From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #359 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, September 21 1999 Volume 08 : Number 359 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Mogwai (0.1% Claudine Longet content) ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: Effective Songwriting Technique & a couple of comments [Terrence M Ma] re: bleess [Stephen Buckalew ] Re: BIG Confession [Eb ] Re: Yellow Submarine [Eb ] Re: Yellow Submarine ["Jason R. Thornton" ] the ghost of Librafegmas future [Natalie Jacobs ] Re: Dingwalls ["Pamplemousse" ] Re: da Capo plagiarism note [Jeff Dwarf ] Beatlesnorts [Eric Loehr ] Re: bleess! [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Bono's Three Chords (call now and get a fourth free!) [Paul Christian] Re: Yellow Submarine [Jeff Dwarf ] talk about pandering to collector weenies...hrm [Eb Subject: Mogwai (0.1% Claudine Longet content) Has anyone seen Mogwai live? They're in town tonight. Are they worth catching? I've only heard a few snippets of their music, and it seems like they might be cool. - --Jason Vox "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:23:40 -0400 From: "**twofangs .... aka .... randi**" Subject: robyn & songwriting Hi, Randi asked me to re-send this - she wasn't sure if it was sent properly. And Chris Gross - you had her in tears - of laughter. Thanks Tim ========================================================== Hi, Sneaking a message @ 6:08am Toronto time - Sept 21. About songwriting: I'm assuming everyone knows that Robyn gets up every morning at 7 am to start writing songs. He comes up with song titles, and if they are are good - he keeps them - and tries to write lyrics. Hence, on *JFS* - NASA Clapping - was inspired by Michele. {sorry, no accents on this computer} ---- Health: Yuck - but calls from Miles, James, sharkboy, Vivien {you are so sweet!} and Rob {pamplemousse} made my day. Emails from viv, lj, scott h. mccleary, richard zeszotarski, eddie, nick, nat, karen r & carole r, chris gross {ha - very funny pic} and lsdiamond ;-} have been brought to me by Tim. Merci :-} I had so hoped to spend New Years 2000 with fegs ... at a Robyn gig. ;-} This is still a goal .... at the very least a wish :-} You are all great people - "...and if Buzz Aldrin ever takes me by the arm and says that one day I'll be rich," I'll think, "You mean I'll really get to meet some fegs in my lifetime!" Yeah!" ~ R. Hitchcock & R. Spiegel fading back into the nursing station, Randi :-} *what scares you most will set you free* ~~ Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:25:23 -0400 From: Stephen Buckalew Subject: re: mecha-streisand (two Very Important Questions) Most of these lyric/song topics have already been covered, but here is my two cents. Like others have said...carry a journal and record ideas when you think of theme or line. Someone made the comment that lyrics don't matter. I have to disagree with that. All parts of a song are important, and I tend to put melody/hooks at the top of the list, that's at least what I hear first....but what really will resonate with another person...communicate with another person...is a lyric painting a picture that they can relate to or that can push some emotional button, or put them into a certain space, or take them back to or remind them of a certain place or time in their lives. Without a good melody though, they may not ever notice the lyric, but with both, it makes a good song. (Mood or feel, Tempo, rhythm or "groove", and dynamics all are important to think about as well). I tend to get melodies very easily...lyrics are harder. So I have tons of melodies/hooks/riffs that I "store" in my mind (or my tape recorder, although I tend to remember these fairly easily) and wait for the lyrics to come along...often I find the right melody and mood that will fit a lyric I just wrote, or I come up with one on the spot. Lately...the process has been happening more simultaneously. I'll think of both around the same time. But usually the melody first. I tend to write lyrics away from my house...that seems to help. Away from distractions. I would say that the litmus test of whether lyric writing works is how your "audience" (whoever that may be) reacts to your lyrics. I always fret about whether my lyrics are "good enough" (I don't seem to fret about my music/playing/singing as much). But often after a show a person will come up and comment on how this or that lyric meant something to them. If you read alot, and can talk about what you are seeing and feeling and have a decent imagination, you should be able to write lyrics. As with anything...practice. Two years ago, I couldn't sing at all, and I'd been playing guitar and writing for many years, never tried to sing. Started to try to sing...when I hear those old tapes of me singing...I CRINGE. Ouch. But kept working at it and *Listening* to what I was doing right and wrong. I learned some boundaries to work within. And now, people comment on how nice my voice is and I can listen to tapes of me singing without cringing! S.B. **************************************************************************** "...everythings all on...it's rosy...it's a beautiful day!"