From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #391 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, October 20 1999 Volume 08 : Number 391 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Jansch-o-rama ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Jansch-o-rama ["matt sewell" ] Re: Jansch-o-rama ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Jansch-o-rama [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Jansch-o-rama ["matt sewell" ] ...or they might not ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: ...or they might not [Eb ] Re: Jansch-o-rama [Bayard ] Kids [Joel Mullins ] Re: Jansch-o-rama [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Kids ["Jason R. Thornton" ] RE: Kids ["Thomas, Ferris" ] Robyn in Austin this weekend [Aaron Lowe ] Re: I've got to be kidding. [Bayard ] Re: cultural iconography [Jeff Dwarf ] Guided By Voices (0% RH) ["Pamplemousse" ] RE: Guided By Voices (0% RH) ["Chaney, Dolph L" ] Re: I've got to be kidding. [lj lindhurst ] saw Brian Wilson last night . . . [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: saw Brian Wilson last night . . . [John Barrington Jones ] Re: Guided By Voices (0% RH) [dmw ] Re: Shakin' Shakin' Shakes [HSatterfld@aol.com] Re: fight club again [hal brandt ] Re: Guided By Voices (0% RH) [Ken Ostrander ] Re: Great to be back, Fegs ["James Hadfield" ] Re: saw Brian Wilson last night . . . [puppycakes ] hitchhiking to chicago [Fpaux@aol.com] Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #390 ["Russ Reynolds" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #390 ["Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Jansch-o-rama I've just found a Bert Jansch compilation CD in a bargain bin (ScotFegs: go look in Fopp Records) and love it dearly. Anyone else found the baffling guitar work of this Austro-Celtic dude similar to Robyn's? Stewart (who is also struck by the similarity between The Beta Band and Flansburgh's MonoPuff.) - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:07:19 BST From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: Jansch-o-rama It wasn't the one with the playing cards, was it? - I've got that one and it's superb - I think that Jansch was (and is) a big influence on Robyn's guitar playing... He played Oxford the other day (Bert not Robyn), but having heard that he's no longer able to play anywhere near as well these days, I didn't bother. I think that the folky element influence on Robyn's music has been underated - - doesn't anyone else hear the influences of Bert Jansch, Robin Williamson and Roy Harper (say)? I seem to remember there's an even better Jansch LP which is called Box Of Love (?) - definitely worth checking out in my humble etc! Cheers Matt >From: "Stewart C. Russell" >Reply-To: "Stewart C. Russell" >To: Robyn Hitchcock discussion list >Subject: Jansch-o-rama >Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:20:25 +0100 > >I've just found a Bert Jansch compilation CD in a bargain bin (ScotFegs: >go look in Fopp Records) and love it dearly. Anyone else found the >baffling guitar work of this Austro-Celtic dude similar to Robyn's? > > Stewart > (who is also struck by the similarity between The Beta Band > and Flansburgh's MonoPuff.) > >-- >Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division >stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers >use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:13:06 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Jansch-o-rama matt sewell wrote: > > It wasn't the one with the playing cards, was it? No, It's just got a guitar and a music stand on the front. It's called "The Bert Jansch Collection" and is one of those Castle Communications cheap CDs. > He played Oxford the other day (Bert not Robyn), but having heard that he's > no longer able to play anywhere near as well these days What's up? Not arthritis? As a sometime sufferer, I would hope not. > - doesn't anyone else hear the influences of Bert Jansch, Robin Williamson > and Roy Harper (say)? Roy and Bert definitely. I have to (humbly) admit that I've never heard an String Band material. - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:46:44 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Jansch-o-rama On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > No, It's just got a guitar and a music stand on the front. It's called > "The Bert Jansch Collection" and is one of those Castle Communications > cheap CDs. Yes, I've got that one. Another collection which is even better is the double CD with a picture of a moored boat on the front. There are also some CDs containing two of his original LPs, but, irritatingly, they are not in chronological order (I think LPs 1 and 3 are on one CD and 2 and 4 on another, or something like that). The first LP, which begins with 'Strollin' Down the Highway', is the best. > > - doesn't anyone else hear the influences of Bert Jansch, Robin Williamson > > and Roy Harper (say)? Robyn definitely has an acoustic picking style which is based on that Bert Jansch - John Renbourn - Davy Graham - Ralph McTell 'folk baroque' style. I don't hear a strong Robin Williamson influence myself, but all of those guys once set the standards for UK folk guitar picking (all right, mainly Scottish F G P) and he has obviously listened to them all. Robyn's guitar playing (but not, thank heaven, his vocals) is also influenced by Martin Carthy. I missed Jansch this time round, but you can't predict how good he is going to be from one tour to the next. I've seen him on good form and I've seen him incapably drunk. - - Mike Godwin PS Eddie Irvine was robbed! