From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #365 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, September 27 1999 Volume 08 : Number 365 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Weenieism red alert ["Chris!" ] doublegoddamnit [Eb ] very informative Crohn's link [Eb ] stuff [Natalie Jacobs ] [none] [Livia Drusilla ] Re: [Eb ] well, 66th percentile may be a little high... [Eb ] Hitchcock's grandpappy? ["Russ Reynolds" ] Insanely Jealous was Brilliant! ["Saul Hewish" ] divers alarums [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] road trip, anyone? ["Capitalism Blows" ] Nick Drake tribute ["Sedgwick, Gary" ] Ronnie Scott's ["Tony Blackman" ] Re: Ronnie Scott's [Michael R Godwin ] blush with eyeliner ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Lysander [Glen Uber ] Re: Lysander [Eric Loehr ] Re: Lysander [GSS ] Re: road trip, anyone? ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: Lysander [Glen Uber ] Re: Lysander ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: Lysander ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: road trip, anyone? [Tom Clark ] from randi - rasputina, emily, & robyn ["*twofangs .. aka .. randi*" ] Re: blush with eyeliner [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:12:19 -0700 From: "Chris!" Subject: Re: Weenieism red alert Eb wrote: > > Holy mackerel. I just spent $100 on Brian Wilson in one afternoon. First, I > spontaneously sped to a Ticketmaster outlet to buy a ticket for his newly > announced Anaheim show on October 24th. It's a goddamn DINNER THEATER, > apparently -- I gotta buy dinner, too. Sheeeesh. NOT happy with that > arrangement. To add insult to injury, Portland types get two shows and have no dinner to buy. Still no reason to move back tho'. .chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:33:54 -0800 From: Eb Subject: doublegoddamnit Now I'm looking at the venue's seating chart, on the web (http://www.sun-theatre.com). It lists five "tiers" of seats, and tiers #4 and #5 are "general admission." Damn it! That's what I want! I *begged* the Ticketmaster guy to find me a non-dinner-required seat, and he fumbled through about six different options and still couldn't find anything which didn't say "dinner required." Grrrr. That's what I get for buying tickets to a venue which I've never been to before.... I wonder how much cheaper the general admission seats are? Eb, wondering if he can still buy a general admission ticket at the Sun box office, and sell his "dinner" seat online somewhere ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 18:20:32 -0800 From: Eb Subject: very informative Crohn's link http://members.aol.com/bospol/homepage/crohns.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:57:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: stuff I just got off the phone with Randi. Nothing new to report, unfortunately - - things seem like they're still pretty much up in the air medically for her. I wish I could pass on better news. Anyway... my sometime radio sidekick and all-the-time Nick Drake fanatic Andy is on the Drake mailing list, poor soul, and forwarded a long description of the recent tribute show that Robyn performed at. The Robyn-relevant bit is as follows: > Robyn Hitchcock: Pink Moon and River Man (Pink Moon goes electric, I > thought it excruciating aborted by Sumatriptan> Martyn loved it. River Man was excellent and > showed off Hitchcock's genius for originality) So there you go. n. np: the Magnetic Fields, "Fear of Trains" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:17:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Livia Drusilla Subject: [none] >of *course* there will be >many barely-goth-if-even-at-all names on my >"eyeliner list." i wouldn't want to be on any eyeliner list that would have me, and i'm not even goth! robyn sure looks like he's wearing a bit of shadow or something on one of those early albums, and he's about as un-goth as they come... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:09:17 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: >robyn sure looks like he's wearing a bit of shadow or >something on one of those early albums, and he's about >as un-goth as they come... Whatever makes you say that? I'd place Robyn in about, oh, the 66% percentile of Gothdom.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:35:01 -0800 From: Eb Subject: well, 66th percentile may be a little high... ..but saying Robyn's as "ungoth as they come" is indefensible. Eb (54th?) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:37:35 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Hitchcock's grandpappy? I just came across this on eBay: >Wait till you see this!For those of you who are sheet music collectors, or >theatrical colledctors, or have a reference library of old musical comedy, >here is the complete score for A Yankee Tourist 1907. Title page reads, >Henry W. Savage offers Raymond Hitchcock in the new musical comedy, A >Yankee Tourist. Book by Richard Harding Davis, Lyrics by Wallace Irwin, >Music by Alfred Robyn. There is a picture on the front of a man who I >assume is Raymond Hitchcock. Published by M.Witmark and Sons. 160 pages >with all 16 songs in the show.Written for Piano. Binding tight. Cover page >beginning to come unglued from bindng. I don't repair, but it looks as if >it just needs to be glued back. Some foxing on cover page, one crease, and >one small nick. Interior clean and bright. Buyer pays shipping at book >rate. Please feel free to email me with questions. Raymond Hitchcock sings music by Robyn! There's a picture too. Clearly a family resemblance. ;) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=169598637 - -rUss (And jeez, I just noticed Mr. Robyn's first name!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 01:01:38 +0100 From: "Saul Hewish" Subject: Insanely Jealous was Brilliant! Ronnie Scott's, Birmingham, Sunday 26 September An excellent gig - best I've seen in a good while, in part because it was essentially a Soft Boys reunion - Robyn and Kimberley rocking out.... Ronnie Scott's is a strange venue - I booked early and got a table under Robyn's mic. However all the tables were set out in rows and it felt like being at school! Support was provided very ably by Terry Edwards and the Scapegoats - an interesting set which as my friend commented sounded like John Zorn meets Can! Robyn joined the boys on the last track to do a bit of guitar meddling. Set list for Robyn: Mexican God I Something You Chinese Bones 1974 My Wife and My Dead Wife I Saw Nick Drake Beautiful Girl (With Kimberley) Madonna of the Wasps Cheese Alarm Birds in Perspex Devil Mask Sally Was a Legend Queen of Eyes Insanely Jealous (worth the ticket price alone!) (Encore - Solo) I Feel Beautiful (With Kimberley) Kingdom of Love (With Terry Edwards and his drummer) Beautiful Queen Face of Death All in all a top eveing. Looking forward to Manchester. Saul - ----- End forwarded message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:41:45 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: divers alarums >>another productive time: i hum to myself in the shower, free associating. >>a lot of times i think dream ideas percolate up from the subconscious and >>get fixed in the waking world. sometimes it just turns out to be a >>misheard snippet of something else, though, although as james points out, >>that's not entirely without its uses.<< "and I thought I heard them singing/"I gotta let this hen out"" :) >>4. Are the Beatles really Klaatu?<< no, Klaatu were the Rutles. >>Some folks like to compare Badfinger with the Beatles<< I do too! I often say "Badfinger weren't anywhere near as good as the Beatles" - a direct comparison! And it's fun to compare - try it. Let's start by comparing Claudine Longet with Robyn Hitchcock. Can you say Longet? I knew you could :) >>>>1. What the hell is Paul doing with that breath-thing on "Girl?" What >>>>is that? Is that an English thing? Jesus. <<<< >>John sings "Girl". He never liked that song (see his Playboy Interviews >>in 1980). It's one of the reasons he wrote "Woman" for DF. Who knows why >>he chose that breathy approach on "Girl"? I like the "tit tit tit tit" bg >>vocals. They were always getting away with stuff like that. << twas indeed John. The 'breathy thing', written in the lyrics as "ooottthhssss" (which Quail will, of course, recognise as Joyce's description of the waves breaking at Sandymount) is probably best described as a 'sharp intake of breath' when John thinks about the evil wench he is singing about. As to the 'tit tit tit' part, I regard this song as the best greek folk song the Beatles ever wrote! James ('fish and finger pies' indeed!