--Syd Barrett **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:26:08 +0100 (BST) From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: Re: Dingwalls Tony> Anyone else going to any of the UK gigs? I'll be at Glasgow's. That's assuming that tickets are available, as the major agents aren't carrying them Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 12:39:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: bleess! I'm happy to see so many replies to my songwriting question, and as I said I really appreciate them. They remind me of a few more questions I wanted to ask, which I'll interleave below. > From: dmw > and that i was > going to mention, but not endorse, the quasi-plagiaristic > approach. I can't see myself taking this approach, not so much because I think it will darn me to heck for some of eternity, but because I have an unhealthy, unrealistic devotion to individuality and originality. (Everyone is *not* special; no one is unique.) But I did want to mention that not only is it used, but it's used by some of my musical idols. There are several (IIRC) references to consciously or unconsciously rewriting songs by one's influences (e.g., The Beatles, "Rain") in the XTC book that just came out whose title I am TOTALLY BLANKING on. If this proves or suggests anything, it's that you can do this and still come up with a fairly distinct-sounding song, if you take it far enough. > i > think the key is the *not working* part I wish. > For me the big plus > is being able to > have "Hey Bulldog" and "It's all Too Much" in the CD > changer I heard "Hey Bulldog" for the very first time a week or two ago, reviewing the new _YS_ for the station. I love it. But I've forgotten whether "It's All Too Much" is the last track on that album or not. Because I fucking hated the last track on that album. > From: Paul Christian Glenn [U2's _Rattle and Hum_] > I just don't get why everyone > doesn't like this > film. I assume you're directing this complaint only at those readers who are able to stay awake when U2 are "performing." ...oh, all right, I'm being bitchy again. I will say that at least U2 are better than the Manic Street Preachers. > From: Stephen Buckalew > > >They were playing Madonna's 'Beautiful Stranger' on the > radio yesterday, > >and I noticed that towards the end there is a straight > lift from Arthur > >Lee's 'She comes in colors'. > > I noticed that too....and wondered if it was a "nod" or a > rip-off... What's the difference? E.g., would you classify Shirley Manson's "talk of the town" vamping at the end of Garbage's "Special" a rip-off or a nod to Chrissie Hynde? n.p. Tori's latest (_To Venus and Back_). I suspect there are few Tori fans on the group (and I'll go out on a limb and count Eb among her natural enemies), but the new material is thus far very enjoyable. It's her lightest collection so far, and seems much more to be playing with sound and enjoying itself. This also makes it seem somewhat inconsequential, but I'm thinking of it as a B-sides collection and loving it. Now if only she would get back to writing decipherable lyrics. And, like, enunciating once in a while... === Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:46:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: Effective Songwriting Technique & a couple of comments In my experience, listening to country songs through really bad speakers is a good way to come up with cool, rhythmic phrases. But that's just me. (and I've got a sneaking feeling that Eb isn't the least surprised by this.) Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://grove.ufl.edu/~normal normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:04:03 -0400 From: Stephen Buckalew Subject: re: bleess Andrew wrote; >What's the difference? E.g., would you classify Shirley >Manson's "talk of the town" vamping at the end of Garbage's >"Special" a rip-off or a nod to Chrissie Hynde? Maybe there is no difference, just intention or affection I guess. Whether it was a "hmmm this is a sorta psychedelic-syle song....let's throw in a riff from a bona-fide psychedelic song...does anyone know what a good one would be?" or "I really dig Love, let's tip our hat to someone we like to listen to". Madonna doesn't always write her own material though...I imagine she probably knows that song. Or it could be totally by accident. Speaking of songwriting...I was riffing away last night when I realized that the new "masterpiece" I was composing was uncomfortably similar to the main riff in "Late in the Evening" by Paul Simon. Different melody on top and different chord progression ultimately, but close enough for (dis)comfort. S.B. **************************************************************************** "...everythings all on...it's rosy...it's a beautiful day!"