From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #390 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, October 19 1999 Volume 08 : Number 390 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Shakin' Shakin' Shakes [Tom Clark ] Club Soda [Michael Wolfe ] Re: Shakin' Shakin' Shakes [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Shakin' Shakin' Shakes [Tom Clark ] Baltimore Robynshow/Bristol Polymer physics gallery/my email [Bayard ] puzzles (aka "Hrm...") [hal brandt ] RE: Fight Club Sandwich ["Thomas, Ferris" ] sometimes i wish eb was a pretty girl ["Capitalism Blows" ] Re: Club Soda [Joel Mullins ] Re: sometimes i wish eb was a pretty girl [Eb ] Re: puzzles (aka "Hrm...") [hal brandt ] still a mystery [hal brandt ] Belated RIP ["Thomas, Ferris" ] Ebert gives Lynch **** [hal brandt ] Re: still a mystery [Eb ] Re: still a mystery [MARKEEFE@aol.com] CL [Eb ] Re: still a mystery ["JH3" ] Re: cultural iconography [Eb ] Re: cultural iconography [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Princess Mononoke again (NR) [steve ] Re: cultural iconography [Joel Mullins ] Re: cultural iconography ["Chris!" ] Re: cultural iconography [Joel Mullins ] fight club again [Eleanore Adams ] Re: cultural iconography ["JH3" ] Another NR post [steve ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:23:54 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Shakin' Shakin' Shakes On 10/16/99 3:01 PM, Jason Thornton wrote: >Oh yeah... I picked up an "LA Weekly" while I was up at Spaceland meeting >Eb. There's an ad in there for "Laser Vaginal Rejuvenation." I'm not sure >exactly what they do in this procedure, but it sure sounds good. ;) Are you sure it's not a band name? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:45:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Wolfe Subject: Club Soda I skipped out of work early on Friday to go see Fight Club. Since the closing credits started to roll, I've been trying to figure out exactly where to put it on my top 10 of the decade list. I'm thinking it's coming in at #3, behind "Red" and ahead of "Exotica". It took me awhile to get my jaw unstuck from the glucose-sticky floor when I got up to leave. > I saw Fight Club last night and I really enjoyed it. I was a > little bothered by the ending, but then part of me really liked > the ending. I guess I'm just not sure what I think of the > ending. I loved the ending. I'm not going to say anymore, except that I've had "Where is My Mind?" running through my head all weekend (see "np"). >I have not yet seen American Beauty, so I can't compare it. I have, and they don't compare, in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed American Beauty, but I thought that Election was a far more elegant approach to the milieu, and Fight Club a far FAR more spirited treatment of similar themes. >I am making it out less seriious that maybe I should; there is a >semi serious theme to it - nihilistic distruction! Uh, actually, this is one of the most hopeful (and ergo, least nihilistic) movies I've seen in a long time. It's led me to challenge some pretty basic assumptions about why my life is taking the course that it's taking. About how much I'm choosing, versus how much I'm letting myself be led along. I'm going to go see it again tonight. - -Michael Wolfe np: The Pixies, Surfer Rosa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:33:16 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Shakin' Shakin' Shakes On Sat, 16 Oct 1999, West wrote: > So far, seems the worst damage was a derailed train out near Barstow. Speaking as a Brit, I have never heard of this town before except in the line "Kingman, Barstow, San Bernadino" from the song 'Route 66' by R.Troup - - and who he, anyway?. I guess it's quite a small place? - - Mike Godwin PS And on the subject of songwriters, I would have said that the 'best' was Hoagy "Georgia On My Mind" Carmichael, followed by Jerome "Ol' Man River" Kern, George "Summertime and the livin' is easy" Gershwin and Irving "Near enough every other song you ever heard of" Berlin. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 10:56:29 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Shakin' Shakin' Shakes On 10/18/99 10:33 AM, Michael R Godwin wrote: >On Sat, 16 Oct 1999, West wrote: >> So far, seems the worst damage was a derailed train out near Barstow. > >Speaking as a Brit, I have never heard of this town before except in the >line "Kingman, Barstow, San Bernadino" from the song 'Route 66' by R.Troup >- and who he, anyway?. What I know about Bobby Troup: He ws one of the stars of the 1970's tv series "Emergency", which also brought the world the wonderful acting talent of one Randolph Mantooth. Troup was married to singer/actress Julie London, who also was on "Emergency." Anybody who gets the Music Choice service via cable or DSS will notice that Ms. London is featured prominently on the Singers & Standards channel. Troup passed away about six months ago; London is still with us. - -tc p.s. They installed new coffee makers here at Apple and the coffee has improved exponentially. Consequently I've been completely wired for four days. It's like free heroin! Help! