From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #444 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, November 29 1999 Volume 08 : Number 444 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Chris Gaines [ultraconformist@ets.cncdsl.com] Re: Chris Gaines [steve ] Re: Chris Gaines [Joel Mullins ] Re: Chris Gaines [ultraconformist@ets.cncdsl.com] Re: Chris Gaines [Eleanore Adams ] Re: Chris Gaines [ultraconformist@ets.cncdsl.com] Re: Chris Gaines (This One's For Eb) [Brett Cooper ] Re: Help! Throw me a name! was the "Terry Marks Experience!" [Tom Clark <] Traveling without a tour to follow... [Ethyl Ketone ] Re: anyone know anything about MEXICO? [ultraconformist@ets.cncdsl.com] Re: anyone know anything about MEXICO? [Capuchin ] Black Snake Fake Media Role ["JH3" ] Re: Black Snake Fake Media Role [ultraconformist@ets.cncdsl.com] Re: Black Snake Fake Media Role [ultraconformist@ets.cncdsl.com] Re: Black Snake Fake Media Role [Joel Mullins ] Re: A Can of Bees, liner notes... [Briannupp@aol.com] Re: Black Snake Fake Media Role [Paul Christian Glenn ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 16:30:03 -0600 From: ultraconformist@ets.cncdsl.com Subject: Re: Chris Gaines Big pile of mail in here. Cripes you people are prolific. I am just returned from Texas, where I received distressing news that the books I had thought safe in storage were all gone, kaput, lost. My grandmother brought me three that she had taken herself as home decor (!) a few years ago (as if anyone in their right mind would actually believe my grandmother, who can't even get through "Cher's Makeup Secrets", reads Milan Kundera). She seemed to think this all a great amusing joke. To me it was a bit like: "oh, by the way, your best friend has been blown to bits, I thought I would give you his finger, isn't it a hoot?". I also found that my records were in a distressing state (spose I should have been grateful they were there at all), having been shoved onto various shelves in -piles-, if you believe it. I straightened them all up and chose a few of the rarer and valuable ones to take back with me in case further mishap occurs before the rest are shipped here. I would be unhappy if anything happens to the others, to be sure, but after all that's happened I feel better about the Bowie "Portrait of a Star" boxed set (this was on the bottom of a vertical pile!) and the mono "Revolver" being back in my own care. Moral- do not trust your parents with your records. On a more positive note- I saw Charlie Pride in a Mexican restaurant. I took a couple walks to the bathroom in order to get a good look at him without appearing to stare, but now that I think of it, this was probably almost as conspicuous. Still- Charlie Pride. Cool eh? >Evil is a real person. But if I hadn't already heard the Chris Gaines >name, then I would have thought this "documentary" was real. Oh fer chrissakes, you guys whine too much. I mean, the guy even called an effin PRESS CONFERENCE to announce Chris Gaines. He's been on Today Show and Leno to talk about it and perform Chris Gaines songs. There've been stories in several music mags and in the New York Times. Honestly, how many people DON'T know already? They must live in Bora Bora or something. >But this Chris Gaines thing isn't funny. And I can't imagine that it >would make a person want to buy a Garth Brooks album. It's not wrong. >It's just stupid. Was Ziggy Stardust stupid? Discuss. No, I'm not comparing Bowie and Garth Brooks, before anyone starts yelling. But it IS similar. He gets props from me for doing it actually- mainstream country music is so horribly hidebound by tradition, it's a fairly original thing for a guy like him to try. He may be doing it awkwardly, but hey, he is the world's most boring man, his first baby steps at being interesting are going to be somewhat awkward. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 17:07:12 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: Chris Gaines ultraconformist@ets.cncdsl.com: >No, I'm not comparing Bowie and Garth Brooks, before anyone starts yelling. >But it IS similar. He gets props from me for doing it actually- mainstream >country music is so horribly hidebound by tradition, it's a fairly original >thing for a guy like him to try. He may be doing it awkwardly, but hey, he >is the world's most boring man, his first baby steps at being interesting >are going to be somewhat awkward. But the "song" that I've heard - the one that they play during the pre-movie torture music - is just soooo awful. It makes me feel bad for Garth. For his sake, I hope the rest of the album is better. - - Steve _______________ We're all Jesus, Buddha, and the Wizard of Oz! - Andy Partridge ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 17:29:09 -0800 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: Chris Gaines ultraconformist@ets.cncdsl.com wrote: > Was Ziggy Stardust stupid? Discuss. No, but that was totally different. Joel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 18:38:53 -0600 From: ultraconformist@ets.cncdsl.com Subject: Re: Chris Gaines >ultraconformist@ets.cncdsl.com wrote: > >> Was Ziggy Stardust stupid? Discuss. > >No, but that was totally different. How? Essentially speaking, that is. Now, to be sure Garth does not have the flair or innate theatrical intelligence of someone like David Bowie (few do, IMHO). He also does not have the wit or the originality. So naturally, in Bowie's hands the - -execution- of this kind of idea was far more elegant and skilful. I mean, duh. My point was tho, that the -idea- is pretty similar. