From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #371 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, October 1 1999 Volume 08 : Number 371 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Joel's Noel's Hay Fever gig [shmac@ix.netcom.com (Scott Hunter McCleary)] Re: Joel's Noel's Hay Fever gig [Joel Mullins ] Re: verklarte nacht ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Transatlantic differences ["Stewart C. Russell" ] US Tour Trek [mrrunion@palmnet.net] Re: US tour dates ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: NIN, another day closer to death, etc ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: Magnetic Fields (was: NIN, another day closer to death, etc) ["Jason ] Re: OK, I'm posting this for no other reason, except that it's interesting [Aaron Mandel ] Re: Kim Fields ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: NIN, another day closer to death, etc [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: Kim Fields [Eb ] Re: NIN, another day closer to death, etc ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Cambridge 99, NYC 85 [Bill Pannifer ] Cambridge 99, NYC 85 [Bill Pannifer ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:53:23 -0400 From: shmac@ix.netcom.com (Scott Hunter McCleary) Subject: Joel's Noel's Hay Fever gig My Wife and My Dead Wife, certainly. Mebbe Spike Jones's The Sneezing Bee? ;-) ========= SH McCleary Prodigal Dog Communications Arlington, VA 22206 shmac@prodigaldog.com www.prodigaldog.com www.1480kHz.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 00:57:50 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: Joel's Noel's Hay Fever gig Scott Hunter McCleary wrote: > > My Wife and My Dead Wife, certainly. Umm. I don't think so. She doesn't want rock n roll. She wants *old* loungy or jazzy music. And I think you're confusing Hay Fever with Blithe Spirit, the Coward play that inspired My Wife and My Dead Wife. Joel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 09:15:41 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: verklarte nacht "Andrew D. Simchik" wrote: > > P.S. I guess I do have a Robyn Hitchcock question: is there > a reason why I keep seeing "Madonna of the Wasps" referred > to as "Lost Madonna of the Wasps"? Good answer given previously by Ken. One reference I've never heard (though Robyn claimed last night that it was a common American mondegreen) is Cheese Alarm referred to as "Somebody bring the cheese along". Stewart PS: Q: What's "E.T." short for? A: 'cos he's got wee legs. - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 09:39:55 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Transatlantic differences matt sewell wrote: > > Firstly, please allow me to introduce myself and to apologise if my message > is in anyway trite, offensive, ground that has been driven over, boring, > but... Hi Matt; I don't think this one's been covered before. > I saw RH in Winchester and in Oxford the other day(s?) and it made me wonder > (among other things) how he's different (or if he even is) in America. From listening to recorded American gigs, I think he can be more explanatory in his ramblings "over there" compared to "over here". He was brief, but decidedly off the wall last night. Stewart np: Terry Edwards & The Scapegoats - I didn't get where I am today ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 03:37:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: RE: OK, I'm posting this for no other reason - --- Eb wrote: > Drew: > >I read that his lyrics are no more interesting this time > >around -- true or false? > > True. But who listens to NIN for lyrics, anyway? More people (kids) than ought to, that's for sure! > I > wish Reznor would listen to more Bowie, and less > Ministry. Yup. > Ah well, they can't all be as good as Rasputina. :p Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:59:29 +0100 From: HAMISH_SIMPSON@HP-UnitedKingdom-om4.om.hp.com Subject: Glasgow gig Great gig last night in Glasgow if a little quiet (50-60 maybe). The following are the songs as I remember them but not in the right order. Solo: Mexican God, The Devil's Coachman, 1974, I'm Only You, Ghost Ship, Beautiful Girl w/ Kimbo: Madonna Of The Wasps, Cheese Alarm, Queen Of Eyes, Devil Mask, Sally Was A Legend, You And Oblivion, Kingdom Of Love, Insanely Jealous, It Sounds Great When You're Dead Encore, some w/ Kimbo, Terry and Ian: The Speed Of Things, Adoration Of The City, Beautiful Queen, Face of Death Looks like we got more songs than the previous dates! Started with Terry Edwards and the Scapegoats (who I'm listening to now) who were very strange but very interesting. (They sold me with an instrumental cover of the Mary Chain's "Never Understand".) Finished off their set being joined by Kimbo then Robyn for a bit of a jam. Robyn came on for his acoustic set interspersed with some excellent little monologues before being joined by Kimbo. I thought Kimbo looked dead sheepish and a little embarrassed. If you didn't know who he was you'd have thought Robyn had been his hero for years and this was a lifetime ambition realised. (My wife and her friend thought he was "cute"!) I was a bit worried there wouldn't be enough of us making enough noise to get an encore but we seemed to manage. High points: Devil's Coachman and the "all time best song in the history of mankind" Queen Of Eyes. (Like someone said, where am the Soft Boys reunion?) Y&O finished with a huge guitar duel ending that was pretty cool, if a little "Deliverance". I wasn't sure why the bass player of the Scapegoats didn't join in for the encores, especially Beautiful Queen which is lovely on the album. Kingdom of Love was also excellent, even without a band. Plenty of Soft Boys songs. Finally meeting a fellow subscriber (Hi Stewart). Low points: Small crowd. Dickhead slagging the Scapegoats drummer. Gig wasn't a week long residential event! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:04:29 +0100 From: HAMISH_SIMPSON@HP-UnitedKingdom-om4.om.hp.com Subject: Beautiful Queen Elvis CD Fegs, I seem to remember someone recently mentioned availability of a QE CD for sale. If anyone has or can get a copy then I have a friend who'd be very grateful. Ta muchly (H) oops, forgot to sign gig review. Still Playing: TE & Scapegoats (I Didn't Get Where I Am Today) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:28:04 +0100 From: duplanet@global2000.net Subject: US tour dates ROBYN HITCHCOCK TOUR DATES U.S. Oct 23: Austin, TX - Cactus Cafe (two shows) Oct 24: Austin, TX - Cactus Cafe Oct 26: Carrboro, NC - Cat's Cradle Oct 27: Baltimore,MD - Fletcher's Oct 29: Philadelphia, PA - TBA Oct 30: Boston, MA - The Paradise Oct 31: Northampton, MA - The Iron Horse Nov 1: NYC - Bowery Ballroom Nov 2: Hoboken, NJ - Maxwell's Nov 5: Pittsburgh, PA - Rosebud Nov 6: Ferndale, MI - Magic Bag Nov 7-9: TBA Nov 10: Chicago, IL - Metro Nov 11: Minneapolis, MN - First Avenue Nov 13: Denver, CO - Bluebird Theater Nov 16: Seattle, WA - Crocodile Nov 17: Portland, OR - Aladdin Theater Nov 19: San Francisco, CA - Great American Music Hall Nov 20: Los Angeles, CA - The Troubador ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:01:00 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: OK, I'm posting this for no other reason... >From: "JH3" >Subject: Re: OK, I'm posting this for no other reason... > >That's from the new Skinny Puppy album, right? Yup, it's from that new version of "Icebreaker": Passing ghost, here's the host, Talk of nothing matters most, Urban fracture, what's the matter, Only I am lost. > >"Fading light dims the sight, > >And a star gems the sky, gleaming bright. > >>From afar drawing nigh. Falls the night. Icebreaker, are words misused? Enough, those shameless views. Icebreaker, shall sail right through. Cold mirors give icy clues. > >"Day is done, gone the sun, > >>From the lake, from the hills, from the sky. > >All is well, safely rest. God is nigh. Die love. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:23:36 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Joel's Noel's Hay Fever gig On Fri, 1 Oct 1999, Joel Mullins wrote: > She doesn't want rock n roll. She wants *old* loungy or jazzy music. Definitely Coward's '20th Century Blues'. Other Coward songs that spring to mind are 'London Pride' and 'Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the middday out in the midday out in the midday sun'. Anything by Hoagy Carmichael - Hong Kong Blues? Old rocking chair? Lazybones? Stardust? A couple of Fats Wallers - Ain't Misbehavin'? Your feet's too big? That sort of stuff. - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:47 +0000 From: mrrunion@palmnet.net Subject: US Tour Trek Okay guys...talk me out of this insane idea rummaging through my brain right now. (Damn you, Eddie!) I'm considering making a week-long jaunt up and down the east coast here following Senor Robyn. First stop North Carolina (have a friend in Raleigh), then on to Baltimore (can anyone offer me a quiet corner in which to sleep? Bayard? Scary Mary? Chris Gross?), Philly (stay with Brewer Tom maybe), Boston (have a friend), NorthHampton (need a place to crash, any ideas?), and New York/New Jersey (lj and Quail, don't fail me now). Don't know if this'll come to pass, but any help with crashing-spots would be greatly appreciated. Crash-offers get a free acoustic performance...just me and my guitar. Email me off-list please. And now back to our regularly scheduled "Goth Talk with Eb and Drew". Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 08:56:30 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: US tour dates >Nov 19: San Francisco, CA - Great American Music Hall > >Nov 20: Los Angeles, CA - The Troubador I just found out that I'm going to be in beautiful Sacramento, California for work on Nov 19. Does anyone know how long it takes on average to drive from the capital to SF? I never trust the time estimates on Yahoo! Maps, which reported: 86.4 miles and 119 mins. I'm thinking I could rent a car (or catch a ride with Sacramento fegs, if there are any), catch the show, and then possibly drive back to Sacramento so I could fly back down to San Diego the next morning in time for another drive up to LA for a second night of Hitchcock and friends. I'm also open to other modes of transportation between the two cities if anyone has suggestions. I considered the possibility of hitching a ride with any road trippers heading from the SF show to the LA show, but I'd still need to get back down here. - --Jason "missing a beat in his first chorus" Thornton "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 09:09:15 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: NIN, another day closer to death, etc >>>And is anyone else (Jason?) puzzled by the missing beat in the first chorus >>>of "The Fragile"? There's a 3/4 measure inserted before the third line (the >>>rest of the song is entirely 4/4), and it's really jarring. Can this >>>possibly be intentional? OK, I heard what you're talking about. And, it is rather jarring. It sounds more like a Pro Tools editing error than something intentional. But, I suspect it must be intentional, if they do it live, as you mentioned... or, it's an mistake Trent has come to love, and has now incorporated into the live versions. Or maybe the band was lip syncing on the MTV awards. ;) >I wish there was more Garson. He adds a welcome touch of organic >musicianship to the songs he plays on. One track had one of those frantic, >flowery keyboard runs like you hear on Aladdin Sane...yummy. I listened to the Garson tracks last night, and they are very tasty. The songs put me in the mood for "1. Outside" this morning. I do love that hybridization of harsh repetitive electronics and gorgeous acoustic or more "natural" sounding instruments weaving more intricate and/or improvisational lines. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:19:37 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: CUSeeMe Eb says, >What makes you think I know anything about stripbars? Actually, I recently >amazed some male friend of mine, upon telling him that I have *never* been >to one. Then again, why should I? LJ's nightly performances on CUSeeMe are >adequate enough. Um . . . Eb? Can you maybe, er, email me the address and time of those performances? I've always wondered what she does when she puts that huge refrigerator box over herself, her lingerie collection, and her computer. . . . all I hear is Oasis, muffled by the cardboard . . . - --Quail ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society, Kibroth-hattaavah Branch) For fun with postmodern literature, New York vampires, and Fegmania, visit Sarnath: http://www.rpg.net/quail "With the quail you had to stay on the move... Quail was king. Only the quail exploded upward into the sky and made your heart bang away so madly in your ribcage." --Tom Wolfe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 09:31:02 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Magnetic Fields (was: NIN, another day closer to death, etc) > Didn't like the 6ths album?! That's really scary. But I guess such a >predisposition towards 80's keyboards would do it. The new material leans a >lot more heavily on acoustic instruments and just regular ol' electric >guitar, although there are some tracks that are built around some percolating >keyboards. Whatever the medium, though, Stephin Merritt writes fantastic >songs. "69 Love Songs" has moved way up there on my list of this year's >favorites, with "Jewels for Sophia" and "Soft Bulletin" the only albums that >I'm fairly certian it won't surpass. So, I'll jump on any chance to plug it >that I possibly can. Although I will say that Volume 1 is the best of the >three and that there's some stranger stuff on Volume 2 that works better when >considered along with all the other material in the set. It's Merritt's singing that has been grating on me more than anything. In fact, I even like some bubbling synthesizers, so that side of it doesn't really bug me too much... well, at a couple of points the album the keyboards do sound a tad bit too New Wave