From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #457 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, December 7 1999 Volume 08 : Number 457 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: what is going on in the world? [tanter ] is woj a boy or a girl [lj lindhurst ] RE: what is going on in the world? (0% RH, like the rest of this thread) [Christopher Gross ] Loud Family Alert [Tom Clark ] Re: what is going on in the world? (0% RH,like the rest of this thread) [] The Hairy Arm of Paul McCartney [Eb ] Re: what is going on in the world? (0% RH,like the rest of this thread) [] Re: what is going on in the world? (0% RH,like the rest of this thread) [] Re: The Hairy Arm of Paul McCartney [Tom Clark ] Re: Creme de la Cheez - Top 10s [Michael Wolfe ] Re: Creme de la Cheez - Top 10s [Eb ] Re: what is going on in the world? (0% RH,like the rest of this thread) [] I don't need no television.... [Joel Mullins ] Re: I don't need no television.... [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Yay! [Natalie Jacobs ] Re: The Hairy Arm of Paul McCartney [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: I don't need no television.... [Eleanore Adams ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 11:02:31 -0600 From: tanter Subject: RE: what is going on in the world? >===== Original Message From The Great Quail d the fucking > >BUT come on, Marcy, this is the *Dutch!* I know, I know. but still, it's just too coincidental for me--it's hard to show our gun influence on anyone but ourselves, I just saw the shooting yesterday in OK and then this one in Holland as being too close together. Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 12:14:36 -0500 From: lj lindhurst Subject: is woj a boy or a girl http://www.w-rabbit.com/dumbstuff/robyngroup.html (sorry, no breasts or Mark Gloster content) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ LJ Lindhurst White Rabbit Graphic Design NYC ljl@w-rabbit.com http://www.w-rabbit.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Hey Mikey, whatever happened to the fucking Duke of Earl?" --Randy Newman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 12:31:13 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: RE: what is going on in the world? (0% RH, like the rest of this thread) On Tue, 7 Dec 1999, tanter wrote: > >===== Original Message From The Great Quail d the fucking Isn't that supposed to be "From Quail, The Great Fucking"? > >BUT come on, Marcy, this is the *Dutch!* > > I know, I know. but still, it's just too coincidental for me--it's hard to > show our gun influence on anyone but ourselves, I just saw the shooting > yesterday in OK and then this one in Holland as being too close together. I think the problem in your first post was in blaming our gun *laws*, instead of our gun *culture*. If there's an American influence in this Dutch shooting, it's probably from our gun-saturated and widely-exported movies and TV, rather than from our lax gun laws. After all, US laws aren't generally enforced in the Netherlands. (You wouldn't blame lax Dutch prostitution laws for widespread teenage sex in America, would you? ;) ) Side note: I've heard that one reason Hollywood prefers to churn out mindless cookie-cutter action flicks is that MCCAFs are easier to sell abroad than character- and dialgue-driven films. You don't have to be a speed-reader to follow the subtitles in Lethal Weapon XI. Another side note: wasn't the gun used to assassinate Swedish PM Olaf Palme (?) smuggled in from the US? I seem to remember something like that. If true, this would mean that lax American gun laws were partly to blame for *that* killing, along with imperfect Swedish border controls. - --Chris, who thinks that our gun laws are way too lax, but also enjoys busting a few caps on occasion ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:11:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: dark foreboding skies of the royal domain On Fri, 3 Dec 1999, Natalie Jacobs wrote: > Cadbury is the supposed site of Camelot. King Arthur was indeed born at > Tintagel, in Cornwall. The legend is that his mother Igraine was holed up > there while her husband the Duke of Cornwall was off fighting a war. King > Uther Pendragon, with the aid of Merlin, disguised himself as the Duke, > got into the castle, and did the wild thing with Igraine, the result being > Arthur, who