From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #411 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, November 2 1999 Volume 08 : Number 411 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Halloween show ["Thomas, Ferris" ] Re: Vinyl transfers [Terrence M Marks ] MP3 utility question: No Robyn content ["Lyall, Jay PJ SSI" ] cincy show @top cat's [Minky Sponge ] Re: Vinyl transfers [Aaron Lowe ] Re: Vinyl transfers [Paul Christian Glenn ] Re: My tentative gigs [Capuchin ] Re: Denver Feg Turnout? [Paul Christian Glenn ] Re: My tentative gigs [Tom Clark ] Re: Vinyl transfers [Aaron Lowe ] "NEVER let me see you proofreading without a goddamn dictionary!" [Natali] Re: "NEVER let me see you proofreading without a goddamn dictionary!" [Pa] Re: Vinyl transfers ["JH3" ] Re: Vinyl transfers [Eric Loehr ] Re: Vinyl transfers, SCMS [Aaron Lowe ] Re: My tentative gigs [Capuchin ] Re: cincy show @top cat's [Miles Goosens ] Re: Vinyl transfers [Aaron Lowe ] Re: My tentative gigs [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Re: My tentative gigs [Tom Clark ] Fashionable Ferndale Nov.6th [Fpaux@aol.com] Re: 30 MilliHelens agree & Kimbo [hamish_simpson@agilent.com] pre-war lemonade (with a twist) [candl2@sensible-net.com] Re: Blair which project?? That project. Where wolf?? There wolf. [Jon Fe] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:21:00 -0500 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: RE: Halloween show A visibly irate Dave shouted: > FUCK! > He played Ghost ship, Face of Death, and Visions of Johanna > at the same > goddam show? I've been yelling for all of those for years, > and have never > heard any of them live....this show was two > nights after I saw > him in Philly, yelling Ghost ship til my face looked haunted. You graciously put the ideas into his head. Hell, I've never heard him play Birdshead. - -f. np: monograph's new offering "lorelei" ________________________________ F.S. Thomas programmer mailto:ferris_thomas@mcgraw-hill.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:33:05 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: Vinyl transfers On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, JH3 wrote: > Uh, I could be wrong about this, but AFAIK copyright law > forbids you to make copies of them, period. (At least digitally.) It qualifies as fair use to copy your vinyl to tape, provided you keep the vinyl. Why would CD be any different? Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:32:50 -0600 From: "Lyall, Jay PJ SSI" Subject: MP3 utility question: No Robyn content Hi Anyone out there have a copy of the following sound utility? a2b2wav.zip It was on MP3.com until the Liquid Audio lawyers went after them. If you have it or know where I can get a copy please let me know. Cheers Jay - ----------------------------------------------------------- Jay Lyall intra/Internet Application Support Group Emerging Technologies Shell Services International 713.245.4921 fax: 713.245.3118 Shell Information Center 1500 Old Spanish Trail 10P21G Houston, Texas 77054 "Can I get fries with that?" - Albert Einstein - ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:48:56 -0800 From: Eb Subject: RIP (and then there were none) Minoru Chiaki, the last survivor of Kurosawa's original "Seven Samurai." Aww. Eb np: Matthew Sweet/In Reverse ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:08:05 -0800 (PST) From: Minky Sponge Subject: cincy show @top cat's greetings fegs, anyone going to the cincy show on the 7th at top cat's and wanting to meet up before the show, drop me a line off-list, and we can set up something. i am only 40 minutes north of cincy, and i will be probably be in town all day before the show. dave "two posts in one week!" the davester ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 15:17:33 -0600 From: Aaron Lowe Subject: Re: Vinyl transfers At 02:33 PM 11/2/99 , you wrote: >On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, JH3 wrote: > > > Uh, I could be wrong about this, but AFAIK copyright law > > forbids you to make copies of them, period. (At least digitally.) > >It qualifies as fair use to copy your vinyl to tape, provided you keep the >vinyl. Why would CD be any different? It's not, as far as I know, and I carefully researched this before deciding to offer it as a service. I'm anxious to hear back from JH, though, about which law he's referring to(?) Aaron * Aaron Lowe [ aaron@aaronlowe.com ] http://aaronlowe.com "I got a machine and I took over the world In one weekend I took over the world with my machine I did it because I was looking for a project And it was either Take over the world or learn French So I took over the world And next weekend I can learn French" ~Violent Femmes _Machine_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:37:50 -0600 From: Paul Christian Glenn Subject: Re: Vinyl transfers At 