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that that's probably where he got it. Apparently I'm the only person who thinks this is mighty interesting. Actually I think it would have been way cooler if he'd never had the press conference and never done any interviews or appearances about it, and Chris Gaines had just appeared one day. What a hoot -that- woulda been! That would have elevated it from an interesting stunt to something kinda brilliant. I'd even go see Chris Gaines. Even tho what I've heard of the album so bad as to be almost laughable. That isn't the point for me. For me this is really about theater. I'd only wanna go if he tours -as Chris-, does only - -Chris- songs, and stays completely in role. I don't think he'll quite have the guts to try it, but you never know. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 16:51:20 +0800 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: Chris Gaines Um, I can't speak for david Bowie, but I know from reading Peopel Mag and the like, that Chris Gains was not an original idea by Garth. Garth didn't even want to play the caracter, but after the record company tried a bunch of other musicians and cam eup with 0 garth agreed to do it. Completely manufactured by group executive thinking for a movie about a alternative mucisian. The original idea was for a movie, and when Garth agreed to do the character, he got on it right away from his end of it. I don't know if the movie ever got into production - the plan was to do thje album and tour first. what you learn at the grocery checkout line.... eleanore ultraconformist@ets.cncdsl.com wrote: > >ultraconformist@ets.cncdsl.com wrote: > > > >> Was Ziggy Stardust stupid? Discuss. > > > >No, but that was totally different. > > How? Essentially speaking, that is. > > Now, to be sure Garth does not have the flair or innate theatrical > intelligence of someone like David Bowie (few do, IMHO). He also does not > have the wit or the originality. So naturally, in Bowie's hands the > -execution- of this kind of idea was far more elegant and skilful. I mean, > duh. > > My point was tho, that the -idea- is pretty similar. In fact, I'd go so far > as to say that that's probably where he got it. > > Apparently I'm the only person who thinks this is mighty interesting. > Actually I think it would have been way cooler if he'd never had the press > conference and never done any interviews or appearances about it, and Chris > Gaines had just appeared one day. What a hoot -that- woulda been! That > would have elevated it from an interesting stunt to something kinda > brilliant. > > > Love on ya, > Susan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:37:08 -0600 From: ultraconformist@ets.cncdsl.com Subject: Re: Chris Gaines >Um, I can't speak for david Bowie, but I know from reading Peopel Mag and the >like, that Chris Gains was not an original idea by Garth. Garth didn't even >want to play the caracter, I knew that it had not been his idea originally, but my impression was that he jumped into it with a will. This changes things summat. What I thought was a sign of him actually making an effort to be interesting or perhaps having a very public crackup appears to be in fact just a record company lackey doing a job he dislikes in a thorough manner. And this also probably means I will never see a tour by Chris. Bummer. OK, Jane Austen fans be forewarned..... I saw "Mansfield Park" yesterday too. For all that it was touted as being this new, challenging interpretation of Austen I thought it was actually kind of boring. Partly it was that this thing is full of pretentious, half-baked symbolism (was the slave thing really necessary?) tacked on by the screenwriter/director. Not that this is in the abstract, a bad thing- when it works. When it doesn't work, it's distracting and slows the thing down, and if there's one thing Jane Austen does not need, it's a slower pace. One thing I DO like about Austen is her precise pacing. But I've always had a complaint about her, one that makes film adaptations and the books alike a bit of a drag (for this individdle)- I get impatient with Austen characters. Why can't they just talk to each other? I watch these things, and it's just so obvious that Fanny loves Edmund, and Edmund loves Fanny (or that Eliza loves Darcy and Darcy loves Eliza), and the Crawfords (or Wickham) are charming but ultimately slimy. I mean, I'm sure I'm not the only person who can see this coming from a country mile. It's really annoying to me that it takes so long for these otherwise observant, intelligent characters to figure everything out. I'm told that's one of her charms, but it's kinda lost on me. I just sit there like "why are these people being so dense? can't they get on with it already?". There's only so much significant glancing and highly symbolic dropping of visiting cards this reader can take before becoming slightly exasperated. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 17:36:45 -0900 From: Brett Cooper Subject: Re: Chris Gaines (This One's For Eb) on 11/28/99 3:38 PM, ultraconformist@ets.cncdsl.com at ultraconformist@ets.cncdsl.com wrote: >> ultraconformist@ets.cncdsl.com wrote: >> >>> Was Ziggy Stardust stupid? Discuss. >> >> No, but that was totally different. > > How? Essentially speaking, that is. > > Now, to be sure Garth does not have the flair or innate theatrical > intelligence of someone like David Bowie (few do, IMHO). He also does not > have the wit or the originality. So naturally, in Bowie's hands the > -execution- of this kind of idea was far more elegant and skilful. I mean, > duh. Let us also not forget who predated Bowie and who is undeniably one of the most infamous "characters" of rock and rock theatrics, Alice Cooper. It's common knowledge that Vincent Furnier basically plays the role when onstage. Brett *********************************************** Cooper Collections http://home.gci.net/~coopercollections ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:32:31 +0100 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Band names, country matters, and a walrus (apropos of nothing) >here's the deal: one of the landmark indecency cases involves a George >Carlin monologue. that monologue was found to be indecent but not obscene, >and the supreme court asserted that right of the FCC to restrict (but not >ban) indecent material. at the moment, indecent material cannot be played >on the radio between 6am and 10pm. isn't it a pity that people tend to spell out the letters when they say that out loud, rather than use FCC as a true acronym? :) >1. (Hed)Pe 2. Aviso'Hara 3. Tristan Psionic 4. Wuhling 5. Mr. Gloria's >Head 6. Lee Harvey Oswald Band 7. Lizard Music 8. My Friend Steve 9. >Atomic Bitchwax 10. Blue Flannel > >And...the friend's opinion on the same subject: > >1. Jimmy Eat World 2. The Mommyheads 3. Jack Off Jill 4. Mr. Gloria's >Head 5. Angry Salad 6. 764-HERO 7. Man or Astro-man? 8. When People >Were Shorter and Lived Near the Water 9. The Skeletones 10. Toenut Sharon Stoned get a mention anywhere in this? FWIW I once shared band practice rooms with a band called Jim's Live Deer Recovery. My band of the time went through brief periods as Inflatable Man Sketch, Ron, and Happy Plastic before settling on The Kaftans (no, not Kaftanland!). I've had occasional recourse to a hypercard word randomiser. I've nudged the settings in two directions, one for band/album names, and one for 'Goreyisms' - potential titles for Edward Gorey stories. Let me nudge a couple of buttons here: Bands (first five produced) - Smear and Smell; Screech; Tractor My Tractor; Elephantiasis; Rhombus Delight. (not too good, but you can 50+ names per minute and one of them is bound to be reasonable) Goreyisms (first five produced): The reluctant walrus [1]; The oblong tree; The podiatrist's outrage; The waiting albatross; The conspicuous gravy. >Oh, uh, sure. It was actually in my appointment book. "November 28, >1999: Say 'twat' on radio show." I have said "prick" and "asshole" on >my show, and played a few "forbidden words" by accident, though I have >never actually uttered said words myself. Although a certain guest on my >show did so, despite being told not to. dunno what the rules are in the states, but here you can use the words on air in pre-recorded material (like CDs) but not on material presented live or presented especially for the station (such as interviews). There are very few words which are banned, though, and the 'f' word comes up more than occasionally on TV after the 9pm 'watershed'. Don't think I've heard the erm, quintessential c-word on TV though. Never understood why it was such a no-=no, either. I go away for three days and the discussion moves south of the waistband and into yonic territory, and north to the mammalian regions. Oy. James (refreshed from a couple of days starting at big white things (like Mount Cook) [1] the definitive answer on all this 'was the walrus Paul or John?' business. Recent photos clearly show that the walrus is David Crosby. James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:38:18 -0600 From: tanter Subject: Chris Gaines Garth Brooks was a good sport on SNL--they made fun of Gaines as much as they could and he went along with it, although none of it was cruel, it was funny. Marcy L. Tanter Assistant Professor of English Tarleton State University Stephenville, TX 76401 254-968-9892 (9039 to leave a message) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:35:54 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Help! Throw me a name! was the "Terry Marks Experience!" On 11/25/99 11:25 PM, Chris! wrote: >Perhaps the most inspired of the found bands names was a Portland band >in the early 90s that took its name after a truck repair shop. The >owner was latino, but that did not matter much in the end. The name of >the shop and band: Jesus Truck Repair. Reminds me of the place around the corner from The Paradise in Boston (where I first saw RH): "Ellis The Rim Man". I think that would be a cool band name. Hi Jeme, Viv, & Carole! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:48:17 -0500 From: Ethyl Ketone Subject: Traveling without a tour to follow... Greetings fellow fegs (this applies mostly to those in the US), It is now certain I will be crossing the states in both December and January by car. While it seems I must be out of my mnd, I am committed to the journey (and will possibly be committed after the journey). Will have a Brit and an Irishwoman with me. Due to timing in December, it looks like we will only be able to take our time in January and stick to the southern route - Intestate 10 - the "Roswell, Alamo, Rothko" route as we are calling it. From LaLa land to Philadelphia via the south until we get to around New Orleans when we will cut north. It would be lovely to supplement the "performance" with visits with fegs and the ensuing photo ops for Nicks page. since we are going to document the trip, possibly to digital video, we will be ready with all things photographic for anyone who wants to join us in any of those states with 10 running through them. I am thining of our LA and Tejas fegs in particular... Building a route itinerary, required reading and viewing list now so any suggestions would be appreciated. E-mail me off list to let me know where you are located (if along that route) or with any recommendations of things to not miss on the journey (or things to definately avoid). We may end up on 40 west in December. Yawn. But at least that means we'll go by Cadillac Ranch! Of course all of this depends on whether there is a January 2000... Be Seeing You, - - carrie "put the pedal to the metal" g. ps: Bay Area fegs - post Y2K gatheing somewhere in the bay area? "Questions are a burden for others. Answers are a prison for oneself." **************************************************************************** M.E.Ketone/C.Galbraith meketone@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:59:00 -0500 From: lj lindhurst Subject: anyone know anything about MEXICO? Well, TGQ and I had a hellatious holiday traveling experience when we got BUMPED from our crying-baby-and-cranky-fatassed-slow-walkin-Midwesterner-filled-flight yesterday (as far as I can tell, you will NEVER get bumped from your flight if you have a screaming baby or an extremely large ass)...but the upswing was that we got lunch for free at Burger King, and we also received 2 free round-trip tickets to anywhere TWA flies. We've been thinking about going down to Mexico to see some ruins. We're not much on the beach scene (our combined pale skins in the sunlight might cause severe retinal damage for miles around), but we would like to get in some "culture". We're interested in: a.) really old stuff, like ruins and such b.) places where lots of people have been killed c.) satanic slaying sites d.) old-fashioned whorehouses with player pianos and Miss Kittys ...having never visited this particular third world country before, does anyone have any suggestions? lj * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * LJ Lindhurst White Rabbit Graphic Design http://www.w-rabbit.com NYC ljl@w-rabbit.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "Every head is a head and there is no head which is not suitable for any creature." --Amos Tutuola ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:35:28 -0600 From: ultraconformist@ets.cncdsl.com Subject: Re: anyone know anything about MEXICO? >like to get in some "culture". We're interested in: >a.) really old stuff, like ruins and such >b.) places where lots of people have been killed >c.) satanic slaying sites >d.) old-fashioned whorehouses with player pianos and Miss Kittys > >...having never visited this particular third world country before, >does anyone have any suggestions? I can't help with the whorehouses, as I was quite young each time I visited (or, rather, was taken to) Mexico and thus unable to get in. Ruins and places where people got killed, I can help a bit, as I did see some of those. You definitely want to see......deep breath as I try to spell this....Chichen Itza? It fits on both counts, as it was a ruin of a Mayan town, where sacrifices took place. The main thing tho, is that there's a magnificent pyramid. There's another ruin site called Tulum in the same general area (Cancun). It's not quite as spectacular as Chichen Itza, but worth seeing. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:19:21 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: anyone know anything about MEXICO? On Mon, 29 Nov 1999, lj lindhurst wrote: > ...but the upswing was that we got lunch for free at Burger King, > and we also received 2 free round-trip tickets to anywhere TWA > flies. and > We've been thinking about going down to Mexico to see some ruins. Um... TWA flies to Cairo and Riyadh and you want to go to Mexico? I guess I should expect this from folks who took their free lunch at Burger King. And what's wrong with Portland, anyway? Je. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:38:24 -0600 From: "JH3" Subject: Black Snake Fake Media Role LJ writes: >We're interested in: >a.) really old stuff, like ruins and such >b.) places where lots of people have been killed >c.) satanic slaying sites >d.) old-fashioned whorehouses with player pianos and Miss Kittys Why should you have to go anywhere, much less Mexico, for that stuff? Don't you already live in New York City? That reminds me: Can you BELIEVE somebody actually made a sequel to "From Dusk Till Dawn"? I'm sure it's straight-to-video, but really, what a waste of perfectly good videotape. >>>>Was Ziggy Stardust stupid? Discuss. >>>No, but that was totally different. >>How? Essentially speaking, that is. Essentially, David Bowie's name was printed somewhere on the Ziggy Stardust album. Maybe that's not what you meant by "essentially"... but I'm just feeling all sour-grapes because XTC has done this sort of thing at least twice and has never been the subject of massive media hype over it. (And don't forget Maureen and the Meatpackers. And yes, I know that's not the same thing either.) Also, anyone who saw "Velvet Goldmine" might be forgiven for thinking the whole Ziggy Stardust thing was stupid, at least in retrospect. Though of course it couldn't possibly have been as stupid as "Velvet Goldmine" itself! >Let us also not forget who predated Bowie and who is undeniably >one of the most infamous "characters" of rock and rock theatrics, >Alice Cooper. And Screaming Lord Sutch predated *him*! It all started with that George Sand babe, if you ask me. >My favorite comment riding around the tree-lighting ceremony >downtown with my Buy Nothing banner? An idiot woman said >earnestly "That's not very 90s!" How about this: "I didn't buy anything on Buy Nothing Day! What do I win?" You'll never believe who came up with that one... JH3 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:42:28 -0600 From: ultraconformist@ets.cncdsl.com Subject: Re: Black Snake Fake Media Role >Essentially, David Bowie's name was printed somewhere on >the Ziggy Stardust album. Maybe that's not what you meant by >"essentially"... You're right, it's not. He did way more than that. He went onstage and performed the character. Those songs were Ziggy songs more than they were David Bowie songs. >but I'm just feeling all sour-grapes because XTC >has done this sort of thing at least twice and has never been the >subject of massive media hype over it. It's not quite the same. Did they actually go onstage as the Dukes, ever? Were there Dukes costumes (aside from the photos in the jacket)? Were the Dukes fully realized -characters- in the same way? I'm asking because I don't really know, but my impression is that Dukes of Stratosphere was more of an affectionate joke/tribute than anything. Can't speak for anyone else, natch, but what I dig about these things is not the concept per se, but the SHOWBIZ. I never got a sense of that from the Dukes of Stratosphere. Great stuff, but not really what I think of as "this sort of thing", I guess for me the essential elements are 1) actively playing a (somewhat detailed) character or characters and 2) some theatrical dazzle. And no, David Bowie was not the first or even the tenth, really, but he did it with such flash, he was bound to get a little more notice. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:14:27 -0600 From: ultraconformist@ets.cncdsl.com Subject: Re: Black Snake Fake Media Role Yes, I am following up my own post, and yes, I know it's tacky. But there's something I forgot to add. >theatrical dazzle. And no, David Bowie was not the first or even the tenth, >really, but he did it with such flash, he was bound to get a little more >notice. And this may even be a painfully obvious something. But I think what got Bowie noticed was throwing sexual ambiguity into the equation. That was the thing that hadn't been done previously, now that I think of it- I can think of plenty of examples of people playing characters, but AFAIK Bowie has the distinction of being the first (primarily) straight queen in rock. Reminds me of something I read somewhere about Johnny Rotten, how it wasn't at all the theatrical aspects of the Bowie thing that bugged him- he liked Alice Cooper a lot- it was the "I'm a sexually ambiguous space boy" thang. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:45:35 -0800 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: Black Snake Fake Media Role JH3 wrote: > > >>>>Was Ziggy Stardust stupid? Discuss. > >>>No, but that was totally different. > >>How? Essentially speaking, that is. > > Essentially, David Bowie's name was printed somewhere on > the Ziggy Stardust album. Maybe that's not what you meant by > "essentially"... but I'm just feeling all sour-grapes because XTC > has done this sort of thing at least twice and has never been the > subject of massive media hype over it. (And don't forget Maureen > and the Meatpackers. And yes, I know that's not the same thing > either.) > > Also, anyone who saw "Velvet Goldmine" might be forgiven for > thinking the whole Ziggy Stardust thing was stupid, at least in > retrospect. Though of course it couldn't possibly have been as > stupid as "Velvet Goldmine" itself! > > >Let us also not forget who predated Bowie and who is undeniably > >one of the most infamous "characters" of rock and rock theatrics, > >Alice Cooper. Creating characters for oneself is one thing. Sure, many people have done this before. And many people have released albums under different names, such as XTC and many more. And many people have played shows under different names, such as REM, U2, and countless others. But many people HAVE NOT made a documentary about their "character" telling a tragic story that didn't even fucking happen! This is my complaint. Behind the Music has become a really popular show and a way for bands to promote their comebacks and new albums. Would Fleetwood Mac's newest album sold as many copies without Behind the Music? So, since Garth Brooks hasn't had a tragic life himself (remember that tragedy is a requirement for having a BTM episode), he creates a fake one so he can have himself a Behind the Music episode? That's crazy. And I know that he didn't create this all by himself. VH1 had a big part. And the record companies had a big part. The way I see it, this is no different than if 60 Minutes or Dateline ran a story about a fake Latin American dictator. I think Garth Brooks is an idiot for agreeing to do it, plus he looks like an idiot trying to be "alternative" (whatever the fuck that is), and the music sucks! And VH1 has completely compromised their journalistic integrity. They should decide whether their show is going to be commercialized advertisements for artists, or if they're going to tell artists' stories in a professional, objective manner. IMHO, VH1 is the worst culprit here. Garth is just an idiot. But VH1 has completely ruined themselves. I used to think they were better than MTV. But I won't ever trust them again. Joel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:13:48 EST From: Briannupp@aol.com Subject: Re: A Can of Bees, liner notes... In a message dated Fri, 26 Nov 1999 1:00:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, Briannupp@aol.com writes: > Hey, whats up with the liner notes in the can of bees disc. Is Robyn just being silly, or did he really write "so you think your in love," and "lobster man" in the late seventies? I don't think I've heard any of the other songs mentioned, but I don't have it in front of me write now. Any insight on this one? By the way I just recently heard lobster man for the first time ( thanks Toby!) and I love it! The version I heard was a live acoustic version, is there a studio version available? > Brian > > "I thinnnk the coast is clear" -Robyn Hitchcock Is this too geeky of a question, that nobody wants to answer it, or should I have posted this question on the Garth Brooks site for a better response? Brian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:18:30 -0600 From: Paul Christian Glenn Subject: Re: Black Snake Fake Media Role At 11/29/99 3:45:00 PM, you wrote: >The way I see it, this is no different than if 60 Minutes or Dateline >ran a story about a fake Latin American dictator. Except that it concerns politics, and not *entertainment*. >I think Garth Brooks >is an idiot for agreeing to do it, plus he looks like an idiot trying to >be "alternative" (whatever the fuck that is), and the music sucks! I don't know that he looks like an idiot, but you're right - the music sucks. >And >VH1 has completely compromised their journalistic integrity. They >should decide whether their show is going to be commercialized >advertisements for artists, or if they're going to tell artists' stories >in a professional, objective manner. IMHO, VH1 is the worst culprit >here. Garth is just an idiot. But VH1 has completely ruined >themselves. This is kinda silly. Why on earth should VH1 be prohibited from presenting a tongue-in-cheek episode of one of their programs? They're not trying to deceive anyone; nobody thinks that Chris Gaines is a real person. Sure, it's shameless promotion, but since when has VH1 been above *that*? Hell, it's what the entire network revolves around. VH1 is hardly reknowned for their "journalistic integrity" or their professional objectivity. Just a few thoughts. Paul Christian Glenn trance@radiks.net Eon Chamber Online: http://eonchamber.virtualave.net ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #444 *******************************