From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #445 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, November 30 1999 Volume 08 : Number 445 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: A Can of Bees, liner notes... [Bayard ] Re: A Can of Bees, liner notes... [dmw ] Re: A Can of Bees, liner notes... [ultraconformist@ets.cncdsl.com] Re: A Can of Bees, liner notes... [ultraconformist@ets.cncdsl.com] Re: A Can of Bees, yadda yadda [Bayard ] Re: Black Snake Fake Media Role [Joel Mullins ] RE: A Can of Bees, yadda yadda ["Partridge, John" ] Re: Black Snake Fake Media Role [Paul Christian Glenn ] Re: Help! Throw me a name! [Michael Wolfe ] Re: Black Snake Fake Media Role [Ethyl Ketone ] Re: Garth Gaines [James Dignan ] Viva Viva Hendrix [Joel Mullins ] Re: Viva Viva Hendrix [Tom Clark ] Re: Viva Viva Hendrix [Tom Clark ] Drake [Joel Mullins ] Gainesburger with cheese... some asides... [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Speaking of books [steve ] Re: I am the waitress [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Help! Throw me a name! [matt sewell ] Re: Black Snake Fake Media Role [Terrence M Marks ] Re: Garth Gaines [Christopher Gross ] Re: Black Snake Fake Media Role [overbury@cn.ca] Re: Garth Gaines [overbury@cn.ca] Re: Black Snake Fake Media Role [normal@grove.ufl.edu] Re: Black Snake Fake Media Role [Fpaux@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:25:53 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: A Can of Bees, liner notes... > Is this too geeky of a question, that nobody wants to answer it, or should I have posted this question on the Garth Brooks site for a better response? Apologies, I was away in the mountains for the holiday weekend and didn't have a chance to get to it. I revel in robscura like this. A feg named Pam asked him once, and he admitted those notes are mostly apocryphal. Aidan Merritt reported a couple of them really were recorded, or at least performed. But I'd bet that the old versions of "lobsterman" and "SYTYiL" are far different from the versions that came out in '91. After all, doesn't he say "SYTYiL" was "too personal to record"? And the version we know is not too personal, it seems more universal, and does not even really sound like a Robyn song, as he said in Queenie's very good interview. =b "who the HELL is Garth Brooks?" the be-bopper ps. Hi JH3! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:27:02 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: A Can of Bees, liner notes... On Mon, 29 Nov 1999 Briannupp@aol.com wrote: > > Hey, whats up with the liner notes in the can of bees disc. Is Robyn just being silly, or did he really write "so you think your in love," and "lobster man" in the late seventies? I don't think I've heard any of the other songs mentioned, but I don't have it in front of me write now. Any insight on this one? By the way I just recently heard lobster man for the first time ( thanks Toby!) and I love it! The version I heard was a live acoustic version, is there a studio version available? > > Brian > > Is this too geeky of a question, that nobody wants to answer it, or should I have posted this question on the Garth Brooks site for a better response? > Brian i wondered the same thing when "so you think you're in love" was released. i don't know when those notes were written, but i read them before the us release of, um, perspex or whatever it was. i was hoping one of the old guard lurking about here might have an answer. "so you think" never struck me as very soft boys-y, certainly. perhaps he wrote two songs with the same title? - -- d. - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:34:18 -0600 From: ultraconformist@ets.cncdsl.com Subject: Re: A Can of Bees, liner notes... >Is this too geeky of a question, that nobody wants to answer it, or should >I have posted this question on the Garth Brooks site for a better response? I think it's more that this is an OLD question, and we're all too lazy to answer it again :). This should definitely go in the FAQ if someone's actually making one. I recall asking this myself 3 years ago, and someone was patient enough to answer it that time, so I guess this is my karmic debt: No, Robyn was being silly. Love on ya, Susan n.p. "Non-Stop Erotic Cabaret" for the first time in 15 years. Man, that Almond boy can sang! He good! But it's a bit quaint, overall. I can't believe I owned this when I was 13. Where were my parents? ;) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:49:19 -0600 From: ultraconformist@ets.cncdsl.com Subject: Re: A Can of Bees, liner notes... >apocryphal. Aidan Merritt reported a couple of them really were recorded, >or at least performed. But I'd bet that the old versions of "lobsterman" >and "SYTYiL" are far different from the versions that came out in '91. Hmmm.....I was under the impression that these notes were almost - -completely- silliness and that "So You Think You're in Love" was not even a flicker in Robyn's brain at that time. If that's not so, I stand corrected. But it's what I was told when I asked about this before, as I said. Love on ya, Susan P.S. Still thinking this Soft Cell album is kinda quaint. But I have to confess, "Sex Dwarf" cracks me up. