From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #393 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, October 21 1999 Volume 08 : Number 393 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: There I go again... [dmw ] the joke [dmw ] Ursula Le Guin [Tom Clark ] Our Own Mark Gloster [Tom Clark ] Re: Our Own Mark Gloster [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Re: all coffee (scariest dream ever) [steve ] tab [Joel Mullins ] airing our differences [James Dignan ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #391 [James Dignan ] Re: Brown, acrid liquid ["JH3" ] Re: Ursula Le Guin [Ken Ostrander ] Re: ...or they might not [Aaron Mandel ] Re: Brown, acrid liquid [Ken Ostrander ] Re: ...or they might not [Eb ] Re: ...or they might not [Marcy Tanter ] Re: ...or they might not [Eb ] Proof of a deity? [Natalie Jacobs ] these stats amaze me [re: Bawb] [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:16:38 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: There I go again... On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Joel Mullins wrote: > persona, if for no other reason the to give you guys a chance to laugh > at me and call me a pervert. Anyway, nudity just makes great movies ha ha ha! joel's a pervert! hey everybody, look at joel, the pervert! ha ha ha! isn't perversion amusing? ha ha! - -- d., thinking fondly of "bad willow" - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:29:55 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: the joke (just in case it's not clear to any sarcasm-impaired folks, my calling joel a "pervert" is probably like the kettle being shocked that water has been boiled in the pot -- nudity in mainstream hollywood films is usually pretty vanilla, it seems to me.) - -- d. n.p. damned mr. pencil audio, over and over again. - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:43:41 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Ursula Le Guin Whoa people - too weird. Two mentions of Ursula Le Guin - whom I'd never heard of - on two different lists on the same day: From gNat: >On the way, we kept passing signs for >places mentioned in Ursula Le Guin books, stories, and essays, which got >me all excited. I remembered that "The Lathe of Heaven" is set in >Portland, and tried to imagine the tall buildings melting as we drove by. From someone on the San Jose Sharks list [Of course, it has nothing to do with Hockey, but this IS Silicon Valley]: >Cool Word: ansible [n. AN-sih-bul] > > Although ansible does not appear in any dictionary, the word > is known to science fiction fans, especially readers of Ursula > K. Le Guin, who invented it. An ansible is a device that allows > instantaneous communication across interstellar distances of > many light years -- something that violates the laws of physics > as we know them today, but fits well in some science fiction > tales. > > No one is sure how Le Guin came up with the word. It was > apparently first used in her book "Rocannon's World," > published in 1966. Since then it has appeared in other Le Guin > books, and also in a book by Orson Scott Card. > > The ansible device, by other names or without a name, is now > commonplace in science fiction, including the TV shows "Star > Trek" and "Babylon 5." If such a wonderful device ever becomes > a reality, it will hopefully be called the ansible. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 16:04:05 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Our Own Mark Gloster See the sharkboy with normal-person hair!! http://www.MacKiDo.com/EasterEggs/HW-PCIROM.html Mark is the second from the top as you go clockwise. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:40:05 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: Our Own Mark Gloster >See the sharkboy with normal-person hair!! >http://www.MacKiDo.com/EasterEggs/HW-PCIROM.html >Mark is the second from the top as you go clockwise. 'tis me, yes. I must protest that my hair was pulled back. I really did have Sharkboy hair then too. The last time I didn't have Sharkboy hair, and only briefly so, was about 1984, which was about the time of the original Macintosh. Happies, - -Markg "Too many errors on one line (make fewer)" from favorite MPW messages on old 68k compiler. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:17:01 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: all coffee (scariest dream ever) dmw: >yeah, so i was gonna tell y'all about the **scariest dream i ever had** in >which anti-drug paranoia ran to its logical extreme, and *every* >non-prescription compound that affected yr mental state was outlawed -- >yes, caffeine was classified as a "dangerous controlled substance." This brings to mind the silly "I will not do drugs" form we had to sign at work. One of my cow orkers included a couple of paragraphs about how he had a problem with Dr. Pepper consumption, but he thought he had it under control. Thing is, I think he might have been serious. - - Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:42:26 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: tab Hey, does anyone know where I could find some Of Montreal tabs? Joel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:15:22 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: airing our differences >Sorry, but I can't pass up the