From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #416 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, November 8 1999 Volume 08 : Number 416 Today's Subjects: ----------------- tonight's Cincy show [JudeHayden@aol.com] the other feglist [BLATZMAN@aol.com] Ferndale! [Briannupp@aol.com] Re: the Shaggs ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] top 20 ["jbranscombe@compuserve.com" ] eb all over the world ["Christ in the Desert" ] Re: Robyn MP3's [Eric Loehr ] Re: top 20 [Eb ] oh, ps [Eb ] Re: My travel iternerary [Capuchin ] so that was Momus [Eb ] Re: Robyn MP3's/Richard Thompson [Ben ] Who are you, who-hoo-hoo-hoo? [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan] Adam's query [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Re: so that was Momus [dmw ] Re: top 20 [Joel Mullins ] Re: My 2 cents [Joel Mullins ] Re: so that was Momus [Miles Goosens ] Re: the Shaggs [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: so that was Momus [Eb ] Re: so that was Momus [Miles Goosens ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 11:37:36 EST From: JudeHayden@aol.com Subject: tonight's Cincy show Hey Feg kids- So, Eddie Tews will be at tonight's show... who else? I will be the guy in the "I'm Growing Betsy in a Bag" shirt with 2 or 3 newbie Fegs... please say hi! See ya, Jude ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 12:23:42 EST From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Subject: the other feglist Well, speaking as one of the proud yuppie-types who laugh at everything goofy that Robyn says, I can assure you that I have been here for about 4 years. I was so disappointed after the Moss album that I went into hiding for a long time. I loved Respect soooooo much that I just couldn't take Moss. It was a repeat of my younger years when Simple Minds released the wretched Once Upon a Time after the incredible Sparkle in the Rain. It was like a punch to the gut. I was upset for months. I nearly cried my eyes out when U2 released Unforgettable Fire, but I have come to appreciate it. So I guess that there is still hope for the 2 Moss records. Still, I haven't bought JFS, basically cause I haven't gotten over Moss and a trusted friend called it "alright"... Yeah, well oh well... Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 12:52:59 EST From: Briannupp@aol.com Subject: Ferndale! Yeah, I`m a lot less hung over than I thought I be today. Great show! Met lots of nice and friendly people: Carissa, Paula, Eddie, Drew, Matt, Michael, Natilie, Chaz and his wife and freind (Chaz I'll trade you those photos for a copy of the show). Great time, and a nice crisp sound. Here's the set list: solo mexican god devil's coachmen arms of love my wife and my dead wife add tim I feel beautiful add Jay Kyle alright yeah add Kim the cheese alarm jewels for sophia sinister but she was happy madonna of the wasps queen of eyes ant woman sleeping with your devils mask oceanside encore solo airscape with Kimbo renadine(sp) "a traditional song" kingdom of love add band America! birds in perspex beautiful queen 2nd encore adoration elizibeth jade An incredible 5 minutes of America which at one point the rhythm section held it tight while Robyn and Muppetman engaged in some nice long soloing. I talked with Paul the tour manager (super cool guy) and he said I could hook up to the sound board, but he thought I'd get a better sound with my Audio Technica AT822. The management at the bag was a bit stand-off-ish, and I was drunk. We decided to just get the audience recording. Plus the soundboard was way in the back and I wasn't gonna give up my excellent seat next to Carissa. Anyway the recording turned out just fine, and I'll get back to those of you who wanted to trade. In my drunkeness I forgot to talk to Robyn, who was standing right next to me, after the show. I did talk with all of the lounge who were all cool cats. Have fun future feg show-ers. Robyn almost always comes out after the show, and either I'm still growing or Robyn's shrinking. I remember him being taller. Carissa have fun in Chicago with Eddie! Brian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 13:48:31 -0600 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: the Shaggs >From: Eb >Subject: event of the year, for you New Yorkers > >THE SHAGGS?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!??!?!?!?? Wow, what a coincidence. Right before I read this, I had just read an excellent story in the _New Yorker_ about the Shaggs. Written by a woman named Orlean (I forgot her first name), and a most inciteful story, too. Also spracht Tom Clark: >Unfortunately they've had 25 years to learn how to play, so it's just >gonna be them playing their horrible songs - but playing them >decently this time. Wishful thinking, I'm afraid. According to the _New Yorker_ story, each of the Shaggs abandoned music after their svengali father died in, oh, 1971 or so. But I'd be careful using the word "decently" or even "skill" in the same sentence as the Shaggs. 