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:49:53 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: A Can of Bees, yadda yadda > >apocryphal. Aidan Merritt reported a couple of them really were recorded, > >or at least performed. But I'd bet that the old versions of "lobsterman" > >and "SYTYiL" are far different from the versions that came out in '91. > > Hmmm.....I was under the impression that these notes were almost > -completely- silliness and that "So You Think You're in Love" was not even > a flicker in Robyn's brain Sorry, I meant to say, they are different IF they existed, which they almost certainly did not. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:11:56 -0800 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: Black Snake Fake Media Role Paul Christian Glenn wrote: > >The way I see it, this is no different than if 60 Minutes or Dateline > >ran a story about a fake Latin American dictator. > > Except that it concerns politics, and not *entertainment*. I'm not sure there's a very big difference between these two. > This is kinda silly. Why on earth should VH1 be prohibited from presenting a > tongue-in-cheek episode of one of their programs? They're not trying to deceive > anyone; nobody thinks that Chris Gaines is a real person. Sure, it's shameless > promotion, but since when has VH1 been above *that*? Hell, it's what the entire > network revolves around. VH1 is hardly reknowned for their "journalistic integrity" > or their professional objectivity. Okay, that's a good point. It's just that the previous episodes of Behind the Music seemed to be aimed at reporting a "news-worthy" story. The Chris Gaines episode did not. And incidentally, I'd be willing to bet that more than a few people think Chris Gaines is a real person. Joel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:23:41 -0800 From: "Partridge, John" Subject: RE: A Can of Bees, yadda yadda Me chiming in: I've always believed the liner notes were amusing stories, not earnest confabulations. Also, in several interviews Robyn's said that his songwriting process often, if not usually, starts with a song title and so writing new songs based on these (in my opinion) made up titles makes some sense. Me on another topic: I saw the Yellow Submarine DVD last night. Someone on the list said that they had redone the colors and cranked up the color intensity too far. It's certainly very intense but for the most part I like it; it's kinda trippy. Someone else said they had remixed or remastered the songs for the DVD and the CD. I thought the changes were pretty noticeable and I don't count myself an ultrahardcore Beatleist (UHCB). I am a big Beatles fan, however, and I'm glad to have another "view" of the same songs - the same reason for my liking the Beatles Anthology overkill. I really enjoyed the "design language" (as kids say these days) of the movie - highly stylized but very pretty. I'd seen the movie before and knew about the ending where J,P,G, and R (*always* in that order) are on camera for two minutes, but it was still a bit of a shock to see how they behaved. They were so jokey/ditzy/quippy/flitty. You could just *feel* Capitol Records just out of range and Brian Epstein telling them to keep it light and not do or say anything too discomfiting or threatening. It just pained me to see how much corporate bullshit they were clearly enduring on a day to day basis. No band of comparable success would tolerate it today. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bayard [mailto:walden@eclipse.net] > Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 2:50 PM > Cc: fegmaniax@smoe.org > Subject: Re: A Can of Bees, yadda yadda > > > > > >apocryphal. Aidan Merritt reported a couple of them > really were recorded, > > >or at least performed. But I'd bet that the old versions > of "lobsterman" > > >and "SYTYiL" are far different from the versions that came > out in '91. > > > > Hmmm.....I was under the impression that these notes were almost > > -completely- silliness and that "So You Think You're in > Love" was not even > > a flicker in Robyn's brain > > Sorry, I meant to say, they are different IF they existed, which they > almost certainly did not. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:27:7 -0600 From: Paul Christian Glenn Subject: Re: Black Snake Fake Media Role Fanning the flames of desire, sultry Joel whispered: >> Except that it concerns politics, and not *entertainment*. > >I'm not sure there's a very big difference between these two. ;) Sadly enough, you may be right. >> This is kinda silly. Why on earth should VH1 be prohibited from presenting a >> tongue-in-cheek episode of one of their programs? They're not trying to deceive >> anyone; nobody thinks that Chris Gaines is a real person. Sure, it's shameless >> promotion, but since when has VH1 been above *that*? Hell, it's what the entire >> network revolves around. VH1 is hardly reknowned for their "journalistic integrity" >> or their professional objectivity. > >Okay, that's a good point. It's just that the previous episodes of >Behind the Music seemed to be aimed at reporting a "news-worthy" story. I don't know if the stories are news-worthy in an honest sense, but I'm a BTM junkie, so my opinions don't really count. :) >The Chris Gaines episode did not. And incidentally, I'd be willing to >bet that more than a few people think Chris Gaines is a real person. Heh. Again, sadly enough... Paul Christian Glenn trance@radiks.net Eon Chamber Online: http://eonchamber.virtualave.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:33:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Wolfe Subject: Re: Help! Throw me a name! Eb wanked: >Today's "Wheel of Fortune" puzzle: P--pl- -n gl-ss h--s-s >sh--ldn't w--r st--pl-ss d--ss-s. Wait, I know! The missing letters are: i,m,m,a,t,u,r,e,a,s,s,h,o,l,e What do I win? - -Michael Wolfe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:31:41 -0500 From: Ethyl Ketone Subject: Re: Black Snake Fake Media Role At 12:38 PM -0600 11/29/99, JH3 wrote: ... but I'm just feeling all sour-grapes because XTC >has done this sort of thing at least twice and has never been the >subject of massive media hype over it. (And don't forget Maureen >and the Meatpackers. And yes, I know that's not the same thing >either.) I have this album floating around somewhere (in storage right now) that somehow came to me sometime in the mid-70s, probably around 72 or so. It's by a band called "The Masked Marauders" and professes to be such a glittering collection of famous folks in the studio who just wanted to *jam* and not get paid that they (the liner notes) don't dare mention the names. But it hints at Dylan and his contemporaries mostly. I've always wondered. Not that it's another personality (hey, I have 3 pseudonyms active) but that it's another band personality. And, to my completely untrained, non critic, not-in-this-lifetime-a-musician ear, fairly credible. Of course it's probably all fake. Anyway, I wouldn't know Garth or Chris if I tripped over them and being a non-broadcast television person, I don't know any of the rest of the argument. But I thought Ziggy was cool and never forgot it was Bowie. What happens to all those people who meet an actor and think they are really like some character they played in a film??? Caveat emptor I should think. And then there was Kilgore Trout and "Venus on the Halfshell". Was that marketing??? - - carrie "Questions are a burden for others. Answers are a prison for oneself." **************************************************************************** M.E.Ketone/C.Galbraith meketone@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:40:38 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Garth Gaines >Oh fer chrissakes, you guys whine too much. I mean, the guy even called an >effin PRESS CONFERENCE to announce Chris Gaines. He's been on Today Show >and Leno to talk about it and perform Chris Gaines songs. There've been >stories in several music mags and in the New York Times. Honestly, how many >people DON'T know already? They must live in Bora Bora or something. not necessarily Bora Bora. Dunedin will do nicely. Other than through Fegmaniax!, I've never heard of Chris Gaines. >Was Ziggy Stardust stupid? Discuss. > >No, I'm not comparing Bowie and Garth Brooks, before anyone starts yelling. >But it IS similar. lessee... We can also discuss the Dukes of Stratosfear (and Terry & the Lovemen), while we're at it, and Fake, the anonymous Australian band later found to be based around Steve Kilbey from the Church (was that you groaning, Eb?), I suppose we could also mention Cliff Richard, who, ISTR released a single with a DJ in the UK under an assumed name and then watched gleefully as it climbed charts and got radio airplay from stations that would not have touched 'the new Cliff Richard single' with a 10-foot baguette. As for adopting different personae on stage, as has been mentioned about Alice Cooper/Vincent Furnier, I seriously doubt that Arthur Brown was quite that demented off-stage. You could even tenuously make a case for Billy Shears and SPLHCB being an alternative persona adopted by the Beatles for one album and for the Yellow Submarine movie. Hell, it happens in other fields, too. Iain Banks writes science fiction. Iain M. Banks (the same person using a cunning pseudonym) does not. Ellis Peters and Edith Parmenter both write novels. John Wyndham used various permutations of his full name (Beynon Harris, for example) for different writing styles. And Lionel Robert