11/2/99 3:17:00 PM, you wrote: >>It qualifies as fair use to copy your vinyl to tape, provided you keep the >>vinyl. Why would CD be any different? > >It's not, as far as I know, and I carefully researched this before deciding >to offer it as a service. I'm anxious to hear back from JH, though, about >which law he's referring to(?) The easiest solution would be to call the RIAA at 202-775-0101, or toll-free at 1-800-BAD BEAT (1-800-223-2328), or send an email to badbeat@riaa.com and just ask. Being curious about the issue myself, I tried to call earlier today, and was met by an incompetent secretary who asked what I wanted, put me on hold, came back and asked what I wanted again, put me on hold, came back and asked what I wanted yet a *third* time, put me on hold, and then hung up. Being more apathetic than curious, I didn't call back. But it seems like a nice easy way to find out, in theory anyway. I was always under the impression that if you owned a legal copy of the recording, you were free to make copies, digital or otherwise, for your own personal archiving purposes. Paul Christian Glenn trance@radiks.net http://eonchamber.virtualave.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:53:10 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: My tentative gigs On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, Tom Clark wrote: > While I'm bummed I'm going to miss the SF gig, I'm definitely going to be > at the Denver show (Hi Hal!). All the glowing reviews have me thinking > about flying to Seattle on the 16th and back after the Portland gig on > the 17th, so if anybody's planning on driving between those two fair > cities and can accomodate me and my luggage, let me know! OK! Here's our deal. We currently have NO tickets, but we have most of our plans worked out... so here goes and let's hope we can buy tickets tonight! I'd like to take the train up to Seattle on the afternoon of the Seattle show... go straight to the Croc and enjoy music. Then, hows about we rent a van, Tom? Viv and you and I and anyone else doing a one-way from Seattle to Portland (Michael Wolfe?) split the cost and drive back after the show. Tom, you're welcome to stay at our place that night. Then I will work on the next day as will VIv and then Wednesday I guess Tom would leave and stuff. IMPORTANT: We are flying out of Portland to SJC at 1:18pm on Friday, Nov. 21. We will then somehow get from San Jose to the GAMH or wherever we're meeting and enjoy fegness. On Saturday, we would like to spend some time with Mark Gloster and potentially go see Sleepy Hollow which openned the night before. Whattya think, Mark? Then on Sunday we will by flying out of SJC at 8:14pm, so there's heaps of time to stuff then, too. Anyone else have other ideas? Lemme know what's up. Viv, I bought the plane tickets, you get show tickets. Hee! Oh... and we'll work out train/car fare later. Our year end plans are not really set. Je. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:54:54 -0600 From: Paul Christian Glenn Subject: Re: Denver Feg Turnout? From: John Jenks To: trance@radiks.net Subject: Re: Denver Feg Turnout? > > In our last episode, the nefarious Mr. Clark wrote: > > >While I'm bummed I'm going to miss the SF gig, I'm definitely going to be > >at the Denver show (Hi Hal!). > > I'm going to be attending the Denver show as well, and I'm more than a little > excited (most really cool artists inexplicably avoid the expansive middle region > of the nation - they hit Chicago and then make a bee-line for L.A.). Having never > met another Feg face-to-face, I'm wondering who all will be there... > Well, me too. In fact, I'm flying from Cleveland to see it. It's on a Saturday, and my vacation time is more limited than my frequent flyer miles... I'm interested in meeting other fegs, hanging out, whatever. johnj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:09:33 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: My tentative gigs On 11/2/99 1:53 PM, Capuchin wrote: >Then, hows about we rent a van, Tom? Viv and you and I and anyone else >doing a one-way from Seattle to Portland (Michael Wolfe?) split the cost >and drive back after the show. Tom, you're welcome to stay at our >place that night. > >Then I will work on the next day as will VIv and then Wednesday I guess >Tom would leave and stuff. Sounds like a deal. But I fear we won't be able to see all the flying cars on I-5 when it's dark... > >IMPORTANT: >We are flying out of Portland to SJC at 1:18pm on Friday, Nov. 21. What year would that be? This year the 21st falls on a Sunday! !!!!, - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 16:13:39 -0600 From: Aaron Lowe Subject: Re: Vinyl transfers > >I was always under the impression that if you owned a legal copy of the >recording, you were >free to make copies, digital or otherwise, for your own personal archiving >purposes. > >Paul