8-) I'm surprised all three are gonna be there, considering one of them suffers from debilitating depression. Hmm, curious. But that's definitely not a show to miss. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 16:05:41 -0500 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: top 20 I still think the vague point I'm trying to make stands. When RH makes very, very good albums (and I think that JFS is one of them) they are of the very best. And this should stand for more than the fact that he has made a couple of less than brilliant ones (though I think he has only made a brace of duffers, and even they are partially redeemed by a handful of good tracks). I'm sure there is some kind of statisical loading technique which would support a rounding up rather than a rounding down on these grounds. How about it Eb baby? ;-) jmbc. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 13:13:50 PST From: "Christ in the Desert" Subject: eb all over the world 11/5/99, Rosebud, Pittsburgh Mexican God The Devil's Coachman Wax Doll My Wife And My Dead Wife [enter tim] Queen Elvis [enter jake] Alright, Yeah [enter kimberley & linsay] Cheese Alarm No, I Don't Remember Guildford Sinister But She Was Happy Madonna Of The Wasps Queen Of Eyes [full-on Rock Armada] Antwoman Sleeping With Your Devil Mask [exit chris] Birds In Perspex Oceanside [solo] Raymond Chandler Evening [enter kimberley] Kingdom Of Love Insanely Jealous The Philosophers Stone [enter linsay, tim & jake] Beautiful Queen 11/6/99, Magic Bag, Ferndale soundcheck included: America, Queen Of Eyes Mexican God The Devil's Coachman Arms Of Love My Wife And My Dead Wife [enter tim] I Feel Beautiful [enter jake] Alright, Yeah [enter kimberley & linsay] Cheese Alarm Jewels For Sophia Sinister But She Was Happy Madonna Of The Wasps Queen Of Eyes [full-on Rock Armada] Antwoman Sleeping With Your Devil Mask [exit chris] Oceanside [solo] Airscape [enter kimberley] Reynardine Kingdom Of Love [enter kimberley, linsay & tim] America Birds In Perspex Beautiful Queen Adoration Of The City Elizabeth Jade A STAR FOR BRAM tracklist: Daisy Bomb I Saw Nick Drake Adoration Of The City 1974 (Electric) The Green Boy I Wish I LIked You Jesus And Me Nietzche's Way The Philosophers Stone Antwoman (Dub) I Used To Love You The Underneath available from "Museum of Robyn Hitchcock" on january 31st, 2000. $15 (including shipping). released on <> by arrangement with Warner Brothers Records. last night's show was probably the best of the tour, just edging out northampton. KEN "Max massages goats" THE KENSTER ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 17:53:53 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Loehr Subject: Re: Robyn MP3's On Sun, 7 Nov 1999, Ben wrote: > On another list I am running an FTP where people can exchange concerts, > rare tracks and related things of the artist. So I thought I would try > it with the Fegmaniax list. Ben, this is a great idea; you might want to contact Bayard, though -- he's got an ftp server set up already where he's doing this for some stuff, mostly RH boots. Seems to me the more the merrier, if you're interested though. > With Robyn it is a bit different because so much of his stuff > circulates on analog tape. So I don't know what I will do concerning > people who want to upload other analog-sourced concerts, I am a bit > apprehensive about using CD's to save unknown generation analog tapes. > Any other tape weenies have ideas? Well, I know some traders think anything less than digital from start to finish is horrible, but as far as I'm concerned, if it still sounds good, and is clearly labelled as being from an analog source, go for it. > > Oh and I know a couple of you are on the Richard Thompson list too. Do > you think I should do the same thing for that list? I think this would be absolutely fabulous, with a couple of minor caveats: the RT listowner has always been against eve *talking* about boots on the RT list (for fear of record conglomerate weasels putting heat on his employer -- where the RT list comes from -- and him losing his job. I think he's moved on, but the list is still on autopilot for the moment. Also, RT himself seems to be VERY anti-taping, and judging from the bi-monthly "discussions" over the value/morality of taping,it might be a good idea to keep a low profile. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 17:11:57 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: top 20 Michael: >From someone so parsimonious with >the accolades, a B+ seems like a pretty good mark. There you go. >Umm . . . who gets the A's? You know, it's not like I have a carefully tabulated list of these things. Anyway, I don't ordinarily rate albums/artists on a letter-grade scale, as you know. There's probably 20ish artists I'd put in the A/A- range. Don't make me worry about exactly whom they are. Anyone who has read a chunk of my posts should be able to guess several likely candidates. Eb, whittling down his top 10 list ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 17:13:36 -0800 From: Eb Subject: oh, ps Did you hear that the Jesus & Mary Chain have officially split up? Awww. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 18:07:41 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: My travel iternerary On Sat, 6 Nov 1999, Aaron Lowe wrote: > So, with no further ado, my itinerary (drum roll, please)... > Friday, November 19 > --8:00AM (CST): Depart Houston, TX, via passenger jet. We fly into SJC at around 2pm. Can somebody pick us up? (me and Vivi, of course) > --9:00PM: See Robyn, Tim, Kimberley and the rest of the Rock > Armada at GAMH. Aren't we going to get dinner beforehand? The Edinburgh Castle or whatever that place as called near GAMH? Anyone? > Saturday, November 20 > --7-ish in the morning: Leave San Francisco for Los Angeles in > spiffy rental car. > --8:00PM: See the Armada again at Troubadour. > --[??????????] OK... now THIS is tempting. > Sunday, November 21 > --11:56PM (CST): Arrive back in Houston. Our flight back to PDX from SJC is at around 8pm on Sunday. So here's the question: Who's going to LA and back on that weekend? We'd love to see the Saturday show in LA if we can get back to SJC on time for our flight? Can somebody help us schedule? We'll happily chip away at gas bills and buy a meal or two. Anyone? Four nights in the week would be Fantastacularwondermous. viciously fun, Je. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 18:13:01 -0800 From: Eb Subject: so that was Momus OK, I listened to Stars Forever today. I liked it a bit more than I thought I would, but I still can't endorse it. However, I feel like I'd need to hear more Momus releases to have a strong opinion on him -- I doubt such an unusual album is a good test sample. I'm not sure how many of the things I dislike about this album would stay consistent throughout his catalog. Shorthand thoughts: I didn't have a problem with the synthetic arrangements, probably because the stress was on chords and textures, not tacky drum tracks. (Are all his albums one-man/synthetic like this?) His voice wasn't quite as fey as I expected, so that's also good. And certainly, he has a dexterous way with words. But...the big thing which keeps me from climbing on the wagon train is the tone of the material. There's a darling, wink-wink quality to the songs -- both lyrically and musically -- which really turned me off. I almost never got a sense of him being emotionally committed to the songs -- instead, it was more of a precious, aren't-I-the-clever-one? approach. Again, maybe this wouldn't be true of his records which don't have such an overwhelming sense of novelty. It *is* a fascinating concept, yes, but as with the Tall Dwarfs' similarly collaborative "Stumpy" (or "What's Really Happening" on the new Bowie album, for that matter), the idea is better than the execution. I also never like singers with weak, "conversational" voices who can't sustain a note and thus can't communicate any feeling of strain/pain/yearning/fun, and Momus clearly falls deep into this category. Additionally, the music was good in some cases, but too often had a sense of smirking pastiche rather than legitimate individual creation. The less said about his attempts to "rap," the better, and the ongoing Gilbert & Sullivan/music-hall flavor made me wrinkle my nose, even if I do like The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter a lot. Similarly, I was observing how Momus borrowed from the Carpenters on "Shawn Krueger" (the bridge is awfully similar to that of "Close to You"...), and then he even went so far as to explicitly namecheck the group later in the song. Sheesh! Still, that was one of the four or five songs which appealed to me, if only because the subject matter was so can't-miss. Other tracks which stood out for me: "The Minus 5," "Mika Akutsu," "Mai Noda" and "Miles Franklin." Otherwise, ehhh. And needless to say, the extra fan parodies and interview track diluted the album's potential impact. These comments are kinda quick and badly organized...sorry. I have a lot of work to do tonight. And I gotta fit this around the X Files premiere, of course. :) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 21:33:32 -0500 From: Ben Subject: Re: Robyn MP3's/Richard Thompson