Fanthorpe wrote crap under various semi-anagrammatical forms of his name (Pel Torro, Trebor Thorpe and about 75 others). Use of multiple personae/names isn't new. But it is unusual in C&W. And the doco thing is vaguely new, although again, the Beatles comparison is mentionable. And weren't Viv Stanshall, Neil Innes and other Bonzo-related people involved in the Rutles? Or is that different because it was obvious it was a fake documentary from the start? >AFAIK Bowie has the distinction of being the first (primarily) straight >queen in rock Don't the Davies brothers, Ray and Dave, predate him a bit on this? James (who, with a couple of friends a few years ago, created an obviously fake/spoof band. One day, I hope to have a web-page dedicated to Albumen - Albuquerque's finest psychedelic-acid-rockabilly band - up and running...) James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:38:04 -0800 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Viva Viva Hendrix This may be a really stupid question, but what does Jimi Hendrix have to do with Seattle? Joel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:02:12 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Viva Viva Hendrix On 11/29/99 9:38 PM, Joel Mullins wrote: >This may be a really stupid question, but what does Jimi Hendrix have to >do with Seattle? That's where he's from. Apparently there's a statue of him there as well. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:09:38 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Viva Viva Hendrix On 11/29/99 8:02 PM, Tom Clark wrote: >>This may be a really stupid question, but what does Jimi Hendrix have to >>do with Seattle? > >That's where he's from. Apparently there's a statue of him there as well. Oh Shit - I meant to say that's where he WAS from. I wouldn't want Russ to think he was still alive or anything... - -smartass ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:11:44 -0800 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Drake Does anyone know anything about a book being published next month called The Man in the White Suit, by Nick Drake? Amazon.com has it listed. Is this a different Nick Drake? Joel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:46:58 -0800 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Gainesburger with cheese... some asides... I'm not much of a pop consumer. I don't go out of my way to spend time with the works of Garth Brooks. Of course the genre is not a favorite of mine- I think I even prefer old country to much of the newer stuff, but I'm not wild about that either. That said, here's my take: Garth, go out there and get every ya-ya you can. If there is any way to say anything that you want to that doesn't cause a murder or worse, do it. I believe in doing stupid things. It is really good for the soul to do stupid things. I hope that he can throw himself at it and at least have a good time. Maybe find a new quality in himself or bring something to the role. Life is way too short to spend trying to draw between the lines. aside 1: Jeopardy trivia band name aliases: Reuben and the Jets Sad Clowns Hint: these are 2 of my favorite bands. The first is perhaps the easiest question ever asked in these parts since Professor Fane, dazedly returned to his feet after butting heads with a cornerback on a blitz uttered the immortal: "What is Robyn Hitchcock's first name?" The second is slightly more difficult but is still almost a gimme. aside 2: Modern Lizard Quartet is one of my favorite band names. Great job, Terry! I wonder what they sound like.... Is it something like a fusion of everything we love about Yes and the Monkeys? aside 3: The illusive sharkboy is the one who volunteered for the duty of fegfaq. I know I have it started here somewhere, but I fear that it is hiding under a really fat blob of data which obscures it from view. I'm sorry if I'm getting too geeky in terms of my overuse of technical explanations. I will dig it out and continue soon. Suffice to say that fegfaq will not be about specific people and our specific personalities, no matter how many any of us may posess- more about this being an amorphous entity with a life of its own. Basically, that "fegmaniax" is about us, the people who read and write this stuff here than about the man whose music apparently brought us together.... FYI Dept: I will be happy to _avoid_ writing Ebfaq, Quailfaq, Terryfaq, and Joelfaq unless research grants are lucretive and plentiful. I will be relieved if Natalie would handle the placentafaq without my assistance. Jeme, who do you think should do crabfaq? Michael and Bayard could fight to the death over nice, but single male fegfaq. aside 4: I wonder how long the 49ers have been a really crappy team, but Steve Young (and Garrison Hearst) managed to hide it. This was not a good week footballwise (George H. Bush must have used this word before) for me and Glen, but for reasons of different