opportunity to live up to my online >persona, if for no other reason the to give you guys a chance to laugh >at me and call me a pervert. Anyway, nudity just makes great movies >even better. But then again, I don't find nudity offensive. you mean... some people DO? Oh. I'd better go and put some clothes on, then. James (emailing from the office, as usual) James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:15:34 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #391 >I've just found a Bert Jansch compilation CD in a bargain bin (ScotFegs: >go look in Fopp Records) and love it dearly. Anyone else found the >baffling guitar work of this Austro-Celtic dude similar to Robyn's? considering his seeming penchant for the likes of Fairport, it wouldn't surprise me, if RH had heard quite a bit of Pentangle in his formative years. Pentangle was, particularly during the late 60s and early 70s, the 'folk-rock-crossover' (erk) group: Jansch was joined on guitar by John Renbourn (another fine guitarist to check out)> Terry Cox drummed, the redoubtable Danny Thompson was on double bass, and Jacqui McShee (erm... descended from a ghost???) was on lead vocals. Go find a copy of their first, self-titled album, or possibly Basket of Light. James ("summertoime is with us once agaaaaaaannnn....") PS c- still trying to get over last night's Frida Kahlo meets James Ensor nightmare of a dream (all together now: "Meet James Ensor..."). I was housesitting and the person I was housesitting for asked me whether I could tidy up the yard. Corralling the ducks was easy, but raking the corpses down from the trees was a real pain... James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:15:15 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: Brown, acrid liquid Eb wrote: >Not counting several servings of the more exotic variety (espresso, >capuccino, etc.), the total amount of coffee I've drank in my life >wouldn't even add up to a full cup. I'm surprised nobody has said something about this. Whaddya mean, "not counting" espresso, capuccino, etc.? Sure, the beans are a little different sometimes and there's a slight difference in the preparation, but still, that's like saying "I never drink water, just Perrier" or "I avoid chocolate, but I do like fudge" or "I never eat vegetables, because the tomato is actually a fruit." Give it up, buddy! You may be more like the rest of us than you think! John "chock full o' nuts" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:54:03 -0400 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: Re: Ursula Le Guin even weirder, i was just thinking sending an ursula le guin book to my brother this week. i've only read one, _the dispossessed_ and thought it was a great depiction of the probable realities of a socialist colony on the moon. if you can believe that. speaking of men on the moon, i saw a preview for that flick with jim carey as andy kaufman. looked like it could be really good. _american beauty_ rivals _rushmore_ as my favorite film so far this year. _three kings_ was really good too. ken "i'm not obsessing, i'm just curious" the kenster np. that neutral milk hotel in ze aeroplane over ze sea thingie >Whoa people - too weird. Two mentions of Ursula Le Guin - whom I'd never >heard of - on two different lists on the same day: > >From gNat: >>On the way, we kept passing signs for >>places mentioned in Ursula Le Guin books, stories, and essays, which got >>me all excited. I remembered that "The Lathe of Heaven" is set in >>Portland, and tried to imagine the tall buildings melting as we drove by. > >From someone on the San Jose Sharks list [Of course, it has nothing to do >with Hockey, but this IS Silicon Valley]: >>Cool Word: ansible [n. AN-sih-bul] >> >> Although ansible does not appear in any dictionary, the word >> is known to science fiction fans, especially readers of Ursula >> K. Le Guin, who invented it. An ansible is a device that allows >> instantaneous communication across interstellar distances of >> many light years -- something that violates the laws of physics >> as we know them today, but fits well in some science fiction >> tales. >> >> No one is sure how Le Guin came up with the word. It was >> apparently first used in her book "Rocannon's World," >> published in 1966. Since then it has appeared in other Le Guin >> books, and also in a book by Orson Scott Card. >> >> The ansible device, by other names or without a name, is now >> commonplace in science fiction, including the TV shows "Star >> Trek" and "Babylon 5." If such a wonderful device ever becomes >> a reality, it will hopefully be called the ansible. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:13:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: ...or they might not On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Eb wrote: > PS So you're saying that TMBG's typical fans *do* love to git down and > dance? are you kidding? they may not want to dance to anything but their three favorite TMBG songs, and they may not be skilled dancers (no way to know about either of these at a concert), but they sure want to dance. but who gives a damn what some of the fans are like? for that matter, who cares what a movie's trailer looks like? trailers make everything look bad, and they make any movie that doesn't fit into typical hollywood categories (which a faithful adaptation of Bob Burden's comics wouldn't) look like particularly formulaic goo because they don't have much to hang the trailer on. it's rarely hard to work backward and 'explain' why a particular unpleasant group of fans is into one band instead of another, but i find that the people i'm embarrassed to like the same bands as are the ones whose affections are indiscriminate, making it bad to assume everything else they like is awful. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:51:51 -0400 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: Re: Brown, acrid liquid >>Not counting several servings of the more exotic variety (espresso, >>capuccino, etc.), the total amount of coffee I've drank in my life >>wouldn't even add up to a full cup. > >I'm surprised nobody has said something about this. Whaddya mean, >"not counting" espresso, capuccino, etc.? Sure, the beans are a little >different sometimes and there's a slight difference in the preparation, >but still, that's like saying "I never drink water, just Perrier" or "I avoid >chocolate, but I do like fudge" or "I never eat vegetables, because the >tomato is actually a fruit." i used to drink innumerable cups of coffee a day. i worked at the diabolical nestle corporation for a while and they had a capuccino machine. off, i was flying (and i do mean flying) back and forth to that thing so often they called my capuccino man. when i first started at my current job, i had my own capuccino machine on my desk. unsuprisingly, my stomach condition turned into a full-fledged ulcer, so now i stay away from most forms of caffeine unless i've got some food in the ol' gullet. hey, i heard that the big bottles of perrier has trace amounts of lithium. that would explain a lot. for me, i'd rather eat fudge than chocolate. mostly, i eat ice cream with chocolate surup on top. at one point, to amuse ourselves and one of our professors, a friend and i started our own art movement. we called it !-ism using the phonetic click of the aborigines. anyway, part of our manifesto included a treatise on the tomato. our theory was that it was a fruit until such time as it was cooked, when it mysteriously turned into a vegetable. hmmm... >>np: 98 Degrees/This Christmas ooh, i can't wait to hear your rating on this one! ken "hit mute i'm frothing" the kenster ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:44:50 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: ...or they might not >who cares what a movie's trailer looks like? trailers make everything look >bad, and they make any movie that doesn't fit into typical hollywood >categories (which a faithful adaptation of Bob Burden's comics wouldn't) >look like particularly formulaic goo because they don't have much to hang >the trailer on. Oh Aaron, you're just so...so...indie! As for John's comments about capuccino vs. coffee, I'm not sure it's so worthwhile a distinction to investigate in my own case, since I've probably only had five or six cups of THAT stuff too. And always, as part of a social coffeehouse situation.... Eb now ehhing: Brendan Perry/Eye of the Hunter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:49:12 -0600 From: Marcy Tanter Subject: Re: ...or they might not You're all so full of it, aren't you? Thinking you're sooooo cool with your coffee talk. Friggin' shut up, all of you! Try living in the middle of f'ing Texas where they don't even know what coffee is. You get this weak swill that has a vague coffee scent and tastes like weak motor oil or something. I NEED REAL COFFEE. A nice cup of hazelnut would do me just fine...... Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:04:06 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: ...or they might not >You're all so full of it, aren't you? Thinking you're sooooo cool with >your coffee talk. Friggin' shut up, all of you! Try living in the middle >of f'ing Texas where they don't even know what coffee is. You get this >weak swill that has a vague coffee scent and tastes like weak motor oil or >something. I NEED REAL COFFEE. I dunno, Marcy. You sound plenty "wired," as is. Maybe you'd better stay away from the real stuff! Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:08:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: Proof of a deity? Jeff Mangum is writing songs with Vic Chesnutt. Vic talks about it in the following interview: http://www.flagpole.com/Issues/thisweek/vicchesnutt1.html I suppose it was bound to happen, since they live in the same town and all, and I doubt we'll ever hear the results, but still.... wheeeee!! n. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:37:22 -0800 From: Eb Subject: these stats amaze me [re: Bawb] Some Bawb zealot out there researched the RIAA statistics about his chosen one: "The Times They Are A-Changin'": not certified Gold until November 1994, still hasn't gone Platinum "Another Side Of Bob Dylan": not certified Gold until May 1999, still hasn't gone Platinum "Bringing It All Back Home": certified Gold in 1967, but still hasn't gone Platinum "Highway 61 Revisited": didn't go Platinum until August 1997 "Blonde On Blonde": didn't go Platinum until May 1999 Wow. Am I the only one surprised by the (relatively) slow sales of these proven classics? Eb ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #393 *******************************