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:00:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Baltimore Robynshow/Bristol Polymer physics gallery/my email Everyone: If you are going to the Baltimore show on wednesday the 27th, email luther (LDudich@ase.org) and let him know right now! I am pretty sure it's: luther (and maybe his brother) chris G. Eddie Mike Runionon ME is that it?? Luther is going to get tickets (yay Luther!) There will be other robynshows, but this is a prime opportunity to mee eddie and miker onion... ALSO - did anyone save those Robyn paintings I told randi about a couple months ago? The site is gone... please search your extended cache. the site was http://polymer.physics.bristol.ac.uk/whatever. Finally, a personal note... my email forwarding will stop in a month or so, so no mail to universe.digex.net will reach me. i have gotten a few emails forwarded from that one recently. use the address in the header of this post. =b ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:57:19 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Club Soda Jeez...I'm not even the slightest bit motivated to see Fight Club. Blecch. Then again, I still haven't gotten around to even seeing The Blair Witch Project. ;) Eb, still puzzled why the opening of Mystery Men was perceived as an "event" by the list np: still Beck ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:14:48 -0600 From: hal brandt Subject: puzzles (aka "Hrm...") Eb wrote: > > Jeez...I'm not even the slightest bit motivated to see Fight Club. Blecch. I'm going to see it out of sheer boredom this afternoon (it's a cloudy, drizzly, cold day) and I hope I like it more than I think I will. > Eb, still puzzled why the opening of Mystery Men was perceived as an > "event" by the list Comic books, Tom Waits, William H. Macy, J. Garafolo...not that far of a stretch to realize that folks here might have had an interest in a movie with all those elements, as disappointing as the final result may have been. It's certainly not THAT outrageous of a notion to warrant two seperate inquiries weeks apart, Eb. /hal (still recovering from seeing Waits two nights in a row and wishing he had deviated from the program a little more the second night) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:17:38 -0400 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: RE: Fight Club Sandwich Even lower budget television...interesting.... - -----Original Message----- From: Eb [mailto:gondola@deltanet.com] Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 5:15 PM To: Thomas, Ferris Subject: Re: Fight Club Sandwich >And while I can respect their low-budget achievement I just really hope it's >not an open invitation to any yutz with a super8 camera to make a >mocumentary. I have a feeling BWP's influence will be felt more on television than in other films. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:22:26 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: sometimes i wish eb was a pretty girl according to , tix for the mountain stage gig are available ONLY through (304) 487-1502. in other news, i have had the pleasure of meeting ms. natalie jane jacobs. so there. and let me follow up on some of last evening's proceedings. it turns out that a certain feg (who shall remain nameless) doesn't care for they might be giants because they make you think rather than feel. when i heard this news, i threw out some artists that make one think (woody guthrie, dead kennedys, billy bragg, maybe some others) wondering what said feg thought of them. but i never got back to contending the original hypothesis. that is to say, i've never considered they might be giants a band that makes one think a lot. instead, i think they're a lot of fun, and that they do hit one (this one, anyhow) on that level. mainly, they make you wanna get up and dance, i'd say. KEN "Could you please not discuss Linux while you're opening your presents?" THE KENSTER ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:28:31 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: puzzles (aka "Hrm...") >> Eb, still puzzled why the opening of Mystery Men was perceived as an >> "event" by the list > >Comic books, Tom Waits, William H. Macy, J. Garafolo...not that far of a >stretch to realize that folks here might have had an interest in a movie >with all those elements Ehhh, not good enough. I mean, I adore Waits (and like Macy and Stiller, too) and I wasn't motivated to see the film at all. The trailer immediately showed that the film was just high-concept Hollywood schlock. As for Garafalo, I stay *away* from anything she's in. Yuck. >/hal (still recovering from seeing Waits two nights in a row and wishing >he had deviated from the program a little more the second night) But you'll still track down tapes of both nights, right? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:19:39 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: Club Soda Michael Wolfe wrote: > I loved the ending. I'm not going to say anymore, except that > I've had "Where is My Mind?" running through my head all weekend > (see "np"). Well, that was definitely a good choice of song. Joel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:35:32 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: sometimes i wish eb was a pretty girl I find this subject line very disturbing. ;) >a certain feg (who shall remain nameless) doesn't care for they might >be giants because they make you think rather than feel. when i heard this >news, i threw out some artists that make one think (woody guthrie, dead >kennedys, billy bragg, maybe some others) wondering what said feg thought of >them. You're badly twisting said Feg's criticism. He said TMBG make you think rather than feel, and I'd say that's a reasonable assessment. But then you expanded his dismissal to artists who make one think AND feel. No fair. >that is to say, >i've never considered they might be giants a band that makes one think a >lot. instead, i think they're a lot of fun, and that they do hit one (this >one, anyhow) on that level. mainly, they make you wanna get up and dance, >i'd say. Look at the band's fans, Eddieken. Just look at the fans. Eb, who has always found Jello Biafra unbearably smug ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:47:05 -0600 From: hal brandt Subject: Re: puzzles (aka "Hrm...") > >/hal (still recovering from seeing Waits two nights in a row and wishing > >he had deviated from the program a little more the second night) Eb wrote: > > But you'll still track down tapes of both nights, right? The first night (12 Oct) will suffice. Better performance (he seemed tired and strained the second night.) His raps and audience asides were scripted and the setlists were samey, so one night'll be plenty. Got a copy? That's right, you don't like live tapes. Man, you're missing out on killer versions of Jockey Full Of Bourbon, Cemetary Polka, Gun St. Girl, etc., etc...Here's hoping for a live CD of this tour! That way I can give ol' Tom more $$$ to shop with at Neiman-Marcus (he was spotted doing just that here in Denver.) /hal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:53:32 -0600 From: hal brandt Subject: still a mystery > >> Eb, still puzzled why the opening of Mystery Men was perceived as an > >> "event" by the list > > > >Comic books, Tom Waits, William H. Macy, J. Garafolo...not that far of a > >stretch to realize that folks here might have had an interest in a movie > >with all those elements > > Ehhh, not good enough. I mean, I adore Waits (and like Macy and Stiller, > too) and I wasn't motivated to see the film at all. You asked why it was an "event" for the list (was it?) Not why it was a non-event for you. /hal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:51:49 -0400 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: Belated RIP Member of Blotto Found Dead On the morning of October 3, Blotto bassist Cheese Blotto, whose real name was Keith Stephenson, was found dead in his truck. Police in Saratoga Springs, New York, discovered Stephenson's body in Spa State Park. Heart trouble, brought on by a liver condition, was likely the cause of Stephenson's death. Upstate New York novelty rock act Blotto gained notoriety in the '80s, most notably for its surf rock song "I Wanna Be A Lifeguard," which featured the profound lyrics "I wanna be a lifeguard/I wanna guard your life." The band's other famous tunes included "She's Got A Big Boyfriend," "My Baby's The Star Of A Driver's Ed Movie" and "Metal Head." Like fellow Empire State power-punkers the Ramones, each member of the band took the surname Blotto. Among Stephenson's band mates were Sarge Blotto, Broadway Blotto, Bowtie Blotto, Blanche Blotto and Lee Harvey Blotto. The independent group broke up in 1984 and reunited in 1987, playing sporadically ever since. In 1983, CMJ said that "If every local scene had its Blotto, we probably wouldn't care if major labels existed or not." > _________________________________________ > Ferris Scott Thomas > programmer > > (860) 409-2612 > McGraw-Hill Technology Division > Farmington, CT > mailto:ferris_thomas@mcgraw-hill.com (work) > mailto:ferris@snet.net (home) > http://pages.cthome.net/hellhollow/ > Find out the cause of this effect, Or rather say, the cause of this defect, For this effect defective comes by cause. Shakespeare. Hamlet, Act ii. Sc. 2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:59:43 -0600 From: hal brandt Subject: Ebert gives Lynch **** http://www.suntimes.com/output/ebert1/strai15f.