From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #376 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, October 6 1999 Volume 08 : Number 376 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Yet another goth thread that I didn't start [overbury@cn.ca] Re: it's the arse [Charles Gillett ] Re: Yet another goth thread that I didn't start [Christopher Gross ] Re: Famous Blue Raincoat [Eb ] more, re: hours... [Eb ] Re: more, re: hours... [Bayard ] Re: more, re: hours... [Eb ] Pachyderm dung ["Scott Hunter McCleary" ] "dead links"...how appropriate! ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] oh yeah...speaking of Letterman [Eb ] Re: Pachyderm dung ["JH3" ] Re: ASSMAN [Eb ] Thank you! ["Ariel Green" ] Re: ASSMAN ["Ariel Green" ] Re: best...old thread [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: positing eb all over the world [michelle wiener ] Austin shows [Joel Mullins ] MTV [Joel Mullins ] Re: Yet another goth thread that I didn't start ["Stewart C. Russell" ] eb all over the world ["Anal Oil Leakage" ] Re: MTV [Terrence M Marks ] play along at home! ["Anal Oil Leakage" ] Chinese Bones cover [HAMISH_SIMPSON@HP-UnitedKingdom-om4.om.hp.com] Re: Misreading; corrigenda [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Austin shows ["bret" ] the art protest wasn't enough... ["chad leahy" ] Re: Austin shows [GSS ] RE: Austin shows ["Bachman, Michael" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:58:59 -0400 From: overbury@cn.ca Subject: Re: Yet another goth thread that I didn't start Cris said: > Fair's fair, Eb. Let's see *your* picture. It's still on his webpage. > > On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > > > I can't get very far, period. What's with gothkidz these days that > > their web sites don't even *work*? So that's goth! Is all that neck trouble caused by some sort of Goth ritual? And why the reverence for spinach? (Amaranth, Amaranthyne = spinach & spinach-like?) - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:17:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Charles Gillett Subject: Re: it's the arse On Tue, 05 Oct 1999 15:49:16 +0100, "Stewart C. Russell" wrote: > I wish I could remember the name of the artist who does real > anatomical art, like the drawing of the two bone, muscle and > circulation models kissing. There was a huge poster of it on > the side of the American Visionary Art Museum for months. Alex Grey. I see that he has a web site (www.alexgrey.com, no surprises there). Not my thing, and all that newage mystical garbage makes me crabby. Grey could have been a goth kid. He once locked himself into a freezer full of cadavers as a "work." Elephant dung and Virgin Marys aren't my thing, either. I have yet to figure out what my thing is in the visual art realm. - -- Charles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:54:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Yet another goth thread that I didn't start On Tue, 5 Oct 1999 overbury@cn.ca wrote: > So that's goth! Is all that neck trouble caused by some sort of Goth > ritual? And why the reverence for spinach? (Amaranth, Amaranthyne = > spinach & spinach-like?) The amaranth family includes flowers as well as munchies. I'll go out on a limb here and guess that Amanthus and Amaranthyne are both derived from the flower Love-lies-bleeding (Amaranthus caudatus). > > Fair's fair, Eb. Let's see *your* picture. > > It's still on his webpage. Yabbut that looks like it was taken with a scanning electron microscope. I'm talking about something that shows more than a six inch square! I wanna see Eb in his full regalia: eyeliner, silver jewelry, silk tophat, swallow-tail black velvet coat, black PVC stretch pants, knee-high boots ... and yellow and white striped Rufus Wainright concert shirt. - --Chris, who thinks he's just come up with his 1999 Halloween costume ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 10:57:55 PDT From: "Anal Oil Leakage" Subject: Re: Yet another goth thread that I didn't start < > Fair's fair, Eb. Let's see *your* picture. It's still on his webpage.> and of course, there's a picture of the incipient eb at . ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:08:01 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: Yet another goth thread that I didn't start >I wanna see Eb in his full regalia: eyeliner, silver jewelry, silk >tophat, swallow-tail black velvet coat, black PVC stretch pants, >knee-high boots and yellow and white striped Rufus Wainright >concert shirt. You forgot the cape! JH3 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:00:22 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Famous Blue Raincoat Drew: >1) What does it mean to "misread" a cover? Is it just >a question of ruining the original song, or can one's >version of the song pervert the original tone or meaning >of the song? The best example I can think of is Guns 'N Roses' version of "Knockin' on Heaven's Door." The original tune is a reflective deathbed hymn about accepting one's incipient demise. GNR's version sounds like a gleeful ode to self-destruction. *Completely* misses the boat. And yes, I think it's a question of perverting the original meaning, not just playing a song badly. Actually, Dylan himself has been accused of this crime, on infamous revisionist albums like Self Portrait, Live at Budokan and Dylan.... >taking the piss. There's another phrase I hate...especially when coming from Americans. MG: >Peter Bick >arrant hippy wackiness >Throughout a sensitively produced, ceaselessly >inventive album Hitchcock the stings, the honey and the bumbling comedy of >life and love. Either Mike Godwin is a careless typist, or Mojo desperately needs to hire a proofreader. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:08:05 -0800 From: Eb Subject: more, re: hours... Just to be fair, let me point out that while Bowie came off really rote and uninspired on SNL over the weekend, he did an excellent version of "The Pretty Things Are Going to Hell" (the album's best track) on Letterman last night. The difference was striking -- even his stage moves were far more commanding and magnetic. Huh. (Not that I'm reversing my position on the album...no, no.) Odd postscript: Bowie was supposed to appear on the Howard Stern show this morning, and called in sick. Hrm. He looked fine the day before.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:25:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: more, re: hours... On Tue, 5 Oct 1999, Eb wrote: > (Not that I'm reversing my position on the album...no, no.) oh, don't worry, i didn't think you were! just out of curiosity, when was the last time you reversed your position? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:01:02 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: more, re: hours... Bayard: >> (Not that I'm reversing my position on the album...no, no.) > >oh, don't worry, i didn't think you were! just out of curiosity, when was >the last time you reversed your position? Reversed? Like, going from "this is good" to "this is bad"? Pretty much never. Going from "this is marginally good" to "this is marginally bad" (or the reverse), slightly more often. There are certain albums which I might like a little more or a little less over time, but that's about it. And even so, albums don't "grow on me" nearly as often as with other folks. The Owsley album is probably the only disc which has "grown on me" all this year. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:03:10 -0700 From: "Scott Hunter McCleary" Subject: Pachyderm dung Drew writes from the North American capital of cloudy days: >This must explain his deep and fascinating work "Bag of Shit." (I am not making this up.) But it's really good shit, Mr. Simchik. - ----- MailStart Plus - http://www.mailstartplus.com Consolidate Your Mailboxes Into an Organized, Filtered, Spell-Checked, Anywhere, Anytime WebBox ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:17:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: "dead links"...how appropriate! > From: Christopher Gross > On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > > > I can't get very far, period. What's with gothkidz > these days that > > their web > > sites don't even *work*? > > Most goth kids' sites work all too well. If there's a > problem with these > links it's that they're horribly out of date. The links weren't a problem so much as the pages they linked to. I kept running into broken JavaScript and the like. To be fair, I have seen a number of gothkidz' sites that did work, and yes, they were very funny. Unlike Eb, however, I also found them very charming. > From: Doc [pickled sharks] > I find it funny that other people would find it > offensive, though. > Didn't anyone of these people have to dissect a pickled > frog in high > school? Whassa differmints? Well, a lot of "these people" also protested or would have protested dissection in bio class. So, nawmuch, apparently. For my part, I would prefer that a shark die for my dinner than for conceptual art. Better yet, I would prefer that conceptual art die for my dinner. Not all of it, perhaps...just enough to cull the herd. [I said:] > from this image > it's hard to believe any of the descriptions I've > read so far. But I'm starting to. Looks like the main image is either paint, or paint and elephant shit, or both. The little flutterbye things around it are probably the butt collage (this has something to do with the fact that supposedly the Virgin Mary is highly sexualized in some traditions...intended to show how incongruous that