From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #375 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, October 5 1999 Volume 08 : Number 375 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Robyn Hitchcock handwriting font? ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Glasgow gig ["Stewart C. Russell" ] eb all over the world ["Anal Oil Leakage" ] Mojo JfS review [Michael R Godwin ] The Zodiac Club, Oxford [Michael R Godwin ] it's the arts ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: it's the arts ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: it's the arts ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Ofili's opus ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: it's the arts ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Yet another goth thread that I didn't start [Christopher Gross ] new tunes ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #374 [Doc ] and one more link... ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Famous Blue Raincoat ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] okay, one more quote ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] new tunes ["jbranscombe@compuserve.com" ] Re: new tunes ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Sharks in formaldehyde, come alive [Michael R Godwin ] best...old thread [Marshall Needleman Armintor ] Re: it's the arts ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: Famous Blue Raincoat [Christopher Gross ] the best quote yet ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: Famous Blue Raincoat ["JH3" ] dead shark in a jar ["Jason R. Thornton" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 09:14:51 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Robyn Hitchcock handwriting font? Eb wrote: > > >>(Its X definition should probably be > >> --fegmania caps-regular-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1 > >>for those that care.) > > OK, I guess I'm just a big poopyhead, because I don't have a clue what the > above means. Huh? Uh, don't worry about it; It's a Unix thing. The X Windows System has an (at first) obscenely complex font naming system. Because the host and the display need not be the same machine, the server needs a way to communicate the font properties to the screen. You can specify foundry, family, weight, slant, set width (normal, condensed, etc), style (sans, serif, etc), pixel size, point size, X resolution, Y resolution, spacing (mono or proportional), average width, inernational language registry and encoding. Then Mac and MS Windows web designers came along confusing point size and pixel size, and made web pages illegible on Unix boxes. Gits. - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 09:22:08 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: mystery band hal brandt wrote: > > I hope they treat us to some brand new songs as well. The UK setlists > were disappointing in that regard. It was nice to hear the old classics again. Robyn's not going to get any new fans in the UK, apart from word of mouth. He doesn't need to sell here. I don't think the same is true over the water. - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 09:22:53 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Glasgow gig Anal Oil Leakage wrote: > > oh, man. that's funnier than shit! When one crowd surfs -- and this is where DrunkenDude got it wrong -- one actually needs a crowd to surf on. In front of this guy was just empty floor. > 10/1/80, looks like. or, if you're scoring in the uk, 1/10/80. Eek! Synchronicity-ish! Robyn remarked that it was the first time since The Bungalow Bar that he and Kimberley had played together in Scotland. Since the gig was on September 30, it was 19 years LESS ONE DAY since the event. Auspicious energies, or what? - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 01:59:15 PDT From: "Anal Oil Leakage" Subject: eb all over the world where there was once a venue called "the breakroom"; there is now a gaping, steaming, undulating crater in the ground. but first! guffaw of the week (so far) came watching Meet The Press the other day. reggie white was on there, pious christian that he is, bashing the homos for all he was worth. russert said something about how he must've played alongside a lot of homosexuals in his day, and reggie denied it. said he hadn't played with a one. russert did a double take or three, and then asked for confirmation of what he'd just heard, which was only too forthcoming. the kind of bummer part is, now i'll never know for sure what line of questioning russert'd been intending to pursue. anyhow, you know that dead milkmen song, In Praise Of Sha-Na-Na? the one where they posit (sorry michelle, but, damn, i like that word an awful lot) sha-na-na as having killed kennedy, and having "stabbed that guy at altamont", & cetera? sure you do. well, i think somebody should write a song positing sleater-kinney as the culprit behind three mile island, chernobyl, et al. yep, saw 'em last night. they came in, tore the building apart brick by brick, set it on fire, ate up all the ashes, and then shat out a large-ish, um, something or other. i'm sayin' it was even better than their show here in february. and that's sayin' a lot, i can tell you. wished i had eb's way with words, so's i could go on about it entertainingly at great length. but i don't. janet played with both opening bands, while carrie and corin stood just offstage