From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #372 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, October 2 1999 Volume 08 : Number 372 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: NIN, another day closer to death, etc ["JH3" ] Re: Kim Fields ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: NIN, another day closer to death, etc ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: NIN, another day closer to death, etc ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: Cambridge 99, NYC 85 ["Capitalism Blows" ] Re: US tour dates ["Capitalism Blows" ] Re: NIN, another day closer to death, etc [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: NIN, another day closer to death, etc [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Pointless drivel about NIN and such [The Great Quail ] Re: NIN, another day closer to death, etc [Jason Thornton ] and if you need some comic relief after the preceding soap opera.... [Eb ] Re: and if you need some comic relief after the preceding soap opera.... [dmw Subject: Re: NIN, another day closer to death, etc From: MARKEEFE@aol.com: >Someone shouldn't produce good music because there will >inevitably be pale imitators? Now there's a good question. Popularizing an entire genre or sub-genre is different from just "producing good music"; you don't always do the former as a result of doing the latter. But there are hardly any instances where someone who releases a (non-mainstream) record knows it will *inevitably* become so popular that there will be lousy imitators. I guess what I'm trying to say is that you can still hold people like Trent Reznor responsible for spawning a lot of imitator crapola without necessarily blaming him for wanting to make his own records on his own terms, no matter how good they are. Even though he might not have done so intentionally. I know I do... John H. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 22:42:58 -0400 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: Kim Fields At 2:28 PM -0700 10/1/99, Jason R. Thornton wrote: >I purchased the new Tori Amos double album at the same time I did the NIN. >While nothing on that really strikes me as cuttable, the whole thing does >seem to me to be more like two separate albums (a new studio one, and a >live one) packaged together in a 2-fer-1.5 thingy rather than a whole, >flowing piece of work. I wouldn't have felt ripped off at all if they had >tossed the whole second disc completely, lowered the price down to the >normal single CD range, and just relegated the live tracks to B-sideland. >--Jason "20,000 Tori-ettes are now going for my throat" Thornton Nah -- I'm a Tori-ette and I can understand your feeling there. Actually I kind of think the first disc belongs in B-sideland, though I like it anyway. I thought the live disc was pretty solid. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, wyrd@rochester.rr.com http://home.rochester.rr.com/wyrd/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 22:52:49 -0400 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: NIN, another day closer to death, etc At 5:32 PM -0400 10/1/99, MARKEEFE@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 10/1/99 12:35:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >schnopia@yahoo.com writes: > ><< Maybe there's an emphasis on "good" there that I can't > hear. Wouldn't you hold Trent Reznor personally > responsible for, say, Korn? >> > > No, I would hold, say, Korn responsible for Korn. Someone shouldn't >produce good music because there will inevitably be pale imitators? Or are >you saying that NIN sucks and that Korn sucks even worse? I'm just saying that music "in this vein" is still being made, in larger quantities than ever. Which is why I probed to see if you were emphasizing that NIN is the good stuff. While I still feel that it's only necessary to own one NIN album (I feel the same way about Stereolab, Combustible Edison, and -- to a lesser extent -- Dead Can Dance and Ani DiFranco, but Stereolab is the only case in which I've put this maxim into practice), I also feel that there's plenty of talent at work there. I think we both agree that there's just about zero operating in the case of Korn. While Korn could not exist without NIN, I didn't mean to suggest that Reznor was "to blame" for Korn. I wouldn't lay that albatross on him. Is the new Ministry at all worthwhile? Not that I know whether the last one was. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, wyrd@rochester.rr.com http://home.rochester.rr.com/wyrd/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 22:54:17 -0400 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: NIN, another day closer to death, etc At 2:59 PM -0700 10/1/99, Jason R. Thornton wrote: > Or When in Rome for the Magnetic Fields! ;P Nah, I'd blame When in Rome for the Future Bible Heroes! Drew, who likes the Future Bible Heroes - -- Andrew D. Simchik, wyrd@rochester.rr.com http://home.rochester.rr.com/wyrd/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 22:55:54 -0400 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: Kim Fields At 5:54 PM -0700 10/1/99, Joel Mullins wrote: >And I would have little trouble dropping a chunk from The Soft Bulletin >to make that a superior EP. But I'm probably the only one on the list >who feels this way. I was about to reduce this to absurdity by naming off a list of albums I could drop chunks from to make superior singles, but...that would be absurd... Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, wyrd@rochester.rr.com http://home.rochester.rr.com/wyrd/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 22:57:44 -0400 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: NIN, another day closer to death, etc At 5:06 PM -0500 10/1/99, JH3 wrote: >I guess what I'm trying to say is that you can still hold people >like Trent Reznor responsible for spawning a lot of imitator >crapola without necessarily blaming him for wanting to make >his own records on his own terms, no matter how good they >are. Even though he might not have done so intentionally. I only *meant*, your majesty...er...that you shine out like a shaft of gold when all around is dark! Responsibility in the sense of causality! not blame! Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, wyrd@rochester.rr.com http://home.rochester.rr.com/wyrd/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 03:51:03 GMT From: "Shane Apple" Subject: damn fool! joel, in the middle of a drunken orgy, slurred: >And I would have little trouble dropping a chunk from The Soft >Bulletin >to make that a superior EP. and i would have little trouble dropping chunks from your mutilated body into the ocean. you, pal, are a damn fool! die die die! ok, i've heard the new stereolab (*the spider and monkey group play crazy rhythms under the moon*) a bunch of times now, and even though this beast might be a bit too long, i still think it's a) the best thing they've ever released (and i like stereolab a lot), b) possibly better than anything i've heard this year, and c) capable of making me happy enough not to really want to kill joel. i love the instrumentation they've added (vibes and sax mostly) (or is this just more out in the open than before?). the cd definitely has a more jazz feel to it. a great deal of it is more free-sounding to me, but those lovely vocal melodies are still in there to bring it all together and the group still bleeps in a soothing manner. the album is more rhythmically dangerous. it almost sounds like it should have been a transition album (one of those that aren't too great but necessary to move into superduper albums) but this one is just too good. i really think they've hit the nail on the head with this one. there were times when i tingled because of the blending of all these sounds hitting me in the right spot, and after the first minute of the opening track, i nearly had an orgasm. - --shane n.p. hans reichel *lower lurum* ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 00:45:36 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: Cambridge 99, NYC 85 cool. i might try to see if i can find it. *chris* cox filled in for andy --who'd got sick-- on their first tour of the states in '85. the summer tour, in other words. at least that's the way i understand it. but maybe it actually was the nov. '85 tour. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 01:01:43 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: US tour dates this RULES! robyn in concert on halloween! jason, i could *totally* pick you up in sacramento, and ferry you over to the great american music hall, thence down to l.a. for the week end. but i'm afraid i'll have to volunteer eb to get you back down to san diego, as i'll be having to high-tail it home to get ready for wto. mike, let's caravan. what a blast that shall be! and getting to meet brewer tom - -- bonus!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 11:33:15 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: NIN, another day closer to death, etc In a message dated 10/1/99 7:54:59 PM, wyrd@rochester.rr.com writes: << I'm just saying that music "in this vein" is still being made, in larger quantities than ever. Which is why I probed to see if you were emphasizing that NIN is the good stuff. >> Well, yeah, that's what I meant. << While I still feel that it's only necessary to own one NIN album (I feel the same way about Stereolab, Combustible Edison, and -- to a lesser extent -- Dead Can Dance and Ani DiFranco, but Stereolab is the only case in which I've put this maxim into practice), I also feel that there's plenty of talent at work there. >> I agree almost 100%! Except for Dead Can Dance. Our shelves here at home seem to reveal the need for 3 DCD CDs. << I think we both agree that there's just about zero operating in the case of Korn. >> I'd guess that 99% of Fegs (or more) would agree with that :-) [what's