Christian Glenn >trance@radiks.net >http://eonchamber.virtualave.net That's not *exactly* true. Under the "Audio Home Recording Act of 1992" (plug that string into your favorite search engine, and I'm sure you'll find enough reading material on the subject. This bizarre (and, IMHO, bad) law makes it illegal to make digital recordings of any prerecorded music with a device that does not incorporate a system known as the Serial Copy Management System (SCMS). Minidisc decks and the stereo component variety CD-R copiers have this technology built in, which keeps the end-user from being able to make a copy of a copy, so to speak. Only original, factory-pressed CD's are copy-able, theoretically. The manufacturers of the recording equipment pay into a fund, x number of dollars per each unit they produce and sell, and that fund is somehow distributed among recording artists and record labels, based on record sales. I know it sounds bizarre, and I'm sure it doesn't actually work like that, but that's how it's supposed to work. Most computer CD-R drives now incorporate this same system (SCMS), so it it is not ostensibly illegal to record copies of your audio CD's for your own use using these drives. That being said, it isn't hard to find "patches" or "fixes" for popular CD-burning applications that will circumvent the serial copy protection mechanism. There is, of course, no way to incorporate this SCMS "technology" (I put "technology" in quotation marks because the very word implies a step *ahead* instead of *behind*) when copying from an analog source like a vinyl record. But, as the law is worded, it is still legal to make a copy of an album that you've purchased, for your own personal use, as long as you DO use a device that incorporates SCMS, and consequently pays record company royalties. God, what have I started? I tried only to make a mutually beneficial offer for my fellow vinyl-owning Feg-brothers and -sisters, and .... I never wanted this to happen. I apologize. Much to JH3's consternation, I'm not going to sell back all my equipment and get out of the vinyl-transfer business just yet. I've been considering/looking into/pondering doing this for the better part of six months now -- it wasn't a decision made on a whim. Let's see ... did anyone else semi-famous, of any consequence, die recently? How about another setlist/concert review? Anyone? * Aaron Lowe [ aaron@aaronlowe.com ] http://aaronlowe.com "I feel like making love to a photograph Photographs don't smell" ~Soft Boys _Give It To The Soft Boys_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:22:28 -0500 (EST) From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: "NEVER let me see you proofreading without a goddamn dictionary!" > (Also the way I used to spell it in > High School just to pretentiously annoy my teachers.) (I bet you did > that too, didn't you Susan? 'Fess up!) I did that. I also wrote "aluminium" by accident in one of the articles I did for my former job - probably a subconscious attempt to piss off my gouging slave-driving incompetent asshole bosses. > In second grade when we were being taught cursive, I insisted that the > cursive "Q" was stupid and looked way too much like the number two for > my taste, so I stubbornly continued to print "Q" at the front of words. I still do that. I print "T" also, because once in junior high, a friend thought that a character in one of my stories was named Jerry, when he was actually named Terry. (The young gnat champions XTC over the Grateful Dead? Maybe...) n. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 16:27:40 -0600 From: Paul Christian Glenn Subject: Re: "NEVER let me see you proofreading without a goddamn dictionary!" At 11/2/99 5:22:00 PM, you wrote: >> In second grade when we were being taught cursive, I insisted that the >> cursive "Q" was stupid and looked way too much like the number two for >> my taste, so I stubbornly continued to print "Q" at the front of words. > >I still do that. I print "T" also, because once in junior high, a friend >thought that a character in one of my stories was named Jerry, when he was >actually named Terry. The only capital cursive letter that I write is "L". Every other capital letter gets printed. I've no idea why. It just seems right. Paul Christian Glenn trance@radiks.net http://eonchamber.virtualave.