From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #459 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, December 9 1999 Volume 08 : Number 459 Today's Subjects: ----------------- mea culpa [Eb ] Re: my own personal top 10 [Briannupp@aol.com] Re: The Hairy Arm of Paul McCartney ["James Hadfield" ] rip john lennon [hal brandt ] Re: I don't need no television.... [Ethyl Ketone ] Re: Yay! [Charles Gillett ] Re: RIP john lennon [Katherine Rossner ] Re: Jane Siberry [Katherine Rossner ] eb all over the all over ["Reaganite Dolt" ] feh [Natalie Jacobs ] R.Thompson Live Music Archive (no RT) [Ben ] Re: The Hairy Arm of Paul McCartney [Jeff Dwarf ] Sibbery story at SF Gate [steve ] Re: Unca Lou [rich plumb ] Superkeen [rich plumb ] RE: Superkeen ["Thomas, Ferris" ] Re: Unca Lou ["matt sewell" ] Re: Superkeen, etc. ["JH3" ] Re: Unca Lou [Tom Clark ] Re: unca lou [normal@grove.ufl.edu] Re: unca lou [Miles Goosens ] Re: Unca Lou [Eb ] Re: Unca Lou [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: eb all over the all over [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Don Felder RULES! [Tom Clark ] another list to ponder [Ben ] The Lou Reed Show [Joel Mullins ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 14:15:29 -0800 From: Eb Subject: mea culpa It turns out the David Letterman call to Stern was actually an impersonator. Dopey me. Never mind. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:31:53 EST From: Briannupp@aol.com Subject: Re: my own personal top 10 In a message dated Wed, 8 Dec 1999 3:53:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, Eb writes: > >10. robyn's forwarded post to the list in '93 > > I wouldn't mind seeing this, if someone has it saved.... > > honorable-mention Eb That goes double for me! Brian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 22:52:23 GMT From: "James Hadfield" Subject: Re: The Hairy Arm of Paul McCartney John Lennon: "Paul is dead. Miss him, miss him, miss him..." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:33:08 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: The Hairy Arm for Paul McCartney >John Lennon: "Paul is dead. Miss him, miss him, miss him..." I hate quavering-lipped testimonies, candlelight vigils and the rest of that ceremonial swill, but today is December 8th and hopefully we all remember the significance of that date. Just pausin' for a second, Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 17:31:10 -0600 From: hal brandt Subject: rip john lennon Q: What do you think of the exploitation of Lennon's death? PAUL McCARTNEY: I think it's inevitable. You're talking about the West and capitalism. Exploitation's part of the game, really. I don't like it, you don't like it. I prefer to remember him how I knew him. I was in Nashville and saw a John Lennon whiskey decanter. Argh! He didn't even drink it. So, yeah, it's a bit yucky. But you can't do anything about it. This is America, folks. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 19:31:06 -0500 From: Ethyl Ketone Subject: Re: I don't need no television.... At 6:36 PM -0500 12/7/99, MARKEEFE@aol.com wrote: > I think that the local news is one of the most horrifying things >around. I'm almost to the point where I won't be in the same room with it. Well, I've not watched broadcast television since 1974 and I'm not afraid to walk the streets or drive cross country alone. Yes, I take care to keep track of my souroundings but my mother won't leave her house at night and she watches the news nightly. She has let her fear control her life. And I blame the media for that. Yeah, it limits the water-cooler discussions to not ever see the Simpsons or SNL, but do I care about the Simpsons or SNL? Of course not. Do I paint and write and keep journals and read and explore the world? Yes. And commercial radio has not been part of my life - ever (hooray for angry college radio!). If I could live long enough to see billboards erradicated, I'd die happy. Sometimes I feel out of touch with this culture and this time, but I rather appreciate that out-of-touchness. Until I got involved in entertainment software, I never went to blockbuster-action type movies either. And while I do not suggest anyone else live my way, I feel infinately richer and more fulfilled spending my time pursuing those things that interst me the most, sans TeeVee. True, it's a lonlier path. Of course I still think The Prisoner was the best thing ever broadcast and all else was downhill from there so you can disregard this if you like... Be Seeing You (after the crit next week), - - carrie "Questions are a burden for others. Answers are a prison for oneself." **************************************************************************** C. J. Galbraith Ketone Press meketone@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 19:24:16 -0600 (CST) From: Charles Gillett Subject: Re: Yay! On Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:48:09 -0500 (EST), Natalie Jacobs wrote: > Jim O'Rourke is opening. I hate to sound like an unhip ignoramus, but > I'm not clear on who O'Rourke is. I know he's part of that "post-rock" > Chicago scene, but is he from a band, or a solo guy? He's all that and more. In Minneapolis it was just O'Rourke and a drummer, playing