later pulled the stone out of the sword. Or something. I'll get back to you on this. Gorlois (aka Gerlois), husband of Igraine of Orkney (aka Ygerna of ditto) is sometimes referred to as the Duke of Cornwall, but this seems extremely unlikely because: a) whether you date Arthur in the 4th, 5th, or 6th century, 'Duke' was not a valid British rank - it came in with the Normans post-1066. b) why would there be a Duke of Cornwall when they had a King, King Mark of Cornwall? Surely there isn't room for both? (thinks: unless 'duke' is a translation of 'dux bellorum', in which case there might be...) All this stuff is fairly garbled. Apparently there are versions which spell Guinevere as 'Gwenhwyvar" and "Guenhumara"... > I memorized "The Once and Future King" when I was a kid. Can you tell? Yes. Could you just run me through the contents of Merlin's house when the Wart first meets him? - - Mike "Glatisant" Godwin PS sp.: Heineken, Olof Palme (I know it looks wrong). PPS: Thanks to Stewart for Brythonic translation. n.p. Donovan 'Guinevere of the Royal Court of Arthur'... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 12:39:39 -0600 From: Marcy Tanter Subject: RE: what is going on in the world? (0% RH, like the rest of this thread) At 12:31 PM 12/7/99 -0500, you wrote: >I think the problem in your first post was in blaming our gun *laws*, >instead of our gun *culture*. If there's an American influence in this >Dutch shooting, it's probably from our gun-saturated and widely-exported >movies and TV, rather than from our lax gun laws. After all, US laws >aren't generally enforced in the Netherlands. (You wouldn't blame lax >Dutch prostitution laws for widespread teenage sex in America, would you? >;) ) Ok, ok. Guns bad, people bad, laws bad. Does that cover everything? Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 14:32:26 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Loud Family confusion On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, fartachu wrote: ^^^^^^^^ good grief. > _days for days_ is the one that eludes me. i'm still trying to latch > onto it. the between-song noodles really throw me off -- they seem > much too linear for the likes of scott miller. well, he's denied that he consciously alternates between 'weird' albums and 'normal' ones, but Days For Days does make a lot more sense if you convince yourself that the unnamed songs aren't meant to be experimental - -- just a different approach to clearing the mind between songs than leaving ten seconds of silence. > _the tape of only linda_ is a good starting place too. scott miller at > his most straight-forward, but still giving an inkling of what the > band is about. oof. i'm sorry, The Tape Of Only Linda just has too many problems to recommend to someone who's still trying to figure out if they like the band. the songwriting is fine (if you ignore the two non-scott songs) but the production and the conflicts between the band members over who gets to play sink it. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 11:35:17 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Loud Family Alert This Saturday, Dec. 11th, 9PM PST. Loud Family live in studio at KFJC you're welcome, - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 12:03:56 +0800 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: what is going on in the world? (0% RH,like the rest of this thread) Interesting subject! I believe the homicide rate in the US is still declining since the 80's. (I'll ahve to look this up for verification - I am actiually studying homicide for a final right now and find this facinating) There was a lot of school shootings when I was in high school, but just not this widely (CNN, news flash breaks etc) publicized, since it was all in the inner city schools, and gang/drug related. My frined Mike was shot, and two of my frinds were shot at, but this never made headline, not even the local papers. I honestly think it is getting headlines now because of race - white on white in the suburbs. "I though we were safe in this community, that's why I moved here" kind of stuff. The reality is that homicide in the US is on the decline, including in the public schools. It just goes to show you that racism is so thick within our society and media.... I am not saying it isn't newsworthy - hell it is! But people are under the misconception that this is new -it is not completely new. Kids have been bringing guns to school in my lifetime. So, Marcy, nothing is going on in the world that hasn't been going on before. Really. I do believe we need tighter gun controls etc...There is no reason for a kid to have an uzi, and that seems very newsworthy, that these kids are buying these guns from legit dealers! Now that is wacked. Richard Rhodes has a new book out "Why They Kill". Can't wait to read it! eleanore Marcy Tanter wrote: > At 12:31 PM 12/7/99 -0500, you wrote: > > >I think the problem in your first post was in blaming our gun *laws*, > >instead of our gun *culture*. If there's an American influence in this > >Dutch shooting, it's probably from our gun-saturated and widely-exported > >movies and TV, rather than from our lax gun laws. After all, US laws > >aren't generally enforced in the Netherlands. (You wouldn't blame lax > >Dutch prostitution laws for widespread teenage sex in America, would you? > >;) ) > > Ok, ok. Guns bad, people bad, laws bad. Does that cover everything? > > Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 12:38:17 -0800 From: Eb Subject: The Hairy Arm of Paul McCartney ["ENCAPS"? - ed.] THIS IS TRUE.. ANOTHER THING I WANT TO SAY IS I NOTICED ALOT OF PAULS FANS REALLY WANT TO KNOW HIS RELIGION AND PHILOSOPHY BUT SOME LIKE ENCAPS CRY WITCH BURN BABY BURN OR RUN DEVIL RUN PAUL IS NOT A DEVIL HE IS A SELF REALIZED GURU LOVE PROPHET AND A DISCIPLE OF DON JUAN AND MAHARISHI AND CHRIST AND OTHER GREAT ONES. HE IS A DRUID ROCK PERSON AND I BELIEVE INDICATED THAT WITH HIS STANDING STONE READ THE REVIEWS... ON STANDING STONE. SO WHEN HIS FANS WANT TO KNOW ABOUT HIM HE IS PROUD TO TEACH UNFORTUNATELY THERE IS ENCAP WHO MAY HURT PAUL AS HE IS TRYING TO HURT ME BY WORDS.. I AM THE HAIRY ARM FOR PAUL MC CARTNEY SO HE CAN SPOT THE ONES WHO WOULD NOT LIKE HIM IF HE ADMITTED THE THINGS I SAY.. ENCAPS GET REAL AND GROW UP THE PEOPLE OUT IN THE WORLD DO HAVE DIFFERENT KINDS OF CONSCIOUSNESSES AND YOU ARE THE ONE WHO CHOOSES THE SOLID WORLD. BUT SOME OF US HAVE TRANSCENDED THE WORLD CONSCIOUSNESS AND ARE TRANSIDENTAL CONSCIOUSNESS OF MAHARISHI WHICH MEANS WE DO SEE AND TRAVEL BY LIGHT BODIES AND ARE VERY SPIRITUAL AND OUR BODIE AND EYE ARE FULL OF CHRISTLIGHT BUT YOU ARE DOING A WITCH HUNT ON ME ONLY VERBAL BUT YOU HAVE WRITTEN MY MATE AND CAUSED HIM TO BE VIOLENT PHYSICALLY TO ME.. ARE YOU A GOOD PERSON ENCAP \OR WHAT... YOU ARE A VEHICLE OF VIOLENCE ENCAP NOT ME.. I GOT HIT SEVERAL TIMES AND PUNISHED SEVERAL TIMES WHEN YOU WRITE MY MATE AT HOME AND COMPLAIN.. JUST BECAUSE OF MY RELIGIOUS DRUIDIC BELIEFS RIGHT NOW MY MATE IS BEING REAL GOOD BUT...YOUR RANTING IS CATCHING.. TO OTHERS LIKE KOMENIS IS IN IRAN.. MANY PEOPLE SEEM TO GO VIOLENTLY CRAZY AROUND BELIEF SYSTEMS LIKE THE DRUID ONE OF STANDING STONE....EASILY.. PAUL WOULD BE HANGED IN IRAN FOR SURE SO WOULD I .. BUT AMERICA AND ENGLAND ARE FREE COUTRIES AND OUR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS SHOULD BE RESPECTED... SO ENCAPS COOL IT PLEASE. I RESPECT YOUR NEED TO NOT READ MY WRITINGS FOR IT MAKES YOU VIOLENT LY PRONE.. BUT MY WRITINGS ARE PEACEFUL MEANT AND ARE TRUTH TO ME AND OTHERS. I HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO WRITE ME AND LOVE WHAT I WRITE AND FIND IT STIMULATING LIKE THE ILYOD AND ODDESSEY.. THIS IS ABOUT RELIGIOUS FREEDOM IMAGINE HOW THE QUEEN MUST HAVE FELT WHEN PAUL THE KNIGHT PUTS OUT STANDING STONE CANT THE QUEEN BE PROUD OF KING ARTHUR HER PREDESSOR OR IS SHE GOING TO BE HUNG BY THE KOMENI CROWD.. THE CROWN LOVES HIS WORK AND DRUIDISM IS A GOOD STONE PEOPLE BELIEF OF THE DAYS LONG AGO OF STONEHEDGE IT IS A MERLIN SCIENCE AND PHILOSOPHIC OF EARLY MANS BRILLIANCE IN MATH AND ASTRONOMY AND HAS TO DO WITH THE GREEN MAN FROM OTHER STARS...OUR ROOTS.. I KNOW SO MUCH AND YET PEOPLE LIKE ENCAPS KEEP THE ONES THE STAR PEOPLE FROM LEARNING ABOUT THEIR STAR ROOTS AND THE AFTERLIFE IN THE UNDERGROUND THAT IS ANOTHER DEMENSION AND WE DO DREAM OF IT SOMETIMES. LOVE TO YOU ALL I LOVE YOU SO MUCH AND PAUL DOES TOO PLEASE BE FREE IN YOUR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS TO OTHERS AND YOURSELVES EXPLORE WITH OPEN MINDS AND OPEN LOVING HEART AND IN THE PEACE GOD WILL REVEAL MUCH TO ;YOU.. HE LOVES YOU.. VICTORIA BONDS WILD WINGS. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 16:11:56 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: what is going on in the world? (0% RH,like the rest of this thread) On Tue, 7 Dec 1999, Eleanore Adams wrote: > There was a lot of school shootings when I was in high school, but just not > this widely (CNN, news flash breaks etc) publicized, since it was all in the > inner city schools, and gang/drug related. My frined Mike was shot, and two > of my frinds were shot at, but this never made headline, not even the local > papers. I honestly think it is getting headlines now because of race - white > on white in the suburbs. The racial factor might account for the publicity (though I would hesitate to just *assume* it). However, race isn't the only unique factor in the latest killings. The "traditional" inner city school shootings were mostly the result of either personal or gang feuds, often drug-related. They weren't much different from the average shooting anywhere, in school or out. The highly publicized killings of the last year or two have been something quite different: mass, random shootings, unconnected to any other criminal activity, committed for no apparent reason at all. That particular *type* of school murder is new, or at least was very rare until about 1998. Why do I think this matters? Because, since this sort of killing isn't caused by the normal motives, it might not be affected be the general decline in normal crime. Hmm. If I think of anything else to cheer you folks up, I'll be sure to post it.... - --Chris np: Skinny Puppy, _Brap_ ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 13:11:49 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: what is going on in the world? (0% RH,like the rest of this thread) On 12/6/99 8:03 PM, Eleanore Adams wrote: >Interesting subject! > >I believe the homicide rate in the US is still declining since the 80's. >(I'll ahve to look this up for verification - I am actiually studying >homicide for a final right now and find this facinating) A related note, from a story in yesterday's L.A. Times: According to a study released by the Milton S. Eisenhower Foundation, the rate of violent crime in the U.S. - including assault, murder, rape, and robbery - jumped from 860 incidents per 100,000 people in 1969 to 1,218 incidents in 1998. Also, the percentage of people who said they would be afraid to walk alone at night within a mile of their homes rose from 31% to 41%. The report attributes a lot of these statistics to the doubling of the number of firearms on the streets - a total of nearly 200 million. Also cited was the "vast and shameful inequality in income, wealth and opportunity" in this country. So there you go, FWIW, reach your own conclusions. Personally, I can think of valid rebuttals for much of the report's findings, but the amount of guns out there is fucking ridiculous. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 13:13:51 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: The Hairy Arm of Paul McCartney On 12/7/99 12:38 PM, Eb wrote: >SELF REALIZED GURU LOVE PROPHET Hey - that was my nickname in High School!!!! - -t "Druid Rock Person" c ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 19:00:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Wolfe Subject: Re: Creme de la Cheez - Top 10s >> 7. Flood, They Might Be Giants -- The perfect TMBG album. The > >I always thought that Apollo 18 was the perfect TMBG album. >Harder rockin'. Displays serious competence (TMBG are >underrated instrumentalists). A more mature sense of humor. They're both fine work, you can't go wrong either way. Flood just holds together for me better; sometimes a TMBG album feels more like a collection of songs. I'm not sure if I agree with you about more Apollo 18 showing a more mature sense of humor -- you've got really silly stuff on both (Particle Man, Turn Around) and more thoughtful stuff on both (Your Rascist Friend, Mammal.) But I certainly don't begrudge anyone their preference, and certainly derive my share of enjoyment from Apollo 18. Incidentally, I thought that Factory Showroom seemed to really be a step forward for them in terms of finding a comfort level with their full band. They really seemed to use it to free them to do more things, rather than to treat it as more people they had to write song parts for. >> 3. Millionaires, James -- Holy shit. I got this Friday (on > >Is this Jools Holland's band or another Millionaires? Actually, I was listing the album