retro. It's almost everything he sings: he does it with those New Romantic, early MTV stylings, and I want to hear that about as much as I want to hear some '90's swing revival outfit sing about "zoot suits" or Green Day imitate the Sex Pistols. There's at least one song that a female member of the band sings that I really like. And, musically, there are some intriguing tracks, like "Love is Jazz." But, overall, I just wasn't all that impressed. And, judging from this volume, I didn't see enough standout songs to justify releasing three CD's of material all at once. Except to make the "69" in the title a literal reality. - --Jason "prefers 99 anyhow" Thornton "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:09:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: OK, I'm posting this for no other reason, except that it's interesting On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, Jason R. Thornton wrote: > I'm more puzzled by this Magnetic Fields CD I bought: "69 Love Songs > Volume 2." I think someone slipped me a When In Rome or Camouflage > disc instead. Much as I am irritated by the label's claims that the album encompasses every popular musical genre (the 'punk' song is a 30-second joke and actually sounds more like the B-52's), I find this equally surprising. Do "You're My Only Home" and "Papa Was A Rodeo" really sound like When In Rome to you, or is it that the few 80s songs strike you immediately and cause you to cast the others into their context? "Promises Of Eternity" aside, I just don't get it. To me, what stands out on disc 2 is that there's a little too much ukelele in the second half. Now, I don't have an ear for chords, so if in fact he's using piles of characteristically 80s melodies, I wouldn't catch that... still setting "Promises Of Eternity" aside. The album Holiday really makes the fundamental dynamic more obvious; he consistently uses synthpop structures, but the weirdness of the production is more obviously intentional. I guess I can understand hearing part of 69LS and thinking that it was a merely a fabulous pop album with a few lapses into uninspired lyric parody and a few last-minute goofy ideas. aaron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 11:35:03 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: OK, I'm posting this for no other reason, except that it's interesting >> I'm more puzzled by this Magnetic Fields CD I bought: "69 Love Songs >> Volume 2." I think someone slipped me a When In Rome or Camouflage >> disc instead. > >Much as I am irritated by the label's claims that the album encompasses >every popular musical genre (the 'punk' song is a 30-second joke and >actually sounds more like the B-52's), I find this equally surprising. I don't necessarily think that sort of diversity would be all that impressive, even if it were true. And, it may be just be a valid claim. Having heard only one-third of the "album" so far, I can't really say. But, heck, any guitar instructor worth his weight in Baby Jesus picks can ape dozens upon dozens of different musical styles. It doesn't mean though that the finished products are really all that interesting or innovative. Look at someone like Weird Al. He can copycat all kinds of things, often to an amazing degree of accuracy. Yet nothing he has done has even been worth recording. And none of it has had even an ounce of creativity to it. >Do >"You're My Only Home" and "Papa Was A Rodeo" really sound like When In >Rome to you, or is it that the few 80s songs strike you immediately and >cause you to cast the others into their context? No, admittedly. With 23 songs, not all have that 80s vibe a-going. But, most everything on the album with male vocals does, at least in the vocal department. The comment was aimed more at those elements which really stand out as being New Wavy. I even like some synth-pop (eek!), so that alone wouldn't drive me to dislike a album. It's just that I was reminded more of uninteresting pop a la When In Rome than some of the much more better crafter tunes of someone like the Pet Shop Boys. "Papa was a Rodeo" is probably my favorite track on the disc. >"Promises Of Eternity" aside, I just don't get it. To me, what stands out >on disc 2 is that there's a little too much ukelele in the second half. >Now, I don't have an ear for chords, so if in fact he's using piles of >characteristically 80s melodies, I wouldn't catch that... still setting >"Promises Of Eternity" aside. Chords, schmords. ;) Seriously, though. I'm not thinking of pop song structure in so much as I'm thinking of delivery. And none of it struck me as authentic. The whole things smacks of imitation and retro cloning. >The album Holiday really makes the fundamental