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 16:33:38 -0600 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: Vinyl transfers Sorry, I had to fix a bug... Aaron writezes: >>I assume you mean digitally *recording* them, not >>remastering them. >I guess this is a matter of semantics, and seems rather >picky and argumentative, but if you prefer to use the word >"record," I have no qualms with that. I'm glad you haven't any qualms, and I don't like to be argumentative either, but are you saying there's no difference between remastering and recording? (Somebody help me out here!) >What's expensive is the licensing of the noisegating filters. >There are a million companies out there making filtering >software that is designed to effectively remove scratches, >clicks, pops, hiss sounds, or fills in dropouts, but the higher- >ends ones actually do what they purport to do >quickly, efficiently, and effectively. Well at THAT price, I hope for your sake that they do! I'm actually quite interested in knowing the name(s) of these companies you're referring to here, and I'll even tell you and everyone else where to find all sorts of legal info for home recording enthusiasts, including the texts of the Digital Millenium Recording Act, the Audio Home Recording Act, etc. etc.: http://www.hrrc.org/ But if you prefer to go straight to the lawbooks and you're in the United States, it's all in 17 USC, sections 100 onwards. (Sorry, I don't know the statutory cites for the UK and other countries.) And yes Terry et al, it *is* legal to digitally record copyrighted stuff for your own use. But we're talking about distribution here, am I right? I'm sorry I didn't make the distinction - I guess you could say technically that I was wrong earlier, having not made the distinction explicitly. (I'm wrong quite often anyway, as you all know...) Regardless, nowhere does 17 USC make an exception for the seller if the purchaser already owns a copy of the copyrighted material in another format. You couldn't enforce such a law with that kind of exception, so it wouldn't make any sense to put it in. So I can't specifically cite an exception that doesn't exist, can I? Just remember, these people are concerned with digital distribution almost exclusively, and it really doesn't matter to them what the source material is, only that the distribution medium is digital. OTOH, the allowable civil penalties would probably be so light for anyone doing what Aaron is proposing (i.e., one-time copying, not bulk manufacture) that nobody would ever bother to go after them (him) in court. So if you really can make money at it, I guess you might as well go ahead. In fact, if you really *can* effectively limit sales to people who already own the vinyl already, at least for RH and XTC material, you have my blessing, FWIW. (After all, my main issue was with the gear you were describing, not the legal stuff which we've already discussed on this list far too many times. I'm sorry I mentioned it, frankly.) >Sorry if I've offended anyone (unless you're a member of the >RIAA, in which case, I'm quite pleased with myself). Well, *technically* you did spam the feglist, which is a crime punishable by The Dreaded Living Death. But other than that, I'm not offended. And just now: >God, what have I started? I tried only to make a mutually >beneficial offer for my fellow vinyl-owning Feg-brothers and >-sisters, and .... I never wanted this to happen. I apologize. Hey, no need to apologize! Actually, I'm genuinely interested in any sort of digital noise filters that don't noticeably affect the quality of converted analog recordings, and I know I'm not the only one. Like I say, the legalities are of little concern on such a small scale, and besides, a lot of these laws are untested anyway. So go for it, dude! John H. PS: I do have one other beef though, and that's this: Aaron also wrote earlier that folks might want CD-R's of vinyl LP's for "archival" purposes. This will also sound really picky, because it does depend on your definition of "archival," but ordinary pitted CD-R's are most definitely *not* an archival medium! Phase-change CD-RW's and similar WORM media are, but not standard CD-R's. (Just put two of them back-to-back in the same jewel box and mail them to yourself on a rainy day, and you'll find out just how archival they really are.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:42:14 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Loehr Subject: Re: Vinyl transfers On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, Aaron Lowe wrote: > Most computer CD-R drives now incorporate this same system (SCMS), so it it > is not ostensibly illegal to record copies of your audio CD's for your own > use using these drives. That being said, it isn't hard to find "patches" > or "fixes" for popular CD-burning applications that will circumvent the > serial copy protection mechanism. > Whoa -- are you sure about this? I know the units you plug into your stereo to make CD copies have SCMS protection, but I thought that computer burners were free of this stupidity.... Eric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 16:54:03 -0600 From: Aaron Lowe Subject: Re: Vinyl transfers, SCMS > > Most computer CD-R drives now incorporate this same system (SCMS), so > it it > > is not ostensibly illegal to record copies of your audio CD's for your own > > use using these drives. That being