is? or just lazy signification taking the place of depiction?) and dollops of Dumbo doo-doo. So everyone seems to have at least part of it right. Incidentally, Chris Ofili appears to be awfully cute. > From: Michael R Godwin > PS And you note that while Hirst knows how to stir people > up, he doesn't > actually risk his life, like he would if he did, say, > furry kittens in > formaldehyde. Is the point of conceptual art to stir people up? Does that make Andy Kaufman a conceptual artist? (Maybe.) How about Ellen Degeneres? (Doubtful.) I'm not arguing with you. I'm just asking. Regarding "Bag of Shit": the trap here is that Ofili has created an artistically void object in order to protest or raise questions about the artistic status conferred on artistically void objects. The dilemma: as the curator, do I display "Bag of Shit" in my gallery in order to make people question this, or do I question this and as a consequence refuse to display "Bag of Shit"? Both answers are wrong! Gad, how clever! Maybe "Bag of Shit" is art after all, and perhaps I can do the sequel "Bag of Shit II," or "Bag of Human Shit" to question repetitious themes or the concept of plagiarism or the tendency of people to find meaning in anything sitting in a museum...take the tablets Tiger... > From: "JH3" > "The last time we saw you, you looked so much darker > Your famous blue raincoat was now a black parka > You'd been to the Kwik Mart to rent "Terror Train" > And you came home with a big ketchup stain..." Hmm. I can see Tori singing this. On closing salutations: how do people feel about Cheers, Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:22:48 -0800 From: Eb Subject: oh yeah...speaking of Letterman Tonight's featured guest on Letterman: *Dan Quayle*! Talk about must-see TV! I'll be really annoyed if Letterman blows it by playing kiss-ass the whole time...the eyes of every comedian will be upon him.... Eb, missing the younger, edgy Letterman who wasn't afraid to make his guests look silly when they deserved it ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:48:35 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: Pachyderm dung >>This must explain his deep and fascinating work "Bag of > Shit." (I am not making this up.) >But it's really good shit, Mr. Simchik. PADERBORN, GERMANY - Overzealous zookeeper Friedrich Riesfeldt fed his constipated elephant Stefan 22 doses of animal laxative and more than a bushel of berries, figs and prunes before the plugged-up pachyderm finally let fly -- and suffocated the keeper under 200 pounds of poop! Investigators say ill-fated Friedrich, 46, was attempting to give the ailing elephant an olive-oil enema when the relieved beast unloaded on him like a dump truck full of mud. "The sheer force of the elephant's unexpected defecation knocked Mr. Riesfeldt to the ground, where he struck his head on a rock and lay unconscious as the elephant continued to evacuate his bowels on top of him," said flabbergasted Paderborn police detective Erik Dern. "With no one there to help him, he lay under all that dung for at least an hour before a watchman came along, and during that time he suffocated. "It seems to be just one of those freak accidents that happen sometimes -a billion-to-one shot, atleast." The heartbreaking tale of constipation and tragedy began April 23 when the conscientious zookeeper noticed that his prize, 8,000-pound African elephant didn't seem to be producing his usual poop aplenty. "Friedrich had actually been concerned for several days because he knew that severe constipation can kill an elephant," assistant zookeeper Kurt Herrman recalled. "He told me he was going to stay late that Thursday night to treat Stefan with laxatives and possibly give him an enema. "I offered to help, but he sent me on home, saying he had everything under control." But two hours later, horrified night watchman Walter Pleuger found Friedrich lying lifeless under a mound of muck, his body visible only from the knees down. "I had never really thought about it before," Det. Dern said. "But obviously, giving an elephant an enema can be a very dangerous activity -- and not something that should be attempted alone." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:11:10 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: ASSMAN >PADERBORN, GERMANY - Overzealous zookeeper Friedrich Riesfeldt fed his >constipated elephant Stefan 22 doses of animal laxative and more than a bushel >of berries, figs and prunes before the plugged-up pachyderm finally let fly -- >and suffocated the keeper under 200 pounds of poop! > >"It seems to be just one of those freak >accidents that happen sometimes -a billion-to-one shot, at least." I think I saw this story on a Seinfeld episode. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 14:14:54 PDT From: "Ariel Green" Subject: Thank you! Just a quick note of thanks to all who have answered my questions about CD burners, stereo to PC and fonts. :) You're truly a knowledgeable bunch. Have no doubt that I'll want to pick your brains again sometime. *g* yours, Ariel ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 14:18:15 PDT From: "Ariel Green" Subject: Re: ASSMAN >I think I saw this story on a Seinfeld episode. I dunno, but Fox had one of those "most funny and horrible accidents on tape" specials on ages ago, and theit chief advertising spot was an elephant sitting on a guy's head.... Ewww? A. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:10:15 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: best...old thread In a message dated 10/5/99 2:07:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mojo@rice.edu writes: << now thinking: what if I wanted to call something "The Evil-Tempered Clavier"? I'm sure this has been done. Would that be "Das Bo"setemperierte Clavier"? >> Wouldn't "Poorly-Tempered" be the opposite? Also, I think I'd prefer "Ill-Tempered Clavier" to "Evil-Tempered." Temperament seems more like a superficial state/way of behaving, whereas evil is much, much deeper. For instance, while Satan is undoubtedly evil, he's probably not always ill-tempered. I mean, if he's snappin' up souls and terrorizing the virtuous, then he's probably in a very good temper, indeed. But I don't know anything about a possible translation. Just thought I'd throw in my 2 cents :-) - -------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 00:18:50 -0400 From: michelle wiener Subject: Re: positing eb all over the world Anal Oil Leakage wrote: > anyhow, you know that dead milkmen song, In Praise Of Sha-Na-Na? the one > where they posit (sorry michelle, but, damn, i like that word an awful lot) > i'd like to publicly announce that "posit" no longer bothers me, now that school's back in session and i'm back to teaching first-year composition to people who, for the most part, hate writing and all things english. how i long to get a "posit." it was a bad example of a larger problem, anyway. language and i have since made up and things couldn't be better, though it's hard to have the make-up sex with pure discourse. mebbe it was the interpreter. has anyone else seen the yoo-hoo commercial where a woman gets abducted by a wacko cult because her boyfriend/husband/roommate didn't buy yoo-hoo? what gets me is the rainbow on the side of the van. michelle n.p. i often dream of trains. because fall is here. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 23:22:41 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Austin shows Here's some details for the Austin shows: Oct. 23 -- two shows / 8:00 (doors at 7) and 10:30 (doors at 10). Tickets are $16 and will NOT be sold in advance. You must get them at the door. (I didn't think to ask about the show on the 24th, so I don't know any details about that one). So, who's all going? Anyone going to both shows on the 23rd? I'm gonna try to make both shows. What's your plan, Eddie? Later Joel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 01:44:06 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: MTV I came across MTV's mission statement: "To CONNECT WITH OUR AUDIENCE in a way that fuels their passion for music and challenges their thinking with the kind of fresh, relevant, risk-taking entertainment found NOWHERE ELSE." Who are they kidding? Fresh? Risk-taking? MTV is nothing but commercialized garbage and that's only during the 5 minutes a day that they actually play videos. And do you guys feel that MTV "challenges [your] thinking"? I don't mind if they put that crap on television, but the least they could do is be honest about what they're airing and not try to pretend that they're doing something that's actually important. Joel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 09:11:57 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Yet another goth thread that I didn't start overbury@cn.ca wrote: > > And why the reverence for spinach? (Amaranth, Amaranthyne = > spinach & spinach-like?) I think they're going for "the flower that never fades" sense, myself. ISTR Poppy Z Brite writing quite a lot on the subject. Or if it is spinach related, shouldn't she change her name to "Popeye Z Brite"? - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 01:20:05 PDT From: "Anal Oil Leakage" Subject: Re: MTV yes. yes i do. KEN "Big as the Golden Arches" THE KENSTER ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 01:20:49 PDT From: "Anal Oil Leakage" Subject: eb all over the world saw Three Kings, and i've been depressed the whole rest of the day. it does a very good job, i think, of portraying the hypocrisy of u.s. policy, as well as the complete insanity