first and the band second. Millionaires is the album name, put out by the band James. There's a great story about why they named it Millionaires. I saw them on their most recent US tour, and the lead singer Tim Booth was talking about how it'd been a harrowing year for the band. He mentioned that when they released the album Seven, they had 7 members. Their next album was Laid, and presumably that had some relation to reality, too. Then while touring for their most recent album, Whiplash, Tim got in a car wreck and got whiplash. So, he said, we're going to call the next one Millionaires, damnit, and hope that the pattern holds. - -Michael Wolfe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 15:09:34 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Creme de la Cheez - Top 10s >>> 7. Flood, They Might Be Giants -- The perfect TMBG album. The >> >>I always thought that Apollo 18 was the perfect TMBG album. >>Harder rockin'. Displays serious competence (TMBG are >>underrated instrumentalists). A more mature sense of humor. Apollo 13 gets my vote for the best TMBG album. However, I may be unjustly biased against Flood, because it's the only TMBG album which I don't have on CD. So it's kinda like, "Ugh, that crummy cassette of Flood." One of these years, I'll upgrade.... Every time I see John McCain speak, I think of two words: "Bruce Dern." I just had to get that off my chest. I'm currently listening to/writing about the new Yo La Tengo album, not publicly available until February 22nd, 2000. I think this album is going to let down a lot of fans (like me). Eb 11) Richard Thompson/Rumor & Sigh ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:20:29 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: what is going on in the world? (0% RH,like the rest of this thread) In a message dated 12/7/99 1:07:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, chrisg@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu writes: << The racial factor might account for the publicity (though I would hesitate to just *assume* it). However, race isn't the only unique factor in the latest killings. The "traditional" inner city school shootings were mostly the result of either personal or gang feuds, often drug-related. They weren't much different from the average shooting anywhere, in school or out. >> This is what I was thinking, too. << The highly publicized killings of the last year or two have been something quite different: mass, random shootings, unconnected to any other criminal activity, committed for no apparent reason at all. That particular *type* of school murder is new, or at least was very rare until about 1998. >> I don't know if I'd agree with the "committed for no apparent reason at all" part here. What really scares me is that the reasons for these murders seem to be so completely disproportionate to, well, killing lots of people. I don't know that anything is proportionate to mass murder, but what we've been seeing from these gun-slinging white suburban kids isn't the kind of disproportionateness that we're used to, at any rate. Anyway, what I mean to say is that general malaise, restlessness, having parents that sometimes piss you off, wearing the wrong clothes, and dirty looks seem to be the reasons for these slayings. That's *way* more fucked up than religious differences between nations! These "reasons" even fall below 'greed over mineral rights' on the list of justifications for killing people. What's really frightening to me is that the world must appear to these kids to be utterly without reasonable solutions to problems; that shit just keeps on coming down the turnpike no matter what anyone tries to do; that no one could be bothered to take the time to find out if they're okay. There are way too many factors involved here to blame any one thing. If there weren't guns, that'd be great. Much less damage would be done with knives or baseball bats. But that wouldn't fix the fact that the underlying motives are still there and that the education system is nosediving and that many, many high school kids are left to their own devices almost all of the time. I don't know who's to blame. Most everyone, I guess. And I definitely don't know what to do about all of this. And, what's worse, it's only pretty occasionally that I even take the time to think about what I could possibly do to help, at which point I