesting info: A Mr Robyn Hitchcock is booked to play the Garage in London on the 1st of Feb... Could this be part of a tour (I heard a rumour he's also playing Bristol)? Anyway, FYI: http://events.ticketmaster.co.uk/cgi/events/tmuk_byid.idc?event_id=18002F819FE99D11 Cheers Matt ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:30:23 -0500 From: Katherine Rossner Subject: Bowdlerizing This, from another mailing list (context: a discussion of people wanting to change Stan Rogers' language in songs, at least around children): > >One of the earliest and most egregious examples of bowdlerization--it may even >have been done by the real Bowdler, for all I can remember--was committed on a >speech of Macbeth's. He said, "The devil damn thee black, thou cream-faced >loon! Where gottest thou that goose look?" It was sanitized by some officious >fool to read, "Now, friend, what means thy change of countenance?" > >Changing "God damn" to "gosh darn" pales by comparison! - -- Ye knowe ek, that in forme of speche is chaunge Withinne a thousand yere, and wordes tho That hadden pris, now wonder nyce and straunge Us thinketh hem, and yit they spake hem so. - Chaucer, "Troilus and Criseyde" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:52:07 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Pigs in Jail Volpe gets 30. Probably 30 years less than he deserves, but at least he gets something. http://www.cnn.com/1999/US/12/13/volpe.sentencing/index.html fuck the pigs with the big long sticks if they can have theirs I can have mine not with a bang but with a whimper and I hope volpe whimpers loudly ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 11:45:31 PST From: "Reaganite Dolt" Subject: open for business yo, i *think* i'm ready to start tradin' again! as always, i'm interested in anything i don't have, and am also interested in upgrading in sound quality for stuff i do have. . thank you for your kind attention. KEN "New York is *thataway*, man!" THE KENSTER ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:53:21 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Reap 22 Joseph Heller just died. May his flights in heaven be only reduced. - --Quail, who will light a candle to the Discordian patron, Saint Yossarian. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Great Quail, Keeper of the Libyrinth: http://www.libyrinth.com Do you want to see what human eyes have never seen? Look at the moon. Do you want to hear what ears have never heard? Listen to the bird's cry. Do you want to touch what hands have never touched? Touch the earth. Verily I say that God is about to create the world. --J.L. Borges ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:55:52 -0600 From: "JH3" Subject: More evidence that Robyn reads this list In case you didn't check it out yourself, this is one of Robyn's comments from Alan Jacobson's interview (Eddie posted the URL earlier today - http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/balcony/3252/robyn/denver.htm ): "I don’t think anybody…really like[s] humourless people. But again, it helps if you’ve got the same sense of humour. It’s a matter of taste, y’know? Like, some people…like butter. Some people will drink milk, even into adulthood. Some people like listening to Tom Waits, y’know? It always answ— it answers a biological need in people. And…so in a way, you’ve gotta find some…some…you’ve gotta find people who will respond to your stuff. You have to send out…send out some sort of…pollen." I'd say this should dispel any doubts that Robyn is unaware of what's going on here in fegland. John "Bee-plus? Hah!" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:07:01 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: More evidence that Robyn reads this list Robyn/JH3: >Some people like listening to Tom Waits, y'know? > >I'd say this should dispel any doubts that Robyn is unaware of what's >going on here in fegland. I don't find this conclusive at all. Robyn probably has just read/heard a lot of rave reviews about Waits' album and concerts this year, and it has become an irritant for him because he doesn't see the attraction. And what's wrong with drinking milk as an adult, anyway? Eb, and his calcium-rich 32 teeth 9) Neil Young & Crazy Horse/Ragged Glory ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 19:38:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Wolfe Subject: RIP Joseph Heller, 1923-1999 - -Michael Wolfe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:42:22 -0600 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: More evidence that Robyn reads this list >>Some people like listening to Tom Waits, y'know? >>I'd say this should dispel any doubts that Robyn is unaware of what's >>going on here in fegland. >I don't find this conclusive at all. Robyn probably has just read/heard a >lot of rave reviews about Waits' album and concerts this year, and it has >become an irritant for him because he doesn't see the attraction. Well okay, maybe it isn't *conclusive,* but