of war. i found both Spanking The Monkey and Flirting With Disaster to be pretty underwhelming (though not at all unwatchable). but this is the real deal. my one major criticism is that at no point in the movie are the sanctions mentioned (and remember, people were warning as early as february of *'91* that it was imperative that the sanctions be lifted immediately -- well over eight years ago!!), nor that we're basically still at war with iraq for the most specious and hypocritical of reasons. but definitely recommended. (still not as good as South Park, though.) hey, from the sometimes-it-takes-a-businessman-to-tell-the-truth-as-bluntly-as-possible dept., did y'all catch clifford gady, of the brookings institute on c-span the other day? i was so dumbfounded, i had to go to c-span's website, download the show, and audiotape parts of it. here's a choice cut: "The idea of a new Marshall Plan, of course, is to some extent still appealing. It's still an important concept. We *were* able to put Germany and Japan on their feet economically after having been completely devastated in World War II. However, remember a couple of things about the Marshall Plan, and the difference to today's Russia (or even in 1991 and '92). The most important thing was, we had our troops in these countries. We could tell them what to do. It didn't matter if it was painful or not painful. We were the boss. This time we came in, to some extent, some of our people came in as if *they* were General MacArthur, ordering the Russians to do this or that. But they weren't in charge, and the Russians resisted. Number two, in effect what we were doing in Germany and Japan was providing them with the means to do what they already knew how to do. Run a capitalist economy. Run a modern capitalist economy. The people were there who'd worked in such plants. The people were there who had managed such plants. (Uh, in fact, in Germany they managed them all the way through World War II.) And very few of them were disallowed from working in the postwar economy. Russia had no such advantage." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 05:37:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: MTV > > > yes. yes i do. I find thinking very challenging after MTV too. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://grove.ufl.edu/~normal normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 02:39:46 PDT From: "Anal Oil Leakage" Subject: play along at home! for the latest itinerary, point your browser at: . armed with that, an atlas, a stopwatch, and a protractor; you should easily be able to determine the exact time of dislodgement and the correct degree of arc at which to successfully pick me off with a mortar shot. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:40:32 +0100 From: HAMISH_SIMPSON@HP-UnitedKingdom-om4.om.hp.com Subject: Chinese Bones cover fEGs, Just listened to the mp3 of the Grateful Dead and Suzanne Vega doing Chinese Bones. IT SUCKS ASS!!!! How can anyone be so pitiful at performing a song? It's like they didn't bother learning it at all. AAAARRRRGGHHHHH! (H) Was about to play Suzanne Vega "Solitude Standing", but won't bother now! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:29:45 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Misreading; corrigenda > Drew: > >1) What does it mean to "misread" a cover? Is it just > >a question of ruining the original song, or can one's > >version of the song pervert the original tone or meaning > >of the song? One deliberate example is the MC5's reading of Chuck Berry's "I'm so glad I'm living in the USA". Every other song on the album is anti-growing up in the US, and the performance is obviously ironic (but very good). > Eb: > Either Mike Godwin is a careless typist, or Mojo desperately needs to hire > a proofreader. I'd go for the latter: I missed a word. > >Throughout a sensitively produced, ceaselessly > >inventive album Hitchcock the stings, the honey and the bumbling comedy of > >life and love. * After 'Hitchcock', the word 'balances' should come before 'stings'. > >arrant hippy wackiness * 'arrant hippy wackiness' is of course correct. > >Peter Bick * 'Peter Bick' should read 'Peter Bulk'. :) - - Mile Godwib PS Caught myself humming the Corrs' 'What do I have to do to make you love me?' this morning - aaargh! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:19:05 -0500 From: "bret" Subject: Re: Austin shows >Here's some details for the Austin shows: > >Oct. 23 -- two shows / 8:00 (doors at 7) and 10:30 (doors at 10). > >Tickets are $16 and will NOT be sold in advance. You must get them at >the door. (I didn't think to ask about the show on the 24th, so I don't >know any details about that one). > >So, who's all going? Anyone going to both shows on the 23rd? I'm gonna >try to make both shows. I will prolly be at both shows, (driving down that morn from D) I will be wearing toast stapled to my shirt (wait, sorry, no I won't) later. - -B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 08:55:43 -0500 From: "chad leahy" Subject: the art protest wasn't enough... http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Entertainment/reuters19991005_1014.html NEW YORK (Reuters) -- Following weekend demonstrations against a Brooklyn Museum art exhibition, hundreds of Catholic protesters staged a rally Monday at another venerable arts institution, where a controversial film about fallen angels premiered. Singing, praying and holding aloft placards that read "Stop blasphemy," the demonstrators gathered outside the Lincoln Center for the Performing Arts, where the movie "Dogma" was shown as part of the prestigious New York Film Festival. In "Dogma," Academy Award-winning actors Matt Damon and Ben Affleck play two fallen angels who are scheming to get back into heaven. The film, directed by "Chasing Amy" director Kevin Smith, also stars Linda Fiorentino and Selma Hayek, as well as comedian Chris Rock as a hitherto unknown 13th apostle. "We are here to tell people that we're looking for more respect and love, and less criticizing of each other's faith," said Bev Santini of Garden City, New York. "We're praying for Michael Eisner and Disney and Miramax so that they stop ridiculing Christians and Catholics in the world," she said. Disney is Miramax's parent company, but the film is being released by Lion's Gate which distributed last year's Oscar-winning film "Gods and Monsters." Miramax Films' Bob and Harvey Weinstein bought "Dogma" from Miramax, which backed the film's production, and Lion's Gate agreed to distribute it. Officials at Disney, Miramax, Lion's Gate and the film festival could not be reached for comment. The American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property, which joined the Catholic League and others at Monday's rally, said in fliers that "Dogma," "mocks everything we hold sacred -- God, the Church, the Mass and Mary's virginity. It condones what we condemn -- murder, obscenity, violence, profanity, drugs, drunkenness and rebellion!" Monday's rally follows weekend demonstrations against the Brooklyn Museum exhibit "Sensation," which opened Saturday to record crowds. The exhibit, which runs through Jan. 9, features works using pickled cow parts, human blood and a melding of live maggots and a cow's head. But it is Chris Ofili's "Holy Virgin Mary," stained with elephant dung and pasted with cutouts from pornographic magazines, that has enraged some Roman Catholic groups that accuse Ofili and the museum of Catholic-bashing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:54:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Link of the day http://www.usda.gov/rus/educate/ruskids.htm Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://grove.ufl.edu/~normal normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:07:12 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: Austin shows Cool, I hope to see lots of fegs at the Austin shows. There are lots of neat things to do in and around Austin, as it is a really nice area, ie.. parks, lakes, caves, Branch Davidians etc... I expect TGQ will be there since Waco is so close to Austin. best, greg np. dedicated follower of fashion "he thinks he is a flower to be looked at and when he pulls his frilly nylon panties right up tight he feels a dedicated follower of fashion, oh yes he is, oh yes he is there's one thing that he loves and that is flattery one week he's in polka dots the next week he's in stripes cause he's a dedicated follower of fashion" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:06:50 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Austin shows Greg, Wasn't the movie SLACKER filmed in Austin, TX? Michael - -----Original Message----- From: GSS [mailto:gshell@metronet.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 11:07 AM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: Re: Austin shows Cool, I hope to see lots of fegs at the Austin shows. There are lots of neat things to do in and around Austin, as it is a really nice area, ie.. parks, lakes, caves, Branch Davidians etc... I expect TGQ will be there since Waco is so close to Austin. best, greg np. dedicated follower of fashion "he thinks he is a flower to be looked at and when he pulls his frilly nylon panties right up tight he feels a dedicated follower of fashion, oh yes he is, oh yes he is there's one thing that he loves and that is flattery one week he's in polka dots the next week he's in stripes cause he's a dedicated follower of fashion" ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #376 *******************************