up with my use of percentages today?] << While Korn could not exist without NIN, I didn't mean to suggest that Reznor was "to blame" for Korn. I wouldn't lay that albatross on him. >> "I feel like I've got an albacore around my neck!" (from HBO's "The Soprano's" -- Tony's dad, in a flashback scene) << Is the new Ministry at all worthwhile? Not that I know whether the last one was. >> I'm trying to think of what could be *less* worthwhile than the last Ministry album . . . nothing much comes to mind. Maybe Korn? - -----Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 11:39:40 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: NIN, another day closer to death, etc In a message dated 10/1/99 7:59:32 PM, wyrd@rochester.rr.com writes: << Responsibility in the sense of causality! not blame! >> I think Drew must be the only person out there who doesn't have some sort of a tape in the back of their heads with a parent figure saying, "Okay, now who's responsible for this mess?!" I think I do, even though my mom never would've said something like that (must've been some TV parents or something). Anyway, yeah, while I can see how the "responsible" really only connotes "blame," the two words seem much more strongly linked in my mind. - -----Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 12:54:26 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Pointless drivel about NIN and such I just thought I would interrupt my Beatles Marathon for this QSA: Not that anyone cares at all, but here's my thoughts on the last few New Releases: NIN -- I like it. I agree that it may be a touch too long, but I like Wagner and Yes, so I don't mind a few extra minutes in a song. I am mildly disappointed though, as I really don't think it beaks much *new* ground. There is some of that slow, acoustic-y stuff, which I really like, but the rockers are still pretty much standard NIN rockers -- which is still a compliment, as I think Trent is the best at creating delightful sonic fugues that sound like factories spinning out of control. Though I do agree with Eb in terms of artistry and overall sound -- more Bowie, less Ministry. But that said, I still do like it, and it has that quality of "This will probably grow on me." So who knows? In a while I may be raving about it. I am also incapable of disliking anything at all that has both Adrian Belew and Mike Garson on it. And by the way, DREW, I think that "The Perfect Drug" was a *great* song. Tori -- I must say I am disappointed. The Live disc is just fine, but the studio one comes across as mushy and samey to me. I like her industrial thing just as much as I like her solo piano thing, but this disc seems to play far too much to rhythms and surreal lyrical repetitions rather than her real strength, which is superior song-crafting around unique melodies and delightful piano arrangements. (Do I sound like Eb? I'm trying hard.) I don't hate it, and like *all* Tori CDs it will certainly grow on me somewhat, but overall it seems murky and fairly uneventful save for a few songs here and there. Jethro Tull -- Hey! Wow! You all know I love Tull, but this was a pleasant surprise. Though as a *whole* it is not as strong as "Catfish Rising," there are some songs that blow anything away that they've done in the last fifteen years. The last three tracks are a wonderful return to form, with acoustic guitar, flute, and Ian singing in his minstrel mode. The whole album itself is fairly varied, but still holds together, as it sort of . . . evolves over the length of the CD. In fact, with the exception of Martin's nearly embarrassing track (Hot Mango Quail, or something like that), this album gets stronger as it plays out. Ian's voice is better than it's been on the last few, the flute playing and guitar work is crisper and more inspired, and the overall album has a more focused feel than "Roots to Branches." Moody Blues -- Um. Well, it's not as bad as the last few. And Ray Thomas songs some blathering song about fairies, so that's always a plus. But, God, when will John Lodge realize he is not a hip young rocker stud? When, oh God, when? - --Quail, Rock Critic to the Stars PS: Anyone hear the new Yes??? +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society, Kibroth-hattaavah Branch) For fun with postmodern literature, New York vampires, and Fegmania, visit Sarnath: http://www.rpg.net/quail "I'm not a critic, though I play on on the Internet." -- Doug Mayo-Wells ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 12:12:12 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Pointless drivel about NIN and such Quail: >Jethro Tull -- Hey! Wow! You all know I love Tull, but this was a >pleasant surprise. >Moody Blues -- Um. Well, it's not as bad as the last few. And Ray >Thomas songs some blathering song about fairies, so that's always a >plus. >PS: Anyone hear the new Yes??? God, give me strength.... ;) Eb np: Lennon Anthology, disc 2 & Material/Intonarumori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 13:33:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Thornton Subject: Re: NIN, another day closer to death, etc At 11:33 AM 10/2/99 EDT, MARKEEFE@aol.com wrote: > I'm trying to think of what could be *less* worthwhile than the last >Ministry album . . . nothing much comes to mind. Maybe Korn? I just got a catalog in the mail from Guitar Center this morning, and there's an ad for an Ibanez guitar in it that reads "The Most Affordable Way to Sound Like Limp Bizkit." Oof! - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 14:05:58 -0800 From: Eb Subject: speaking of Korn, Limp Bizkit and NIN... I just found this on the Nine Inch Nails newsgroup (I've been checking the group lately, because I'm curious about the fans' reaction to the new album). Supposedly this is email which Courtney Love sent to Rockrgrl magazine? Keep in mind that she's not the most reliable witness in the world, but...yikes. Sorry this is kinda long, but it's interesting, eh? I could see both Courtney-haters AND Korn-haters running with this.... Eb - -- Subject: Re: A CALL TO ARMS..... Okay im going to weigh in on this. Ive been thinking about it for a few weeks, and im in Mexico, doing my other job, but this Woodstock business has weighed heavy on me. Heres what i think; I think theres been a seachange lately in "rock". It started for me at the KROQ Acoustic christmas. Who the hell were these sort of Def Lepard chicks in the front row in white pants with the nineties version of feathered hair ( it still IS feathered hair) absouloutly bored and frightened of us? I havent seen that wierd face on a girl in the front row since 1990, its that, "my boyfriend told me your a freak" face or the "You dont have a cock and are therefore useless to me" face- wich is essentially true if youre these girls- i cant marry them and im certainly not going to buy them any more white pants ......some Prada maybe......I couldnt figure it and it REALLY caught me by surprise.....they were absouloutly old school 100% groupie girls and they wanted to be. wierd. obsolete , i thought. What the hell i thought. why would anyone want to have that energy in 1999 and WHO the hell is around to service them? (NIN not being on tour -we all know how i felt about the exploited groupies on the NIN tour. The girl in AnnArbor who was underaged and serviced the band bus then switched at a truck stop to the crew bus, then was left in the Mezzanine of the Ritz Carlton,in Chicago, where she was abandoned and had to hitchike home and was raped. She was 16 years old. ) and THEN it hit me. .Korn. Somehow we were playing UNDER Korn, i had been too lazy to whine about the billing, and kevin from KROQ is so suppportive of us i just do what he wants ,within reason. yeah ,well, stupid me, cos now im stuck with a front row full of these girls who really really really dont want to play guitar or drums and really DO spend alot of time on thier hair. BUT, im trying to do the math on this. Korn is "alternative"- the singer is a sweet sexually conflicted guy with an amazing voice, i dont really think he loathes women. i think he barely notices them. The rest of the band run the average boyband gamut from arrogant to gangster to sweetheart ( no math boys for me to even really talk to but theyre nice enough fellows) So I play a lame show and go off on them some, and i go backstage super super confused. KROQ my people, my community where a womans brain is her most important asset sort of- i know its loose, but compared to say groupie dinosaur bands like NIN or GnR, the KROQ backstage is normally a brain trust, Metallica dont do the groupie thing- even Manson and his kids seem pretty sensitive about the way women are on tour- theres lots of girls but they tell me they are treated well and basically one girl told me dressing up to fuck a band member(in Manson) is sort of her Carnival comes to town sex fantasy- Ill be Mary Magdalene and ill sleep with the Antichrist. Sounds fair to me. As long as she brings her cab fare. anyway, im walking around and these chicks are everywhere!! Alot of old ones alot of new ones, alot of strippers, so I conclude that Korn- who arent actually SEXY people per se; for whatever Mysterious reason tap into this repressed groupie collective. these chicks havent been out in a while theyre a bit of an obsolete breed and maybe they finally- after allthese years- found a band to put on the dog for.I dont get it , i dont love it, but i accept it. Ah But theres more, the plot thickens. So the next thing were in Australia, were not playing Under Korn were headlining the Big Day Out and they are third, and i dont see these girls in the front row again- i see groovy girls with bunny ears and i see goth girls with bad attitudes and i see the usual jock boys who muscle to the front- its a scary scary place the front , and the laws of nature dictate that the strongest people with the most desire to show off are going to