--Syd Barrett **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:39:20 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: BIG Confession >I have a VERY hard time telling which Beatle sings what song, all the >way until Sgt. Pepper or so. Paul, John, and George -- dammit, I >can't tell them apart. "Girl" could have been sung by any one of them >as far as I can tell. ;) On the other hand, don't feel TOO bad -- folks on the Beatles newsgroup argue ENDLESSLY about a few specific who-sang-what moments, which have never seemed even the slightest bit uncertain to me. The first one: Who screams "I've got blisters on my fingers" in "Helter Skelter"? I have always had no doubt that it's Ringo, but the Beatlefolk recurrently rant back and forth about whether it's John or Ringo. In Ringo's recent VH1 special, he actually ANSWERED this question and said it was him. No surprise to me...and yet, certain Beatlepeople STILL aren't convinced. Sheesh. The second: Who sings "She Loves You" in the fadeout of "All You Need is Love"? Even when I was a widdle 12-year-old, I thought it was obviously John (especially after SEEING him sing it in the original broadcast!), but oh my, some Beatletwits still ferociously insist it's Paul. Amazing. There's a couple of other ongoing controversies like this, but I forget what they are right now. There's "What are those words which start off 'It's All Too Much'?", etc etc etc. Hardcore Beatlegeeks who can't find any '90s music they like spend most of their waking hours debating such trivia. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:43:58 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Yellow Submarine >Eb: >>In 25 minutes, VH1 will show the new video for the Beatles' "Hey Bulldog," >>including never-before-seen footage of John and Paul recording the song in >>the studio. > >Not like I won't get another chance to see something that was on VH1, but >was this the same as the video they showed on 20/20 Friday night which was >ruined by the most horribly written and unnecessary voice over I have ever >seen on network TV? The one that actually contains the often seen before >footage used for the "Lady Madonna" video? Yes, it was the same video which was shown on 20/20. Personally, I thought it was *fantastic*. None of the usual post-mortem filler (still photos, newsreel stuff, animation, etc.) -- just purely the Beatles playing in the studio, during a phase when very little performance footage is available! I guess I'm not aware of the "Lady Madonna" video you speak of (!!), but the band *is* clearly performing "Hey Bulldog." The best part is the ending, when you see John and Paul doing that improvised, chaotic barking/banter heard in the fadeout. Wow. My nipples exploded with delight. As for the album, I'm still heming and hawing whether I even want to hear it. I just don't like the idea of such radical remixing, and I'm reading Beatlefreaks on the Internet arguing back and forth over which songs are improved and which are damaged...I'd just rather not have such issues in my mind. Blah. (FYI: The one track which *everyone* says is greatly improved is "Only a Northern Song." And the song which people bitch about the most seems to be "Eleanor Rigby"...lots of talk about bad synchronization between vocals and music?) Oh, and you would LAUGH if you read all the newsgroup Beatlepeople screaming about the 20/20 voiceover. I didn't see the program so I can't comment, but the fanatics were practically organizing to storm the ABC building and demand 20/20 be taken off the air. Eb PS Segment of a review of a recent L.A. benefit concert, featuring Sarah McLachlan (and Paul McCartney too, for that matter?): Following a set that also included "I Will Remember You," "Adia" (which she reported Kenny Rogers has just recorded), and the rare track "Ice Cream," McLachlan was joined on vocals by Farrell and Leah Andreone -- who was also on an earlier bill that also included the bands the Flys and the Toldeo Show -- for an encore rendition of "I Shall Be Released," featuring Farrell doing his best Bob Dylan impression. - --- Farrell? DYLAN? Mooooooooooan. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:53:38 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Yellow Submarine At 01:43 PM 9/21/99 -0800, Eb wrote: >Wow. My nipples exploded with delight. At least now I know what to get you for your birthday. - --It's Only a Southern Californian Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:15:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: the ghost of Librafegmas future Jeme burbles, > Did you know you'll be here on my birthday? Exciting! I expect a gift. Of course, but only if I get a gift from you. (6 days left till my birthday, when I embark on that long road known as "the late twenties"...) - - gnat "when Nick Drake was my age, he was dead" the gnatster ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:40:04 +0100 From: "Pamplemousse" Subject: Re: Dingwalls I'll be at the Manchester Band on the Wall next week in my new role as post-grad student. With a bit of luck I might be able to record it on a minidisk. Then I'll need advice on how to put it onto a more useful format. - -- Rob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:50:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: da Capo plagiarism note Michael R Godwin wrote: > They were playing Madonna's 'Beautiful Stranger' on the radio > yesterday, and I noticed that towards the end there is a > straight lift from Arthur Lee's 'She comes in colors'. The > harpsichord and flute line which goes: > Diddle um dum do do do > Diddle iddle um dum do do do > Doooo (trill on flute) > appears almost intact; the harpsichord line is played by some > keyboard, but the flute part is stone identical. > Just thought you might like to know. this was in Entertainment Weekly or some simular magazine a few weeks ago. Madonna's press person said she's never heard of Love, which is possible, maybe even probable. my guess is someone she knows (Howie Klein? Seymour Stein?) played it around her at some point but she didn't know what it was, it stuck in her head, and came out in this song. unconscience plagiarism, if you will. or she's lying. === "America's greatest natural resource, still, to this day, is the moron" --Martin Mull __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:59:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Loehr Subject: Beatlesnorts On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Eb wrote: > On the other hand, don't feel TOO bad -- folks on the Beatles newsgroup > argue ENDLESSLY about a few specific who-sang-what moments, which have > never seemed even the slightest bit uncertain to me. > > The second: Who sings "She Loves You" in the fadeout of "All You Need is > Love"? Even when I was a widdle 12-year-old, I thought it was obviously > John (especially after SEEING him sing it in the original broadcast!), but > oh my, some Beatletwits still ferociously insist it's Paul. Amazing. > That's odd -- on the original broadcast I saw and the record it was Paul. ;-} Eric "the 999th Beatle" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:55:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: bleess! "Andrew D. Simchik" wrote: >> I noticed that too....and wondered if it was a "nod" or a >> rip-off... > What's the difference? E.g., would you classify Shirley > Manson's "talk of the town" vamping at the end of Garbage's > "Special" a rip-off or a nod to Chrissie Hynde? a nod is completely acknowledged in advance, i.e. shirley "talk of the town" (or for that matter 70% of all garbage songs); when you ask them about it they say, "yes we're interpolating/paying homage/alluding to [song x] quite deliberately." Ripping off is noel gallagher saying "what do you mean the piano on "Don't Look Back in Anger" sounds like "Imagine," and then hitting the journalist/whoever in the head with a beer bottle. and then there is the unintentional rip off, which is basically an unconscious nod not noticed until after the record came out (e.g. George Harrison's "My Sweet Lord," New Order's "Run"). === "America's greatest natural resource, still, to this day, is the moron" --Martin Mull __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:57:20 -0600 From: Paul Christian Glenn Subject: Re: Bono's Three Chords (call now and get a fourth free!) At 9/21/99 9:40:00 AM, you wrote: >>Am I the only one who thinks that R&H completely rocked? > >As someone who appreciates U2, and has even publicly admitted it, :) >I'd say "completely" is an exaggeration. It did rawk in parts, though. Okay, you're probably right. >Mainly when they stopped showing scenes of the Edge sliding down hills, >and focused on the performances. Yeah, but I kinda like all that inter-performance footage. It might bug me if it was extensive, but