why Waits and not, say, Jewel or Ricky Martin? Also, I doubt that Robyn actually dislikes Tom Waits' records or Waits as a performer - just the opposite, I'd expect. But that might not be so relevant, I suppose. >And what's wrong with drinking milk as an adult, anyway? Just you wait and see when you turn 36, lad! I wouldn't want to spoil the surprise for you. What's interesting is this: The subject of lactose-intolerance was brought up on this list on July 26, 1999 ("You've Got a Cheese Mouth On You, Flabby."). The date of the above-quoted interview was August 2, 1999. John "here's hoping you're one of the lucky 70%" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:47:24 -0500 From: Ben Subject: FTP offline hi I just want to let those who use it know that my FTP will be offline from the 15th of this mont and back on the 15th of January, unless the world ends. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:07:38 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: More evidence that Robyn reads this list >>I don't find this conclusive at all. Robyn probably has just read/heard a >>lot of rave reviews about Waits' album and concerts this year, and it has >>become an irritant for him because he doesn't see the attraction. > >Well okay, maybe it isn't *conclusive,* but why Waits and not, say, >Jewel or Ricky Martin? Because Robyn *hasn't* been pummeled with rave reviews of Ricky and Jewel? (Who has?) >Also, I doubt that Robyn actually dislikes Tom >Waits' records or Waits as a performer - just the opposite, I'd expect. I wouldn't expect Robyn to have much more than "professional respect" for Waits, myself. And if Robyn *was* a fan, he wouldn't be making flip "There's no accounting for tastes"-type comments about Waits fans. Eb np: "Return of the Grievous Angel: A Tribute to Gram Parsons" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:41:41 -0600 From: Aaron Lowe Subject: Re: More evidence that Robyn reads this list At 04:07 PM 12/13/99 , Eb, oracle extraordinare, wrote: >I wouldn't expect Robyn to have much more than "professional respect" for >Waits, myself. And if Robyn *was* a fan, he wouldn't be making flip >"There's no accounting for tastes"-type comments about Waits fans. I don't know. Robyn made a similar kind of comment at the in-store peformance in Austin just before the MABDR show, with a slightly different spin, such that Robyn was equating himself with Waits, in a way. It was during one of his between-songs banter sessions, and it was in reference to his assertion that he knew his (Robyn's) music was not for everyone. He used Tom Waits as an example of this, saying that "some people have a psychological *need* to hear the music of, say, Tom Waits, whereas, for other people, listening to Tom Waits might be quite detrimental." I got the distinct impression that Robyn did approve of Waits' music, which surprised and interested me at the time. Anyone else who was there that day have a different take on it? Gene? Anyone? Aaron * Aaron Lowe [ aaron@aaronlowe.com ] http://aaronlowe.com "Sucking on a tap that never dries, Could you take it right between your eyes? Bending blood, bending blood, The father stood, the fathers hood. Like shadows of an acid bird, That etched her way across the field, So long ago." ~Robyn Hitchcock _Acid Bird_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:51:41 -0600 From: Paul Christian Glenn Subject: JCS Hey all, I'm listening to the "original concept recording" of "Jesus Christ Superstar" right now, and am having mixed thoughts on it. Just curious what everyone's thoughts are about which version is best. The first one I heard was the movie soundtrack, and I think it remains my favorite. Carl Anderson's voice is just amazing, and he puts an emotion into Judas' plight that is (IMO) unrivaled. I own the 20th Anniversary London cast recording, and while it has some bright spots, it's overall my least favorite (i.e., I wish I'd bought the movie soundtrack instead). I saw the Broadway revival two or three years ago, and that was absolutely breathtaking (3rd row, center - whoo!). I really wish that there was a recording of *that* show (again, Carl Anderson). Fantastic. Any other JCS fans out there? I'm curious about the original Broadway recording, because I've heard that it just sucks, but I can't find it anywhere. I don't think it's available anymore. Anybody have it/heard it? Paul Christian Glenn trance@radiks.net http://eonchamber.virtualave.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:02:53 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: More evidence that Robyn reads this list >He used Tom Waits as an example of this, saying that "some >people have a psychological *need* to hear the music of, say, Tom Waits, >whereas, for other people, listening to Tom Waits might be quite detrimental." I dunno...still sounds to me like he's talking out of the corner of his mouth, if you know what I mean. If he was a fan, wouldn't he have said "some of *US* have a psychological need..."