dynamic more obvious; he >consistently uses synthpop structures, but the weirdness of the production >is more obviously intentional. I guess I can understand hearing part of >69LS and thinking that it was a merely a fabulous pop album with a few >lapses into uninspired lyric parody and a few last-minute goofy ideas. Oh, I don't even think it's "merely...fabulous." You know, I often hate it when people bitch about there being too much filler on double albums and such. But judging from Volume 2, I'm guessing 69LS is loaded with filler with a capital L. And, in fact, I can't think of a single song I would classify as even "fabulous." There are some "good" songs, yes. And a few I like. If Volume 2 is an indicator (and, yup, it might not be), I'd say that if 69 Love Songs were culled down to maybe 12 Love Songs, you might have a "pretty good" pop album on your hands, if that. But nothing fabulous. I'm quite willing to change my mind on that if Volume 1 or 3 have some really outstanding stuff on them. I almost started with Volume 1. But the copy they had at Lou's Records rattled when I picked it up, as if something were broken inside, so I moved on to Volume 2. Given everything that was said about it, I'm honestly very, very surprised that I didn't like "69 Love Songs - Vol. 2" more. From the descriptions, it sounds like something I would really go for. In fact, I was really excited about going and getting it. There are aspects I really appreciate - but the pieces just don't add up for me. - --Jason "lapdancing for dollars" Thornton "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:57:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: OK, I'm posting this for no other reason, except that it's interesting - --- "Jason R. Thornton" wrote: > Look at someone like Weird Al. He can copycat all kinds > of things, often to an amazing degree of accuracy. Yet > nothing he has done has even been worth recording. And > none of it has had even an ounce of creativity to it. Here we go again. :) While obviously I agree that Weird Al must be regarded as a(n only occasionally brilliant) parodist and not an Artist In His Own Right, I really really love his polkas wouldn't be willing to agree that they weren't worth recording. Besides, he's like totally goth! Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:18:21 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: NIN, another day closer to death, etc In a message dated 10/1/99 9:09:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jthornton@ucsd.edu writes: << >>>And is anyone else (Jason?) puzzled by the missing beat in the first chorus >>>of "The Fragile"? There's a 3/4 measure inserted before the third line (the >>>rest of the song is entirely 4/4), and it's really jarring. Can this >>>possibly be intentional? OK, I heard what you're talking about. And, it is rather jarring. It sounds more like a Pro Tools editing error than something intentional. But, I suspect it must be intentional, if they do it live, as you mentioned... or, it's an mistake Trent has come to love, and has now incorporated into the live versions. >> I don't know. I don't find it particularly jarring. In fact, I think it works! In fact, it's probably the best part of the song (which has interested me the least of all the songs I've heard so far -- an obvious choice for a single). I'm most of the way through my first listen to disc 1 right now (just got the promo this morning). I generally like it. Objectively, I'd give it a pretty big thumb's up. I doubt it will become a personal favorite, but it's cool that at least someone is still making good music in this vein. - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:36:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: NIN, another day closer to death, etc - --- MARKEEFE@aol.com wrote: [NIN] > personal favorite, but it's cool that at least someone is > still making good > music in this vein. Maybe there's an emphasis on "good" there that I can't hear. Wouldn't you hold Trent Reznor personally responsible for, say, Korn? Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:38:45 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Kim Fields Jason: >And none of it struck me as authentic. The whole things smacks of >imitation and retro cloning. Oof. I haven't heard any part of 69 Songs, but a criticism like this makes all sorts of alarms go off in my head. >You know, I often hate it when people bitch about there being too much >filler on double albums and such. Well, you'd better skip reading all the NIN reviews, then. ;) Eb, who would have little trouble dropping 25-30 minutes from The Fragile to make it a single (superior) CD ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 14:28:36 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Kim Fields At 01:38 PM 10/1/99 -0800, Eb wrote: >>You know, I often hate it when people bitch about there being too much >>filler on double albums and such. > >Well, you'd better skip reading all the NIN reviews, then. ;) Heh. >Eb, who would have little trouble dropping 25-30 minutes from The Fragile >to make it a single (superior) CD Hmmm. I dunno yet. :) I'm fond of everything I've heard so far. You know, though, I was thinking the same thing about "1. Outside" this morning - I'd have little trouble dropping a big ol' chunk of filler from that single CD to make it a superior (and still single) CD. I purchased the new Tori Amos double album at the same time I did the NIN. While nothing on that really strikes me as cuttable, the whole thing does seem to me to be more like two separate albums (a new studio one, and a live one) packaged together in a 2-fer-1.5 thingy rather than a whole, flowing piece of work. I wouldn't have felt ripped off at all if they had tossed the whole second disc completely, lowered the price down to the normal single CD range, and just relegated the live tracks to B-sideland. - --Jason "20,000 Tori-ettes are now going for my throat" Thornton "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:32:44 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: NIN, another day closer to death, etc In a message dated 10/1/99 12:35:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, schnopia@yahoo.com writes: << Maybe there's an emphasis on "good" there that I can't hear. Wouldn't you hold Trent Reznor personally responsible for, say, Korn? >> No, I would hold, say, Korn responsible for Korn. Someone shouldn't produce good music because there will inevitably be pale imitators? Or are you saying that NIN sucks and that Korn sucks even worse? Still, only Korn would be to blame for sucking even worse . . . *especially* if that's your take on it, in fact. Well, Korn and stupid kids with too much money in their pockets. - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:50:10 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Kim Fields >You know, though, I was thinking the same thing about "1. Outside" this >morning - I'd have little trouble dropping a big ol' chunk of filler from >that single CD to make it a superior (and still single) CD. Oh, no kidding! Other than the last Tool album (hi Eddie), Outside is probably the most padded CD I've heard in recent years. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 14:59:28 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: NIN, another day closer to death, etc ><< Maybe there's an emphasis on "good" there that I can't > hear. Wouldn't you hold Trent Reznor personally > responsible for, say, Korn? >> > > No, I would hold, say, Korn responsible for Korn. Someone shouldn't >produce good music because there will inevitably be pale imitators? Right on! You wouldn't blame Led Zeppelin for Whitesnake, et al. would you? You wouldn't blame Bob Dylan for Jewel! Or little Stevie Wonder for Jamiroquai! Or When in Rome for the Magnetic Fields! ;P - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 17:54:44 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: Kim Fields Jason R. Thornton wrote: > >Eb, who would have little trouble dropping 25-30 minutes from The Fragile > >to make it a single (superior) CD > You know, though, I was thinking the same thing about "1. Outside" this morning - I'd have little trouble dropping a big ol' chunk of filler from that single CD to make it a superior (and still single) CD. And I would have little trouble dropping a chunk from The Soft Bulletin to make that a superior EP. But I'm probably the only one on the list who feels this way. Joel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 19:00:40 +0100 (BST) From: Bill Pannifer Subject: Cambridge 99, NYC 85 The Portland Arms was up there in my top three or four Robyn gigs. And for once I was not wired! Anyone tape it? Also, I saw a "lost" Egyptians show at Irving Plaza in New York in November 85, either 3rd, 6th, 7th, 8th, or 9th Nov (I know this because I caught it between six Dead shows!). Different from either of the 85 Irving Plaza gigs listed by Bayard - opened, obscurely, with Unsettled from GofF. Different bassist I seem to remember, maybe Sara before I knew who she was. Anyone have a setlist/tape? Bill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 19:24:17 +0100 (BST) From: Bill Pannifer Subject: Cambridge 99, NYC 85 re. Irving Plaza 85 No it can't have opened with Unsettled, couple of years too early. Hmm. Bill ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #371 *******************************