Eric Loehr wrote: > Ben, this is a great idea; you might want to contact Bayard, though -- > he's got an ftp server set up already where he's doing this for some > stuff, mostly RH boots. Seems to me the more the merrier, if you're > interested though. Yes we have been in contact! > Well, I know some traders think anything less than digital from start to > finish is horrible, but as far as I'm concerned, if it still sounds good, > and is clearly labelled as being from an analog source, go for it. Right... I was thinking mainly about older stuff from before the days of DAT and other digital audience recording devices, stuff where the master tape is buried underneath the face on Mars and all anyone has are analogs of mysterious generation. Should those be off limits? For example, I have with me at the moment a tape of Robyn solo at Ronnie Scott's, London in 1985 where he does stuff like Dwarfbeat, The Unpleasant Stain, Tonight, etc. But it sounds pretty lousy. Would anyone still want to hear this? > I think this would be absolutely fabulous, with a couple of minor caveats: > the RT listowner has always been against eve *talking* about boots on the > RT list (for fear of record conglomerate weasels putting heat on his > employer -- where the RT list comes from -- and him losing his job. I > think he's moved on, but the list is still on autopilot for the moment. > > Also, RT himself seems to be VERY anti-taping, and judging from the > bi-monthly "discussions" over the value/morality of taping,it might be a > good idea to keep a low profile. Yeah I am well aware of the general attitude about taping both on the list and from the RT camp. Once I made a blanks and postage offer to the list for the Doom And Gloom tapes. I was flooded with responses, which I expected, but what surprised me was that they were almost exclusively from people who did not collect tapes at all! Of course they had all heard about Doom And Gloom and wanted to hear it. I was thinking of doing the same thing for other key tapes, but was told by the owner not to make anymore offers. I would imagine setting up an FTP with many more concerts than I could send out through mail would get a similarly enthusiastic response from the listmembers and negative response from the higher-ups. Compare Robyn and RT, both artists with similar "cult" followings but with polar opposite views on taping. How many Robyn bootleg CD's are out there? I can think of only 4 (Rout of the Clones, Stand Back Dennis, Invisible History and the Dylan one). How many RT bootleg CD's are there? According to the Henry The Human Fly page bootleg discography (where you can oddly enough find info on joining the RT list) there are 26, not counting Fairport!!! Add to that the fact that RT has allowed several mail-order live CD's to be released in a direct attempt to "beat the boots" and you can see what works and what doesn't... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:29:09 +0100 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Who are you, who-hoo-hoo-hoo? >Just thought I'd try to break a few fegmaniax rules for my first ever post >to this no doubt wonderful mailing list. Hello all. No intro (because I >doubt any of your are THAT interested in me anyway) welcome Adam! And OF COURSE we're interested in you - in all fegs, really.So... what do you have for breakfast? >1. How many people are on this list, and what's the spread of people across >the globe. Any stats on this anybody? (My impression so far seems to be of a >high % of US listees). these are guesses, based on several years of reading the list, so they probably don'ty take into account lurkers, but I'd guess that if onl,y 25-30% of fegs post, we'veprobably got about 200-250 members, with 70% beiung in the US and large minorotoes in England, Scotland, Canada and Australia.I am the list;'s southernmost member, in the southern South island of New Zealand (46 deg S). Hey, is the fegmap still operating? James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:38:12 +0100 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Adam's query In answer to my own question, yes, the Globe of Fegs map, which you may wish to check out young Adam sir, is at: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/fegmaps/index.htm This'll show you who and where we are! (well, some of us...). It'sno longer that up-to-date, having been left fallow for a while, but it'll give you some idea. James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 23:25:20 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: so that was Momus On Sun, 7 Nov 1999, Eb wrote: > OK, I listened to Stars Forever today. I liked it a bit more than I thought ... > There's a darling, wink-wink quality to the songs -- both lyrically and > musically -- which really turned me off. I almost never got a sense of him > being emotionally committed to the songs -- instead, it was more of a > precious, aren't-I-the-clever-one? approach. Again, maybe this wouldn't be i think you pegged it. on his strongest records, that doesn't bother me. there are things i like quite a bit about _stars forever_, but it feels like a "coasting" sort of record, rather than a stretching record. it's so easy, clearly, for momus to be clever -- it's more satisfying when he goes beyond that. - -- d. - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 22:30:13 -0800 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: top 20 Eb wrote: > Very well. I like Moss Elixir, Respect, You & Oblivion and Eye a chunk more > than JfS. I do like JfS more than Storefront Hitchcock, however. And I very > much hope that Robyn continues to work with Jon Brion. I agree with every bit of this. JfS is just not a great album, in my opinion. There's some excellent stuff on it, but it's one of Robyn's least interesting efforts. Joel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 22:39:08 -0800 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: My 2 cents Ethyl Ketone wrote: > It's tough but Moss Elixer, IODOT, and Respect stil rank in my top but You > and Oblivion - due to the acoustic nature holds a special place. JFS is > nice but I'm not crazy about every song. Moss Elixer is almost my fav... Moss Elixir, IODOT, EoL, and Eye are all brilliant! And most of Robyn's other albums are only slightly less than brilliant (Decay/Decoy included). But Jewels just doesn't do it for me. In fact, I'd say that Storefront and JfS are probably my least favorite RH albums. This of course does not mean that I don't like these albums. I do. I'm just not in love with them. Joel, who is expecting to like Bram better than Sophia. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 23:40:07 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: so that was Momus At 06:13 PM 11/07/1999 -0800, Eb wrote: >Hangman's Beautiful Daughter a lot. Similarly, I was observing how Momus >borrowed from the Carpenters on "Shawn Krueger" (the bridge is awfully >similar to that of "Close to You"...), and then he even went so far as to >explicitly namecheck the group later in the song. Sheesh! The bridge is almost, if not precisely, word for word, and identical musically, all of it intentionally. I guess I have a hard time understanding the "Sheesh!" since Momus is being so up front about using the Carpenters' song. (For those grasping for context, Shawn Krueger used the song to propose to his girlfriend, so I took Momus' use of "Close To You" as him employing a "romantic" cliche for a potentially cliched task. Melissa and I laughed out loud the first time we heard the "Close To You" bridge unexpectedly swell from a Momus song...) >And needless to say, the extra fan parodies and interview track diluted the >album's potential impact. Most of the time, I just eject the second CD after the last proper Momus track. Of course, on a list where some of the people actually seem to count bonus tracks in evaluating albums... :-) >(Are all his albums one-man/synthetic like this?) Increasingly so over time. CIRCUS MAXIMUS and a lot of THE POISON BOYFRIEND are acoustic (the latter has several other musicians backing him), but it pretty quickly becomes A Boy and His Moog. (And Sometimes Toog.) Actually, Eb's quickie review was much kinder than I expected, phew! And most of Eb's objections were of the understandable matters-of-taste department, such as the dislike of music hall (what does Eb think of the late-'60s Kinks, then?) and this approved-by-doug one: >There's a darling, wink-wink quality to the songs -- both lyrically and >musically -- which really turned me off. I almost never got a sense of him >being emotionally committed to the songs -- instead, it was more of a >precious, aren't-I-the-clever-one? approach. Again, maybe this wouldn't be >true of his records which don't have such an overwhelming sense of novelty. Every Momus record I own (I've got all but four, and since I now know I'll be going to the UK in February, I'll wait till then to pick up the rest) has that quality to one extent or another. I like Momus so much that even when it's in the ascendant (THE LITTLE RED SONGBOOK), I still enjoy his stuff. Like Susan, I don't hear nearly as much of it in STARS FOREVER... The acid test, I guess, would be if Eb gave a few spins to THE POISON BOYFRIEND or (sorry, Susan, it's my favorite thus far) THE PHILOSOPHY OF MOMUS, albums of more serious intent where Momus' contemplative melancholy and misanthropy infects even the "lightweight" tracks. waiting for aaron to yell "CIRCUS MAXIMUS!", Miles ====================================================== Miles Goosens UNlimited edition R. Stevie Moore CDs now available! http://www.rsteviemoore.com My personal website http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles "If a million people say a stupid thing, it is still a stupid thing." -- Anatole France ====================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 00:57:05 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: the Shaggs "My pal's name is Foot-Foot (Foot-Foot) He always finds me there . . . " [drums: buh-du-dum, buh-du-dum, dum-dum-dum-dum, ding-ding-ding] - -----Michael K., just my way of sayin': "Ahhh, the Shaggs" :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 22:38:31 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: so that was Momus Michael: >"My pal's name is Foot-Foot (Foot-Foot) >He always finds me there . . . " >[drums: buh-du-dum, buh-du-dum, dum-dum-dum-dum, ding-ding-ding] Damn it, one of you NY Fgz *owes* it to us to report on this show! Quail? Miles: >The bridge is almost, if not precisely, word for word, and identical >musically, all of it intentionally. I guess I have a hard time >understanding the "Sheesh!" since Momus is being so up front about using >the Carpenters' song. Why is confessed thievery any more creative than unconfessed thievery? Either way, he's directly vampiring the emotional oomph connected with another song/artist. It's a cheap shortcut. And incidentally, I didn't see any Bacharach co-credit posted.... >And most of Eb's objections were of the understandable matters-of-taste >department, such as the dislike of music hall (what does Eb think of the >late-'60s Kinks, then?) I love late-'60s Kinks. The differences are that the Kinks also rock, their hooks are far stronger, they *don't* have that fruity Gilbert & Sullivan element beyond the more working-class music-hall influence, Davies has a much better voice and he's a brilliantly *insightful* lyricist rather than just a "clever" one. Among other things. >The acid test, I guess, would be if Eb gave a few spins to THE POISON >BOYFRIEND or (sorry, Susan, it's my favorite thus far) THE PHILOSOPHY OF >MOMUS, albums of more serious intent where Momus' contemplative melancholy >and misanthropy infects even the "lightweight" tracks. I'm in no position to argue otherwise. Eb, expecting to see a post tomorrow with lots of apologetic smiley-faces http://www.zeldman.com/ad.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 01:13:02 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: so that was Momus At 10:38 PM 11/07/1999 -0800, Eb wrote: >Miles: >>The bridge is almost, if not precisely, word for word, and identical >>musically, all of it intentionally. I guess I have a hard time >>understanding the "Sheesh!" since Momus is being so up front about using >>the Carpenters' song. > >Why is confessed thievery any more creative than unconfessed thievery? It's not more creative, but it is more honest. >>And most of Eb's objections were of the understandable matters-of-taste >>department, such as the dislike of music hall (what does Eb think of the >>late-'60s Kinks, then?) > >I love late-'60s Kinks. The differences are that the Kinks also rock, their >hooks are far stronger, they *don't* have that fruity Gilbert & Sullivan >element beyond the more working-class music-hall influence, Davies has a >much better voice and he's a brilliantly *insightful* lyricist rather than >just a "clever" one. Among other things. Whoa, Eb! I totally agree with you (see the lil' Kinks blurb on my home page if you doubt it), but the force of this reply makes me think that you took my question for more than what it was, a simple query about another very music-hall-influenced artist. Some folks like Dave Marsh can't abide music hall at all, so I was just curious where you stood on that one. (And Dave Marsh was just the first person who came to mind. Marsh hasn't written a sentence that's interested me since... 1980, maybe? Whereas Eb continues to write plenty of sentences that astound, delight, and baffle, and, as far as I know, he hasn't written about having to pull over to the freeway shoulder and cry when Peaches and Herb's "Reunited" comes on the radio.) >Eb, expecting to see a post tomorrow with lots of apologetic smiley-faces From me? Pourquoi? later, Miles ====================================================== Miles Goosens UNlimited edition R. Stevie Moore CDs now available! http://www.rsteviemoore.com My personal website http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles "If a million people say a stupid thing, it is still a stupid thing." -- Anatole France ====================================================== ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #416 *******************************