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:27:50 BST From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: Jansch-o-rama >Roy and Bert definitely. I have to (humbly) admit that I've never heard >an String Band material. The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter is one of my favourite albums of all time - it's such an incredible blend of styles, fused by the amazingly idiosyncratic talents of Williamson and Heron. I'd recommend this album to everyone - I'd love to hear Robyn perform an ISB cover, particularly Mercy I Cry City or Walz Of The New Moon... Also good are Wee Tam and The Big Huge. Can't wait to see Roy Harper - his Oxford gig is only 11 days away...woohoo! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 06:09:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: ...or they might not > From: Eb [on They Might Be Giants] > Look at the band's fans, Eddieken. Just look at the fans. > > Eb, who has always found Jello Biafra unbearably smug Was the juxtaposition of these two lines intentionally funny? Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 06:41:00 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: ...or they might not >> From: Eb > >[on They Might Be Giants] >> Look at the band's fans, Eddieken. Just look at the fans. >> >> Eb, who has always found Jello Biafra unbearably smug > >Was the juxtaposition of these two lines intentionally >funny? Zzzzz. Eb, happy that he continues to supply Drew with reasons to post PS So you're saying that TMBG's typical fans *do* love to git down and dance? np: XTC/Homespun ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:12:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: Jansch-o-rama On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, matt sewell wrote: > The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter is one of my favourite albums of all time - > it's such an incredible blend of styles, fused by the amazingly > idiosyncratic talents of Williamson and Heron. I'd recommend this album to > everyone - I'd love to hear Robyn perform an ISB cover, particularly Mercy I > Cry City or Walz Of The New Moon... someone asked robyn if he had the ISB albums and he said "have them? i'll probably be buried with them!" he's covered "chinese white", which i think is from a solo album of one og the members... _5000 spirits_ i think; and he has also done "nightfall" and "the yellow snake", and he said he's played "3 is a green crown" for himself once or twice. oh, and "the hedgehog's song" was requested at a show once. meanwhile, i can't get anyone to go to "fight club" with me, and the forthcoming movie "Bats" is advertising in a web banner on my screen with the slogan "get sucked" (well, it is a *web* banner, i suppose) =b >Zzzzz. you might want to get that narcolepsy looked at... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:27:00 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Kids Hey fegs, I just found out that the Kids in the Hall are getting back together and touring a live show. Does anyone know about any details, like tour dates? Joel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:07:39 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Jansch-o-rama On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Bayard wrote: > someone asked robyn if he had the ISB albums and he said "have them? i'll > probably be buried with them!" he's covered "chinese white", which i > think is from a solo album of one og the members... _5000 spirits_ i > think; and he has also done "nightfall" and "the yellow snake", and he > said he's played "3 is a green crown" for himself once or twice. oh, and > "the hedgehog's song" was requested at a show once. 'Chinese White' is indeed from '5000 Spirits or the Layers of the Onion', which is a bona fide ISB album (their second, after Clive Palmer left). It's the one with the dazzlingly psych-ay-deelic cover by the Fool, who went on to run the Apple Boutique (and spent all the money in it). I don't really like the String Band much, but I've seen Robin Williamson solo and with that Merry Band that he had in the 80s, and he puts on an excellent live act. - - Mike "I'm not the kind to complain" Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:17:52 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Kids At 10:27 AM 10/19/99 -0700, Joel Mullins wrote: >Hey fegs, I just found out that the Kids in the Hall are getting back >together and touring a live show. Does anyone know about any details, >like tour dates? Check out www.pollstar.com, or the Comedy Central website. They're coming to Dallas... I know that. I've