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:20:45 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: still a mystery >> >Comic books, Tom Waits, William H. Macy, J. Garafolo...not that far of a >> >stretch to realize that folks here might have had an interest in a movie >> >with all those elements >> >> Ehhh, not good enough. I mean, I adore Waits (and like Macy and Stiller, >> too) and I wasn't motivated to see the film at all. > >You asked why it was an "event" for the list (was it?) Not why it was a >non-event for you. Well, I wouldn't guess that comicbook adaptations would be much of a conceptual draw for this list (save Aaron and Terrence), nor do I see many echoes of Garafalo's clichéd Gen X gripes here. Eb, who thinks there's nothing like replacing a vivid, three-dimensional memory of a great concert experience with a faultily recorded, non-visual cassette tape...neat! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:37:47 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: still a mystery In a message dated 10/18/99 2:26:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, gondola@deltanet.com writes: << Eb, who thinks there's nothing like replacing a vivid, three-dimensional memory of a great concert experience with a faultily recorded, non-visual cassette tape...neat! >> As Tears for Fears once said, memories fade ("but the sky still lingers"?? or is that a mondegreen of mine?). I totally agree with you, in principal. In reality, though, I love having boots of good shows . . . especially from that guy. You know, the guy with the email list where people talk about how much he blinks . . . he's, like, quirky and stuff? Yeah, him! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:47:43 -0800 From: Eb Subject: CL Hey Hal...found your blurb on the web: http://www.insidedenver.com/penny/1015penny.shtml Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:08:17 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: still a mystery I should probably send this as a private e-mail, but just in case anybody else is as mystified as Eb seems to be: >Well, I wouldn't guess that comicbook adaptations would be much >of a conceptual draw for this list (save Aaron and Terrence), nor >do I see many echoes of Garafalo's clichéd Gen X gripes here. At the risk of sounding even more smug than Jello Biafra: If you've never read a Flaming Carrot comic book, you probably wouldn't understand. You're probably thinking in terms of lame-o teen-level trash like "X-Men" or "Wolverine" or something like that, right? Flaming Carrot (as well as most of Bob Burden's other stuff) is basically a parody of every comic-book superhero cliche you've ever seen. Personally, I've been distinctly unimpressed by nearly every other comic book I've been exposed to, and that's exactly why I like Flaming Carrot. That's also why I (and dare I say "we") had such high hopes for "Mystery Men." Hollywood has been spewing the same old big-budget live action comic-book trash for years, and just once it would be nice to see something that made fun of all that. It sort of did, and I actually sort of liked the movie somewhat, but it didn't work in the same way or to the same extent. And of course, there was nothing resembling Garafalo's character in the original. (Just as there was no Flaming Carrot in the movie.) As for why Flaming Carrot should appeal to Hitchcock fans, I'd say the question is more like this: How could the concept of a mentally unstable guy who fights crime while wearing a giant burning rubber carrot on his head NOT appeal to Hitchcock fans? I ask you! >...thinks there's nothing like replacing a vivid, three- >dimensional memory of a great concert experience with a >faultily recorded, non-visual cassette tape...neat! Hey, I agree, it *is* neat! But is your memory really that good? Scary. Btw, properly recorded tapes are usually better... And just remember, some of us don't get out much. JH3, who could *easily* get to Wisconsin from here in his John Deere 4300 (now with powered 9" auger attachment!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:54:59 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: cultural iconography JH3: >If you've never read a Flaming Carrot comic book, you probably >wouldn't understand. You're probably thinking in terms of lame-o >teen-level trash like "X-Men" or "Wolverine" or something like that, >right? Flaming Carrot (as well as most of Bob Burden's other stuff) >is basically a parody of every comic-book superhero cliche you've >ever seen. Ohhh, so it's a *parody* of comic-book superheroes. How...exciting. How...revolutionary. Yeah, it's about time someone dared to challenge that sacred institution. No wonder the film struck such a resonant chord with the frustrated, Superman-weary masses. Long live the new regime! Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:26:08 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: cultural iconography JH3: >>If you've never read a Flaming Carrot comic book, you probably >>wouldn't understand. You're probably thinking in terms of lame-o >>teen-level trash like "X-Men" or "Wolverine" or something like that, >>right? Flaming Carrot (as well as most of Bob Burden's other stuff) >>is basically a parody of every comic-book superhero cliche you've >>ever seen. His Ebness ebbed ebbingly: >Ohhh, so it's a *parody* of comic-book superheroes. How...exciting. >How...revolutionary. Yeah, it's about time someone dared to challenge that >sacred institution. No wonder the film struck such a resonant chord with >the frustrated, Superman-weary masses. Long live the new regime! Flaming Carrot, like The Tick and Reid Flemming (World's Toughest Milkman), are fun because they are flawed, but compelling characters. They depend on good writing, or they couldn't sustain a full series. My ebbometer isn't working right now to measure the sarcasm was in the response. I should say that the last few FC's I bought aren't very good. One of the tolerable-but-not-so-good things about the movie was that it bore no resemblance to the comic book, except that in retrospect, Dr. Heller really is the character that Tom Waits made him. He even looks like him. It was enjoyable the moment I did suspend my preconceptions about it. I enjoyed _Mystery Men_ about as much as I enjoyed the South Park movie, which is to say: a lot. Not perfect, but funny. It feels like scrubbing a cheese grater across all of my gutty-wutts to say that I would express my feelings toward _Fight Club_ in a similar way as Eb. It almost doesn't matter about how great the flick, or even how funny it is, I really have no desire to see it. Hope you are all enjoying something right now. Best, - -Markg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 21:38:40 -0500 From: steve Subject: Princess Mononoke again (NR) As I feared, Miramax seems to be opening Princess Mononoke on the art house circuit. (I wonder if Disney wants to preclude any unfavorable comparisons). Miramax has a pretty nice website at: http://www.princess-mononoke.com There are a couple of related books in stores now: Hayao Miyazaki: Master of Japanese Animation - Helen McCarthy Princess Mononoke: The Art and Making of Japan's Most Popular Film of All Time - Studio Ghibli, translation by Mark Schilling October 29 - -------------------- New York - Angelika Los Angeles - Sunset, Monica (Santa Monica) Chicago - McClurg Court Boston - Coolidge Corner November 5 - --------------------- Philadelphia - Riverview SF/Oakland/San Jose - Embarcadero, Camera One (San Jose) Washington - Inner Circle Dallas - Inwood Detroit - Maple (Bloomfield Hill) Houston - Greenway Atlanta - Garden Hills Minneapolis/St. Paul - Uptown Seattle/Tacoma - Pacific Place St. Louis - Frontenac Sacramento/Stockton - Downtown 14 Phoenix - Camel View Denver - Mayan San Diego - Hillcrest November 12 - ------------------------ Minneapolis/St. Paul - Lagoon November 19 - ------------------------ Cleveland - Cedar Lee Portland - Koin ____________________ ...Apple is the tail that wags the Wintel dog. - Herb Bethoney, PC Week ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 22:12:55 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: cultural iconography Mark_Gloster@3com.com wrote: > It feels like scrubbing a cheese grater across all of my gutty-wutts to > say that I would express my feelings toward _Fight Club_ in a similar way > as Eb. It almost doesn't matter about how great the flick, or even how > funny it is, I really have no desire to see it. See, this I don't understand. If something is good, then I want to see it or hear it or whatever. Of course, I'll form my own opinion once I have seen said movie. But it just doesn't make any sense to me to say that even if a movie is kick ass, you still don't want to see it...unless, you have moral issues that keep you from seeing R rated movies or something. Joel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:36:49 -0700 From: "Chris!" Subject: Re: cultural iconography Joel Mullins wrote: > > Mark_Gloster@3com.com wrote: > > > It feels like scrubbing a cheese grater across all of my gutty-wutts to > > say that I would express my feelings toward _Fight Club_ in a similar way > > as Eb. It almost doesn't matter about how great the flick, or even how > > funny it is, I really have no desire to see it. > > See, this I don't understand. If something is good, then I want to see > it or hear it or whatever. Of course, I'll form my own opinion once I > have seen said movie. But it just doesn't make any sense to me to say > that even if a movie is kick ass, you still don't want to see > it...unless, you have moral issues that keep you from seeing R rated > movies or something. > Have to step in and say that I feel Mark's pain. I have no urge in the slightest to see a movie about any sort of males fighting (unless it has a guy named Jim and Marlin Perkins [sp?] in it narrating). I mean if I wanted to see males fight, there is Cool Hand Luke, and I cannot see how anything could be added to such a concept after that. Of course, you're saying this is different, completely. But, I just don't see me anywhere near it no matter what the reviews anywhere say. Even if it was free. Really. .chris (two days in the box) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 22:54:04 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: cultural iconography Chris! wrote: > Have