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 23:24:48 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: road trip, anyone? here is my proposed itinerary: 10/21, palms playhouse, davis (dan) 10/23, cactus cafe, austin (robyn) 10/24, cactus cafe, austin (robyn) 10/26, art center, carroboro (robyn) 10/27, fletchers, baltimore (robyn) 10/29, theater of living arts, philadelphia (robyn) 10/30, paradise, boston (robyn) 11/01, the iron horse, northampton (dan) 11/02, the pub, ewing (dan) OR maxwell's, hoboken (robyn) [or *both*?] 11/03, ramapo college, mahwah (dan) 11/04, iota cafe, arlington (dan) 11/05, the trocadero, philadelphia (dan) OR rosebud, pittsburgh (robyn) 11/06, the bowery ballroom, new york (dan) 11/07, club passim, cambridge (dan) 11/09, top cats, cincinnati (robyn) 11/10, metro, chicago (robyn) 11/11, first avenue, minneapolis (robyn) 11/14, tractor tavern, seattle (dan) 11/16, the swiss, tacoma (dan) OR crocodile cafe, seattle (robyn) 11/17, aladdin theater, portland (robyn) 11/19, great american music hall, san francisco (robyn) 11/20, troubadour, los angeles (robyn) [+largo hijinks?] this is still pending official confirmation of these robyn tour dates. but, shit, dan with a band, robyn with a band, AND homer opening up for robyn! probably a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, i should think. if anyone's interested in joining me for some or all of the way, let me know. also, for people that are familiar with those venues in your hometown, are there any on this list that i should worry an awful lot about securing tix to beforehand? and hey, harry, is there any way of moving that swiss show up to the 15th???? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:13:25 +0100 From: "Sedgwick, Gary" Subject: Nick Drake tribute NB If you live in the south-east of England, *please* read the last bit of this e-mail about the BBC south-east review! Well, the Nick Drake tribute on Saturday was a bit of an odd affair. Robyn was on second, and performed two songs - Pink Moon and River Man. Unfortunately, he managed to murder both of them. I don't know if it was the venue, or the nature of the concert, but he looked very uneasy from the start. He started with Pink Moon, played on the distorted Telecaster, which just ended up sounding like a wash of distortion with Robyn's vocal over the top. That could have passed as the 'wacky' cover, but River Man was even worse. He turned off the distortion and added delay to the guitar, but the problem was that he just couldn't keep the 5/4 time going - which might not have been such a problem were it not for a saxophonist playing along with him and reading her part from a score. Of course, the two got *horribly* out of sync. Such a shame... and the other performances ranged from reasonable to very good. When Robyn came back on at the end of the concert for the final bow, he stood behind the other performers until one of them grabbed him and pulled him into the line. I haven't got the programme in with me today to list the other performers; the stand-out performance of the night was from Bernard Butler, who performed Fly and Northern Sky (maybe my two favourite Nick Drake songs anyway). Nigel Kennedy didn't perform in the end, but the final performance was from Beverly Martyn (who wasn't that great actually). The house band were excellent and backed up most of the acts. It seemed that there were two types of performers at the concert - - those who were very comfortable with the songs and could really bring out the feeling in them, and those simply covering them. Perhaps that is the nature of Nick's music - it has such a definite feeling in the chords, the melody, the song structure, that if you drift from that you lose that feeling. All in all, the concert was pretty patchy - some very good moments, some pretty poor - and the atmosphere was appropriately tense for a Nick Drake tribute (the audience didn't reply to any "hello"s from the performers!). Joe Boyd was also there introducing acts. I was so glad that he made a point of telling the audience about the plight of GLR. If you're aware of this, and you live in the south-east of England, please, PLEASE send an e-mail to sereview@bbc.co.uk letting them know how disasterous the effects of the changes will be. GLR is the last truly great music station in London - the current plans are to turn it into a talk based station. If you're in the south-east of England but haven't heard the plans, I urge you to visit the BBC website and look at the south-east review details. It