From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #451 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, December 2 1999 Volume 08 : Number 451 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Vonnegut, Trout, and Hell ["JH3" ] Re: King Mark of Gloster- Sharkmaniax history [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Re: Robyn the Inventor ["JH3" ] Re: ABC; apologies,breasts,and circlejerks [Michael Wolfe ] Re: I'd never be late to class! [Glen Uber ] Re: I'd never be late to class! [Ken Ostrander ] Re: I'd never be late to class! [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: Free tuna. [Capuchin ] Re: imaginary bands ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: Free tuna. ["JH3" ] Re: I'd never be late to class! [Tom Clark ] Re: RH in the Phoenix New Time [Bayard ] Re: RH in the Phoenix New Time [Eb ] Re: RH in the Phoenix New Time [Bayard ] Re: RH in the Phoenix New Time [Eb ] Re: Re: RH in the Phoenix New Time [Paul Christian Glenn ] Re: RH in the Phoenix New Time [Bayard ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #449 [DDerosa5@aol.com] The Philosophers' Stone, Ch. 2 [Bayard ] Re: Heed this, Fegs! The Millennium is nigh! [Ken Ostrander ] Robyn's crack-cocaine cheeseRe: fegmaniax-digest V8 #449 [Carole Reichste] Cornwall [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] The WTO, Eddie, and rubber bullets (sorry, no Robyn here) [Carole Reichst] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:03:47 -0600 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: Vonnegut, Trout, and Hell Dave D., writing about Philip Jose Farmer: >PJF rocks. Meta-meta-science fiction! He wrote almost >believeable books claiming to find the family trees of >both Tarzan and Doc Savage, with hilarious results. >As well as the Riverworld series, etc. The "Pope of >Peoria" (as he's known locally)... That's just what his publicists want you think he's known locally as! I've lived near Peoria for several years (and worked in the city for half of that time), and I've never heard that term applied to him, not once. I doubt most folks 'round here have even heard of him at all. I don't think they read books... There used to be a good used book store in town called "Red Willow Books", but it went belly up a couple of years ago. I see people in the Barnes & Noble occasionally, but most of them are probably there for the coffee. Anyway, he should fire his publicists. Maybe they call him "pope" because he's really, really old? I don't think he wears funny hats or anything, but I've never been to his house. Matt Sewell writes: >I recommend Penzance, or more specifically Marazion >beach with the famous St Michael's Mount (source of >the St Michaels ley line but hey, don't get me started) I'd recommend a little town called Clovelly, but I think it's in Devon. Probably the steepest town I've ever been in. Bude is nice too - I think that's in Cornwall, but I don't have my atlas in front of me. Hell, anything to get out of Peoria... speaking of which: >>I think you're right about that, but now I'm curious >>about where the idea of Hell *did* come from... >The idea of Hell *is* in the Bible. It's usually Sheol >in the OT, sometimes Gehenna in the NT, both often >translated as Hell... IIRC, there was a theory advanced not too long ago that suggested the idea for hell came from a large pit on the outskirts of Jerusalem, where people have been dumping and burning garbage and various other nasty things for literally thousands of years. Apparently the stench is unbearable... I forget the name of the place now, but at least it might explain why hell is described as a "pit" instead of, for example, a TV talk show or a corporate staff meeting, which is how I think it would be described if it were being invented today. Also, Philip Jose Farmer wrote a book, set here in Peoria, called "Nothing Burns in Hell." Now I'm not saying he's a bad writer in general, but you'll definitely want to stay away from this particular book. I bought a copy, but I think I ended up burning it... John "nothing burns in" Helldges ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:07:13 -0800 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: King Mark of Gloster- Sharkmaniax history > Does anyone know if there really is a place called Cornwall? Just pondering >whether Markg could be King Mark. Even though King Mark comes across as >arrogant and what not in chpt 1, by the end...maybe I shouldn't spoil it. >I'll just say it is a compliment. In truth, I was once coronated king of the hens of Cornwall. Yes, perhaps you've heard of Cornish Game Hens. The lady of the lake blessed the mighty electric knife and placed it in a rock-hard loaf of bread. Upon extracting the electric knife I received one helluva shock, as it was plugged in at the time, and my electricity dance attracted the likes of the game hens who immediately proclaimed my luminance and dental structures as being "like royalty, dude." They all did a game hen dance and I was king. They threw me over sometime later when they found out that I was arrogant and loose with their golden eggs. I believe that "the artist" formerly known as an unpronounceable symbol formerly known as the artist formerly known as Prince is my successor, and I don't feel too good about it, actually. Not a king, but I used to play one in Cornwall, or was that Sidewall. That is yer hist'ry lesson for today. And it's probably all made up. Happies, - -Markg I have been accused of both obsequiousness and arrogance many times. I am like a vessel of oil and vinegar- okay, root beer and garlic too. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:23:03 -0600 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: Robyn the Inventor >>>Hitchcock is also a fledgling author, cartoonist, painter >>>and smalltime inventor. >> What has RH "invented" (or attempted to invent)? Actually, that sentence was meant to be taken literally. Robyn is the inventor of SmallTime [TM], a fascinating new technology which takes periods of time and shrinks them down to a smaller size. Of course, since time isn't measured in terms of physical dimensions, you just have to take Robyn's word for it that the technology works, but heck, how is that different from most high- tech firms these days? For more info, check out http://www.smalltime.com. It has nothing to do with Robyn, but it's a fairly well- designed web site. I was thinking of using that name for my really clever program that shrinks those little QuickTime videos down to a size so small you can't even see them on your screen, but I guess nobody seemed interested. Maybe they thought they were already small enough? Hrmph! People are weird. JH3 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 18:18:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Wolfe Subject: Re: ABC; apologies,breasts,and circlejerks >Cheer up, it's Sushi Wednesday! > >Maguro's on me.* >J. > >* First fifty itemized receipts listing maguro will be >reimbursed for the total amount of the maguro purchase. Offer >not valid outside the United States of America nor in states >ending in vowels or touching an ocean nor in states containing a >city named ${StateName} City. So, rejoice, all you sushi-loving fegs currently inhabiting those noted raw fish hotbeds of Wyoming, Utah, Vermont, Wisconsin, and, uh, Kentucky! - -Michael Wolfe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:28:26 -0800 (PST) From: Vivien Lyon Subject: Re: I'd never be late to class! - --- Tom Clark wrote: > Then I just missed meeting Jennifer Jason Leigh by about fifteen > seconds. > D'oh! During a deep meditation the other day, I devoutly forswore telling my starfucking stories ever again. It makes me feel dirty, it doesn't impress people, and it's just dumb. But now you've forced me to once again drag out the old chesnuts. Thanks a lot. Jennifer Jason Leigh came into the green room at Steppenwolf one time and this actor fellow dragged me over to meet her. I didn't know who I was going to meet, so I wasn't prepared to see this tiny little elf before me. Honestly, she was about 4'9". As it gradually dawned on me who this was, I blurted out "Jennifer Jason Leigh! It's great to meet you! Man, you're much shorter than I thought! I can't believe I said that! I have to go!" She looked pretty disdainful and tired. Vivien __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:30:45 -0800 (PST) From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: I'd never be late to class! On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Tom Clark wrote: >Um, please don't drag me into your childish discussions. Okay, but I didn't see you kicking and screaming as I dragged you in... ;-) Cheers! - -g- "The road to excess leads to the palace of wisdom." --William Blake +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 14:27:46 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: Re: I'd never be late to class! Underwire Bras Deadly Two London women became victims of fashion when their underwire bras acted as electrical conductors on Wednesday. Anuban and Sunee were enjoying a break from shopping by taking a walk in Hyde Park, when a thunderstorm drove them under a tree for shelter. The Thailand natives were struck by a bolt of lightning, which killed them instantly. Their bodies were ignored by other walkers until the following day, when it became apparent that they were not simply sleeping vagrants. Forensic evidence revealed that the lightning discharge was channeled into the metal brassieres, leaving burn marks on their chests. The coroner stated that it was only the second time in his experience of 50,000 deaths where an underwire brassiere was implicated in an electrocution death. The inquest recorded a verdict of death by misadventure. www.DarwinAwards.com Copyright 1999 >fegs, > >In light of the recent breast thread, I thought it appropriate to mention >that Santa Rosa Junior College is offering a course in "Bra Construction". >No word on whether real breasts will be used as molds. > >My question is, can I go back to college and *major* in this? Shit, I >could be the proud possessor of a Doctorate of Hooter Engineering! Come to >think of it, Tom & Russ would probably graduate at the head of the >class! > >Talk amongst yourselves... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:44:20 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: I'd never be late to class! In a message dated 12/2/99 10:50:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, tclark@apple.com writes: << Then I just missed meeting Jennifer Jason Leigh by about fifteen seconds. D'oh! >> Uh. Be still my heart! - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:47:31 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Free tuna. On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Michael Wolfe wrote: > >Cheer up, it's Sushi Wednesday! > >Maguro's on me.* > >J. > >* First fifty itemized receipts listing maguro will be > >reimbursed for the total amount of the maguro purchase. Offer > >not valid outside the United States of America nor in states > >ending in vowels or touching an ocean nor in states containing a > >city named ${StateName} City. > So, rejoice, all you sushi-loving fegs currently inhabiting those > noted raw fish hotbeds of Wyoming, Utah, Vermont, Wisconsin, and, > uh, Kentucky! I also openned it up to Washington, D.C., in case you were wondering. But Kentucky doesn't count because Y is used as a vowel. Nobody bit. Stay tuned for next Wednesday's offer. J. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:57:11 -0600 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: imaginary bands >From: "Richard Zeszotarski" >Subject: Re: ...and screaming jay hawkins begat screaming lord sutch... > > >- -Rich "I cna't believe I just revealed something THAT embarassing" Z Heck, since we're all sharing... For a while, I played drums in a living room band (we didn't even have a garage. or an audience, for that matter) called Umlaut (except we put the umlauts on the consonants -- anarchists, we). Our big hit was written by our guitar player Chris. It was called "Scat Party USA" and contained the priceless line: "You're an eight on a scale of one to seven." Say it out loud a few time, then it'll make sense. ObRobyn: I just got the Rare Jewels promo, and boy do those two new songs (I Saw Nick Drake, and Jesus & Me) sound good. They have that demo-quality to them, but they're real warm and nice, and the acoustic bass is a real nice touch. Anybody know who the backing band was on these cuts? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:56:43 -0600 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: Free tuna. >>>Offer not valid outside the United States of America >>>nor in states ending in vowels or touching an ocean >>>nor in states containing a city named ${StateName} >>>City. >>So, rejoice, all you sushi-loving fegs currently inhabiting >>those noted raw fish hotbeds of Wyoming, Utah, Vermont, >>Wisconsin, and, uh, Kentucky! >I also opened it up to Washington, D.C., in case you were >wondering. >But Kentucky doesn't count because Y is used as a vowel. Illinois? (Yet another Peoria Fun Fact [TM]: No sushi restaurants whatsoever!) JH3 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:56:22 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: I'd never be late to class! On 12/2/99 11:44 AM, MARKEEFE@aol.com wrote: ><< Then I just missed meeting Jennifer Jason Leigh by about fifteen seconds. > D'oh! >> > > Uh. Be still my heart! Exactly. A friend of mine walked up to her with every intent of starting a conversation, but ended up just stuttering incoherently and drooling onto his shirt. I just wanted a hug!! - -tc AAPL: $110 5/8 Praise be to Steve! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:09:46 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: RH in the Phoenix New Time On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Eb wrote: > >Hitchcock is also a fledgling author, cartoonist, painter and smalltime > >inventor. > > What has RH "invented" (or attempted to invent)? He worked on a time machine when he was twelve. http://www.fegmania.org/chrono.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:48:10 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: RH in the Phoenix New Time >> What has RH "invented" (or attempted to invent)? > >He worked on a time machine when he was twelve. That couldn't possibly be the invention which the writer was referencing. So far, the answers to my innocent question have been most unsatisfactory. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:01:04 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: RH in the Phoenix New Time On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Eb wrote: > >> What has RH "invented" (or attempted to invent)? > > > >He worked on a time machine when he was twelve. > > That couldn't possibly be the invention which the writer was referencing. Why not? He was small; it was a time machine; "smalltime inventor". I learned about the time machine in another interview. > So far, the answers to my innocent question have been most unsatisfactory. Give me a fucking break. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:05:00 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: RH in the Phoenix New Time >> >He worked on a time machine when he was twelve. >> >> That couldn't possibly be the invention which the writer was referencing. > >Why not? He was small; it was a time machine; "smalltime inventor". Give me a fucking break. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:0:23 -0600 From: Paul Christian Glenn Subject: Re: Re: RH in the Phoenix New Time At 12/2/99 1:48:00 PM, you wrote: >>> What has RH "invented" (or attempted to invent)? >> >>He worked on a time machine when he was twelve. > >That couldn't possibly be the invention which the writer was referencing. > >So far, the answers to my innocent question have been most unsatisfactory. Hey, why is the floating pen unsatisfactory? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 17:06:55 -0500 From: Ben Subject: Re: RH in the Phoenix New Time Of course the correct answer is Robyn Hitchcock invented Neutral Milk Hotel. Bayard wrote: > On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Eb wrote: > > > >> What has RH "invented" (or attempted to invent)? > > > > > >He worked on a time machine when he was twelve. > > > > That couldn't possibly be the invention which the writer was referencing. > > Why not? He was small; it was a time machine; "smalltime inventor". > > I learned about the time machine in another interview. > > > So far, the answers to my innocent question have been most unsatisfactory. > > Give me a fucking break. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:14:06 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: RH in the Phoenix New Time On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Eb wrote: > >> >He worked on a time machine when he was twelve. > >> > >> That couldn't possibly be the invention which the writer was referencing. > > > >Why not? He was small; it was a time machine; "smalltime inventor". > > Give me a fucking break. Arm, or leg? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:18:13 EST From: DDerosa5@aol.com Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #449 In a message dated 12/2/99 5:30:57 AM Central Standard Time, owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org writes: << * First fifty itemized receipts listing maguro will be reimbursed for the total amount of the maguro purchase. Offer not valid outside the United States of America nor in states ending in vowels or touching an ocean nor in states containing a city named ${StateName} City. >> wow, I think we fegs are eligible here in Illinois. How much does maguro cost, and what is it? dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:20:00 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: The Philosophers' Stone, Ch. 2 "The gods," Misfragmutosiris said, "give their precious gifts to whomever they please. I was just like all other men, still young, but I did know a little about the mysteries of Egyptian philosophy. And my curiosity drove me to penetrate into the interior of the great pyramid at Memphis, whose age is a secret even to the Egyptians. There was a certain hieroglyphical inscription over the entrance to the first hall, which I had already discovered and written down, and after I took a great deal of trouble to guess its meaning, I surmised that this pyramid was the tomb of the great Hermes. I decided within the hour that I would dare to enter the place, which certainly no living mortal had ever visited before. Even today my audacity would be difficult for me to grasp if I were not convinced that this idea, which my own mind was not capable of producing, had been engendered in me by some higher power. In short, I climbed into the pyramid about midnight without any light, and completely placing myself in the hands of the whatever propelled me to undertake such a bold adventure. I went down a gentle slope for some time and without noticing it, began climbing upward again, when I suddenly caught sight of a bright light that hovered in front of me like a ball of pure solid fire." Here Misfragmutosiris paused for a moment, giving King Mark the opportunity to ask, "And you had the courage to follow this light?" He was sitting across from him in the position of a transfixed listener-his body slanted forwards, his feet stretched backward, both hands leaning on his knees-fearfull that he might loose a single word of the story, even though he was atremble about what might happen. Indeed, he held his breath and kept his eyes wide open as he listened. "I followed the light," the Egyptian continued, "and proceeded though a hallway that became lower and lower and narrower and narrower, until I came to a four-cornered room with walls of