From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #383 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, October 12 1999 Volume 08 : Number 383 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: musicians/writers [Eric Loehr ] fave site?? [Marcy Tanter ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #382 [Doc ] Workout Music [Michael Wolfe ] Fartin' Binks ["JH3" ] link du jour [dmw ] Re: he/she boxing [Jeff Dwarf ] weird bulletin [Eb ] RIP ["Jason R. Thornton" ] RE: Fartin' Binks ["Bachman, Michael" ] Ogden Nash afoot [Eb ] American Beauty [Joel Mullins ] Re: Ogden Nash afoot ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Oh To Be a Blobel ["JH3" ] Re: American Beauty ["chad leahy" ] Re: American Beauty [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: The upcoming shows on the East Coast [Ethyl Ketone ] Re: musicians who write [James Dignan ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #382 [James Dignan ] Musicians who write [shmac@ix.netcom.com (Scott Hunter McCleary)] Re: musicians who write ["Russ Reynolds" ] RE: Fartin' Binks ["Capitalism Blows" ] completely selfish message from rand ["*twofangs..aka..randi*" ] Philly show... [DDerosa5@aol.com] Before you go and see Dogma [steve ] Re: musicians who write [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Workout Music [Michael R Godwin ] . [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:40:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Loehr Subject: Re: musicians/writers Martin Newell, author of several books of poetry, and regular contributor to The Independant. Also, don't know if anyone has mentioned the Davies brothers -- Ray has two books, and Dave just the one autobiography. Eric, who also has Hank Marvinned. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:46:32 -0600 From: Marcy Tanter Subject: fave site?? Yo guys--how do you vote for your favorite web site? I know they have those things but I don't know how to access....??? Dr. Marcy Tanter "...Nature's self which is the breath of God." - --William Wordsworth, _The Prelude_, Book V, line 221 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:02:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Doc Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #382 >On a related note a friend of mine is writing an article about rock >musicians who have published prose/poetry, especially novels, and I >said that this list would be a good place to garner info. Any >suggestions? - -Pete Townshend, "The Horses' Neck". Not novels, but a damn fine collection of short stories. - -There's a couple of volumes of Leonard Cohen poetry out there. I think Lou Reed's done the same, but I can't remember the name of the volumes. - -Charlie Higson (of the BBC series "The Fast Show", and the band The Higsons sung about by some guy who's got this hen eyeball fixation) published a novel about two years ago. Came out about a month before I left the UK. - -I'd wager there's a volume or two of Patti Smith poetry out there - -Mason Williams wrote a book in the late 60's called "The FCC Report", I think. He was the head writer for the Smothers Brothers show and the composer of "Classical Gas". I remember listening to "The Mason Williams Ear Show" when I was a little kid. - -Henry Rollins has written a few volumes of poetry, short stories, novels, and non-fiction. - -Frank Zappa wrote an article about the dumbing down of America that was supposed to be printed in "Time" magazine, but was ditched because it was a bit too abrasive. It was re-printed in the liner notes for the "You Are What You Is" re-release... Blah-blah-woof-woof... - -Doc __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:00:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Wolfe Subject: Workout Music Compilations of music, compiled for the purpose of working out to, are completely unnecessary. All you need is a single album. I will now impart to you the name of this album. Stop Making Sense, The Special New Edition My college chum Pat was in town visiting me this weekend, and we caught the re-release of this wonderful film. It was, without question, amazing to see on the big screen. I've had the video for some time now, but to see it in a darkened theater with all those other people, with David Byrne's suit TRULY larger than life, well, was quite an event. Afterwards, we went to Michael Keefe's record store, Discover Music (which is what they're referring to when they say "at fine record stores everywhere") and I got a copy of the new soundtrack. The new soundtrack is quite a faithful recording of the film, too. Pretty much everything in the projected version of the film is included, except for the band introductions in Take Me to the River. Of course, the video has Big Business, I Zimbra, and Cities, all of which are great, too, and would make fine workout songs, were they included. Watching the film though, one immediately realizes how David Byrne got so gaunt. He's in motion throughout the whole film, an hour and a half of jumping, wobbling, jogging, and rocking. And you get the