to step in and say that I feel Mark's pain. I have no urge in the > slightest to see a movie about any sort of males fighting Fight Club is not about males fighting and the actual fight scenes don't comprise *that* much of the movie. But I don't really care who goes to see it. Joel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 22:00:10 +0000 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: fight club again My first review did not give the movie justice, since I am not the best at reviews, and I don't want to give the twists away! I think it was the best movie I have seen all year. It may go up in my list of all time favorites. I though it was flawless. The ending frame made me laugh even harder. (It was easy to miss, so if you go see the film, don't blink during the last second of the film.) I personally hate to deconstruct films, but those of you who are into that kind of thing, this film will make your day. No, the fighting is pretty minimal - that really isn't what the movie is about, except figuratively. The fight isn't really male on male, but I won't say more so as not to spoil any fun. Hey, I am a woman and don't really want to see just a bunch of guys fighting.....well, that's not really true....I liked Rocky 1. And even as a woman, the way the fighting is presented, i could relate to. But if I tell you why, I, again will be spoiling the film. Too many spoilers to actually do a proper review!!! This movie has a few twists that really kept me guessing. I watch PBS mysteries amd usually know who done it, but was surprised by this one. My husband said "this movie kind of takes you where The Usual Suspects wanted to take you, and then went there". Now I don't know exactly what he ment by that, but I though it was worth repeating anyway, since maybe someone else understands what he ment. I think if you are a movie buff, who enjoys The Godfather, Dirty Harry and Dr Strangelove, you will be sorry to miss this film! My endorsement!!!! Female fighter Eleanore Joel Mullins wrote: > Chris! wrote: > > > Have to step in and say that I feel Mark's pain. I have no urge in the > > slightest to see a movie about any sort of males fighting > > Fight Club is not about males fighting and the actual fight scenes don't > comprise *that* much of the movie. But I don't really care who goes to > see it. > > Joel - -- "Baby Steps.....Baby Steps......Look I'm sailing!" - - Bill Murray, in What About Bob http://www.loomer.com/el ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:08:38 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: cultural iconography >>...You're probably thinking in terms of lame-o >>teen-level trash like "X-Men" or "Wolverine" or something like that, >>right? Flaming Carrot (as well as most of Bob Burden's other stuff) >>is basically a parody of every comic-book superhero cliche you've >>ever seen. >Ohhh, so it's a *parody* of comic-book superheroes. Actually, I wrote that it was a parody of comic book superhero *cliches.* None of the characters in Flaming Carrot comics are parodies in and of themselves. Moreover, that isn't what makes the stuff worth reading, for me at least; it's the sheer silliness of it all that does that. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. >How...exciting. How...revolutionary. Yeah, it's about time someone >dared to challenge that sacred institution. Assuming you mean "within the exact same medium," I'd say you're absolutely right! It always amazed me as well that nobody else had bothered to do that. I mean, go into any comic book shop and tell me how many things on the racks *even now* are conceptually based on the message that comic books (in general) are idiotic. Before Bob Burden started doing Flaming Carrot, I'd guess that the number was close to zero. On the other hand, I wouldn't stick my neck out to defend Flaming Carrot either; it's just as idiotic as everything else you'll find in a comic book shop (only in a somewhat different way). And Burden would be the first one to tell you that. >No wonder the film struck such a resonant chord with the >frustrated, Superman-weary masses. Yeah, like us fegs! But I'm just glad you've finally found the answer to your original question, Eb. Glad I could help out! >Long live the new regime! Now you're just being sarcastic, aren't you? Good for you, Eb! Keep up the fine work! And while you're at it, be sure you never lose your ability to daringly challenge some of those other sacred institutions like "rock 'n' roll music," "The Sixties," and "frozen seafood." John "Superman-weary" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:22:47 -0500 From: steve Subject: Another NR post If you've been thinking about picking up XTC's Homespun, don't wait too long. TVT will only ship 3,000 more (20,000 total, for the record). It *might* be on sale at the TVT website after that. - - Steve _______________ We're all Jesus, Buddha, and the Wizard of Oz! - Andy Partridge ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #390 *******************************