folky songs in a Smog-like mode. He used a Powerbook for accompaniment on one song. I haven't heard his two recent pop/rock albums, _Eureka_ and the new _Halfway to a Threeway_, but I gather they are very poppy and slick, whereas the performance I saw was low-key and stripped-down. He had a very interesting stage presence, in that he seemed to not notice he was on stage. Near the end of his set, he looked up and said, "That's it! I think we have to go now!" The crowd protested and he played another song (the title track from the new album). He has his mitts in almost everything nowadays--orchestral works, solo Powerbook performances, free improvisation, producing everybody under the sun (Stereolab, Smog, John Fahey, Mats Gustafsson, Loren MazzaCane Connors, etc.), reissuing favorite old albums on his own Drag City imprints (Dexter's Cigar and Moikai), and raving about the Spice Girls. His fame in the post-rock realm comes largely from being half of Gastr del Sol until recently. I did a search on his name at forcedexposure.com and got 90 hits. He's a busy boy. A band called Papa M also played at the Minneapolis show. I don't know much about them beyond the fact that they are, or are related to, the band Aerial M. They were fine but not exciting--the high point seemed to be their instrumental cover of "Turn Turn Turn" by the Byrds. Looks like they left the tour in Chicago. - -- Charles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 20:38:19 -0500 From: Katherine Rossner Subject: Re: RIP john lennon My commemoration (is that spelt right? it looks wrong either way): words from Ellis Paul. Do not mention his name. The man kills John Lennon, now he's on TV again. He's blaming Holden Caulfield, in the face of the lens. And each time he does it, he kills him again. Who killed John Lennon? A loser with a pistol, a martyr's best friend. And each time he's televised, he kills him again. It's the prize that he wanted, when he loaded the gun. And each time he's mentioned, murder is done. So, who killed John Lennon? A no-one. He's on TV again. He's playing the hero. The networks won't let the story end. He brings in the ratings for them. He's playing the hero. But he's a killer. He's been convicted. He's been convicted... His lawyer must think it's a game. Though he knows Lennon's songs, both in word and by name. He calls the networks, retrieves all the funds. Then he scrapes his percentage when the programs are run. Who killed John Lennon? A lawyer, an agent, big money's best friend. And each time he's televised, they kill him again. It's the prize that they wanted, when he emptied the gun. And each time he's mentioned, murder is done. So who killed John Lennon? A no-one. A no-one. "Without music, life is meaningless." - Nietzsche ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 15:25:57 -0500 From: Katherine Rossner Subject: Re: Jane Siberry Since the Great American Music Hall's monthly schedule arrived in the "in" box at the same time as Eb's (dis)missive, I thought I'd pass a paragraph along, at least for Bay Area fegs. (Of which I'm no longer one. And I've replied to the GAMH's schedule each month since I left, with a note asking to be removed from the mailing list--no, it's not the sort of listserv where "unsubscribe" goes to everybody; I checked to make sure that it only goes to the person who sends out the schedule. And I've gone to their web page and requested that they no longer send it. And I know it's only email, but if anybody has suggestions...) My experience of Jane Siberry's music has been limited to a tape that turned up in the clearance bin after a friend recommended her. But the tape was BOUND BY THE BEAUTY; recent comments encourage me to try again. Katherine 12/13 An Evening With JANE SIBERRY: Ethereal Canadian songstress, >JANE SIBERRY, returns to the Music Hall for an evening rich in lyric >and song. Siberry has traveled far and wide since her beginnings >in the early 1980s as a guitar-and piano-based folk artist in the >coffee houses and clubs of Toronto. Along the way she released 12 >albums, contributed to multiple soundtracks including "The Crow" >(with her song "It Can't Rain All the Time ") and "Until The End of >the World" ("Calling All Angels", a duet with k.d. lang). In 1996 >Siberry etablished her own Toronto based record label, SHEEBA, which >released Siberry's latest 3 CD set entitled "The New York Trilogy." >Jane's many admirers have been flocking to get tickets, so please get >yours before they're gone. MONDAY, DECEMBER 13, 8 PM, $22. - -- Ye knowe ek, that in forme of speche is chaunge Withinne a thousand yere, and wordes tho That hadden pris, now wonder nyce and straunge Us thinketh hem, and yit they spake hem so. - Chaucer, "Troilus and Criseyde" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 17:57:33 PST From: "Reaganite Dolt" Subject: eb all over the all over wow! i was just listening to the song not one half of one hour ago, and that's precisely what i'd heard. didn't figure it was worth posting over. oh, and change the first word of the first line from "Oh," to "All". the most disappointing movie, in my opinion, since The Truman Show. not saying it's nearly so godawful as The Truman Show, but still a major letdown. still