impression that it simply could not be any other way - -- the music simply wouldn't allow just standing still. That's why it would make such a good workout album. "Exuberant" is a word that is used in every single description of this film, and for good reason. What strikes me is how much of a risk there is in this. If you're walking down the street, and you pass by someone who's just singing to himself happily, oblivious to the world, you might think, "what a nut!" Similarly, in art (and especially music) the expression of joy and of celebration can leave you exposed if you don't quite pull it off. Ironic detachment is so much easier -- it doesn't tell people where you are, just where you are not. That's what's so amazing about this film; even if you don't like the music for whatever reason, the sentiment and the energy behind it are unassailable. It manages to divorce itself of irony, and yet it can't be accused of naivety. I find its complete lack of bitterness quite refreshing. O.K., and if you need one last reason for it as a workout album, four words: Burning Down the House - -Michael Wolfe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:30:32 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Fartin' Binks >how about movies about playwrights? because, you >know, Barton Fink is a movie about a playwright. Y'know, I only recently figured this out: In "Miller's Crossing" John Turturro plays a guy who sells out his boss, Jon Polito, to a rival, Albert Finney; hence, a "fink"! And when he finally gets it in the end, it's at his apartment house, the "Barton Arms." So he's the "Barton Fink"! That must be why they named Turturro's character that in their next movie! (After all, how else would you come up with a name like "Barton Fink"?) That's probably common knowledge to your average Coen- head, but I thought I was fairly clever for figuring it out on my own. >Okay. Okay. Okay. *FINE*. >So _The Soft Bulletin_, as it turns out, does sorta kinda >kick ass and stuff. >Damn it. But do you ever hear ME saying "I told you so"? (No, of course not... tee hee.) Back to reality, John H. Hedges III, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:45:26 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: link du jour the following link has been tested by the pathetic caverns commision, and independent group of researchers, and found to be workplace-safe. no warranty is expressed or implied. http://ofb.net/8ball/procedure.html - -- d. - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:17:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: he/she boxing Russ Reynolds wrote: > If I'm this guy I'm thinking about a career change right about > now. > > http://espn.go.com/boxing/news/1999/1009/106430.html except he's actually a jockey, not a boxer..... when was the last time you got paid $1500 for something you had no ability at whatsoever? the real idiots are the morons who paid to see the "fight". ===== "America's greatest natural resource, still, to this day, is the moron" --Martin Mull __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:25:33 -0800 From: Eb Subject: weird bulletin Rumors flying everywhere that his Royal Bawbness is doing a cameo on tomorrow night's Dharma & Greg? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:34:52 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: RIP Milt Jackson. :( - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:43:21 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Fartin' Binks - -----Original Message----- From: JH3 [mailto:jh3@netins.net] Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 3:31 PM To: Feg on my face Subject: Fartin' Binks >how about movies about playwrights? because, you >know, Barton Fink is a movie about a playwright. >Y'know, I only recently figured this out: In "Miller's Crossing" >John Turturro plays a guy who sells out his boss, Jon Polito, >to a rival, Albert Finney; hence, a "fink"! And when he finally >.gets it in the end, it's at his apartment house, the "Barton >Arms." So he's the "Barton Fink"! That must be why they >named Turturro's character that in their next movie! (After >all, how else would you come up with a name like "Barton >Fink"?) Actually, Jon gets bumped off by John in Gabriel Byrne's apartment, then Gabriel bumps of the schmatta (John Turturro) in the same apartment after the "look into your heart" fails in the second try. >That's probably common knowledge to your average Coen- >head, but I thought I was fairly clever for figuring it out on >my own. >Okay. Okay. Okay. *FINE*. >So _The Soft Bulletin_, as it turns out, does sorta kinda >kick ass and stuff. >Damn it. But do you ever hear ME saying "I told you so"? (No, of course not... tee hee.) Back to reality, John H. Hedges III, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:19:35 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Ogden Nash afoot You gotta be kidding me...Blobel wins the Nobel? Eb, hoping the two have different pronunciation stresses ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:12:07 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: American Beauty I saw American Beauty over the weekend and it kicks ass! It's by far the best movie I've seen this year! Granted, I haven't seen a hell of a lot of movies this year, but I really loved this one. I've been itching to see it again and probably will this weekend. Joel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:31:24 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Ogden Nash afoot At 02:19 PM 10/11/99 -0800, Eb wrote: >You gotta be kidding me...Blobel wins the Nobel? And Blemmy wins the Emmy. And Bloscar winds the Oscar. And Blammy wins the Grammy. And Blemteeveemusicaward wins the MTV Music Award. - --Blason Blornton "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:45:03 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Oh To Be a Blobel >>You gotta be kidding me...Blobel wins the Nobel? Don't be so surprised. Guenter Blobel has the best hair in all of Modern Science. (Not saying much, I'll admit...) >And Blemmy wins the Emmy. And Bloscar winds the Oscar. >And Blammy wins the Grammy. And Blemteeveemusicaward >wins the MTV Music Award. And Baloney wins the Tony! There's a Philip K. Dick story entitled "Oh, To Be a Blobel" - Apparently, Blobels are hassock-sized gelatinous creatures from Ganymede, or some place like that. I might have to read the story again, since I keep missing key details, such as in this case: >Actually, Jon gets bumped off by John in Gabriel Byrne's >apartment, then Gabriel bumps of the schmatta (John >Turturro) in the same apartment after the "look into your >heart" fails in the second try. That was *his* apartment? I guess I'll just have to watch the whole friggin' thing again! John H. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:54:37 -0500 From: "chad leahy" Subject: Re: American Beauty Joel wrote: >I saw American Beauty over the weekend and it kicks ass! It's by far >the best movie I've seen this year! Granted, I haven't seen a hell of a >lot of movies this year, but I really loved this one. I've been itching >to see it again and probably will this weekend. i saw it as well and have to agree with you. wonderful film. chad m. leahy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:32:52 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: American Beauty In a message dated 10/11/99 2:24:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, skmull@swbell.net writes: << I saw American Beauty over the weekend and it kicks ass! It's by far the best movie I've seen this year! Granted, I haven't seen a hell of a lot of movies this year, but I really loved this one. I've been itching to see it again and probably will this weekend. >> I liked it a lot, too . . . but I thought that it wasn't without fault. I won't go into spoiler-type detail about what these faults were. But I thought it could've focued eithe rmore or less on Spacey's character. It wasn't clear whether or not it was about him or about him, his family and a few other people. Liz thought they made him out to be heroic (which bugged her), but I didn't necessarily think so. Although I can see that as being a byproduct of him being the central "protagonist" (I guess) as well as the occasional narrator. But I think it was supposed to be a more objective slice of life. We both thought that Annette Benning's character lacked some dimensionality, which was sad. That, too, may have added to Spacey's character being a little overly central. Anyway, I thought it was beautifully filmed and well-paced and would give it good marks in the noir category. And Spacey's acting was very good. Oh, another slight criticism: the movie had a little bit of a gleen to it that made it seem slightly apart from reality and slightly Edward Scissorhands-ish. And there was some archetypalnees to some of the characters. These aspects made it seem a little too much like a fable at times and distanced me slightly form the film. It gets compared to "The Ice Strom" a lot; I don't think it quite measured up to that, but it also had some nice other things to offer. Like Joel, I haven't seen very many movies this year (especially compared to how many I used to see), but "Sixth Sense" is still my favorite of '99 (was that an aside?). Despite all that, I'd still highly recommend "American Beauty" -- plenty of good stuff and lots to talk about with friends and/or S.O.'s. - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:07:22 -0400 From: Ethyl Ketone Subject: Re: The upcoming shows on the East Coast I thought about it and after hearing the mention of Sweets opening for Robyn (I remember that tour now) I thought that it was probably a favor and a surprise and that's one of the reasons it's not advertised. Like he said to Matthew - "well, I'll be in the area, want me to show up and bring a lobster?" or something like that... And I really don't think he's been holding his breath for me to get here but you just never know. ;-) Be Seeing (some of) You (soon), - - carrie At 10:02 AM -0700 10/11/99, Tom Clark wrote: >On 10/9/99 11:57 PM, Capitalism Blows wrote: > >> kind of weird that robyn has