colors. Happies to all. - -Markg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 01:39:06 -0600 From: steve Subject: Speaking of books Mick Farren has a new one out called The Adventures Of Jim Morrison In The Afterlife. And there's a new edition of Jack Williamson's very cool Darker Than You Think - it would make a great movie in the right hands. Finally, there's Unknown Pleasures: A Cultural Biography Of Roxy Music by Paul Stump. - - Steve _______________ We're all Jesus, Buddha, and the Wizard of Oz! - Andy Partridge ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:18:22 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: I am the waitress On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, James Dignan wrote: > And the doco thing is vaguely new, although again, the Beatles comparison > is mentionable. And weren't Viv Stanshall, Neil Innes and other > Bonzo-related people involved in the Rutles? Or is that different because > it was obvious it was a fake documentary from the start? Not Stanshall or any other Bonzo except Innes. Neil Innes and Eric Idle were the main protagonists; the Rutles first appeared on their TV show 'Rutland Weekend TV' (of which I have the LP, incidentally). Paul Simon, George Harrison and Mick Jagger made guest appearances as friends of the Rutles, IIRC. Ricky Fataar of the Beach Boys was the 'George' guitarist and I can't remember who played the drummer Barry Wom. Did anyone hear the non-Idle follow-up record? Was it any good? - - Mike "Re-form Soft White Underbelly NOW!" Godwin PS I saw Marc Almond once in about 1986. Great show, great performer, but didn't always sing in tune. He was on Jools Holland fairly recently doing 'Say hallo wave goodbye' and it was simply fabuloso, Mr Horne. PPS I haven't seen that cool barmitzvah photo of Reuben Sano for some time - must have dropped it in the Fountain of Love after getting some Cheap Thrills in the back of my car ... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:48:25 +0000 (GMT) From: matt sewell Subject: Re: Help! Throw me a name! >Eb wanked: > >Today's "Wheel of Fortune" puzzle: P--pl- -n gl-ss h--s-s > >sh--ldn't w--r st--pl-ss d--ss-s. > >Wait, I know! The missing letters are: >i,m,m,a,t,u,r,e,a,s,s,h,o,l,e > >What do I win? > A saucer of milk? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:54:59 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: Black Snake Fake Media Role On Mon, 29 Nov 1999, Ethyl Ketone wrote: > I have this album floating around somewhere (in storage right now) that > somehow came to me sometime in the mid-70s, probably around 72 or so. It's > by a band called "The Masked Marauders" and professes to be such a There was also The Moles (the original Moles, not Richard Davies' Moles [and that's Richard Davies from Cardinal, not Richard Davies from Supertramp]), who were Simon Dupree & the Big Sound (who later became Gentle Giant). They released "We are the Moles" and were rumored to be The Beatles in disguise, I think. > And then there was Kilgore Trout and "Venus on the Halfshell". Was that > marketing??? I read that...it was written by some other sci-fi type to annoy Vonnegut. Hideous, hideous book. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:31:27 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Garth Gaines On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, James Dignan wrote: > Ellis > Peters and Edith Parmenter both write novels. I'm afraid that should be "Pargeter," and even worse, it should be "wrote;" she died in 1995. (By the way, EP got extra cool points for being fluent in Czech. Among other things she translated Hrabal's _Closely Watched Trains_ into English and various English classics into Czech.) As for band names, Come considered calling themselves the Marshall Fucker Band instead. I always found that amusing. - --Chris (the overfed) ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:19:49 -0500 From: overbury@cn.ca Subject: Re: Black Snake Fake Media Role Carrie said: > I have this album floating around somewhere (in storage right now) that > somehow came to me sometime in the mid-70s, probably around 72 or so. It's > by a band called "The Masked Marauders" and professes to be such a > glittering collection of famous folks in the studio who just wanted to > *jam* and not get paid that they (the liner notes) don't dare mention the > names. But it hints at Dylan and his contemporaries mostly. I've always > wondered. Not that it's another personality (hey, I have 3 pseudonyms > active) but that it's another band personality. > > And, to my completely untrained, non critic, > not-in-this-lifetime-a-musician ear, fairly credible. > > Of course it's probably all fake. I started to write what I could remember of the story of the Marauders, then ended up doing a quick web search to check out my memory. I found the two bits included below. Who needs a memory? The Marauders lp is pretty bad, which is what