a friend who's planning on going. Cheers! - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 14:16:28 -0400 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: RE: Kids I know they'll be in New York Feb 11, 12, and 13 at the Town Hall. - -----Original Message----- From: Joel Mullins [mailto:acidbird@swbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 1:27 PM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: Kids Hey fegs, I just found out that the Kids in the Hall are getting back together and touring a live show. Does anyone know about any details, like tour dates? Joel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:23:49 -0500 From: Aaron Lowe Subject: Robyn in Austin this weekend Can anyone verify or deny the rumor that no advance tix are being sold for the 3 shows at the Cactus Cafe at all? The website says that tickets at $16.00 at the door. What time would any Austin fegs recommend getting there? What's the venue like? I plan to stay overnight in Austin Sat. nite (I'm coming in from Houston) - -- anyone want to get together before the shows on Sat. or before Sun. nite's show? I'm dragging along my roommate; he's familiar with some Robyn music, but he's never been to a live Robyn show. Aaron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 15:24:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: I've got to be kidding. Capuchin wrote: > I'm pretty sure Eb's middle name is Dolly. Pardon? Fegdream dept: last night I dreamed Capuchin invented a new way to travel by folding space, but it turned out he was actually tunnelling, a la a wormhole effect, and had to stop b/c he'd accidentally destroyed most of China. There were some other fegs in the dream too, but I don't remember... it might have been *you*... > Hoo boy. That explains heaps. > J. > -- > ________________________________________________________ > > J A Brelin Capuchin > ________________________________________________________ > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:27:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: cultural iconography Joel Mullins wrote: > Mark_Gloster@3com.com wrote: >> It feels like scrubbing a cheese grater across all of my >> gutty-wutts to say that I would express my feelings toward >> _Fight Club_ in a similar way as Eb. It almost doesn't matter >> about how great the flick, or even how funny it is, I really >> have no desire to see it. > See, this I don't understand. If something is good, then I > want to see it or hear it or whatever. Of course, I'll form > my own opinion once I have seen said movie. But it just > doesn't make any sense to me to say that even if a movie is > kick ass, you still don't want to see it...unless, you have > moral issues that keep you from seeing R rated movies or > something. well, there's always the principal of "how much does/could this subject matter interest me?" i mean, no matter how well done "fight club" is (and having liked both "seven" and "the game," i have no trouble believing it IS well done), i really have no interest in this whole "pity the poor straight white male; he doesn't know how to get along now that he has to share the marbles with women and men who aren't white" crap(and i say this AS a straight white male). so, i'm probably not going to bother seeing "fight club," unless it shows up during one of those free hbo weekends, when i have nothing else to do. plus brad pitt is such a crap actor. ===== "America's greatest natural resource, still, to this day, is the moron" --Martin Mull __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 21:31:53 +0100 From: "Pamplemousse" Subject: Guided By Voices (0% RH) The opportunity arises for me to see GBV on Thursday. I know nothing of them other than I've seen them mentioned here a number of times. Are they worth going to see? - -- Rob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 16:38:39 -0400 From: "Chaney, Dolph L" Subject: RE: Guided By Voices (0% RH) see Mr. Godwin's comments re: Jansch about erraticness and drinkage -- however, when they're on, they're on. GBV are so good that they make Dayton, Ohio (their place of origin), not deserve obliteration by meteor. well... maybe. Dolph who is now 5 days away from moving from Atlanta to Champaign, IL and would like folks to know that e-mail to him should be sent to dolphmusic@hotmail.com and additionally would appreciate any and all good vibes / wishes / prayers as he moves and stuff. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:48:17 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Kids >Hey fegs, I just found out that the Kids in the Hall are getting back >together and touring a live show. Does anyone know about any details, >like tour dates? They're performing in L.A. at the Wiltern (where Waits played), around January 22nd.... Meanwhile, I saw Guided By Voices about three years ago (circa Under the Bushes Under the Stars), and it was one of the greatest club shows I've ever seen. Unbelievable. Then I saw GBV at a larger venue a year or two later (after the band's lineup had radically changed), and thought the show was pretty damn dull. Hrm. GBV never blossomed into the saviors they were supposed to be, unfortunately. Current pet peeves: songs which contain the phrase "carry on," and folks who write "...wait for it..." in email/posts to create "suspense." Eb now disliking: Save Ferris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 16:39:25 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: I've got to be kidding. bayard: >Fegdream dept: last night I dreamed Capuchin invented a new way to travel >by folding space, but it turned out he was actually tunnelling, a la a >wormhole effect, and had to stop b/c he'd accidentally destroyed most of >China. There were some other fegs in the dream too, but I don't >remember... it might have been *you*... Last night I dreamed that I had a chihuahua with a little girl's head and arms. She had long blonde hair, and she also had sunglasses on her head. She was painting her fingernails blue. And then I tried to buy a lottery ticket but they were this new lottery ticket that came in the form of bumperstickers. I kept trying to figure out where to scratch. Oh, and I owned a minivan. l * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * LJ Lindhurst White Rabbit Graphic Design http://www.w-rabbit.com NYC ljl@w-rabbit.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "Every head is a head and there is no head which is not suitable for any creature." --Amos Tutuola ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:01:43 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: saw Brian Wilson last night . . . Isn't it great when something totally exceeds your expectations? I was half-way expecting Brian to pretty out of it and to sing poorly or wander off-stage or, at the very least, to turn out a lackluster performance. Well, while I've seen plenty of people who are more in touch with reality than ol' Brian is, he was definitely "there" last night. So, anyway, yeah -- I was expecting them to bring him out in a glass case and to have these heartless L.A. studio guys backing him up and for the audience to applaud politely and, after it was all said and done, I'd get to say I'd seen Brian Wilson. Instead, Liz and I ended up in some sort of Cult of Love and Fun! Brian's wife was there, as was some whole entourage. They acted as cheerleaders, getting everyone to do a standing ovation after nearly every song . . . which I think most people were ready to do, anyway!!! And I definitely didn't think people would be dancing in the aisles, myself included. And yet it happened!!! The band was great and obviously really enjoyed what they were doing. Brian was often crusty, but also funny and charming. And he clearly had himself a good old time. Great setlist, too! Mostly Beach Boys stuff. Lots from "Pet Sounds," including both instrumental numbers. Really, really good show. If you get the chance, fork out the dough. Okay, back to our irregular and unscheduled programming :-) - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 15:22:45 -0700 (PDT) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: saw Brian Wilson last night . . . > Okay, back to our irregular and unscheduled programming :-) ugh. don't mention programming. john b. jones host of "Real Live C++ Disasters" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:29:16 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: I've got to be kidding. LJ writes: >Last night I dreamed that I had a chihuahua with a little girl's head >and arms. She had long blonde hair, and she also had sunglasses >on her head. She was painting her fingernails blue. My guess is that Quail has been forcing you to watch video clips of the last 15 minutes of "Mars Attacks" while under hypnosis. He's a naughty one, that's for sure... (Apparently I'm the only one in the entire world who liked that movie.) >And then I tried to buy a lottery ticket but they were this new >lottery ticket that came in the form of bumperstickers. I kept >trying to figure out where to scratch. We've had bumper-sticker lottery tickets in Illinois for years. They tell me the trick is to scratch the shiny new paint job of the monster truck in the next parking space. But you know me, I'm not much of a gambler! >Oh, and I owned a minivan. Hmmm.... well then, never mind! I forget what I dreamt (yes, it's still a real word) last night. It probably had something to do with diesel-powered trenching machinery, so y'all probably aren't missing much. JH3 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:34:32 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: Guided By Voices (0% RH) On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Pamplemousse wrote: > The opportunity arises for me to see GBV on Thursday. I know > nothing of them other than I've seen them mentioned here a number > of times. Are they worth going to see? how cheap is it? word is the current tour has extremely high standard deviation. i saw them open for cheap trick; a show that somehow brought out the worst in both acts; about half of the set had me wondering "shit, do they *intend* it to sound like that?" but a musician friend swore that the show the night before was vastly more