From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #381 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, October 10 1999 Volume 08 : Number 381 Today's Subjects: ----------------- green boys and doggy books [Natalie Jacobs ] Re: green boys and doggy books [Eb ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #379 [James Dignan ] Re: Fashionable Ferndale [Eleanore Adams ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #379 [Jason Thornton ] he/she boxing ["Russ Reynolds" ] new promo item ["Russ Reynolds" ] a spoonful weighs a ton ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: The upcoming shows on the East Coast ["Capitalism Blows" ] Re: new promo item [Eb ] musicians-who-write-about-painters-who-cook ["jbranscombe@compuserve.com"] blegvad ["jbranscombe@compuserve.com" ] Re: The upcoming shows on the East Coast [Ethyl Ketone ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:54:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: green boys and doggy books > Here are some (incomplete) lyrics for Robyn's new song "The Green Boy" > as performed for the first time @ Largo [26 Aug 99]. Weird. Peter Blegvad also has a song called "The Green Boy." It's about a boy who claims to be the son of a tree, and is sentenced to death for fucking a tree (a different one? the same one? Blegvad is unclear). In the end, all the jeering spectators are transformed into trees themselves, through the intervention of the boy's father, "the gallows tree." I *told* you Peter Blegvad was the American Robyn. But you didn't believe me, did you? I just spent a wad of birthday cash on fegbooks to read on the trip to Portland: Jeff Noon, "Vurt" (recommended by the Quail and others) Kirsten Bakis, "Lives of the Monster Dogs" (recommended by Viv) Karen Elizabeth Gordon, "Out of the Loud Hound of Darkness" (recommended by Scary Mary) Sort of an unintentional canine slant to that selection, but never mind. Thanks to She.Rex for maintaining the fegbook page. n. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:19:49 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: green boys and doggy books Gnat: >> Here are some (incomplete) lyrics for Robyn's new song "The Green Boy" > >Weird. Peter Blegvad also has a song called "The Green Boy." Surprised you didn't mention a certain recent XTC song, as well.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:32:00 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #379 >>fun at ('to take the mickey' is the less scatological version). But to bust >>one's balls is means to work extremely hard at something. > >Actually... if you're busting your OWN balls, then you're working very >hard at something. erm... that's what to bust one's balls means then, we're in agreement. "one's" in the sense of belonging to oneself. One wouldn't use "one's" if one was referring to someone else, one would say "someone's", wouldn't one? James (perplexed again. Does "one's" mean "someone else's" in the US?) PS -Yay Jeff! Yay Jonah!Yay Byron! See yez in the final for the rematch, England? James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 15:53:48 +0000 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: Fashionable Ferndale I remember the Magic Bag! Gosh, it has been many years. It is still there? And Fernadale is Fashonable?!? That may be questionable..... a feg far from home..... eleanore Fpaux@aol.com wrote: > > I need feg help. I am looking for a ride from the Detroit area to Chicago > for the Nov. 10th show. > Also, I am wondering if anyone will be at the Ferndale show on Nov. 6th. > Since Ferndale is my hometown, (I live exactly 6 blocks from the Magic Bag) > I'd be happy to play hostess to anyfeg from, near or far. > Carissa - -- "Baby Steps.....Baby Steps......Look I'm sailing!" - - Bill Murray, in What About Bob http://www.loomer.com/el ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 18:37:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Thornton Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #379 At 10:32 AM 10/10/99 +1300, James Dignan wrote: >>>fun at ('to take the mickey' is the less scatological version). But to bust >>>one's balls is means to work extremely hard at something. >> >>Actually... if you're busting your OWN balls, then you're working very >>hard at something. > >erm... that's what to bust one's balls means then, we're in agreement. >"one's" in the sense of belonging to oneself. One wouldn't use "one's" if >one was referring to someone else, one would say "someone's", wouldn't one? I'm sorry, James... I thought you were saying that the phrase "bust... balls" would *only* be used in reference to one's own balls, and thus would *only* be used to mean "work very hard at something." But, flipping back through the feg-mail, I see now what your were addressing: <<<...the closest i can think of is "busting [one's] balls", and that is hardly an expression i would mind never hearing again. or "yanking his chain".>>> I'm betting the original author meant all the various permutations of "busting... balls" here. But I could be wrong. But, I didn't take careful note of the quoted text when responding to you. My bad. >James (perplexed again. Does "one's" mean "someone else's" in the US?) No. But "someone else's" does occasionally mean "one's, but too embarrassed to admit it." >PS -Yay Jeff! Yay Jonah!Yay Byron! See yez in the final for the rematch, >England? OK, yeah... well now I'm perplexed. Birds in perplex, - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 22:51:10 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: he/she boxing If I'm this guy I'm thinking about a career change right about now. http://espn.go.com/boxing/news/1999/1009/106430.html - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 23:03:04 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: new promo item saw this on eBay: >This new U.S. radio promo CD contains two previously unreleased Robyn >Hitchcock songs, "I Saw Nick Drake" (3:58) & "Jesus & Me" (4:28). It also >includes 2 songs from his latest album "Viva Sea-Tac" & "Jewels For >Sophia." CD comes in a plain black cardboard sleeve with song listing >sticker on front and U.S. tour date sticker on rear. Shipping $1.00 for >U.S. residents, a bit more for foreign air mail. Check or money order OK. >Five day auction with no reserve! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=177506196 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 02:06:41 -0400 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: a spoonful weighs a ton Okay. Okay. Okay. *FINE*. So _The Soft Bulletin_, as it turns out, does sorta kinda kick ass and stuff. Damn it. But I *still* don't like "Race for the Prize"! So there. >From: Eb [new High Llamas] >As for the album itself, it's the same old thing. The Llamas have done >better, they've done worst. I will say this: If you're one of those who >didn't like all the Stereolab-isms on Cold & Bouncy, you'll be pleased to >know that those effects are entirely gone on Snowbug. This one sounds more >like Hawaii. However, as with recent Stereolab, there's plenty of rhythmic >vibraphone. Plus, Stereolab's Laetitia and Mary do lots of guest vocals >(good, because O'Hagan's voice is the Llamas' biggest liability). Hmmm. Well, most of this news sounds good. But I actually like Sean O'Hagan's voice, and I'm not very fond of Laetitia's at all. Unless I'm not very fond of Mary's. However , that one 'lab ditty is sorta kinda sticking in my head to a disturbing degree. I really do not want to be forced to like Stereolab after all. Don't make me. >Oh, and be advised that I got the new album by some dude named "Mommus" >(sp?) a couple of days ago. Haven't played it yet. Well, he's not gay, I can tell you that, whoever he is. I still have kind of mixed feelings about it. I think I heard the best tracks too early. >np: Cocteau Twins/BBC Sessions I narrowly avoided shelling out $25 for this today. Instead I came home with the Red House Painters retrospective, the aforementioned Flaming Lips album, the new Gus Gus, and 69 Love Songs volume 1. *And* I narrowly avoided coughing up for the XTC _Homespun_ demos. But how long can I hold out? >From: "Capitalism Blows" > > > >how about movies about playwrights? because, you know, Barton Fink is a >movie about a playwright. Not only have I never seen _Barton Fink_, but I still haven't gotten around to seeing _Shakespeare in Love_. But crossing the lines is fine. Joanna Scott's _Arrogance_ (a novel about a painter) is extraordinary, for example. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, wyrd@rochester.rr.com http://home.rochester.rr.com/wyrd/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 23:57:03 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: The upcoming shows on the East Coast dunno whether or not he's a fan, but he opened for robyn on the PERSPEX ISLAND tour. kind of weird that robyn has to play an opening date in philly on an otherwise headlining tour, isn't it? and are homer playing their own set that night? anyway, theater of the living arts is serviced by ticketweb.com, whereas the troc is serviced by shitfaced cockmasterimean ticketmaster. so we've got that going for us. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 00:08:19 -0700 From: "Chris!" Subject: Re: new promo item Russ Reynolds wrote: > > saw this on eBay: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=177506196 And the bidding is 51.00 dollars! Wrong Wrong Wrong!!! And I see a name there that might be familiar, too! Crazy, I say. Really, when will the music consumer learn that all of this stuff will get released at some point in a format that is relatively low priced? Yes, there are some exceptions to this rule. Only collector scum really care at a certain point. Of course, I was guilty of such sins once, but I have seen the light. Mainly because I have been stung by one too many re-issues, re-pressing, re-release, re-packaging, and so on. There is help John... Also, almost all of the Hitchcock items cannot be touted as rare in most cases. Wait a few weeks and this will show up like many of the others. In fact, I just saw a dozen or so "Rout Out the Clones" at Ameoba tonight. .chris (who begs the insanity to stop, except when I unload all my records, then I can begin again) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 00:57:05 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: new promo item >saw this on eBay: > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=177506196 Speaking of promo items, I was fiddling around with Ebay a couple of nights ago, and discovered that there was an Imagination-era promotional CD featuring a Brian Wilson interview conducted by Peter Buck! Damn! Sure wish I could hear that. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 08:12:11 -0400 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: musicians-who-write-about-painters-who-cook Drew wrote: >I also hate novels about writers and plays about actors< You may have a point, but some of my favourite novels are about painters. William Gaddis's, The Recognitions; Joyce Carey's, The Horse's Mouth and Alisdair Gray's, Lanark for example. On a related note a friend of mine is writing an article about rock musicians who have published prose/poetry, especially novels, and I said that this list would be a good place to garner info. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. jmbc. P.S. Cambridge set-list still at work. Aaargh. On a related note ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 08:26:26 -0400 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: blegvad Natalie wrote >I told you Peter Blegvad was the American Robyn< Well, he's lived in Britain since he was a teenager. He went to the school I went to in North Hertfordshire, but a while before me. That's where he met Anthony Moore with whom he later formed Slapp Happy. He's now 47/48. Syd Straw regularly took the piss out of his 'English' accent when they played a few gigs together earlier this year. I'd say, the way things are going, that Robyn is the American Robyn. jmbc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 09:20:44 -0400 From: Ethyl Ketone Subject: Re: The upcoming shows on the East Coast At 11:57 PM -0700 10/9/99, Capitalism Blows wrote: kind of weird that robyn has to play an opening date in philly >on an otherwise headlining tour, isn't it? and are homer playing their own >set that night? This is what I thought. And Robyn isn't advertised ANYWHERE. He's not advertised as the opening set in the papers or at TLA at all. I had to ask the woman at the box office and she had to go in back and looked on some kind of master list to confirm whether or not Robyn was playing that night. I found it all pretty stange. She did say that the theater "seats" (standing room show) around 800 so maybe they don't think he would draw that many in Philadelphia? Hey, his name isn't even on the ticket as opening act or anything. Absolutely no mention of TKs band. Strange. I hope he plays more than 6 songs. Be Seeing You, - - c "Questions are a burden for others. Answers are a prison for oneself." **************************************************************************** M.E.Ketone/C.Galbraith meketone@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 09:43:57 -0400 From: Ethyl Ketone Subject: "Art, art for arts sake. I want you to meet my lawyer." At 05:28 PM -0400 10/7/99, dmw wrote: >the problem with popular press discussions of much modern art, especially >conceptual and temporal art, is that the average layperson doesn't have >the framework of cultural knowledge necessary to appreciate the art (or, >arguably, determine its merit or lack thereof). We had a lovely little discussion the other day about a new "idea" or "phrase" used to descibe art that eschews the modern/conceptual/deconstructionist self-referential work of the last many years: "post-ironic" art. Apparently this refers to art being made now that is "sincere" and made for the beauty of the art and not intended to reference anything. The example given was country music. That a whole new generation of people are discovering country music because of the sincerity of the music, not to poke fun at it or mock it (which explains why so many people I am meeting are country music fans I guess). A direct backlash to the conceptual art that is mostly inaccessable to the un art-educated public. Interesting I think. And public finds used to enhance the value of a private collection? I'm looking at this whole controversy as a marketing ploy, a very good one, that brings the value of this collection up immensley. Bad press is good press, right??? My 2 cents. Be Seeing You, - - carrie "Questions are a burden for others. Answers are a prison for oneself." **************************************************************************** M.E.Ketone/C.Galbraith meketone@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:12:53 -0700 From: bibigellert@earthlink.net Subject: Robyn at Echo lounge I'm so happy!! Robyn's not passing Atlanta by. I was really worried that he wasn't coming, and I kept checking the concert listings to see if he had been added. Then a friend of mine told me at the Richard Thompson show that he had heard that Robyn would be at the Echo lounge-so the next day I checked with them, and now I have final confirmation on this list. So if anybody needs directions to the Echo lounge, which is a nice new club in East Atlanta, or wants to meet up-lotsa good bars and restaurants near-email me. Bibi G - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:55:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Thornton Subject: Re: a spoonful weighs a homespun At 02:06 AM 10/10/99 -0400, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > *And* I narrowly avoided coughing >up for the XTC _Homespun_ demos. But how long can I hold out? Hold out forever. You're not missing anything. There's really not anything of interest on it. The demo versions aren't wildly different from the versions AV1, just slightly inferior sounding. The differences are much more subtle than I anticipated - the songs are almost all very well recorded, loaded with multi-tracked vocals and many of the same orchestral samples. I guess I was expecting something at least a little unlike AV1 in some way; differences that would justify a second release of the same material... an album of Andy Partridge on acoustic guitar and cheesey drum machine, or something else along those lines. This is probably one of the most unnecessary albums ever released. If I had a JTscale, "Homespun" would get a score very near the bottom. (Although, if AV1 had never been released, and only "Homespun" had, it would rank quite high.) Interesting notes in the CD booklet, though. And you can make out some of the lyrics a little easier. - --Jason "John Lennon's toothbrush just went for $10,000 on Ebay, while Ringo Starr, the actual drummer from the Beatles, went for a mere $13" Thornton "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #381 *******************************