I'd expect if you got the Beatles, Stones and Dylan in a room for a couple of days. If you've heard that Morrison bootleg with FHITA (supposedly with Lennon or others, depending on who you ask) you know what I mean. =================== > Back in the late sixties - early seventies Rolling Stone published a bogus > review of an album titled "The Masked Marauders." The review appeared October 18, 1969, along with a review of another "supersession" album by a band called "Merryweather". The review was written by "T.M. Christian" (actually Greil Marcus). The album was supposedly produced by Al Kooper. > The record allegedly > contained the fruits of a supersession recorded in Canada "in a small town near the site of the original Hudson Bay Colony in Canada" > with Mick Jagger > John Lennon, Paul McCartney, Bob Dylan, and others. The review was penned > y. According to the review, the album featured McCartney singing "Mammy", Dylan imitating early Donovan, and Jagger singing "I Can't Get No Nookie". > Although the review was fiction SOMEONE went ahead and recorded a single > album of some of the songs listed in the review. They even carried it out > to the extent of mimicking Jagger's and Dylan's vocal styles. Greil Marcus and Langdon Winner recruited some other Berkeley musicians and recorded it in a garage studio. Then they took it to KMPX-FM and had it played. Motown supposedly offered $100,000 for the tape, but the "Marauders" cut a deal for $15,000 with Warner Brothers. > The album > ended with a joke monologue revealing the scam. A classic. Supposedly, Jann Wenner eventually got tired of the scam, and *Rolling Stone* exposed it themselves. My source for all this is Robert Draper's *Rolling Stone Magazine: The Uncensored History*. The discussion of the Masked Marauders appears at the very end of Chapter 5 (pages 116-118 in the HarperPerennial paperback). ================= The Cleanliness and Godliness Skiffle Band Personnel: ANNE JOHNSTON vcls, gtr, mandn, woodblocks A B C HANK BRADLEY vcls, mandn, fiddle C PHIL MARSH vcls, gtr A B C BRIAN VOORHEES vcls, gtr, hmnca C RICHARD SAUNDERS bs A B C (CHICKEN HIRSCH drms A) ALBUMS: 1.(A) THE CLEANLINESS AND GODLINESS SKIFFLE BAND'S GREATEST HITS (Vanguard VSD 79285) 1968 2.() MASKED MARAUDERS (Reprise 6378) 1969 45: 1.I Can't Get No Nookie/Cow Pie (Deity 0870) 1969 NB: (1) as The Masked Marauders. An 'acid' influenced skiffle band, their album though weak technically, is good fun if you can obtain a copy. Their second album, under the pseudonym, The Masked Marauders, was an attempted imitation of Dylan, Lennon-McCanney, Harrison and Jagger. They were based in San Francisco. NB. Hirsch, Johnston and Marsh all played at various times with Country Joe (McDonald). - -- Ross Overbury - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:31:47 -0500 From: overbury@cn.ca Subject: Re: Garth Gaines James said: > lessee... We can also discuss the Dukes of Stratosfear (and Terry & the > Lovemen), while we're at it, What about Terry and the Lovemen? - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:47:57 -0500 (EST) From: normal@grove.ufl.edu Subject: Re: Black Snake Fake Media Role I can't believe I forgot one of the earliest. Yma Sumac, the Incan princess with the unearthly voice, was a big exotica hit in the early 50s. Her singing was backed by Inca-influenced orchestral, and she appeared in costume, at least on album covers. There were persistant rumors that she was really a housewife named Amy Camus. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:47:53 EST From: Fpaux@aol.com Subject: Re: Black Snake Fake Media Role <> You got me to dig out the album. From the back cover, here's an interesting story about one of the songs (which does sound like Jagger), and the final paragraph, which seems appropriate for this thread. "There is an unforgettable story behind each song on this epoch-making album. "I Can't Get No Nookie, " for example was recorded at 4:00 in the morning after an all night party on the tundra with the local Eskimos. "Boy those Eskimo women sure are something," the lead guitarist said to me as he shook snow from his parka He was right. The title of the song actually refers to one of them- "Nookie", the lovely girl friend of Nanook of the North who attended the sessions. Rumors that the title and lyrics contain an obscene reference are nothing more than a vile ethnic slur cooked up by some demented mind. " Leading experts now estimate that the music business is currently 90% hype and 10% bullshit. The Masked Marauders, bless their hearts, have gone far beyond that. Their music needs no hype. It transcends the very essence of the bullshit for which the public pays millions each year. Do not be fooled by gossip and idle rumors. In a world of sham, The Masked Marauders are truly the genuine article."-T.M. Christian ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #445 *******************************