usually just kinda shrug and shake my head. I would guess that most people do even less than that, parents and teens very much included. Does this pattern maybe still need to get even *worse* before it reaches a point where it's considered a crisis?! Maybe our tolerance anymore is just that high. Yeesh. - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 17:12:42 -0800 From: Joel Mullins Subject: I don't need no television.... Eleanore Adams wrote: > There was a lot of school shootings when I was in high school, but just not > this widely (CNN, news flash breaks etc) publicized, since it was all in the > inner city schools, and gang/drug related. My frined Mike was shot, and two > of my frinds were shot at, but this never made headline, not even the local > papers. I honestly think it is getting headlines now because of race - white > on white in the suburbs. "I though we were safe in this community, that's why > I moved here" kind of stuff. The reality is that homicide in the US is on the > decline, including in the public schools. It just goes to show you that > racism is so thick within our society and media.... This is a really interesting point. And it's something that people don't even consider. Honestly, when all this first started happening, I thought something was going wrong, too. I didn't consider the possibility that it had been going on before. The problem seems to be that people (myself included, at times) trust the media way too much. If it's not on TV, it doesn't exist. That's the attitude in America these days. But the truth of the matter is that we will never actually be able to know the truth about anything as long as we're getting our information from the media. That's a very cynical viewpoint, and I'm not sure if I completely agree with it. But I have been pretty disillusioned about TV and the media lately. For example, if I want to really freak myself out, I can just turn on the local news. It's actually pretty scary, not because of the content, but because of how it's delivered and that the entire community sees this as the truth and the only truth. I guess I've just been trying to form my own thoughts about this lately, and I'm interested in what everyone thinks. Joel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:36:33 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: I don't need no television.... In a message dated 12/7/99 3:26:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, acidbird@swbell.net writes: << For example, if I want to really freak myself out, I can just turn on the local news. It's actually pretty scary, not because of the content, but because of how it's delivered and that the entire community sees this as the truth and the only truth. I guess I've just been trying to form my own thoughts about this lately, and I'm interested in what everyone thinks. >> I think that the local news is one of the most horrifying things around. I'm almost to the point where I won't be in the same room with it. The only good thing about the local news in Portland is that they often fall into some pretty funny bloopers, just because they're pretty shoddy operations. Mismatched graphics/stories can be good for a laugh, but not if you're too freaked out from the story right before. - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:48:09 -0500 (EST) From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: Yay! My friend who told me that Stereolab had already played here last month was wrong, wrong, wrong! They're playing here on Thursday and I have a ticket in my hot little hand. I'm geeked, as you can probably tell. Jim O'Rourke is opening. I hate to sound like an unhip ignoramus, but I'm not clear on who O'Rourke is. I know he's part of that "post-rock" Chicago scene, but is he from a band, or a solo guy? Joel enthuses (re. "The Big Express") > I guess I finally "got" whatever it was that I needed to "get," > because now I love it! That's right, Joel... join the collective... join us... join usss.... :) Speaking of XTC, while I was getting my 'Lab ticket, I stopped at a listening station and skimmed through "Homespun." Man... is this a totally unnecessary, redundant release or what?? The Partridge demos are virtually *identical* to the finished versions. The Moulding demos are rougher, but they're weak songs anyway and there's only two of them. The only really interesting bits