the clips are pretty short. The Edge clip you mention, for example, is about 15 seconds long. The only truly *long* part, for me, is at the very beginning when they spend about 15 minutes trying to explain what the movie is about. They say, "It's a musical journey" about 10 times, then they laugh, then they say "fuck it". Once we get past that brilliantly insightful intro, however, I think the film moves along at a pretty good clip. >I wouldn't call "Rattle & Hum" SELF-indulgent. Not in the way "Magical Mystery Tour" > is. Instead I'd probably say that it lacks universal appeal and caters only to fanboys. Sure, but presumably it's the "fanboys" who are writing the crummy reviews. >And, as such a work, there isn't really much artistic merit to it - much less merit than >the album itself has. Well, no, it's not real creative. But, as you (kinda) pointed out, the music's the thing. >Even if that killer version of "Exit" is missing from the LP. Actually, I've never bought the cd. I would if it had more of the stuff from the movie (I'm thinking primarily about "Sunday Bloody Sunday"), but it seems that they left a lot of the best bits off of it. Never understood that. >>I've also seen it >>called pretentious, but that's not U2's fault, it's the director's >>(though I don't see that accusation as having any real validity). > >I think most of the pretentious moments are Bono's fault. Well, Bono was much more, um..."earnest" in those days than he is now. Truth to tell, though, I liked the earnest Bono a helluva lot more than the new and improved self-parodying model. Pretty much anything post-"Achtung Baby" has been shit, and that's primarily because the songs have gone from careful and intense to superficial and sardonic. IMO, of course. >And, Bono's pretentiousness *is* part of his charm, in a funny sort of way. :) His goofy egotism is >almost endearing. It used to be, anyway. ;) >But, the one scene of Larry Mullen Jr. getting choked up about Elvis did smack of director pretention. >The director milked that melodramatically by leaving the camera on the silent Larry far too long. Agreed. The cheese factor there is high. >There are some genuinely amusing, down-to-earth parts of the flick - mainly when the band is joking around. The parts I really like are the "backstage" shots before and in the midst of performances. It's fun and funny to see the guys arranging songs on the fly. >My favorite line in "Rattle & Hum" is still "Edge...play the blues." Busts me up every time. And while the riff that Edge responds with is hardly bluesy, it's a blast. :) My favorite line is either "Rock and roll stops the traffic", or the eloquently simple "Fuck the revolution". >--Jason "in a fistfight between U2 and The Beatles, Adam Clayton would kick John's, Paul's, George's, >and Ringo's asses, and probably Bono's as well" The Thorntonster LOL! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:59:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Yellow Submarine Eb wrote: > PS Segment of a review of a recent L.A. benefit concert, > featuring Sarah McLachlan (and Paul McCartney too, for that > matter?): > > Following a set that also included "I Will Remember > You," "Adia" (which she reported Kenny Rogers has just > recorded), and the rare track "Ice Cream," McLachlan how bloody rare is any song on an artists second best selling record? > was joined on vocals by Farrell and Leah Andreone -- > who was also on an earlier bill that also included the > bands the Flys and the Toldeo Show -- for an encore > rendition of "I Shall Be Released," featuring Farrell > doing his best Bob Dylan impression. > --- > Farrell? DYLAN? Mooooooooooan. i never thought perry could sing that well? and hell, i like Jane's Addiction..... === "America's greatest natural resource, still, to this day, is the moron" --Martin Mull __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:06:23 -0800 From: Eb Subject: talk about pandering to collector weenies...hrm http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=785663151/pagename=/RP/ALLSTAR/article. html/fid=18472 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:12:08 -0800 From: Eb Subject: another story of possible interest (Byrds fans?) http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=785663151/pagename=/RP/ALLSTAR/article. html/fid=18440 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:16:50 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: talk about pandering to collector weenies...hrm >Subject: talk about pandering to collector weenies...hrm Actually, all the collector weenies have that stuff (XTC's AV1 demos) already. This is more like pandering to the people who felt left out when all the collector