get to the front so they are always there- squishing and pinching boobies, thats sort of the nature of the pit. You get your boobies pinched and you slap him. the end. But creeping around the edges are the Korn PEOPLE, the Korn MANAGEMENT team, and i do mean "creeping" cos theyre creeps. Big ones. i dont mean just Mysoginist- but oily. These are also the Limp Bizkit people, just so youll see where this is going. At one point i have the singer and bass player from Korn in my dressing room and, knowing these are working class guys from Bakersfield who are probably getting really screwed regarding thier publishing and thier royalty rates, i want to extend my knowledge- wich is alot - about such matters. One of thier people is present. I ask them did they sell thier publishing? Yes they say. for how much iask? they name an astonishingly low sum. i look at the "person" what the fuck is THAT? i ask. Your partner went to Harvard for THAT.? after a few more questions i realise that Korns situation with its management is beyond pathetic. Thier people own them in ways unimaginable in 1999- 1952 yes, but not now. They are essentially;slaves. slaves with Rolexes and groupies purchased for them by thier "people" So these guys have obviously been suckered massively- they dont know what the hell is going on, and their "person" is giving me a headache and a hairy eyeball for my enlightenment session. It worries me,korn getting ripped off and these groupies are somehow part of it- i just know it but ihavent figured it all out yet. Is this some Suge Knight fallout? i won der, pussy instead of cash? How is it here in rock? i thought it was a rap problem. oh yeah but raps crossed over, i guess korn have a sort of rap vibe to them, and Limp Bizket....are they doing business like rappers? getting screwed like rappers- who are famously ripped off and left penniless constantly ( read "have Gun Will Travel") So on the eve of the second Big Day Out i go back to the hotel and there they are! The groupies are back. or hookers. or strippers. theyre here and they ALL look miserable. I remember this routine from the heavy metal years....theyre waiting to get PICKED!!!! I cannot fucking believe my eyes , as i say hello, look at the floor and get my key. So embarassed. i see the "People" wrangling chicks for the band and themselves. I see some of the girls looking at me like theyre embarassed to be caught doing this sort of thing. I dont look back at them im ashamed.YUCK. I go to sleep disturbed as hell. But what can i do.? Im gonna sound like a priss if i say anything. When i said something in the NIN tour i got called all sorts of names, and as punishment ended up sleeping with that singer. wich, even though it was over in a second, has just haunted me- a real season in mysoginist hell. I havent seen any mis behaviour, just 25 miserable women in the lobby waiting to give head, theyll say "boys will be boys" theyll say im being a boor so i shut my mouth. The next afternoon i go downstairs , i walk throught he lobby and i hear my name - wailed- in wretched voice- i whip around, here in front of me is a bedraggled girl-18 maybe younger. One of Korns security "people" is dragging her. "Courtney "she screams"they raped me Courtney" Okay NOW im pissed. Now im fucking mad,okay? NOW im pissed. But the truth is im pissed at HER. i pause at that. Yeah i am ,im pissed at her. Cos I know everythings shes gonna say before she says it. And saint Courtney the Avenging Angel is going to do what? Kick thier asses?Make a scene? What the hell do these guys know? They arent smart like Trent is ( wich is what makes his Chick thing all the more evil)They were lucky to get laid Ever once before they were famous-come On! Theyre from BAKERSFIELD! So i turn around all full of piss and vinegar and i look at this poor kid and i just , i dont know i just melt, The Korn "person" is saying "Just ignore her Miss Love she was stalking a band member" yeah right, is that why her clothes are torn? is that why shes got scratches on her? is that why she has a laminate dangling down? Is that why her eyeliner and lipstick applied so carefully last night- maybe she thought, Im going to have sex with a travelling musician its going to be so glamourous,maybe hell fall in love with me, maybe hell take me back to LA with him, maybe ill be his girlfriend-is smeared all over her face? Did she get to have an Orgasm? Hell no from the looks of it. I grab her from him. he grabs her back Bozo KNOWS hes in some shit- plus my security person is bigger than him. "They raped me" shes sobbing "what did you think they would do?" i ask her-sternly i feel like a fucking parole officer- its so wierd. she doesnt answer. she gulps, she sobbing. and then she names the person. and LO AND BEHOLD, its one of the Korn "People" - You knew this was coming right? And all of the sudden she turns into a negotiation, shes no longer a person. " i swear she crazy Miss Love ," (he wants me to drop