coherent. when i saw r. pollard with the original band it was great; sloppy in the good way that musicians who know each other well can be. this is pollard and band'o'the week; when they're sloppy it just sounds bad, and i mean that in a nearly objective sense. - -- d. n.p. owsley, with a tip'o'the hat to the ebbinator - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:50:16 EDT From: HSatterfld@aol.com Subject: Re: Shakin' Shakin' Shakes >Oh yeah... I picked up an "LA Weekly" while I was up at Spaceland meeting >Eb. There's an ad in there for "Laser Vaginal Rejuvenation." I'm not sure >exactly what they do in this procedure, but it sure sounds good. ;) Visit Dr. Matlock's home page for information on this purported actual medical procedure: http://www.drmatlock.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:04:20 -0600 From: hal brandt Subject: Re: fight club again Eleanore Adams wrote: > I think it was the best movie I have seen all year. It may go up in my list > of all time favorites. I though it was flawless. The ending frame made me > laugh even harder. I didn't like it as much as you, but I liked it more than I expected I would. It's a cross between LOST HIGHWAY and THE GRADUATE. Go see it at a matinee and judge for yourself. Edward Norton is really good (in most everything he does.) /hal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 16:40:39 -0400 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: Re: Guided By Voices (0% RH) >The opportunity arises for me to see GBV on Thursday. I know >nothing of them other than I've seen them mentioned here a number >of times. Are they worth going to see? yeah, they put on a great show. rob pollard drinks up a storm and jumps all over the place. i've only seen them once as part of a multi-band gig; but i've listened to a lot of live material. i'm still waiting to see them as headliner. i think their albums are getting better and better. or at least more consistantly good. ken "i am a scientist" the kenster np. nuggets: original artyfacts from the first psychedelic era, disk three ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:09:09 GMT From: "James Hadfield" Subject: Re: Great to be back, Fegs Well, after such a long absence, I have to say that it's great to be back. Things are going pretty well, my old heap hasn't broken down lately, and the trip overseas was a real blast! "Time's fun when you're having flies" - -Kermit the Frog ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 21:32:49 -0400 From: puppycakes Subject: Re: saw Brian Wilson last night . . . when we last left our heroes, John Barrington Jones exclaimed: >host of "Real Live C++ Disasters" oxymoron. woj p.s. yankees fans are kindly requested to unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 22:16:49 EDT From: Fpaux@aol.com Subject: hitchhiking to chicago I've received e-mail from several fegs stating interest in meeting some where before the Nov. 6th show in Ferndale Mi. So far the plan is to meet at The Woodward Avenue Brewery, just south of 9mile. A time frame for our meeting hasn't been discussed yet. The doors at the Magic Bag open at 8pm.Tickets are $15.00 at the box office. It is general admission. As I recall the tables are very small and tightly packed. Any one else interested in attending, please e-mail me. Also, I am still in search of a ride to Chicago on the 10th. Eddie has very kindly offered to pick me up, but from W.V., Detroit is not exactly on the way to Chicago. Please don't make Eddie have to drive any more than he has to. Carissa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 22:49:36 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #390 >p.s. They installed new coffee makers here at Apple and the coffee has >improved exponentially. Consequently I've been completely wired for four >days. It's like free heroin! Help! I want brand names and model numbers. Our stuff is Shit. - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:39:56 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #390 Russ Reynolds wrote: > > >p.s. They installed new coffee makers here at Apple and the coffee has > >improved exponentially. Consequently I've been completely wired for four > >days. It's like free heroin! Help! > > I want brand names and model numbers. Our stuff is Shit. Any coffee you don't make yourself is going to be terrible. I've developed a defence against cow-orkers stealing coffee; evolve a higher caffeine tolerance. We have a continuous supply of boiling water here, so with a cafetière and a supply of Lavazza, you're set for all day buzzing. If you're really desperate, track down some Taylor's of Harrogate "Hot Lava Java", an intense little blend of ultra-high caffeine content beans. Tastes pretty vile, but a couple of sips in, you're past caring. I don't actually like coffee, but it's the only drugs I can take at work. [okay, I stole that from a TV show (Dweebs) that none of you probably saw 'cos it was cancelled half way through its run. It had Corey Feldman in it, and that was one of his lines.] - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #391 *******************************