From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #368 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, September 28 1999 Volume 08 : Number 368 Today's Subjects: ----------------- forward into the past [Katherine Rossner ] Re: sometimes I wish I were a pretty goth [Capuchin ] Re: Ye Squires!!!! God's hooks! Yegads! ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] boy, i wanna hear this! [Eb ] Re: Goth Talk ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: Goth Talk [Eb ] Re: Goth Talk [Miles Goosens ] Happy Goth Day! ["Jason R. Thornton" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:10:04 -0400 From: Katherine Rossner Subject: forward into the past this 'n' that: Randi--I'm glad to see that you and Jeme got things straightened out. If a stranger might comment: it's so easy when one is seriously ill and/or depressed, to misunderstand idle comments in this way...please, please try not to let that happen. Sounds to me like everybody on the list is very concerned and wants you to stay around. **** >From: The Great Quail >Subject: Ye Squires!!!! God's hooks! Yegads! >Well, I spent two years in the SCA, mostly getting the shit whacked >out of me with aforementioned PVC pipe. I dropped out primarily >because many of the folk in the SCA are really really into the whole >"violence as a solution to problems" thing, which kind of startled >me. I was actually expecting more Tolkien-addicted geeks, but what I >got were large men who really enjoyed working out their anger (anger >perhaps derived from long-standing anxiety over that missing issue of >"Radioactive Man" they can never find to complete their collection) >in a ridged field of brute power and implied violence. Very strange...maybe it depends on region or something? My experience in the SCA included very little of this; I saw mostly Evil Politicking and all the sexual goings-on. >Oh, by the way, I joined for the sex. SCA women are notoriously >loose. (Of course, they were all sleeping with the men who have the >longest, hardest PVC pipes, though. Sigh.) Hey, not *all*! The guy I fell for who wasn't much of a fighter at all...but he spoke several languages (and was learning Finnish to read the Kalevala), made his own garb, knew heraldry, and in his non-SCA hours created the most beautiful needlepoint tapestries I've ever seen... >PPS: Those who laugh at the SCA should bear in mind that the US >Militarty lists them as a paramilitary organization, and places them >with the Boy Scouts and the NRA as useful organizations to call up >for support in the event of a national security crisis. Like, >perhaps, an invasion of Lombards. Try January 1980...the aforementioned gentleman (using the term very loosely) thought we should declare a crusade to go rescue the hostages in Iran. *** >From: Capuchin >Subject: Re: sometimes I wish I were a pretty goth >Recreation, in the modern sense, doesn't require creativity. Maybe not, if it's strictly literal/faithful recreation (though even there an argument could be made, I suspect). But, as has been said, the SCA is more about imaginative recreation. Not just that it's "the past as it should have been", but also on levels from creating a persona to making up clothes or heraldry or whatever. Katherine (once a herald in Bhakail), avoiding schoolwork n.p. Jean-Luc Ponty (et al.), TCHOKOLA - -- Ye knowe ek, that in forme of speche is chaunge Withinne a thousand yere, and wordes tho That hadden pris, now wonder nyce and straunge Us thinketh hem, and yet they spake hem so. - Chaucer, "Troilus and Criseyde" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 11:13:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: sometimes I wish I were a pretty goth On Tue, 28 Sep 1999, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > > Main Entry: 3camp > > Function: noun > > Etymology: origin unknown > > Date: circa 1909 > > 1 : exaggerated effeminate mannerisms exhibited > > especially by homosexuals > > 2 : a homosexual displaying camp > > 3 : something so outrageously artificial, affected, > > inappropriate, or > > out-of-date as to be considered amusing > > 4 : something self-consciously exaggerated or theatrical > > > > Goth doesn't fit into some of these most of the time? > > Nope. 1 and 2 don't apply. (Honest.) Exaggerated effeminate mannerisms don't apply? Forget the bit after and including "especially". But there's a whole lot of effeminate manner in goth. Certainly more than you get in, say, a line dancing crowd. > 3 and 4 really rest on this notion of self-consciousness, and most > goths I've encountered don't display much of that. They're not self-conscious? Dress them in a lime green T-shirt and acid washed jeans and ask them to about their daily business. Many of them would be paralyzed. And you agreed that goth is largely theatrical... certainly it's