polished marble, and it had a door that led me to another hallway. After walking about fifty feet, I came to two paths. One seemed to lead up to a steep incline; the other, on my left, went straight ahead. I followed the ball of light straight in front of me until came to the edge of a deep well. Owing to the extreme brightness of the light, I became aware of a number of short iron rungs, about two feet apart, that stuck out on the wall from the top to the bottom. They formed a dangerous kind of ladder, which one could use in an emergency to climb down into the well. Without thinking too long, I began to undertake the dizzy descent, when suddenly the ball of light disappeared and left me in terrifying darkness. " I don't understand why my fright didn't cause me to fall into the abyss at this horrible moment. No matter; I collected myself and took even greater care as I continued to climb down. I held one hand on a rung over my head while I searched below for the next one with my other hand and feet. Eventually there were no more rungs, and I heard water rustling beneath me. At the same time, however, I became aware of an opening on the side that I had been climbing down, and from its came a faint glow. I jumped into this opening and landed on a steep path that led into an enormous cave of glimmering granite, which was illuminated by a huge carbuncle that was hanging from the ceiling. Imagine my astonishment as I found myself suddenly on the edge of a rippling stream that poured out of an opening over ragged rocks in this cave and made a terrible noise. It took me just a moment to think of what I had to do. I had already gone too far to turn back, and the secret spirit seemed to whisper to me that all these obstacles had been placed before me in order to test my courage, So, I took off all my clothes, tied them up in a bundle on top of my head, and I plunged into the stream. Shortly thereafter I was carried away by the power of the stream and propelled through a dark vault. Gradually I noticed that the water under me had become shallow. Soon the water disappeared altogether and left me sitting on some mossy ground in a large cave. Now I felt an extrodinairy heat, which dried me so quickly that I could have immediately dressed again to see where a rather narrow opening would lead me. There was a bright light coming from it, and as I approached the opening I heard a sizzling and crackling that appeared to come from a blazing fire. I crept into the opening, which eventually widened, and I found myself at the entrance of a wide arched room where I encountered another obstacle, more horrifying than all the previous ones." ______ Big time thanks go to Carissa for this. It's a German fairy tale from the 1700's. I'll post the whole thing on my website when she's done. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 16:55:34 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: Re: Heed this, Fegs! The Millennium is nigh! >Olivia Who Controls >the Tremors and the Lab of Stereo shall blow the distorted trumpets >of judgment, awakening the Six Elephants of the Apocalypse! speaking of those riders, i read that the essex green will be releasing an album on the elephant 6 label next week. anyone have any idea who these guys are? and while i'm at it, has anyone heard secret square (sort of the collective rhythm section) or clay bears? web info is scant. just how many of these albums have come out? >Oh, these will be days of wildness, >and the natural order will be inverted! and those of us stuck in the middle will stay put. and quail will revert from heretic to prophet or vice versa, depending on your dogma. >Awake my little brothers and sisters . . . awake. mr. mojo lizard king has left the building. ken "no millenial fear" the kenster np. black breasted foliage animation type music olivia tremor control ps. the bible is pornographic, or at least pretty twisted. i would venture to say that the cruelist practical joke of all time was played on abraham by god when he asked him to kill his son isaac. food for thought: http://residents.com/albums/wormwood.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:29:28 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #449 On Thu, 2 Dec 1999 DDerosa5@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/2/99 5:30:57 AM Central Standard Time, > owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org writes: > << * First fifty itemized receipts listing maguro will be reimbursed for > the total amount of the maguro purchase. Offer not valid outside the > United States of America nor in states ending in vowels or touching an > ocean nor in states containing a city named ${StateName} City. >> > wow, I think we fegs are eligible here in Illinois. How much does maguro cost, > and what is it? I'm afraid Sushi Wednesday has ended. Good luck next week. The rules will change. Maguro, specifically maguro nigiri sushi, varies from town to town, shop to shop, of course, but usually comes down to somewhere between one and two dollars per piece. It is a piece of carved, raw tuna flesh on a piece of rice. Sometimes the fish is attached to the rice with a small strip of nori, but this is rare. This is pink tuna from the body of the fish. Having fun pretending to be generous, J. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:10:27 -0800 (PST) From: Carole Reichstein Subject: Robyn's crack-cocaine cheeseRe: fegmaniax-digest V8 #449 What's up with this "Mimolette" cheese? Has anyone on the list ever tried it? Is it a limburger sort of thing, or just a triple-cream sorta cheese? Never heard of it myself, but then, Robyn probably knows much more about cheese than I do. St. Andre's about the richest kind I've tried. Carole, who wonders if Robyn has ever eaten cheese on Ritz crackers ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:05:45 +0100 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Cornwall > Does anyone know if there really is a place called Cornwall? no offence intended Carissa, but coffee came out of my nose when I read that. I suppose the equivalent would be someone in the UK asking "does Florida exist?". Cornwall is the south-westernmost county in England, covering about 1400 square miles (3600 sq km) with a population of about 500,000. Its flag is the St Piran's cross, a white cross centred on a black background with the same dimensions as the St George's cross of England. The county's main towns include Penzance, Falmouth, St Austell, Newquay, St Ives, Redruth, Truro, and Bodmin. Famous tourist spots include Land's End and St Michael's Mount. Like Florida, Cornwall is a long peninsula. Like Florida (or perhaps more readily analogously like Texas), the place is historically separate from much of the rest of England - it was a separate state until about 1100 and the prevalence of Celt in the make up of the place makes it more like Wales than England. It even has a separate language, Cornish, or Kernow, and although the number of speakers of it is very small, it and Cornish culture are both undergoing a revival. For this reason, placenames in the area tend to look very odd to English eyes - lots of 'z's and names of very obscure local saints. Cornwall has separatist tendencies (led by the Mebyon Kernow party), though not strong ones. It has rugged coastlines, many neolithic monuments, and vistas of stark beauty. Cornish surnames tend to start with Tre (Tregenza, for example), Pol (anyone remember the old TV series Poldark?), Pen (Pencarrow, for instance. The word penguin is possibly of Cornish origin), or Che (some of the longer-serving Fegs may remember Cheri Chenoweth - her ancestry is Cornish). They often end in -o or -ow as well. It was the first area of Britain to be famous for its industry, tin being mined in Cornwall before the birth of Christ (in fact there are rumours that as a young boy he may have travelled there with Joseph of Arimathea, who traded in metals). Many of the Pilgrim Fathers may have started their journey in Cornwall, as Plymouth, in Devon, lies not far from the Cornish border. The Duke of Cornwall is Charles, Prince of Wales. Thgis has been a community service provided by the New Zealand branch of smart gits anonymous:) Eddie - keep fighting the good fight, but peaceful protest is always best, where possible. Hope the effects of the tear-gas have worn off. You'll be pleased to hear that NZ has elected its first left-of-centre government in 9 years, a Labour-Alliance coalition led by Helen Clark. Ironically, our last Labour PM was Mike Moore. James (wondering if he's the only Feg to have actually met the current Director-General of the WTO). James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:51:27 -0800 (PST) From: Carole Reichstein Subject: The WTO, Eddie, and rubber bullets (sorry, no Robyn here) I attended the 50,000-strong labor march on Tuesday afternoon in Seattle. I didn't see the violence firsthand (it happened a couple blocks away from where we were, and my group took off after we had a whiff of the tear gas. For what it's worth, John Zerzan, a well-known anarchist from Eugene, claimed that his group of anarchists started breaking/graffitting/setting fires until *after* the cops started using tear gas on the peaceful protesters. However, I totally agree that lots of people rushed in when they heard that cops were getting aggressive. We saw a bunch of frat boy types running up 4th street, towards the melee, with a flag that had a beer stein on it. No, I'm NOT making this up! I looked for Eddie, but I didn't see him. We chatted with Michael ("Roger and Me" Moore though, who had a little entourage with him. When someone shouted "The police are using tear gas 2 blocks away!", Mr. Moore quipped, "Aww, the cops need to take a pee break!" I had a great time at the marches, especially since I didn't get shot in the ass. Are you recovering okay, Eddie? Carole ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #451 *******************************