? Eb "Did you know there's a (empty) newsgroup devoted to Ted Neeley?" the Ebster ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:36:14 -0600 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: More evidence that Robyn reads this list >>Well okay, maybe it isn't *conclusive,* but why Waits and not, say, >>Jewel or Ricky Martin? >Because Robyn *hasn't* been pummeled with rave reviews of Ricky >and Jewel? It seems just as likely to me that he'd been listening to "Mule Variations" on the MABD tour bus, and couldn't get "What's He Building In There" out of his head. (Or that he'd been reading this list, maybe.) >(Who has?) Anyone who reads People Magazine? Aaron L: >It was during one of his between-songs banter sessions, and it was in >reference to his assertion that he knew his (Robyn's) music was not for >everyone. He used Tom Waits as an example of this, saying that "some >people have a psychological *need* to hear the music of, say, Tom >Waits, whereas, for other people, listening to Tom Waits might be >quite detrimental." Right - I didn't get the impression that he was singling out Waits as an example of someone with inexplicable appeal; rather that it was just part of his standard answer to the standard question of how he feels about his own limited "cult" appeal, in which he lists a few things that some people like and other people don't. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I've read a lot of Robyn interviews and it's unusual for him to openly criticize other performers... most of the time he's actually *self*-deprecating. But maybe I just haven't read the right interviews. >If he was a fan, wouldn't he have said "some of *US* have a >psychological need..."? Not necessarily, because he started by saying "some people like butter, some people drink milk as adults." So he would have had to change his sentence-construction pattern. (And remember, we know he still likes cheese, which means he's at least *capable* of enjoying both butter and milk.) I have to go home now... John H. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:25:29 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Pigs in Jail GSS wrote: > Volpe gets 30. Probably 30 years less than he deserves, but > at least he gets something. well, he'll have no shortage of involuntary dates. if he lives past 4, maybe 5, years, i'd be surprised. some lifer with nothing to lose will decide it's worth giving up pudding for a couple months to be able to brag for the rest of his life that he did in Volpe. especially since some sympathetic guard will then bring him a hooker from time to time. female one too. and no, i'm not forgetting the blue line with that part. but i doubt it would be hard to find a shitload of prison guards who would be disinclined to extend any professional courtesy to someone who brings such disgrace to them. ===== "America's greatest natural resource, still, to this day, is the moron" --Martin Mull __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 20:24:24 EST From: ElizaS33@aol.com Subject: Re: JCS I *knew* I liked this list! I'm actually such a huge fan of Carl Anderson's portrayal of Judas that I will go see the show any time it comes through town, even though it means sitting through Ted Neeley's increasingly odd attempts at showboating (there are very few performers I've spent as much time thinking, "What does he think he's DOING?" about). If there was a new recording of that cast, it'd be astounding; Anderson gets better every time I see him. (I think I was spoiled by Yvonne Elliman's Mary Magdalene, as everyone else I've seen seems incredibly prissy.) But since there isn't (and if I was in charge, there probably wouldn't ever be until ol' Jesus cuts out the "If I suddenly do this at half tempo, I bet the orchestra can follow me! At least kind of! Choreography? Screw it!" act), I'd say the one you've got is the big winner. On an at least edging-toward-on-topic note, Tim Keegan played a fairly wonderful opening set at Largo on Friday night (a night which, minute for minute, may well have been the best night of live music I've EVER seen). Elizabeth The Gallery of Indispensable Pop Music http://homepages.go.com/~popgallery ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:04:23 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: something to like about one of those n'sync twerps? So, what do adult film star Ron Hyatt and Orlando boy band 'NSYNC have in common? Well, as some confused fans in Edmonton, Alberta found out last week, the two apparently have a penchant for using the alias of "Ron Jeremy." Hyatt, who is known around the world as porn star Ron Jeremy (Jeremy is Hyatt's middle name), was in Edmonton last week to perform at a comedy show at the Thunder Dome. According to his publicists, Jeremy received scores of calls from girls inquiring about the whereabouts of 'NSYNC, who were scheduled to play a show on Friday night at the city's Skyreach Centre. After a short investigation, it was discovered that one of