exaggerated. And goths are pretty self-conscious about maintaining that. > The ones that do can be sort of camp with it, but that's really > meta-goth and depends on some basic notion of goth they're playing > with, that they love and laugh at simultaneously (affectionate parody > or satire being as good a definition of camp as anything in that > dictionary). Goth is frequently amusing, yes, but it's not undertaken > (ha!) as a form of comedy. I don't think it has to be. When I look at the third sense of the word, I just see that it has to be considered amusing. I'm amused. That's good enough. > > > > and dark > > > Polyester, yes, probably Pink Flamingos, but > > > Hairspray? Pecker? Cry Baby? > > I haven't seen Hairspray, > Easily my favorite John Waters film, probably because > it was my first. Too camp for me. I've tried watching it. > > but Pecker and Cry Baby are > > both very dark. > > They're celebrations of dysfunction and creepiness. > Maybe you read them that way. Pecker in particular is anything *but* > a "celebration of dysfunction and creepiness". The New York art > critics who bring Pecker to the Big City are the ones who celebrate > what they see as dysfunction and creepiness. The New York types revel in the dysfunction and creepiness while understanding that it's dysfunctional and creepy and "not really how _WE_ are, don't you know." > The reversal at the end invites them and the viewer to reconsider that > assessment. The reversal at the end says "enjoy the creepiness because you are creepy, the dysfunctionality because you are dysfunctional, the darkness because you are dark." John Waters is a firm believer in the equality of everything... from crazy women who think the mother of their savior is a ventriloquist's dummy to little insectile girls to tea-baggin' trade hounds. I personally find that view unintellectual and contemptuous of analytical thought, but that's just me. > It's a blindingly obvious message in a really warm, bright, joyous > comedy. It's not dark at all...IMO, of course. I think there's definite cause to doubt its brightness. But you know? I saw it twice in the theater and really enjoyed it both times. But I still think it's a celebration of the gritty things... sort of like telling your audience you have to move your bowels. > Cry Baby is more ambiguous, but again it depends on your point of > view. What could be more dysfunctional or creepy than that a capella > in sweaters gig Depp and co. disrupt near the beginning? Do you think > the movie celebrates that scene? Celebrates that scene? I'm not sure what you mean there. Cry Baby is about the back side of fifties white-wash Americana. It's boomerschtick. > > > > and theatrical > > > You (generic) keep using that word. I don't > > > think it means what you think it means. > > Ugh. > How very Eb of you. When in Rome, you know? I was really trying to express my weariness of both the endless pop-culture quotes and having to cull dictionary entries. > I didn't say goth wasn't theatrical. I'm inclined to > agree, and to celebrate that. I did say Spats Ransom's > voice wasn't theatrical, and I questioned the use of > the term to describe John Waters films. I don't think > the emotional content there is as simple as "pretense" > or "artificiality," and again refer you to camp. Of COURSE it's artificial. If it weren't artificial, there wouldn't be a market for it. That's why it's so easy to mock gothstuff. Look at Goth Talk on Saturday Night Live. If it required any kind of REAL feeling, you wouldn't be able to duplicate it so cuttingly in parody. It's like Celine Dion or Glam Metal. Follow the formula and you have something that either actually exists or is just as likely to exist as a real thing. > No question. They're larger-than-life, cartoonish, > sketchy representations of outrageous people. If > you recall I agreed with you on this point. I do. I was just clarifying what I meant by "unoriginally inspired" because I can see how a reader might go the other way. > > I was a theater major before switching to mathematics. I got my fill > > of all three over and over and over. In high school, I even attended > > a few SCA events with friends that were Quite Involved. > You obviously left all three with very different ideas > of what they're all about than I did, then, judging from > your perplexing views on Pecker above. I hope my view of Pecker is more clear. I think it's hard to deny that this movie (and most of the John Waters I've seen) is all about enjoying what is generally considered unpleasant. (Now, American Beauty says THE RIGHT thing: acknowledge the unpleasant thing as unpleasant, then see the beauty of the thing.) > > > If you're asking about me, you might as well use my > > > name in the question. > > I hope you're kidding. > I assumed you were referring to my tongue-in-cheek > comments about my goth picshah. It seemed to fit. > Besides, you should know that simply everything is > about ME ME ME. Yeah, if I hadn't picked that up before yesterday, the two picture links would have given it away. > > But, you know, if it causes introspection, run with it. > OK! Thanks! Keep running. Je. - -- ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:59:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: sometimes I wish I were a pretty goth - --- Capuchin wrote: [the definition we're working from:] > > > Main Entry: 3camp > > > Function: noun > > > Etymology: origin unknown > > > Date: circa 1909 > > > 1 : exaggerated effeminate mannerisms exhibited > > > especially by homosexuals > > > 2 : a homosexual displaying camp > > > 3 : something so outrageously artificial, affected, > > > inappropriate, or > > > out-of-date as to be considered amusing > > > 4 : something self-consciously exaggerated or > theatrical > > > > > > Goth doesn't fit into some of these most of the time? > > > > Nope. 1 and 2 don't apply. (Honest.) > > Exaggerated effeminate mannerisms don't apply? Forget > the bit after and > including "especially". You can't. Those are essential to that sense of the word. "Especially" is an understatement. > But there's a whole lot of > effeminate manner in > goth. Certainly more than you get in, say, a line > dancing crowd. It's true that your average goth guy is less likely (though not unlikely) to affect a butch posture. But again, when a homo "camps it up," it means something different than when a gothboy tarts himself up. The homo is being funny. The gothboy is trying to get laid. The former is camp. The latter is not. > > 3 and 4 really rest on this notion of > self-consciousness, and most > > goths I've encountered don't display much of that. > > They're not self-conscious? Dress them in a lime green > T-shirt and acid > washed jeans and ask them to about their daily business. > Many of them > would be paralyzed. Oh, come on, not self-conscious in that sense. Of course goths are self-conscious about their appearance. But camp is self-conscious in the sense of tongue-in-cheek. > > dictionary). Goth is frequently amusing, yes, but it's > not undertaken > > (ha!) as a form of comedy. > > I don't think it has to be. Camp does. > When I look at the third > sense of the word, I > just see that it has to be considered amusing. I'm > amused. That's good > enough. Well, if it's good enough for you, then it's good enough for you. I'm obviously unable to articulate what distinguishes a bunch of kids who are deadly serious about putting on makeup, dancing to droning music, and contemplating suicide from a bunch of adults dressing up like superheroes and filming a hilarious television show in the 60s, and to explain why the latter is camp but the former is not. I'm getting the feeling that most fegs don't give a shit either way. [Hairspray] > Too camp for me. I've tried watching it. Your loss. Actually Cry Baby is the one I have trouble sitting through. The material is way too familiar. > The New York types revel in the dysfunction and > creepiness while > understanding that it's dysfunctional and creepy and "not > really how _WE_ > are, don't you know." Yes. > The reversal at the end says "enjoy the creepiness > because you are creepy, > the dysfunctionality because you are dysfunctional, the > darkness because > you are dark." I would spin it another way: "you look just as creepy, dysfunctional, and dark to us as we do to you, so why don't we all just party together?" Which is about as un-goth a message as you can get (the goth message would be "we are normal, you are establishment conformist freaks who don't deserve to live"), even if you leave in your adjectives. I don't get "creepy" or "dark" at all... more like "strange," "quaint," "idiosyncratic," and most importantly, "benighted." (Don't let's talk etymology now.) > John Waters is a firm believer in the > equality of > everything... from crazy women who think the mother of > their savior is a > ventriloquist's dummy to little insectile girls to > tea-baggin' trade > hounds. I personally find that view unintellectual and > contemptuous of > analytical thought, but that's just me. It sure is just you. I find that view humanistic, tolerant, and compassionate. > > It's a blindingly obvious message in a really warm, > bright, joyous > > comedy. It's not dark at all...IMO, of course. > > I think there's definite cause to doubt its brightness. Well, it ain't _You've Got Mail_, that's true. > But you know? I saw it twice in the theater and really > enjoyed it both > times. But I still think it's a celebration of the > gritty things... sort > of like telling your audience you have to move your > bowels. Wow. I'm amazed that you could enjoy it at all if that was what you took away from it. Speaking of