will also affect stations throughout the south-east. I might be making it to either the Cambridge gig tonight or the Oxford gig tomorrow night - I'm annoyed I couldn't make the London gig last week (I'm still waiting to complete purchase of my new house which should be in a few days!) - how was it? Gary ____________________________________________________ Gary Sedgwick MKIRisk Midas-Kapiti International 1 St. George's Road Tel: +44 (208) 879 1188 Wimbledon Fax: +44 (208) 944 7963 London Direct: +44 (208) 486 1662 SW19 4DR Email: sedgwicg@midas-kapiti.com UK ____________________________________________________ (The views and opinions expressed in this email message are the sender's own, and do not necessarily represent the view and opinions of Midas-Kapiti International Ltd. This message and/or any attached documents may contain Privileged and Confidential Information and should only be read by those persons to whom this message is addressed.) .:. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:16:05 +0000 From: "Tony Blackman" Subject: Ronnie Scott's Ronnie Scott's, Birmingham Sunday, 26th September 1999 1) Mexican God 2) I Something You 3) Chinese Bones 4) 1974 5) I Saw Nick Drake 6) My Wife and My Dead Wife 7) Beautiful Girl (enter Kimberly Rew) 8) Lost Madonna of the Wasps 9) Cheese Alarm 10) Birds in Perspex 11) Devil Mask 12) Sally Was a Legend 13) Queen of Eyes 14) Insanely Jealous (encore) 15) She Doesn't Exist (enter Kimberly Rew) 16) Kingdom of Love (enter Ian White and Terry Edwards from The Scapegoats) 17) Beautiful Queen 18) Face of Death Same clothes as before........ I'mtempted to take him a clean shirt on Tuesday in Oxford. Toby, perhaps you could take him one in Cambridge. It's struck me at the last couple of gigs when just Robyn and Kimberly are playing together that they remind me of Steptoe and Son. It might have something to do with the height difference between the two, Kimberly's grey hair and his facial contortions when he's playing that make him look like he's not got his false teeth in. Then again, I still think that Robyn's looking more and more like Peter Cook every year too. It was mentioned that "I Saw Nick Drake" will be released next year in an "impossibly obscure and hard to find way" album, so I guess it won't be on sale at any of the gigs this year..... Tony. P.S. Winchester set list (from Friday) will follow tomorrow, I left it at home this morning. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:49:08 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Ronnie Scott's Tony See you tomorrow at the Zodiac Club, Oxford. Anyone else coming to this show? - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 07:34:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: blush with eyeliner > From: Tom Clark > I actually wore eyeliner out to clubs when I was about > 19. Looked damn > good, too. Ah, but did you look as good as...THIS? http://home.rochester.rr.com/wyrd/pix/gothcolor.jpg (I was 18.) > From: Eb > >I would classify a handful of those as "goth" (This > Mortal Coil, Galas, > >*maybe* > >Love & Rockets, Cocteaus, the Birthday Party, and Cave > and co.) and only a > >few of them > >as unambiguously so (Tones on Tail, the Cranes, and > *maybe* Nine Inch Nails). > > Well, duh! I despise goth as a general rule, so of > *course* there will be > many barely-goth-if-even-at-all names on my "eyeliner > list." But...Barry Adamson makes you want to wear eyeliner? I think you need to cut out the middleman. Who needs an excuse? :) > But I think > the intangible atmosphere is kinda there, both in those > artists' > music/image and in their fanbases. Eh...I guess so. If by "intangible atmosphere" you mean "sorta dark," yeah. > And you know, I really wouldn't classify This Mortal Coil > and the Cocteaus > among the most "goth" on that list, myself... "Goth," like "emo" and "punk," often seems to mean whatever Da Kidz want it to mean. This Mortal Coil and the Cocteaus are prototypical darkwave acts. And _Garlands_ is a pretty goth album, even if the Cocteaus did skitter off into goo-goo shoegazerland soon afterward. > I mean, > gawd, who could be > more gothic than Nico? Rozz Williams. But yeah, I guess she'd qualify. > >I'm not familiar with some of them > > Like who? I don't think any of those names are too > obscure, They're not, but my pop music literacy is scattershot. Remember, I'm only just now listening to Lennon: Legend (and it's a trip!). > except maybe > Swallow, Spoonfed Hybrid, Rosa Mota, He Said and A.C. > Marias...are those > the unknown names? They're on the list. I know the names of most of the others but haven't heard all of them (e.g., Throbbing Gristle). > >Nevertheless, I'm really not a huge goth fan, so I might > have trouble listing > >37 goth acts I actually like. > > Bad reading comprehension. It takes two, dear. "Let me rephrase the question" is more polite. > "Now, perhaps you can list 37 > which make you > want to *remove* [eyeliner]? ;)" In other words, name 37 > bands you like are > unambiguously NOT goth. That's easy enough, provided we agree on what "unambiguously NOT goth" means, which is debatable. The Smiths, Suede, Echobelly, Kate Bush, Tori Amos, XTC, Robyn Hitchcock, Babybird, Rufus Wainwright, Loreena McKennitt, the Virgin-Whore Complex, Janet Jackson, Madonna, the Beatles, the Beach Boys, Bis, Catatonia, the Bangles, REM, Lisa Germano, Laurie Anderson, Kristin Hersh, David Bowie, Cyndi Lauper, Belle & Sebastian, Aimee Mann, the Pretenders, Combustible Edison, Radiohead, Belly, Julian Cope, the High Llamas, the Sugarcubes, Pet Shop Boys, O{-+-> (though I liked Prince better), Talking Heads, and They Might Be Giants. I'm not so into Gene or Ani DiFranco anymore, and Ladybug Transistor and Momus are relatively new to my pantheon. I'll throw in the Pixies, Pulp, Belly, and the Primitives for extra credit. > (I figure you can, but it's still fun to put you on the > spot. ;)) Oh, you just want more music to argue about. Which is just fine by me. :) Drew ===== Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 99 09:32:20 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: Lysander Hey all, In the guitar tab page on fegmania.org, I noticed the following in the tab for "Lysander": 1)the chord at the end marked "X" is a B chord sung in 3 part harmony over a F# chord played on the instruments. Anyone like to name this chord? Well, if I haven't forgotten any of my music theory, it would be either an F#13 or an F#6sus4. Cheers! - -g- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg "Such a long, long time to be gone and a short time to get there." - --Robert Hunter "The line between us is so thin, I might as well be you everywhere I've ever been, I know you're going, too." - --Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:46:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Loehr Subject: Re: Lysander On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, Glen Uber wrote: > Hey all, > > In the guitar tab page on fegmania.org, I noticed the following > in the tab for "Lysander": > > 1)the chord at the end marked "X" is a B chord sung in 3 part harmony > over a F# chord played on the instruments. Anyone like to name this chord? > Sure -- I'll name it "Bruce", just to avoid confusion. ;-} Eric ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:31:13 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: Lysander > Hey all, > > In the guitar tab page on fegmania.org, I noticed the following > in the tab for "Lysander": > > 1)the chord at the end marked "X" is a B chord sung in 3 part harmony > over a F# chord played on the instruments. Anyone like to name this chord? How about B7sus2 Has anyone except me been pondering the similarities between TGQ and David Koresh. Not just physically. ;] This may be a previously strung topic, I just don't remember. GSS np cowboy romance - nm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:37:16 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: road trip, anyone? Eddie (and the rest), I just checked the online Ticketbastard site, and tickets for a couple of Robyn shows are on sale at this very moment... >11/02 ... maxwell's, hoboken (robyn) ... and >11/11, first avenue, minneapolis (robyn) Since the Man seems to be skipping the Town of the Surfer Ghost, I'll be heading up to LA for the following gig (and possibly again for anything that happens at Largo, where I've still yet to go): >11/20, troubadour, los angeles (robyn) [+largo hijinks?] I'll be wearing one of my Bauhaus t-shirts, lots of purple mascara, a leather skirt, knee high Doc Marten's, a very thick belt covered in metal studs, and thigh-high pink and white stripped socks (with a couple of holes in them), so keep an eye for me in the audience. I also look WAY too much like actor David Morse for comfort. Love, ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 99 11:02:43 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: Lysander GSS hat geschrieben: >How about B7sus2 > If the bass note is a B rather than an F#, then it is indeed a BMaj7sus2, or BMaj9, right? F# - A# - B - C# - D# - F# (1 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 1) B - C# - D# - F# - A# - B (1 - 2 (or 9) - 3 - 5 - Maj7 - 1) >Has anyone except me been pondering the similarities between TGQ and >David Koresh. Not just physically. ;] > Hmmm...I haven't heard him say anything about the 7 seals. Cheers! - -g- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~uberg "Such a long, long time to be gone and a short time to get there." - --Robert Hunter "The line between us is so thin, I might as well be you everywhere I've ever been, I know you're going, too." - --Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 11:24:25 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Lysander >> 1)the chord at the end marked "X" is a B chord sung in 3 part harmony >> over a F# chord played on the instruments. Anyone like to name this chord? > >How about B7sus2 Without listening to the song, I got Bmaj9 (aka Bmaj7(9) or Bmaj7sus2). The A# from the F# chord gives you a major seventh in relation to the root of B, so it would not be a B dominant 7th chord. A F#minor chord over B would give you the B9 (or B7sus2) of which you were thinking. >Well, if I haven't forgotten any of my music theory, it would be either >an F#13 or an F#6sus4. With the absence of a 7th, I'd lean toward the latter. >Has anyone except me been pondering the similarities between TGQ and >David Koresh. Not just physically. ;] I am now. Thanks fer nuthin'. ;) - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:03:11 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Lysander >>Well, if I haven't forgotten any of my music theory, it would be either >>an F#13 or an F#6sus4. > >With the absence of a 7th, I'd lean toward the latter. No wait, since the 4th (11th) doesn't replace the 3rd, I'd call it F#6/11 or something like that... - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:24:41 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: road trip, anyone? On 9/27/99 10:37 AM, Jason R. Thornton wrote: >I'll be wearing one of my Bauhaus t-shirts, lots of purple mascara, a >leather skirt, knee high Doc Marten's, a very thick belt covered in metal >studs, and thigh-high pink and white stripped socks (with a couple of >holes in them), so keep an eye for me in the audience. Copycat! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:47:55 -0400 From: "*twofangs .. aka .. randi*" Subject: from randi - rasputina, emily, & robyn ... seems Drew {hope that's the okay shortening your name} and Eb have differing opinions on Rasputina ... "... Rasputina, whose songs are often irritatingly catchy to my ears ..." "... defuse the whole precious Victorian/cello/pretty/dainty/gothchick contrived image ..." "... she was opening for M. Manson ..." ... just some statements I picked out of a feg-digest #363 - it's hard for me to get the digests usually ... anyhow ...these are the words I think best illustrate what I'm going to try to say. Okay. I produced a Rasputina video. I'm not going to go into the music side of it - for whether I like their music or not is of little importance in the grand scheme of things. The image however: These girls are sweet. They are not pretentious ... they certainly never acted that way with me or my crew ... It was horrible having to do wardrobe - because: the video director ... {i've worked with her on sarah mclachlan, marilyn manson, and this Rasputina video} ... is kinda creative with *_ her own appearance_*. We probably got hired to do a video because of Marilyn Manson ... who is also a very nice man. Anyway, there may be forces outside of the Rasputina musicians themselves that created and forged their image. They were perfectly happy when I gave them their wardrobe ... took the first outfit / sheet thing I offered each of them. Then the director didn't like it ... so wardrobe changes ensued. Pain in the butt. Then the management didn't like it ... back to wardrobe. Bigger pain in the butt. Then the record company weasels didn't like it ... back to wardrobe. ggggrrrrhhhh aaaarrrrgggghhhh What did Rasputina wear in the video? The first outfits I gave them. Was one of the girls in the band in tears because of how everyone