said, it isn't hard to find "patches" > > or "fixes" for popular CD-burning applications that will circumvent the > > serial copy protection mechanism. > > >Whoa -- are you sure about this? I know the units you plug into your >stereo to make CD copies have SCMS protection, but I thought that computer >burners were free of this stupidity.... > >Eric When I say most, we're talking 75%. You can find CD-R drives that do not incorporate SCMS readily enough, but the bigger manufacturers (Teac, Smart-And-Friendly, and maybe(?) HP now) are shipping their drives with SCMS, and paying into the dumb "royalty fund" or whatever. There are software applications, however (Nero, for one) that have built-in workarounds that allow you to copy copied CD's anyway, so it's all sort of silly. , * Aaron Lowe [ aaron@aaronlowe.com ] http://aaronlowe.com "He's got the bonhomie of a game show host And his handshake is so limp it's like meeting a ghost His apologies are tired 'cause he uses them a lot His excuses are so lame if they were horses they'd be shot" ~Billy Bragg _Goalhanger_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:02:05 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: My tentative gigs On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, Tom Clark wrote: > On 11/2/99 1:53 PM, Capuchin wrote: > >Then, hows about we rent a van, Tom? Viv and you and I and anyone else > >doing a one-way from Seattle to Portland (Michael Wolfe?) split the cost > >and drive back after the show. Tom, you're welcome to stay at our > >place that night. > >Then I will work on the next day as will VIv and then Wednesday I guess > >Tom would leave and stuff. > Sounds like a deal. But I fear we won't be able to see all the flying > cars on I-5 when it's dark... Don't worry, if you can't see them, they can't hurt you. My thought is perhaps even to rent the van from Portland for the trip up so we don't get screwed like we did when we took the train up to MABD. Whattya think, Michael? Viv? Carole? My plan is to leave after the show and come back to Portland in the very late night. > >IMPORTANT: > >We are flying out of Portland to SJC at 1:18pm on Friday, Nov. 21. > What year would that be? This year the 21st falls on a Sunday! Whoops. Flying out of Portland on the 19th. Flying back to Portland on the 21st. Tom... why are you going to Denver? And when do you go? Foo! One less SFBayFeg for the weekend's adventures. - -- ______________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 17:06:03 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: cincy show @top cat's At 01:08 PM 11/02/1999 -0800, Minky Sponge wrote: >greetings fegs, > >anyone going to the cincy show on the 7th at top cat's >and wanting to meet up before the show, drop me a line >off-list, and we can set up something. i am only 40 >minutes north of cincy, and i will be probably be in >town all day before the show. It's a shame that Eddie will be seeing Dan Bern that night, else he'd be in Cincy performing an exorcism on Elizabeth Morgan. later, Miles ====================================================== Miles Goosens UNlimited edition R. Stevie Moore CDs now available! http://www.rsteviemoore.com My personal website http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles "If a million people say a stupid thing, it is still a stupid thing." -- Anatole France ====================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 17:11:50 -0600 From: Aaron Lowe Subject: Re: Vinyl transfers >And yes Terry et al, it *is* legal to digitally record copyrighted >stuff for your own use. But we're talking about distribution here, >am I right? I'm sorry I didn't make the distinction - I guess you >could say technically that I was wrong earlier, having not made >the distinction explicitly. (I'm wrong quite often anyway, as you >all know...) I just wanted to respond very briefly to this segment of your message, and then I'll desist entirely, or if not, definitely take it completely off-list. I don't think we *are* talking about distribution, in this case. This is probably all confused by my initial (very generous, I might add :P) offer that starting all this quibbling. The service that I will be offering will be to take Customer Smith's record, record it to CD-R, then return both the record and CD-R to Smith. Smith is essentially making a copy for himself, using me and my company as an agent to this purpose. As for the archival properties of CD-R media, well.... that's a good one, and it's something I claim to know a little about, but... that one's definitely going off-list. * Aaron Lowe [ aaron@aaronlowe.com ] http://aaronlowe.com "Our Lord loves the family, our Lord loves the saved Our Lord loves the unborn babies and the NRA Our Lord hates the liberals, the faggots and their friends We're soldiers of Christ and we're here to defend The way it used to be The way it