are the very rough acoustic takes at the beginning of "I'd Like That" and "Harvest Festival" - amounting to about two minutes of material that sounds different from the finished product. I'm SO glad I didn't buy this! (And no, I won't buy it because "XTC need the money." I have very little sympathy for their financial woes.) Anyway. I'm strongly tempted to go against principle and post a Top Whatever of the Year/Decade/Millenium/Geological Age, and I'll probably do it eventually, but I have to listen to the new Stereolab a few more times, and I've only listened to a little of the new Beck. (The reviewer at WCBN described it as "very pimp," which seems pretty accurate to me.) I should go eat. n. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:04:45 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: The Hairy Arm of Paul McCartney In a message dated 12/7/99 12:40:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, gondola@deltanet.com writes: << PAUL IS NOT A DEVIL . . . HE IS A DRUID ROCK PERSON >> I'm not the only person picturing a certain scene from "Spinal Tap" at this moment, am I? << UNFORTUNATELY THERE IS ENCAP WHO MAY HURT PAUL AS HE IS TRYING TO HURT ME BY WORDS.. >> Somebody warn Paul, quick! << I GOT HIT SEVERAL TIMES AND PUNISHED SEVERAL TIMES WHEN YOU WRITE MY MATE AT HOME AND COMPLAIN.. >> Now, that's truly scary. I think this "encaps" person is the least of our pal Victoria's troubles. I'm thinking that the *last* thing a schizophrenic needs is to be abused by her partner. << MANY PEOPLE SEEM TO GO VIOLENTLY CRAZY AROUND BELIEF SYSTEMS LIKE THE DRUID ONE OF STANDING STONE....EASILY.. PAUL WOULD BE HANGED IN IRAN FOR SURE >> It's too bad McCartney had to cancel his tour of Iran. But, man, the threat of being hanged! Woah! << I HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO WRITE ME AND LOVE WHAT I WRITE AND FIND IT STIMULATING LIKE THE ILYOD AND ODDESSEY.. >> ROTFLMAO!! (and I never use that term) There's definitely something stimulating about this chick's writing, but I'm not sure that it could be likened to classic literature. << IS A GOOD STONE PEOPLE BELIEF OF THE DAYS LONG AGO OF STONEHEDGE >> The thing I like best about stone hedges is that you don't have to trim them as often ;-) << I KNOW SO MUCH AND YET >> Yeah, like how to spell "Stonehenge"?! I wonder if this woman's religion/philosophy/wordview is informed by anything *other* than album liner notes! Eb, this woman kicks ass all over D#!!! :-) - -------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 16:16:51 +0800 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: I don't need no television.... I agree. I watch the local news for weather and traffic, and that is about it. The violence doesn't freak me out because it has always been there, and will always be there. I could tell some horrible stories about guns. I am sure many of you can too. Fear, I think, is based on perspective and expectation. I remember when the Columbine shooting occurred and they spent months talking about it on TV. My husband would complain "why are they spending so much time on this story. This has been happening for years. Why is this so special?" Perspective, perspective. Perspective. My grandmother still walks around her home at night with her .22 because of fear. She fears police, nieghbors, some family. She grew up in Poland during the '40. She scared the hell out of me one night! One can say the motive is different, but motive only goes so far. Their (the shooters) motive is just as "strange" as the motive behind the dragging death in TX, or the beating death in WY. They (the Columbine shooters) wanted to kill those they did not like. (or at least that seems to be the take i get from TV) The big difference is the amount of fire power, but not the motive. Man, I am a complete cynic! elenaore Joel Mullins wrote: > But I have been pretty > disillusioned about TV and the media lately. For example, if I want to > really freak myself out, I can just turn on the local news. It's > actually pretty scary, not because of the content, but because of how > it's delivered and that the entire community sees this as the truth and > the only truth. I guess I've just been trying to form my own thoughts > about this lately, and I'm interested in what everyone thinks. > ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #457 *******************************