wanted to make them fit into some category / marketing plan - instead of just going with the music and making a video - {I would say commercial} - for the single? Yes. I know the song I did the video for, I know Rasputina had a song in an episode of "buffy the vampire slayer", and I know they played utterly beautiful melodies to the crew as a thank you. Maybe they've bought into the hype now - and knowing the people who 'represent' Rasputina, I wouldn't be surprised. But these women are trying to make music using instruments other than guitar, bass, drums etc. They didn't dye their hair black to make their demo tape. My mom once taught me one very valuable lesson - the only one in fact - though she doesn't stick to it herself: We can't ever know the reasons behind the behaviour of others. ... My cousin-in-law was recently diagnosed with M.S. - he's 36. For years everyone in the family joked that he was always so tired, complained about pain in his muscles, had mood swings ... Well - guess what. He's had M.S. for 10 years, and the docs only figured it out earlier in the summer. So who looks dumb? Him? Our family? It's the oldest adage in the book - ;-} "Don't judge a book by it's cover" * * * * * * * * * * * * * Someone just gave me a David Bowie tape that has "See Emily Play" on it. I liked it a lot - not the choruses however. Comments, thoughts, expressions of true personal feelings ;-} * * * * * * * * * * * * * fading back into yesterday, Randi *what scares you most will set you free oh dear Robyn please do call me* ~~ R. Hitchcock & R. Spiegel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:53:06 -0400 From: "*twofangs .. aka .. randi*" Subject: ps form randi Eb said something about pointing out some Rasputina tunes which are pretty because of their *melodic structure*, not because of "Ooh...strings" The music they played for the crew were classical and some down and dirty rock & roll, none of Rasputina's own songs. They were taking requests. And it really did sound great ... fading back into yesterday before the flaming comes, Randi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:58:37 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: blush with eyeliner Drew: >Ah, but did you look as good as...THIS? >http://home.rochester.rr.com/wyrd/pix/gothcolor.jpg Arrrrgh. ;) >> But I think >> the intangible atmosphere is kinda there, both in those >> artists' music/image and in their fanbases. > >Eh...I guess so. If by "intangible atmosphere" you mean >"sorta dark," yeah. It goes deeper than that, Drew. Or shallower, depending on how you look at it. >And _Garlands_ is a pretty >goth album, even if the Cocteaus did skitter off into >goo-goo shoegazerland soon afterward. I'll give you that -- the Cocteaus started out in a much stronger goth vein. Though I sure can't figure out how you sniff at the Cocteau Twins, given all of the other pseudo-profoundo UK stuff you fall for.... >They're on the list. I know the names of most of the >others but haven't heard all of them (e.g., Throbbing Gristle). http://brainwashed.com/tg/ >The Smiths, Suede, Echobelly, Kate Bush, Tori Amos, >Robyn Hitchcock, Babybird, Loreena McKennitt, the Virgin-Whore Complex, >Lisa Germano, Laurie Anderson, Kristin >Hersh, David Bowie, Belle & Sebastian, >Radiohead, Belly, Julian Cope, Pulp If I was trying to convince someone that my tastes didn't have a goth slant, I sure wouldn't boast about any of these alleged "divergent" interests. Now admittedly, I haven't heard the Virgin-Whore Complex, but the band name is damning enough on its own. Then I gave the Web a quick look, and found *this* on my first try: "The band's sound is underscored by two distinct singers: Deb Fox, whose velvety alto melts words, and Spats Ransom, who wields a theatrical, gothic-styled tenor. The subject matter of these oblique jingles are always dark: 'Lullaby' is Fox's dream of evil aliens stranded on earth, while Ransom duets with the zodiac killer on 'Speakerphone.'" Nexxxxt.... >I'll throw in the Pixies, Belly, and >the Primitives for extra credit. Well, I'm certainly not going to award you extra credit for naming Belly twice. ;P General announcement: I saw an excellent film last night: "A Face in the Crowd," from 1957. Elia Kazan, Andy Griffith (film debut), Patricia Neal and Walter Matthau. Highly recommended. Eb ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #365 *******************************