grooving and snapping photo graphs. then when janet was rather late getting out for the first encore, carrie made a crack about having been worried that she'd gone over to the aro.space to play with one of the bands over there. (indeed, it looked for all the world like carrie and corin were going to play a song without her. which, while it would almost surely have been interesting, also caused me a great deal of horrified wincing. you know, i think janet's the most important component of the band. honestly.) carrie didn't windmill very much, but she displayed many other wonderful histrionics. what else? the punker girl in front of me was wearing a hanson t-shirt. that was pretty neat. they debuted a buncha new songs, in practising for their new rekkid. i snagged janet's setlist after (hmmm, wonder how much that'd fetch on ebay?), so here's the main set, if anyone is interested: Ballad Of A Lady Man All Hands On The Bad One Was It A Lie? Start Together Backlit Get Up JP Milkshake & Honey Youth Decay One More Hour Maraca You're No Rock N Roll Fun Factors Unknown Dig Me Out Pompeii i guess i must be cursed or something. in feb., i missed a sidebreak 'cause i stupidly inserted a 60-minute tape thinking it was 100-minutes. then tonight i cut off the beginning of the first song of the first encore, 'cause i stupidly trusted that my dictaphone's annoying habit of not working from time to time -- unless one gives it a good, solid rap with one of one's knuckles -- had been cured during its recent trip to the shop. KEN "All hail chess piece face" THE KENSTER ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:48:10 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Mojo JfS review "Superb addition to an already impressive canon. Here joined by Peter Bick, Grant Lee "Buffalo" Phillips and Kimberley Rew". "In 1979, the Hitchcock-led Soft Boys called their debut album 'A Can of Bees'. On 'Jewels for Sophia' Robyn insists "The universe is made of bees". And, of course, he's right. As with much of his work which detractors dismiss as arrant hippy wackiness there is often a sound metaphorical truth and consistency in this sort of superficially whimsical imagery. Throughout a sensitively produced, ceaselessly inventive album Hitchcock the stings, the honey and the bumbling comedy of life and love. During 'No, I don't remember Guildford' he tries to deny an old flame: his reedy, ghost-of-the-'60s cadences float through the tremulous guitar, brushed snare and frosty piano to confront her unquiet spirit. Conversely, the warmth of affection expressed on the marimba-rippled 'I Feel Beautiful' could melt an ice-cap. Maybe his best set yet". Review by Joe Cushley Posted by Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:16:25 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: The Zodiac Club, Oxford I have to disagree with Hal's assertion that the UK sets have mainly been oldies. At the Oxford gig, he performed four songs from the new album (Mexican God, Sweet Mouth, Cheese Alarm and Sally Was A Legend) - the only one of these I have heard previously is Cheese Alarm. He also played 'Adoration of the city' which I would have classified as a new number; and he played two oldies which I haven't heard live before, namely Devil's Coachman and Wax Doll. And incidentally, he said that 'Sleeping with your devil mask' is about - creativity! Could've fooled me... - - Mike Godwin PS I wonder if that line in D's C about the devil pulling creatures' legs off is inspired by the devil in poor old C S Lewis's 'Perelandra' (sometimes known as 'Voyage to Venus')? Has this been dealt with by the lyrics sub-committee? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 06:22:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: it's the arts > From: "Jason R. Thornton" [Bowie and the unfunded Saatchi art] > Anyone else (Mark?) find the idea of an art exhibit > consisting of a dead shark suspended in a tank of > formaldehyde offensive? ;) On a whole slew of levels. And regarding the most notorious of those pieces: I find the idea of an image of the Virgin Mary smeared with shit much less offensive than the idea that it's considered "art." I feel like the folks who look at a Mondrian or a Pollock and say "it's just a bunch of squares/paint drippings," but let's face it, sooner or later you have to enter the realm of total bollocks if you keep going down this road long enough. Perhaps if I saw the piece in question or knew more about it I'd feel differently, but ShitMadonna sounds *so* tired, if only because it's a thunderingly obvious sequel to PissChrist. If Bowie were *really* doing right by these "artists" he'd put his boot right up their vapid asses. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 14:38:58 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: it's the arts "Andrew D. Simchik" wrote: > > On a whole slew of levels. And regarding the most > notorious of those pieces: I find the idea of an image > of the Virgin Mary smeared with shit much less offensive > than the idea that it's considered "art." It's not smeared with shit, the medium is mostly elephant dung, as is traditional in the part of Africa where the artist's ancestors came from. As far as I know, Chris Offili isn't trying to be offensive. To me, it's all a storm in a teacup. I'm sure that there have been plastic plates made of urea formaldehyde bearing the name of image of Christ on them, and no-one has raised a stooshie about them being made of piss. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:37:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: it's the arts - --- "Stewart C. Russell" wrote: > "Andrew D. Simchik" wrote: > > > > On a whole slew of levels. And regarding the most > > notorious of those pieces: I find the idea of an image > > of the Virgin Mary smeared with shit much less > offensive > > than the idea that it's considered "art." > > It's not smeared with shit, the medium is mostly elephant > dung, as is > traditional in the part of Africa where the artist's > ancestors came > from. Fascinating how these stories are presented, isn't it? As I say, the piece was reported here in the States (in the mainstream press, of course) to be a stock image of Mrs. Christ slathered in mookystinks. From what you say, I gather that the image itself was done in dung. That's a significant difference (if not a significant improvement). > As far as I know, Chris Offili isn't trying to be > offensive. Fair enough. And the shark in formaldehyde? Art, or just a specimen under a spotlight? > To me, it's all a storm in a teacup. I'm sure that there > have been > plastic plates made of urea formaldehyde bearing the name > of image of > Christ on them, and no-one has raised a stooshie about > them being made > of piss. See above -- as I said, "made of" is different from "smeared with." PissChrist, as I understood it, was Jesus in piss (like a shark in formaldehyde), not Jesus made of piss. I have no idea what the artist was trying to convey with that one, but apparently this wasn't, in fact, the sequel. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:45:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Ofili's opus "But it is Chris Ofili's "Holy Virgin Mary," which shows a woman's figure decorated with a clump of elephant dung and cutouts from pornographic magazines, that has enraged Giuliani and some Roman Catholic groups. They accuse Ofili - -- who is Catholic -- and the museum of Catholic-bashing. " This description from http://cnn.com/TRAVEL/NEWS/9910/03/BC-ARTS-GIULIANI.reut/index.html. Do you suppose they haven't even seen the piece? How shall we account for such wildly divergent descriptions of it? Is glossy porn also an ancient African artistic medium? Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 15:49:16 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: it's the arts "Andrew D. Simchik" wrote: > > > As far as I know, Chris Offili isn't trying to be > > offensive. > > Fair enough. And the shark in formaldehyde? By a different artist, Damien Hirst, from whom I always get the feeling he's taking the piss. But it's his art, and as long as he enjoys making it, fair dos. I wish I could remember the name of the artist who does real anatomical art, like the drawing of the two bone, muscle and circulation models kissing. There was a huge poster of it on the side of the American Visionary Art Museum for months. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:01:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Yet another goth thread that I didn't start On Sat, 2 Oct 1999, Eb wrote: > http://www.gothic.net/~squee/net_goth_pix/a.html (start with A...see how > far into the alphabet you can get without wetting your pants with laughter) Fair's fair, Eb. Let's see *your* picture. On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > I can't get very far, period. What's with gothkidz these days that > their web > sites don't even *work*? Most goth kids' sites work all too well. If there's a problem with these links it's that they're horribly out of date. (Though I clicked on a few random samples and didn't find any dead links.) I think Elly just adds new pictures without culling the old ones, unless someone specifically asks to be removed. Converging threads: for a while in September, our local Tower Records had Rick Wakeman's solo albums in the Goth/Industrial section. (Eventually they wised up; no doubt a manager started wondering why that dorky long haired guy kept chuckling every time he walked by that one rack.) - --Chris, catching up np: Skinny Puppy, Bites ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 09:06:09 -0600 From: hal brandt Subject: new tunes Michael R Godwin wrote: > > I have to disagree with Hal's assertion that the UK sets have mainly been > oldies. At the Oxford gig, he performed four songs from the new album > (Mexican God, Sweet Mouth, Cheese Alarm and Sally Was A Legend) Well..I really didn't say the setlists consisted of "oldies". I saw the JFS songs listed. It's just that Robyn used to always debut unreleased/unrecorded songs on each new tour and he hasn't been doing that of late. Hey, I'm psyched to hear the Soft Boys tunes with K. Rew, but I do hope the prolific Mr. H. gives us some samples of the future as well during the forthcoming US dates. /hal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 16:09:49 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: new tunes ISTR Antwoman being played at Irvine, around August 1996 (even I forget, and I was there), which must have been one of its earlier outings. So we do occasionally get new tunes in the UK. - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:14:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Doc Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #374 >Anyone else (Mark?) find the idea of an art exhibit consisting of a >dead shark suspended