ought to be The way it's going to be again." ~Jill Sobule _Soldiers of Christ_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:18:03 -0800 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: My tentative gigs Kuh Poochin blabs about tentative giggerages: ....blah blah MARK GLOSTER blah blah... Enough about you, let's talk about me. I'm not in the Sleepy Hollow movie, so we'll have to meet some other way. You and yer sweety are certainly invited down to Scruztown for all the fun that can get at ya. We have room for you in some way, though we only have the one sofa. We have some air mattresses and cats for up Viv's nose. No, we won't really try to put air mattresses up Vivvy's nostrils. I seem to be overoccupied with workies these days. Happies, - -Markg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:22:34 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: My tentative gigs On 11/2/99 3:02 PM, Capuchin wrote: >Tom... why are you going to Denver? And when do you go? Foo! > >One less SFBayFeg for the weekend's adventures. Actually I'm going to Denver on the 12th to visit my brother for the weekend - the show there is on the 13th. The SF show is the following Friday (19th), which is the day we fly to Phoenix for a weekend of lounging at The Boulders in Scottsdale - some corporate event my wife wrangled us into. Remember, without my presence at the GAMH you guys can't get in before everyone else - so get there early! ok, back to the screeching symphony of dying uninterruptable power supplies... foo on you too, - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:25:55 EST From: Fpaux@aol.com Subject: Fashionable Ferndale Nov.6th The pre-show gathering is at the Woodward Ave. Brewery. at 6 pm. Upstairs. I'll be there around 5;30. I have no idea what clothing I will have on,so look for a 5'redhead. My friend Paula will be with me. Her hair is even curlier than mine, but brown. The Brewery is one block south of 9 mile rd. on the corner of woodward and troy st. The Magic Bag is one block north of 9 mile. See ya Saturday Carissa ..p.s. 'Drew, I gots yer tickets, ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 08:53:15 +0000 From: hamish_simpson@agilent.com Subject: Re: 30 MilliHelens agree & Kimbo > > -tc, whose fave all time joke is the telephone one that goes something > > like: > > "You don't say..." > > "You don't say..." > > "You don't say..." > > "You don't say..." > > "Who was it?" > > "He didn't say." > It's from Spike Jones and the City Slickers - "Chloe", I think. Or the female switchboard operator on Hong Kong Phooey? On the subject of why Kimbo went his own way and didn't socialise with the other guys he probably had better things to do! Like winning the Eurovision Song and bushing up his hair? (H) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:19:16 -0500 From: candl2@sensible-net.com Subject: pre-war lemonade (with a twist) On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, Aaron Lowe wrote: > Oh, Elizabeth Jade, > You shake me up like *pre-war*(?!) lemonade. > > Any ideas? the type of lemonade that is made fresh, with a lemon in the cup - you know, the kind you can still buy at county fairs. The lemon is placed in the cup with sugar etc and violently shaken up. Perhaps during the war, lemonade of this sort became rare because of rations and stuff, so "artificial" lemonade (without the fresh fruit and shaker) became the norm. This is pure conjecture, tho. However, the fresh fruit angle also works for the next line - "gotta find myself a stopper before I find myself a poppa". Remember Casanova? He used half a citrus fruit (oranges or lemons, I can't remember guildford ) as a diaphragm for his lovers. :-) So, not only is Robyn lamenting the loss of fresh fruit in his drink, but also the lack of a contraceptive for afters. ;-) tee hee, Chas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:19:19 -0500 From: Jon Fetter Subject: Re: Blair which project?? That project. Where wolf?? There wolf. As an aside, does anyone know a way to combat motion >sickness? I'm tired of not being able to go on rides, swings, etc. > >Chris Surely you've tried Dramamine? It now comes in non-drowsiness inducing forms, and also as a stick-on pad that goes behind the ear. It works great for me. As an aside, apparently it was developed for Gen. MacArthur, who was prone to sea-sickness. Jon __________________________________________________________________ "With the growth of boredom and restlessness, he saw, cruelty and subtlety and revolt were growing apace. There was more and more cosmic abnormality, more and more curious sadism, more and more ignorance and superstition, and more and more desire to escape out of physical life into a half-spectral state of electronic dispersal." --H.P. Lovecraft, "The Mound" ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #411 *******************************