gritty things and bowels, why did you name yourself after a monkey? > > Cry Baby is more ambiguous, but again it depends on > your point of > > view. What could be more dysfunctional or creepy than > that a capella > > in sweaters gig Depp and co. disrupt near the > beginning? Do you think > > the movie celebrates that scene? > > Celebrates that scene? I'm not sure what you mean there. You said that Cry Baby celebrates the dysfunctional and creepy. I think "fifties white-wash Americana" is, or at least is portrayed in the movie as, dysfunctional and creepy. I'm guessing that, once again, you found the "back side" of that dysfunctional and creepy. > I was really trying to express my weariness of both the > endless > pop-culture quotes I can recall three. > and having to cull dictionary entries. Look up "endless" next. I'm pretty weary of you quoting the dictionary also, but only because it's an infamously poor substitute for argument about how words are used in the real world. > > voice wasn't theatrical, and I questioned the use of > > the term to describe John Waters films. I don't think > > the emotional content there is as simple as "pretense" > > or "artificiality," and again refer you to camp. > > Of COURSE it's artificial. If it weren't artificial, > there wouldn't be a > market for it. > > That's why it's so easy to mock gothstuff. My fault. "I don't think the emotional content [in John Waters films]..." Stop. Rewind. Record. > > You obviously left all three with very different ideas > > of what they're all about than I did, then, judging > from > > your perplexing views on Pecker above. > > I hope my view of Pecker is more clear. It was clear to begin with. What was perplexing was how you could have acquired such a view. > I think it's > hard to deny that > this movie (and most of the John Waters I've seen) is all > about enjoying > what is generally considered unpleasant. It's all about calling that into question and suggesting something about people who aren't capable of doing that. > (Now, American Beauty says THE RIGHT thing: acknowledge > the unpleasant > thing as unpleasant, then see the beauty of the thing.) "THE RIGHT thing," huh? Oh dear. Now I haven't seen _Pink Flamingos_, but I'll be glad to reconsider my feelings about John Waters if the point of Divine's dogshit-eating scene was to suggest that eating dogshit is sincerely beautiful and pleasant. I suspect -- though I haven't seen it either -- that _American Beauty_ deals with some of the same themes as John Waters films, but in a way that you personally find more palatable. (I'm not in a hurry to see it; it sounds for all the world like _Happiness_ lite.) > > Besides, you should know that simply everything is > > about ME ME ME. > > Yeah, if I hadn't picked that up before yesterday, the > two picture links > would have given it away. After "endless" you can look up "irony." It might help you with John Waters, too, as a matter of fact. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:40:46 -0800 From: Eb Subject: weenieism red alert, pt. 2 Does anyone (Michael?) have an opinion on the enduring notion that BMG-manufactured, collector-club CDs don't sound quite as good as ordinary label issues? The aforementioned Beach Boys box I bought is a BMG issue, I discovered (the bar codes were covered by stickers, on the rack). I've been ABing these CDs with my other Beach Boys CDs, and there COULD be a difference, but I'm not quite sure. It might be a case of differences between the two CD players, the cords, the input jacks, etc.... I tried to find information about this issue on the web, but really didn't find much. I did find one comment which said that BMG CDs are mastered from tapes which the record companies supply, and that these may not be the exact tapes which the labels themselves used.... Anyone have an informed view? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:02:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: Ye Squires!!!! God's hooks! Yegads! - --- The Great Quail wrote: > But nevertheless, I find that the fantasy/medieval crowd > really does > have a thing for pointless weenieistic accuracy and > testosterone-laden one-upping pissing contests. That's funny. I think you've also just described the world of newsgroups and mailing lists -- more specifically, the exchanges Eb, Capuchin, and I have just had. And just to be irritating: "But what does it meeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaan?" -- Ren > craftsman, Manos of the Torgo Clan!" And so on. . . . I wish there really were a Torgo Clan. I'd need to craft my own artificial knees, but it would be such an honor! > Oh, by the way, I joined for the sex. So did Manos, from what I understand. > PPS: Those who laugh at the SCA should bear in mind that > the US > Militarty lists them as a paramilitary organization, and > places them > with the Boy Scouts and the NRA as useful organizations > to call up > for support in the event of a national security crisis. They can't be serious! Sounds like Operation Human Shield to me. "Oh, yes, we, uh, need your help in defending the nation. Just stand over there and brandish those cardboard sabers, please. A little higher...that's it..." > Like, > perhaps, an invasion of Lombards. Indeed! Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:06:42 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Goth Talk Drew: >> John Waters is campy >Yes. Goth, as a rule, is not. At least, not intentionally.... >> Attitude. Ambience. Production. Arrangements. Attitude. >> Image. Fanbase. > >That's not an argument. It's not even a set of criteria. >It's a list of dimensions on which to establish criteria. Well, to me, the specific tipoffs are pretty obvious, and I think just about any informed music fan can sense if an artist's sound reflects the influence of this genre (whether strongly or faintly). Thus, it's not worth it to me to hammer out a long treatise on the subject. Unlike you, my image/lifestyle/girlfriend, etc. is not being threatened by this thread, so my emotional interest in the topic is considerably less intense. >So I'd agree with you that Rasputina are goth Sheesh, then why does this thread persist? >That's assuming that I would accept your dimensions as >definitive. I wouldn't; there's nothing at all in there >about lyrical content, emotional content, or musical >content (and non-goth genre affiliation). "Attitude" includes lyrical/emotional content. Obviously. >> I listened to five VWC soundclips on the CDNow site, one >> of them a cover of >> a standard Goth reference point, Kurt Weill. > >And what a macabre cover it is! All right, then score one point for the "VMC does have goth appeal" side. >> Also, the band >> clearly seems to have >> the cold, dreamy, layered production which Goth adherents >> crave. > >Oh, is that what they crave? I thought it was depressing >music with melodramatic, humorless lyrics. And all this >time it was the *production* they were after! A cheap, careless retort. There are different variables to the genre, which I have already mentioned. Quail: >Nothing is worse than geeks elevated to the status of bullies. Another Bill Gates fan, eh? Somebody: >pps: Eb likes Foetus? The mind boggles. Sure, why not? I've posted about Foetus before. I own quite a bit of Foetus, including some collectable 12-inches from the '80s. In fact, I think I own more EPs/12-inches/CD5s by Foetus than any other artist, except for Elvis Costello and Sonic Youth. I even own an old Pig 12-inch, purely because Foetus produced half of it. Like the oft-mentioned Brian Wilson, Jim Thirlwell is a brilliant arranger with a distinctive personal style. He seems to have lost some of his magic in recent years, but Deaf, Ache, Hole and Sink are fairly amazing records. Speaking of goth, I finally got around to playing the new Birthday Party compilation Live 81-82, and it's one of the scariest records I've ever heard. This is an endorsement. I'd also like to make a general announcement that my current pet peeves are people who use the phrase "...in spades" and people who sign email/letters with "Best," as the closing salutation. Thanks for listening. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:33:16 -0800 From: Eb Subject: boy, i wanna hear this! I hear that Elliott Smith sings the Beatles' "Because" on the American Beauty soundtrack? Wow! That could be excellent. Anyone seen the film yet? Eb, thinking Carole hasn't posted much lately ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:35:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: Goth Talk - --- Eb wrote: > Drew: > >> John Waters is campy > >Yes. Goth, as a rule, is not. > > At least, not intentionally.... Camp is intentional. "Self-conscious," as Capuchin's dictionary has it. Goth is often unintentionally funny but that's different. > Well, to me, the specific tipoffs are pretty obvious, and > I think just > about any informed music fan can sense if an artist's > sound reflects the > influence of this genre (whether strongly or faintly). To me, the specific tipoffs are also pretty obvious, and *I* thought just about any informed music fan could sense if an artist's sound reflects the influence of this genre (whether strongly or faintly). But plainly we were both in the wrong to think this was ever such an open-and-shut case. As scary as this might be, even the opinions of "informed music fans" can be variable. > Thus, it's not worth > it to me to hammer out a long treatise on the subject. On this we certainly agree. > Unlike you, my > image/lifestyle/girlfriend, etc. is not being threatened > by this thread, so > my emotional interest in the topic is considerably less > intense. I have a single goth image and you've seen it. I don't live a goth "lifestyle," and I was teasing about my girlfriend. You can now sleep at night knowing that you were not responsible for any authentic domestic strife. > >So I'd agree with you that Rasputina are goth > > Sheesh, then why does this thread persist? You only introduced 37 more points of debate and then requested 37 more. > >That's assuming that I would accept your dimensions as > >definitive. I wouldn't; there's nothing at all in there > >about lyrical content, emotional content, or musical > >content (and non-goth genre affiliation). > > "Attitude" includes lyrical/emotional content. Obviously. "Attitude" refers to tone, not content. Obviously. > >> I listened to five VWC soundclips on the CDNow site, > one > >> of them a cover of > >> a standard Goth reference point, Kurt Weill. > > > >And what a macabre cover it is! > > All right, then score one point for the "VMC does have > goth appeal" side. Score one point for the "irony is impossible on the Internet" side. "The Coldest Night of the Year" is about as macabre as a cover by Alvin and the Chipmunks. Er, scratch that -- much less macabre. > >> Also, the band > >> clearly seems to have > >> the cold, dreamy, layered production which Goth > adherents > >> crave. > > > >Oh, is that what they crave? I thought it was > depressing > >music with melodramatic, humorless lyrics. And all this > >time it was the *production* they were after! > > A cheap, careless retort. There are different variables > to the genre, which > I have already mentioned. My point was that the production is at best secondary. Citing it as evidence of the Virgin-Whore Complex's underlying goth tendencies -- after previously claiming that virtually every prominent post-punk band of the early eighties also used "goth production" -- seemed a really flimsy claim that deserved no better retort. I'll be happy to continue this with you or Capuchin offlist, but I think we've now wasted enough bandwidth, don't you? I'm done. Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:43:33 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Goth Talk >> "Attitude" includes lyrical/emotional content. Obviously. > >"Attitude" refers to tone, not content. Obviously. Bull. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:04:18 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Goth Talk At 02:06 PM 09/28/1999 -0800, Eb wrote: >I'd also like to make a general announcement that my current pet peeves are >people who use the phrase "...in spades" and people who sign email/letters >with "Best," as the closing salutation. Thanks for listening. Damn, that Eb has attitude in spades! Best, Miles ====================================================== Miles Goosens UNlimited edition R. Stevie Moore CDs now available! http://www.rsteviemoore.com My personal website http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles "If a million people say a stupid thing, it is still a stupid thing." -- Anatole France ====================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:38:23 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Happy Goth Day! Hi, Just a test to see who's been paying attention. First one to get them ALL right gets a big fat sloppy kiss! ***Please match the thing/person(s) in the first column that goes best with each item from the second column***: A) SCA ____Campy B) Bauhaus ____The business end of a PVC pipe C) Squarepusher ____F#/B D) The Great Quail ____Elephant 6 E) John Waters ____Eyeliner for those with crushes F) Bmaj9 ____Cokehead G) The Minders ____The business end of a bumblebee F) Revlon ____Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound G) George W. Bush 2 ____emo H) Eddie ____Drum'n'bass I) Capuchin ____Hurricane fetish/death-wish J) Eb ____The best computers and coffee and smack K) Seattle ____The robot from "Lost in Space" L) Superman ____Named after a monkey(?!?), eek eek! M) Al Gore ____Live action Dungeons & Dragons for Tolkien geeks N) Al Dexter ____Goth O) Sarge ____LOVES THE MONKEES!!! P) Dick Nixon ____Trapper John, MD Q) Tom Clark ____Too much fucking time on his hands R) Claudine Longet ____Pseudo-intellectual religious hack S) John Lennon ____Sings "Girl" T) Emmett Chapman ____Sings "Girl" U) Terrence Marks ____1974 V) Dan Rather ____Compares well to Robyn Hitchcock W) C.S. Lewis ____Stalking Robyn Hitchcock AND Dan Bern X) Loudon Wainwright III ____Looks better in a leather skirt and purple hair than I do Y) Paul McCartney ____Invented the Stick and played with Tim Buckley Z) Jason R. Thornton ____My distant cousin! Best, in spades! ;P - --Jason "there is absolutely NO intentional malice in this post, except that directed at Bush and Lewis" Thornton "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #368 *******************************