in a tank of formaldehyde offensive? ;) Rubbersharks are immune to picklization by formadehyde. Or that's what they said on the Discovery Channel last night, in a great special called "Glauster Me Blue". I find it funny that other people would find it offensive, though. Didn't anyone of these people have to dissect a pickled frog in high school? Whassa differmints? - -Doc __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:27:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: and one more link... http://cnn.com/TRAVEL/NEWS/9910/01/museum.flap.reut/ This one has a picture of the work. It's not large enough or close enough to tell, but from this image it's hard to believe any of the descriptions I've read so far. At this distance, at least, it looks quite attractive and artistic. Perhaps the real story here is differing descriptions and perceptions of art. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:32:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Famous Blue Raincoat So: another question for the group, unrelated to Robyn. In a review of the Leonard Cohen tribute _Tower of Song_ that I read once, Tori Amos's cover of "Famous Blue Raincoat" is slammed as a "misreading." Actually I have two questions: 1) What does it mean to "misread" a cover? Is it just a question of ruining the original song, or can one's version of the song pervert the original tone or meaning of the song? I really hate Tori's covers. I haven't heard a single one I'd describe as better than "listenable." The other cover that springs to mind when this "misreading" stuff comes up is "Smells Like Teen Spirit." I figure she probably meant it as a tribute, but it always came across to me as taking the piss. If it's sincere, it really wrecks the irony and saps the lyrics of any meaning through the delivery. Is this what Tori did to "Famous Blue Raincoat"? How can you tell? 2) What would it mean to "misread" "Famous Blue Raincoat" in particular? I always read that song as being a real complex of emotions, barely tied down, a bittersweet truce between old friends and old enemies. Am I totally off base? Is there some irony or hidden dimension that both I and Tori missed? As always, thanks so much for your opinions. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:34:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: okay, one more quote "'Sensation represents some of the best, worst but definitely most extreme of the high-profile work to have come out of Britain in the last 10 years or so,' Bowie said in a statement." Source: http://cnn.com/TRAVEL/NEWS/9909/30/museum.flap.ap/index.html Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:34:47 -0400 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: new tunes He played I Wish I Liked You at Cambridge. A very acerbic little blues number. Talking to Mr Rew afterwards he said it was going to be on the out-takes album. When announcing it RH said it was the first time he'd played it in Britain. So, yup, it must have had a Stateside outing. I haven't checked The Asking Tree. I will post the Cambridge set-list soon. It's at work and I keep forgetting to bring it home. jmbc. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 16:41:34 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: new tunes "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" wrote: > > He played I Wish I Liked You at Cambridge. A very acerbic little blues > number. Talking to Mr Rew afterwards he said it was going to be on the > out-takes album. I got the feeling that the out-takes album was an in-joke between Robyn, Kimberley and Terry. It was the butt of some pineapple-related humour in Glasgow. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:44:25 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Sharks in formaldehyde, come alive > > Fair enough. And the shark in formaldehyde? On Tue, 5 Oct 1999, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > By a different artist, Damien Hirst, from whom I always get the feeling > he's taking the piss. But it's his art, and as long as he enjoys making > it, fair dos. One thing that irritates me about Hirst is that, not content with doing the shark, he followed it up with a sheep, and then with a cow sliced in half. I thought these conceptual artists were supposed to come up with new concepts, not keep recycling the same one. Ditto with Rachel Whiteread and her moulds of things - once she had done the inside-out house, I really think she should have moved on to some other idea. - - Mike Godwin PS And you note that while Hirst knows how to stir people up, he doesn't actually risk his life, like he would if he did, say, furry kittens in formaldehyde. PPS What did you think of the new dinosaur series on BBC-TV? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 08:45:40 PDT From: "Bradley Wood" Subject: Robyn's Management Does anyone know how I can contact Robyn's management about possibly adding another date to the November tour? Thanks, Brad ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:50:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Marshall Needleman Armintor Subject: best...old thread <> Oh, Eb..."Best" isn't so bad. It's useful for respectfully communicating fondness and warmth with someone with whom you need to curry favor, yet is older/more important than you, e.g. in the weird avuncular/avtantular relationship forged sometimes between grad students and professors, or future in-laws. Particularly in the former, and, yes, I'm speaking from experience. It's the zero-degree bullshit salutation of the moment, and I use it...sparingly. Yes, it would irritate me if I saw it all the time. "In spades" is a nice old-fashioned expression I hardly ever get tired of. I'm the only one I've met who's ever used it, only in writing, maybe like once a year. marshall np Glenn Gould, The Well-Tempered Clavier Book 1 now thinking: what if I wanted to call something "The Evil-Tempered Clavier"? I'm sure this has been done. Would that be "Das Bo"setemperierte Clavier"? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 09:03:54 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: it's the arts At 06:22 AM 10/5/99 -0700, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: >If Bowie were *really* doing right by these "artists" >he'd put his boot right up their vapid asses. Bowie can't fight worth a damn. Look at his messed-up enlarged pupil... that was the result a damn good ass-whomping! Those artists would wipe Giuliani's butt with Bowie. Sheee-it. These are BRITISH artists, for pisschrist's sake! And everyone knows that the brits are HARD! Except for Bowie. - --Jason "no, his eyes AREN'T different colors" Thornton "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:10:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Famous Blue Raincoat This doesn't answer either of your questions, but I just wanted to say that I've always loved Ruin's cover of "Famous Blue Raincoat." Ruin was an 80s Buddhist hardcore band from Philadelphia, and it seems they reunited recently. "FBR" was originally on their LP _Fiat Lux_; now it and practically everything else the old Ruin recorded are on a retrospective CD, _Songs of Reverie and Ruin_. Gotta love those Buddhist punks! - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:10:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: the best quote yet "All that said, whatever poor publicity surrounds the Turner, it can actually make or break an artist's commercial career. This year's winner, Chris Ofili, will perhaps be most remembered for his mockery of traditional art techniques and his experimentation with elephant dung (an idea that originated in Zimbabwe) and decorative beads: the juxtaposition of both the base and the beautiful. While the Tate is keen to assert a relationship to William Blake, the more down-to-earth art critic finds himself in complete agreement with Ofili, as one critic noted: 'that modern art is just a pile of crap.'" http://www.varsity.cam.ac.uk/VarsityOnline/Online2/Content/Visual_Arts/Stories/150199_turner2.html This must explain his deep and fascinating work "Bag of Shit." (I am not making this up.) Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:13:29 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: Famous Blue Raincoat Drew writz: >2) What would it mean to "misread" "Famous Blue Raincoat" >in particular? Something like this might qualify: "The last time we saw you, you looked so much darker Your famous blue raincoat was now a black parka You'd been to the Kwik Mart to rent "Terror Train" And you came home with a big ketchup stain..." And they say parody is Not Art! PSHAW! >Is there some irony or hidden dimension that >both I and Tori missed? I'm not so sure about the irony part, but in light of Hillary's bid for the New York Senate seat, this part seems awfully prescient, don't you think?... "New York is cold, but I like where I'm living There's music on Clinton Street all through the evening I hear that you're building your little house Deep in the desert You're living for nothing now I hope you're keeping some kind of record." Creepy! John H. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 09:18:24 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: dead shark in a jar >>Anyone else (Mark?) find the idea of an art exhibit consisting of a >>dead shark suspended in a tank of formaldehyde offensive? ;) > >Rubbersharks are immune to picklization by formadehyde. Or that's what >they said on the Discovery Channel last night, in a great special >called "Glauster Me Blue". > >I find it funny that other people would find it offensive, though. >Didn't anyone of these people have to dissect a pickled frog in high >school? Whassa differmints? If a dead shark suspended in a tank of formaldehyde (I typed "formaldehype" first my mistakey...) were exhibited in a natural history museum, it wouldn't be getting any press. Hell, the dried up whale penises I've seen at aquariums barely raise an eyebrow... except amongst the laaaaadies... Um... I had a point here... Oh yeah. I checked out some more of "Sensation" at www.davidbowie.com, complete with the hilarious "Health Warning." There's a piece called "The God Look-Alike Contest" that looks like it might be very amusing if I could see it better. David, if you are going to put art up on your website, please make it large enough to actually view. By the way, in Drew's defense, the article for which I posted the link yesterday described the Virgin Mary piece as being "stained with a clump of elephant dung." Stained?!?! The press has been mighty sloppy methinks in regards to this work - either distorting it purposefully to artificially generate controversy, or just not checking up on the art itself to verify all the right-wing hot air. Fuck the pope! - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #375 *******************************