to play an opening date in philly >>on an otherwise headlining tour, isn't it? > >FWIW, Mattew Sweet is a Philly native, so maybe Robyn's a 'special guest' >at his gig. > >-tc "Questions are a burden for others. Answers are a prison for oneself." **************************************************************************** M.E.Ketone/C.Galbraith meketone@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:14:57 -0400 From: Ethyl Ketone Subject: Re: American Beauty At 07:32 PM -0400 10/11/99, MARKEEFE@aol.com wrote: It wasn't clear whether or not it was about him or about him, his family and a >few other people. Liz thought they made him out to be heroic (which bugged >her), but I didn't necessarily think so. Although I can see that as being a >byproduct of him being the central "protagonist" (I guess) as well as the >occasional narrator. But I think it was supposed to be a more objective >slice of life. We both thought that Annette Benning's character lacked some >dimensionality, which was sad. That, too, may have added to Spacey's >character being a little overly central. Anyway, I thought it was >beautifully filmed and well-paced and would give it good marks in the noir >category. And Spacey's acting was very good. Oh, another slight criticism: >the movie had a little bit of a gleen to it that made it seem slightly apart >from reality and slightly Edward Scissorhands-ish. And there was some >archetypalnees to some of the characters. These aspects made it seem a >little too much like a fable at times and distanced me slightly form the >film. This touches on some of the feelings I had about the film. Funny the Edward Scissorhands comment - I got a whiff of the Annetter Benning "Mars Attacks" character from her performance in this as well as felt her character was thin. Chris Cooper stunned me - by taking an possible one sided character and giving it an immense amount of compassion and ambiguity. The idea of Spaceys character being a bit too over central bothered me more in retrospect than when watching. But I found annoyance about how his decisions seemed to dictate the fate of the family, how they "reacted" to him more than individuals should but hey, I've never been married so what do I know about those kinds of marriage/family dynamics??? Excellent viewing, nicely crafted, and I'll be seeing it a second time. Be Seeing You, - - carrie "Questions are a burden for others. Answers are a prison for oneself." **************************************************************************** M.E.Ketone/C.Galbraith meketone@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:18:26 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: musicians who write >normal@grove.ufl.edu wrote: >> >> And there's a band whose name I forget that includes Dave Barry and >> Stephen King... Michael Moorcock was also in a band, and wrote lyrics for both Hawkwind and Blue Oyster Cult. James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:20:26 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #382 must...scrolll...dowwwn...firssst... Ignore the last message. sigh. James ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 00:32:39 -0400 From: shmac@ix.netcom.com (Scott Hunter McCleary) Subject: Musicians who write Another comes to mind: Michael Nesmith, whose "The Long Sandy Hair of Neftoon Zamora" I actually borrowed and read this last summer. I'd read a lot of really gushy reviews and just couldn't believe it was as good as advertised. It was pretty good, except Haruki Murakami already wrote it -- a lot better. Really -- anyone who knows any of Murakami's work (=b) would get part-way into this and think, "I smell the Sheep Man." Dancu Dancu Dancu, Scott ========= SH McCleary Prodigal Dog Communications Arlington, VA 22206 shmac@prodigaldog.com www.prodigaldog.com www.1480kHz.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:44:36 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: musicians who write >>On a related note a friend of mine is writing an article about rock >>musicians who have published prose/poetry, especially novels, and I said >>that this list would be a good place to garner info. Any suggestions? I work with one. Greg Kihn's 4th horror novel will be out soon. - -rUss helluva game tonight in Cleveland, eh? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:20:06 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: RE: Fartin' Binks < >Y'know, I only recently figured this out: In "Miller's Crossing" >John Turturro plays a guy who sells out his boss, Jon Polito, >to a rival, Albert Finney; hence, a "fink"! And when he finally >.gets it in the end, it's at his apartment house, the "Barton >Arms." So he's the "Barton Fink"! That must be why they >named Turturro's character that in their next movie! (After >all, how else would you come up with a name like "Barton >Fink"?) Actually, Jon gets bumped off by John in Gabriel Byrne's apartment, then Gabriel bumps of the schmatta (John Turturro) in the same apartment after the "look into your heart" fails in the second try.