weenies wouldn't stop raving about how great all the as-yet-unreleased material was. Or perhaps just as likely, they're trying to cash in on the guilt felt by the collector weenies for having obtained the stuff so far in advance... Can't say I blame them, but that's just the sort of attitude you'd expect me to have, I suppose. JH3 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 06:27:02 -0400 From: "**twofangs .... aka .... randi**" Subject: from randi - robyn & songwriting technique Hi, Sneaking a message @ 6:08am Toronto time - Sept 21. About songwriting: I'm assuming everyone knows that Robyn gets up every morning at 7 am to start writing songs. He comes up with song titles, and if they are are good - he keeps them - and tries to write lyrics. Hence, on *JFS* - NASA Clapping - was inspired by Michele. {sorry, no accents on this computer} ---- Health: Yuck - but calls from Miles, James, sharkboy, Vivien {you are so sweet!} and Rob made my day. Emails from viv, lj, scott h. mccleary, richard zeszotarski, eddie, nick, nat, karen r & carole r, chris gross {ha - very funny pic} and lsdiamond ;-} have been brought to me by Tim. Merci :-} I had so hoped to spend New Years 2000 with fegs ... at a Robyn gig. ;-} This is still a goal .... at the very least a wish :-} You are all great people - "...and if Buzz Aldrin ever takes me by the arm and says that one day I'll be rich," I'll think, "You mean I'll really get to meet some fegs in my lifetime!" Yeah!" ~ R. Hitchcock & R. Spiegel fading back into the nursing station, Randi :-} *what scares you most will set you free* ~~ Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:06:29 +0100 From: Chris Gardiner Subject: ...from the epicentre of Guinness Dublin report and set list... Robyn appeared solo, no Tim on banana. The HQ is pretty clinical but very comfortable and an all seated gig, mainly around small tables so no problem where to put the Guinness. At a rough estimate it probably holds 400-500 people, sadly there were only approx. 70 to see Robyn. Acoustics good, a bit light on the bass end so the harmonics of the Guitar didn't come over so well. Set List Acoustic Gene Hackman Arms of Love Cheese Alarm (very manic) I something you (8.8mm Hail Mary pick) Glass Hotel I'm only You Queen Elvis Beautiful Girl Electric I am not me Autumn is your last chance I feel beautiful (dedicated to Michelle) You and oblivion Queen of Eyes (minus the bridge) Freeze Sally was a legend Kingdom of love Encores She doesn't exist (nice sing along from the enlightened members of the audience) Higsons Speed of things More than this Black open necked collar less shirt over green baggy trousers with a large Hibiscus flower print or possibly Anemone (my wife informs me), the kind that Marlene Deitrich might have lounged around in. Robyn in good humour and a very good gig despite the sparse audience. And the Guinness was excellent. Roll on Dingwalls and Winchester. - -- Chris Gardiner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:42:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Why can't Courtney Love hold onto her women? there's also a Billy Bragg and a Skinny Puppy article available as well...... http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=785663151/pagename=/RP/ALLSTAR/article.html/fid=18477 Hole’s Auf Der Maur Quits, Plans Solo Project Sep 21, 1999, 2:50 pm PT Courtney Love got the word about two weeks ago, but a source close to Hole bassist Melissa Auf Der Maur just confirmed Tuesday (Sept. 21) that the bassist has officially quit the band to pursue a solo career and work on other projects. [pins] As for the rumors that she's talking with the Smashing Pumpkins' Billy Corgan about replacing the recently-departed bassist D'Arcy Wretzky (allstar, Sept. 9), the source says that nothing is official, but if she did choose to work with the band, she wouldn't be a member. The offers are surely going to start rolling in, and there is already talk that she might work with her longtime friend Rufus Wainwright (they've been friends since junior high) on his next album, which he has recently begun work on. Again, nothing is set in stone at this point; and Auf Der Maur, who joined Hole in 1994, is apparantly in no rush to get a project out. As for her photography work, the source says that some interest was sparked from the self portraits she took for Alternative Press a little while back, and she would like to continue to work on her photography. A statement from Auf Der Maur is expected by week's end. - -- Carrie Borzillo === "America's greatest natural resource, still, to this day, is the moron" --Martin Mull __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #359 *******************************