haven't seen The Straight Story, but the ava's film reviewer all but names it the best movie of the decade. not to my knowledge, no. though i ought to go back and have a fresh listen. <7. "straight outta enola" (tews)> archived at , for what it's worth. heh, can't for the life of me remember where i'd found it, but i surfed upon lsdiamond's brother's webpage the other day. there was something in there about detesting profanity.... my fave fegmaniax post must and shall be bayard's robyngame post. but my three favorite stories remain: marshall's sterling morrison story, eb's disneyland pencil-sharpeners story, and jason's grandpa saving dan rather's life story. KEN "Push it *real* good" THE KENSTER ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:29:51 -0500 (EST) From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: feh > This is despite spending 108,000 Pounds Sterling to make the album. This is one of the reasons I have no sympathy for XTC's financial woes. > I did buy Homespun, cause I'm a greedy bastard and I want a new XTC > album every fuckin year! Except that "Homespun" isn't new... n. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 23:30:42 -0500 From: Ben Subject: R.Thompson Live Music Archive (no RT) I know a lot of RT fans are on the list, so I want to mention I am starting the only site devoted to making unofficial, live RT music available free on the web. Maybe you are familiar with sites like "Cyberspace Hitchcock" which do the same thing. I recently decided to make my own site for miscellaneous artists and within a couple weeks have had a lot of people show interest. The only "catch" is that to access the files you have to be a member of freediskspace.com, which is where I get free space to make the files available. So if you are interested check it out at: http://www.unca.edu/~bpnicast/rtarchive.html Maybe I will make an RH one too someday. Oh and please don't post this to the RT list or else unmarked black helicopters will start circling my residence... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:38:23 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: The Hairy Arm of Paul McCartney The Great Quail wrote: > >DRUID ROCK PERSON > > I predict Woj's next screen name! or something... ===== "America's greatest natural resource, still, to this day, is the moron" --Martin Mull __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:56:22 -0600 From: steve Subject: Sibbery story at SF Gate For those of you who might be wondering about Jane: http://www.sfgate.com/eguide/music/derk/ - - Steve _______________ We're all Jesus, Buddha, and the Wizard of Oz! - Andy Partridge ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 07:44:29 -0800 (PST) From: rich plumb Subject: Re: Unca Lou Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 13:04:36 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: unca lou eb said: >> 10) The Velvet Underground/Live MCMXCIII > > Sure, it's not as good as 1969. But that wasn't released in '90s, was it > now? And actually, I'm not that crazy about Max's Kansas City. It's badly > recorded, not real inspired and Mo (not to mention Cale) isn't even on it. > I'd rank it below MCMXCIII, myself. > > I know people who think MCMXCIII really taints VU's glories. On the other > hand, the new Trouser Press Guide positively raves about it. As for me, I > think the album puts enough creative spin on the old songs to make it a > great album. Others may disagree, but I don't think the band sounds like > they're going through the motions at all. Two prime examples: the heady > freakout on the extended version of "Mr. Rain" and Cale's careful > performance of "The Gift." And we all know the songwriting is superb -- no > question about that. Well, unless you ask Terrence. > By this criterion then I guess your number 9 pick is going to be: The Eagles/Hell Freezes Over rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 07:47:06 -0800 (PST) From: rich plumb Subject: Superkeen I've been really loving this song lately. At least the version on the great Robyn Hitchcock Christmas Party tape. Was this song performed by Departure Lounge during the recent tour? How is the version on the Homer Lounge single? Worth buying? Does anyone have any versions on tape of Tim Keegan in one the various configurations performing this? thanks, rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:08:23 -0500 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: RE: Superkeen Rich shook the magic fegball, thought of "superkeen" and queried: > Was this song performed by Departure Lounge during the recent tour? I don't think they've performed it (opinions? shoot me down in flames, please!). > How is the version on the Homer Lounge single? I like it quite a bit. The single's got four tracks, if I remember right. When I spoke to Tim at the Iron Horse he didn't seem too fond of his earlier stuff, saying it was "unpolished noise" or something to that effect. I got the impression he's a lot happier with his recent stuff. I don't know how easy the earlier material is to find, though. > Does anyone have any versions on tape of Tim Keegan in one the > various configurations performing this? I've got him playing it solo, I think. I'll have to check. - -ferris. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 17:09:39 GMT From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: Unca Lou >eb said: > >> 10) The Velvet Underground/Live MCMXCIII > > > > Sure, it's not as good as 1969. But that wasn't released in '90s, was it > > now? And actually, I'm not that crazy about Max's Kansas City. It's >badly > > recorded, not real inspired and Mo (not to mention Cale) isn't even on >it. > > I'd rank it below MCMXCIII, myself. > > > > I know people who think MCMXCIII really taints VU's glories. On the >other > > hand, the new Trouser Press Guide positively raves about it. As for me, >I > > think the album puts enough creative spin on the old songs to make it a > > great album. Others may disagree, but I don't think the band sounds like > > they're going through the motions at all. Two prime examples: the heady > > freakout on the extended version of "Mr. Rain" and Cale's careful > > performance of "The Gift." And we all know the songwriting is superb -- >no > > question about that. Well, unless you ask Terrence. > > >By this criterion then I guess your number 9 pick is going to be: > >The Eagles/Hell Freezes Over > I saw the velvets at the Glastonbury festival in 93, and I'm afraid, though I am a big fan, the performance was pretty difficult to watch. Though it was great to see all my favourite songs being played by the original cast as it were, it was pretty much ruined by Lou Reed's attitude. He tried to turn each song into The Lou Reed Show, and showed very thinly veiled contempt for the rest of the band, as if he was magnanimously allowing them to play. I can still here the absolutely god-awful version of heroin now...ugh. Shame, as after the excellent Songs For Drella, I was really looking forward to it... Matt ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:52:09 -0600 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: Superkeen, etc. Rich P. writes: >How is the version on the Homer Lounge single? Worth buying? It's a rave-up, compared to the Xmas Party version. I actually like it a little better, and it's definitely worth buying, unless you don't like electric guitars. In fact, just about all the Tim Keegan stuff I've heard has been pretty good. (I guess you'd have to expect that, of course.) Bayard: >Top ten most memorable feg posts of the 1990s: >... >5. "how being a programmer is like being in the music business" (JH3) I'm touched! But wasn't that just a rip-off of the earlier, funnier, and slightly-more-topical "Music and Sex" post? And personally, I thought the "Nightmare In-Store Album Signing Incident" joint was better than either of those. But now I'm just indulging in self-promotion and vulgarian puffery, aren't I. gNat: >>This is despite spending 108,000 Pounds Sterling to make [AV1]. >This is one of the reasons I have no sympathy for XTC's financial >woes. I can see how you'd be unsympathetic, but the fact is, if someone gives you an advance (in this case XTC's Japanese distributor), they expect you to spend most of it on production costs. There's still a "get what you pay for" mentality in the music business, and it's somewhat justified from the industry perspective, since cheap- sounding "low-fi" albums still don't sell as well as glossy productions, generally speaking. And since XTC's record label was just an idea in their heads at the time (hence the name "Idea", presumably), they weren't in much of a position to argue with people who were willing to front them some money, even if they'd *wanted* to do it on the cheap, which they didn't. Mind you, I'm not writing this to be argumentative; I do think they could have recorded an album just as good for less money. (Less orchestra might have reduced costs a bit.) But L108K isn't an unreasonable amount to spend on an album that sounds like Apple Venus. John H. Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 10:28:29 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Unca Lou On 12/9/99 9:09 AM, matt sewell wrote: >I saw the velvets at the Glastonbury festival in 93, and I'm afraid, though >I am a big fan, the performance was pretty difficult to watch. >Though it was great to see all my favourite songs being played by the >original cast as it were, it was pretty much ruined by Lou Reed's attitude. >He tried to turn each song into The Lou Reed Show, and showed very thinly >veiled contempt for the rest of the band, as if he was magnanimously >allowing them to play. >I can still here the absolutely god-awful version of heroin now...ugh. >Shame, as after the excellent Songs For Drella, I was really looking forward >to it... Perhaps Matt can answer my question from a few days ago: Did Cale recite "The Gift" from memory, or did he read it? That is, if they did it at all at that gig. thanks, - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:47:00 -0500 (EST) From: normal@grove.ufl.edu Subject: Re: unca lou On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Eb wrote: > And we all know the songwriting is superb -- no > question about that. Well, unless you ask Terrence. Well, after hearing Big Star's version of "Femme Fatale", I've relented a bit. I still don't like their music, but some of their songs sound good when other people play them. I still say that "Sister Ray" isn't better than any garage band whanging and shouting for twenty minutes and that "The Gift" seems awfully reminiscent of a 9th-grade English project. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 12:57:02 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: unca lou At 01:47 PM 12/09/1999 -0500, normal@grove.ufl.edu wrote: >Well, after hearing Big Star's version of "Femme Fatale", I've relented a >bit. I still don't like their music, but some of their songs sound good >when other people play them. I still say that "Sister Ray" isn't better >than any garage band whanging and shouting for twenty minutes and that >"The Gift" seems awfully reminiscent of a 9th-grade English project. Some of us don't put our money on either of those, but on the Cale-less third album (not to denigrate Cale by any means) and on my all-time favorite record, 1969 LIVE (I don't dislike LOADED any more, but still prefer the earlier versions of the songs as heard on 1969 LIVE and on the second disc of the more recent "Fully Loaded Edition"). If you want Reed's songwriting at its best, interpreted by a stellar supporting cast, that's the way to go IMO. I could listen to the 1969 LIVE version of "What Goes On" on an infinite loop -- eternal bliss... And for el destructo noise, I'll take Cale's freakout on "Heroin" or the NICO-ending pair of "European Son" and "Black Angel's Death Song" over "Sister Ray" anytime. yr creator of apparently unmemorable posts, Miles ====================================================== Miles Goosens UNlimited edition R. Stevie Moore CDs now available! http://www.rsteviemoore.com My personal website http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles "If a million people say a stupid thing, it is still a stupid thing." -- Anatole France ====================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:06:27 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Unca Lou >By this criterion then I guess your number 9 pick is going to be: > >The Eagles/Hell Freezes Over No, indie-rock boy. Because I don't think the Eagles' songwriting is "superb." Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 14:35:36 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Unca Lou In a message dated 12/9/99 11:08:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, gondola@deltanet.com writes: << >By this criterion then I guess your number 9 pick is going to be: > >The Eagles/Hell Freezes Over No, indie-rock boy. Because I don't think the Eagles' songwriting is "superb." >> Not even "New Kid in Town"?! Well . . . o-kaaayee . . . ;-) - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 14:41:02 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: eb all over the all over In a message dated 12/8/99 6:34:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, etews@hotmail.com writes: << the most disappointing movie, in my opinion, since The Truman Show. not saying it's nearly so godawful as The Truman Show, but still a major letdown. >> I would pretty much agree. The first 1/3 or so of the movie is GREAT! But the rest of it seemed really stale and just plain nasty. I haven't seen the new Bond flick yet, but I'm expecting to enjoy it more than "Being J.M." - ------Michael K., who finally saw "Fight Club" the other night and am sorry to say that I *really* liked it! (stop smirking, Mr. Wolfe!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:59:16 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Don Felder RULES! On 12/9/99 11:35 AM, MARKEEFE@aol.com wrote: >No, indie-rock boy. Because I don't think the Eagles' songwriting is >"superb." >> > > Not even "New Kid in Town"?! Well . . . o-kaaayee . . . ;-) I still say one of the best lyrics in rawk history is from "Already Gone": Well I heard some people talkin' just the other day And they said you were gonna put me on the shelf Well let me tell you that I got some news for you, and you'll soon find out it's true And then you'll have to eat your lunch all by yourself That just kills me every time. - -tom "also fascinated by shiny objects" the tomster ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 16:18:25 -0500 From: Ben Subject: another list to ponder http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/top/solos/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 16:30:01 -0800 From: Joel Mullins Subject: The Lou Reed Show Miles Goosens wrote: > Some of us don't put our money on either of those, but on the Cale-less > third album If you're looking for Reed's best songwriting, then the 3rd album is probably best. (By the way, REM probably wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for this album.) But if you want to hear some of VU's most influential sounds, then the first two albums are where to go. After Cale was kicked out by the "The Lou Reed Show," they kind of lost their sense of experimentation, which is fine, I guess. Anyway, no matter what you think of Lou's songwriting, you can't dismiss the influence the band has had on rock music. And if you're looking for *really* great songwriting, leave the VU records in the cabinet and grab Cale's Paris 1919 or Fear. Joel ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #459 *******************************