> moreover, polito is not turturro's boss. and he doesn't sell him out to finney, he sells him out (i guess you could say) to out-of-town money. though *byrne* fingers turturro to get in good with polito. perhaps that was what you were thiking of. watch it enough times, and you'll eventually come to realise there are some pretty gargantuan holes in the plot. not to say it ain't a great movie. but i don't think it merits the "A+" michael wolfe has given it. "Without the WTO and its rules, we would be reduced to having the law of the jungle." --Patty Murray, United States Senator ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 02:40:03 -0400 From: "*twofangs..aka..randi*" Subject: completely selfish message from rand Hi. Short and sweet ... D-day procedure begins at 10:30 Toronto time .... This will enable the next step to come into clearer focus for both me and my doctors. So - if anyone gets this - send ** powerful "don't be scared randi" and "it's not as painful as you think" vibes** my way. Thanks everyone, Love Randi 1-416-440-1309 p.s. -- I'll get Tim to post as soon as we get results - - or maybe {hopefully} it will be me :-} ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:44:10 EDT From: DDerosa5@aol.com Subject: apropos of nuttin... SO I just saw the film The Limey, which I recommend highly. If not for Terence Stamp's fine performance and some needlessly beautifully clever editing by Soderburgh, then also because it makes a subplot of the slang he uses. Three times he uses that rhyming slang, and then needs to explain it to people, including going "to have a butchers around the house." Best line? After he gives a long and fabulous monologue to a DEA agent, the response comes "There's one thing I don't understand: Every fucking word you just said." Soderburgh's films rarely seem deep to me, though I'm a big fan of his pretentious and color coded Kafka, but every one of them bears repeated watching. And, has anyone else seen the trailer for Spike Jonze's movie Being John Malkovitch? Viv, this has you written all over it...it looks inexplicable, funny, and the best substitute for a Terry Gilliam film anytime soon. off to make a tape of the Chicago in-store for Randi, dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 01:07:22 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: RE : Re: musicians who write Roky Erickson--Openers Exene Cervenka (X)--Virtual Unreality + probably others Bob Dylan--Tarantula Yoko Ono--Grapefruit + probably others Frank Zappa--Them or Us (the Book) Lou Reed--Between Thought and Expression Dan Bern--Ted the Cow Laurie Anderson--Puppet Motel & the Nerve Bible Henry Rollins--Black Coffeee Blues etc., etc... + non-fiction (technically) Ray Manzarek (Doors) John Densmore_(Doors) George Harrison Bob Geldoff _________________________________________________ >Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 02:17:20 -0800 >From: Eb >Subject: Re: musicians who write > >>Joel Mullins wrote: >>> >>> Jim Morrison (another obvious one) >>> Nick Cave published a novel >> >>Don't forget Julian Cope > >I do my best.... > >Pete Townshend >Ray Davies >Jimmy Buffett >Kinky Friedman >Leonard Cohen >Richard Farina >Charles Mingus > >Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 04:11:13 EDT From: DDerosa5@aol.com Subject: Philly show... Hye, I just realized I'm gonna be within spitting distance of Philadelphia around the time of the Robyn show--it's the night before my brother's wedding but hell, it's not like I need practice or anything. Is anyone there getting tickets that I could meet? Are tickets available yet, given that the venue is in doubt? I'm gonna try to convince my brother and his fiance to come, so I'll get back to whomever answers me about number. And whoever helps me out gets a copy of There's a Girl in my Soup by Raymond Hitchcock, or a 7" of America with Robyn wearing the ugliest jacket ever, or a big hug--your choice. Email me privately unless the answer is real interesting... dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 08:55:43 -0500 From: steve Subject: Before you go and see Dogma http://www.tfp.org/ - - Steve P.S. I found this link at Mired, which is a pretty fun site in itself. http://www.mired.com/ _______________ We're all Jesus, Buddha, and the Wizard of Oz! - Andy Partridge ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:54:30 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: musicians who write I recently read a book of memoirs by Zoot Horn Rollo (real name Bill Harkleroad) entitled 'Lunar Notes'. - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:02:09 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Workout Music On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Michael Wolfe wrote: > O.K., and if you need one last reason for it as a workout album, > four words: Burning Down the House I thought that was by Tom Jones! <-: - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:37:59 -0800 From: Eb Subject: . Just thinking of Randi right now.... Eb ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #383 *******************************