the members of 'NSYNC uses the name "Ron Jeremy" as an alias when checking into hotels on the road. The band's road crew was in Edmonton for a few days prior to the December 10 concert, and when fans saw the 'NSYNC tour buses pulled up outside the same Westin hotel where Jeremy also happened to be staying, the calls began pouring in. It wasn't immediately known which of the clean-cut lads in 'NSYNC had been copping the porn star's name as a pseudonym, and representatives for the band had yet to comment on the matter. - -- David Basham For more on 'NSYNC, check out the MTV News Gallery. ===== "America's greatest natural resource, still, to this day, is the moron" --Martin Mull __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:40:30 -0800 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: JCS Paul Christian Glenn wrote: > > Hey all, > > I'm listening to the "original concept recording" of > "Jesus Christ Superstar" right now, and am having > mixed thoughts on it. Just curious what everyone's > thoughts are about which version is best. I think my version is the original London cast. Is that the same as "original concept recording"? > The first one I heard was the movie soundtrack, and > I think it remains my favorite. Carl Anderson's voice > is just amazing, and he puts an emotion into Judas' plight > that is (IMO) unrivaled. See, I prefer Murray Head's voice. But I'm not really that big of a JCS fan. Andrew Lloyd Webber's done much better. And so has Murray Head, who sounds amazing in "Chess." Joel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 22:04:09 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: randi news? Anyone? We were thinking even more good thoughts than usual during the specified time period. When I got back home today and tried to leave a voice message, the Randi/Tim mailbox was full, presumably of other good wishes from Fegland. positive vibrations, Miles ====================================================== Miles Goosens UNlimited edition R. Stevie Moore CDs now available! http://www.rsteviemoore.com My personal website http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles "If a million people say a stupid thing, it is still a stupid thing." -- Anatole France ====================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 22:45:31 -0800 From: Debora K Subject: JCS, Ron Jeremy/NSYNC Jesus Christ Superstar was Ron Jeremy's first film credit, for those of you keeping track at home. Unfortunately, Nsync does not fit into this odd coincidence. Apologies to those I have offended, Vince ___________________________________________________________________ Why pay more to get Web access? Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 02:15:34 EST From: DDerosa5@aol.com Subject: RIP Joseph Heller, a great American novelist. too bad his last book sucked... dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 02:17:11 EST From: DDerosa5@aol.com Subject: in no way related to my last message any news of Randi? I was thinking of you today, darlin, right around noon, eastern time. (I figured it was safe to start late, as this guy always seems to keep you waiting...) dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 02:31:02 EST From: DDerosa5@aol.com Subject: Top 100 list of the millennium check out this column at the Mojo site, Will Durst lists the top 100 years of the past millennium. go to URL: http://www.motherjones.com/durst/durst8.html#years what will be most amazing to fegs is the the year 1974, which we all know as the year everything stopped, is ranked 33rd! dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:04:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Unca Lou, Unca Sterling, Unca John and Auntie Moe > MG: > >What a contrast from Lou Reed and the Tots doing that horrid > >slowed-down version of WFTM. On Fri, 10 Dec 1999, Eb wrote: > When was his band called "the Tots"? Anyone with name recognition, in that > configuration? 1971-72, before he got involved with that overblown twin lead guitar outfit. They were a gang of NYC punks who really didn't sound that much better than a local band - I don't have a record of the line-up. When I saw Richard Hell and the Voidoids about 7 years later, they made very much the same sound - perhaps they were the same people! The gig I went to was at a cinema in Kings Cross, and it was a distinctly disappointing first sighting of Lou for a fully-paid-up VU fan. They were promoting his first solo album (the one which includes 'Walk it and talk it' and 'Wild child') and the big number that they featured was 'Berlin', which, oddly, appears on that album as well as on the later 'Berlin' LP. I have a tape of this band doing a New York radio show in (I think) 1972. Lou obviously should have toured with the British session men who played on the album (Caleb Quaye, Herbie Flowers etc) but presumably they were too expensive. - - Great-unca' Mike Godwin ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #463 *******************************