it desperatly)For whatever reason i start to believe this guy- itd be alot easier-but he continues"whod touch her? Shes a dog" OKAY NOW IM REALLY FUCKING PISSED! I get the girl a bunch of money to go home,i make her swear shes going to make a police report , and i leave when i get to the venue i storm by the Korn "People" what can i do? Tell me what the hell im supposed to do? i dont know if anyone raped her, i wasnt there, you tell me what i was supposed to do? Ive got alot of power, i know i do, but SHE was in the lobby, she got "picked"- SHE put herself there. Or maybe the "people" thought she was a tasty young thing and they put her there. either way she attended the ceremony. Well, variations of this same story happened for the whole 2 weeks- girls storming at me in lobbies ,in parking lots,in the STORE, with a KornKomplaint, I started to shrug, i told them to get guitars, what the fuck? OfficerKortney KornKOmplaint "they exploited me. those guys in Korn used me" It was incessent and id listen and be polite, and feel empathy, but really i was pissed at these girls for getting suckered. And they always had really nice hair. Long . (An expression of the acquirers taste?) And whats intersting is it DID NOT happen on the - -aborted- Manson tour. Youd think? Right? but they seem to treat women pretty well as ive said,maybe they like thier Moms , or maybe most importantly, thier "People" are so occupied with Trent, that they dont pimp at them, i say "at" instead of "For" because i think this pimping business is control within the Korn/LimpBizket nexus. I dont think these guys "demand" picking sessions, i think they think that its a normal "rock" activity,i think these guys get these kids so much nookie they dont know what to do with it, The singer of korn described big decadent scenes that sounded cool and funny but only if everyone is really participating, and I think it sends out a 'vibe' and i think that vibe is foul and it stinks. I think audiences pick up on that vibe or image- that its Ok to disabuse and degrade us. I think the head"Person" of the Korn/LimpBizket ( and amazingly the Backstreet boys i dont even want to THINK about that) needs to cool his shit out or im going to start naming him, out loud and everywhere, and whats he going to do? Not ask us on the Family Values tour? Make it wierd at Interscope? better is he going to say im a crazy stalker groupie? uhhuh. ok baby. Ive stayed awake at night thinking about these poor stupid girls, and praying that these guys will get some terrifying girlfriends soon so this shit stops. and after Woodstock i just feel the SOURCE of this rape environment is buried somehow in this story- because this did not happen before now, since 91. Maybe im crazy ,maybe somehow, all of the sudden the boys got really fed up with all the singer songwriter girls and all the gentle emo alternative bands, i would if i was raging with testorone ( I actually am raging with testoterone: my gynocologist told me) damm straight id seek out a boy band where No Girls Allowed was the deal, Ive dealt with raging testoterone audiences and I can RELATE to them, I think the problem here is that us girls still think were "allowed" at a Limp Bizket show like we were at Nirvana, so its a card trick, Woodstock. And i turned it down .The truth is i had a bad bad feeling about it, and if idve been there i wouldve taken off my shirt, damm straight, and that probably would have made things worse anyway- the intention would have been to fuck with thier heads but theydve just thought i was stripping. So what to do? who knows. Cool the "person" out specifically. i think. and dont go mosh at these guys shows. and maybe we will go on the Family values tour just to get some estrogen in there as they all seem to TRY and behave when im around. I really dont know. you tell me. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 14:26:18 -0800 From: Eb Subject: and if you need some comic relief after the preceding soap opera.... http://www.gothic.net/~squee/net_goth_pix/a.html (start with A...see how far into the alphabet you can get without wetting your pants with laughter) http://www.gothic.net/~cossack/gothicbabe.html Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 18:22:17 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: and if you need some comic relief after the preceding soap opera.... On Sat, 2 Oct 1999, Eb wrote: > http://www.gothic.net/~squee/net_goth_pix/a.html (start with A...see how > far into the alphabet you can get without wetting your pants with laughter) heh. y'know how jonathan richman seems like he's a happy-go-lucky, well-adjusted sort of not-goth guy, 'cept he's got that song that goes, "i like vampire girls?" that's me. except for the happy-go-lucky, well-adjusted part. thanks, eb. also thought courtney on korn was pretty interesting...thanks for that, too. - -- d. - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #372 *******************************