From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #351 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, September 15 1999 Volume 08 : Number 351 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: mp3 Alert [Eb ] Re: I Thora Hird NASA Clapping [badger ] Sketch Book [James Dignan ] i'm dumb ["Shane Apple" ] Reason #5,678 to love the world-wide web [ultraconformist@ets.cncdsl.com] the moog ["Shane Apple" ] Useful information [steve ] A&R alert [David Librik ] Re: mp3 Alert [Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer ] insincere sincerity ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] crickets chirping all over the world [attn: college-radio types] [Eb Subject: Re: mp3 Alert Terrence: >"The Electric Eclectics of Dick Hyman", one of the earliest moog albums >around, was recently posted to alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.1960s >I'm really impressed by what I've been able to download thus far. >The whistling introduction to Beck's "Sissyneck" was lifted straight >from "The Moog and Me" (a killer tune in its own right.) >If any of you are into this sort of thing, I'd recommend getting it >(provided your newsfeed carries absm1960s. I think some of the free >newsfeeds have it but I don't know which.) Hipster dude that I am, I have the original LP. I paid a quarter for it, back before the lounge/cocktail/kitsch craze cleaned out the used-record bins. Eb PS I found this interesting: http://www.ram.org/ramblings/philosophy/fmp/albini.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:57:35 -0500 From: badger Subject: Re: I Thora Hird NASA Clapping Tony Blackman wrote: >I'd say the time was right for Julian Cope to assume the mantle left vacant >by Screaming Lord Sutch's death. I wouldn't mind seeing that, if you mean meddling with politics. It's a good role for a benevolent lunatic. >It's a shame as I was big fan of The >Teardrop Explodes and even some of his early solo stuff, but the last time >I bothered to see him live (circa '95) I had to leave as he was utter >shite. Why was he utter shite? I've never seen him live, but have a couple of bootlegs from '91 and '93, and they sound fine to me. Then again, i prefer Cope's later album to his early ones, to the point that I'm eager for his next one. Oh, well... Just a matter of difference of opinion in music, but still curious as to what turned you off so much. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:22:50 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Sketch Book meant to tell y'all last week and forgot... I know some of you are Chills fans. Martin Phillipps has just released a new CD: "Sketch Book". The CD contains the best songs from the 200 or so that Martin has written and recorded 'in sketch form' on 4-track while the Chills have been spinning their wheels. Wile, understandably, it's not his best album, there are some real gems on here, such as "February". Not sure yet of any overseas release dates, but there's probably more info on the Chills website . James PS - Mike, Terry and all you other Florid fegs, I hope you're somewhere sheltered! James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 03:17:15 GMT From: "Shane Apple" Subject: i'm dumb ok, so i read a momus interview, and momus mentioned how he's always been amused with people not "getting" morrissey or the smiths (i actually forget which but it may not matter) and not understanding the irony. not long after that, a feg calls the smiths "the greatest comedy band of all time" or something like that. now, i'm not the brightest music fan around, and i'm having trouble figuring out what i'm missing here. i'm american, so i'm not supposed to get irony, but i am aware that some of what beck and randy newman and ween and blur do is ironic. i'm kinda in the game here. but these references to morrissey have thrown me off completely. i haven't listened to a morrissey album since the one where he's making that face on the album cover (oh wait, that would be all of them) (hmmm...*your arsenal*?), but remembering what i can remember from all of the stuff i've listened to makes me feel completely ignorant that i'm not getting this grand joke. so what the hell is going on? can somebody explain this to me? does it have to do with life style mostly, or is it musical irony? by the way, i love *stars forever*. i'm considering it one of the best things i've heard all year. i'd agree that the music is not for everybody (read: grating), but i was thrown for a loop with the "cold" comment. somebody put this better earlier. i see everything else i've heard from momus to be really cold and maybe at times overly clever, so i'm amazed with how warm and direct this one is. i don't know much background about the information he was given to write the songs about the people (other than they were 100 words long) but it seems like a great deal of care and effort and maybe even compassion went into the song writing on this one. i don't see an album from 1999 that has been more human (with the possible exception of u.s. maple) (flaming lips would be in there too). - --shane (extraordinary one man band) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:44:01 -0600 From: ultraconformist@ets.cncdsl.com Subject: Reason #5,678 to love the world-wide web http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Boulevard/9565/indexMAIN.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 04:28:47 GMT From: "Shane Apple" Subject: the moog terry marks (while hiding from the evil hurricane) mentioned dick hyman, his electric eclectics, and the moog. while i like some of this album, i think it's weak compared to some of the other moog stuff i have. i like the moog by itself when used really humerously or really pretentiously, and with hyman (what a horrible name, by the way) it doesn't really go far enough into either for me. it's not artsy enough or goofy enough for my taste. "give it up or turn it loose" rocks though! and am i right in remembering that those smash mouth people also sampled something from this album (along with the beck sample terry made reference to)? anyway, if you like the moog, check out the following: perrey and kingsley's *the in sounds from way out* brilliant, fun stuff here. the moog cookbook *play classic rock hits* or some title like that. they also have an album of moog version of alternative hits. the cover of that offspring song is hilarious. lots of moog action and nothing else (except the occassional speak and spell) going on here. mystic moog orchestra's albums. they feature warren defever of his name is alive. this stuff isn't funny at all. it's actually a bit frightening in an avant garde kind of way. this "orchestra" features sixteen people playing moogs. the only rule of the group is that nobody is allowed to play a note. walter/wendy carlos is hit and miss (is there a horrible joke here?) when he/she is good, he/she is GREAT, but when he/she is not so great, he/she is kinda dull. any other moogy albums i'm missing here? so what's everybody's favorite use of a moog? - --shane ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:11:15 -0500 From: steve Subject: Useful information http://animation.filmtv.ucla.edu/students/awinfrey/coneintro.htm - - Steve _______________ We're all Jesus, Buddha, and the Wizard of Oz! - Andy Partridge ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:41:30 -0500 From: David Librik Subject: A&R alert Eb remarked: > PS I found this interesting: > http://www.ram.org/ramblings/philosophy/fmp/albini.html This is an article from an early issue of the Baffler about the economics of the record industry as they apply to new bands getting signed to major labels. It's interesting and enlightening: it finally made clear to me what had happened to so many of the bands I liked. There are probably people here who already know all this (hopefully not through painful experience), but for everyone else this article is recommended). Just hoping to pull this one out from the usual flood of here's-a-neat-URL posts. - - David Librik ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:38:42 +0100 (BST) From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: Re: mp3 Alert Terrence M Marks writes: > "The Electric Eclectics of Dick Hyman" ... > If any of you are into this sort of thing, I'd recommend getting it It's still a catalogue CD item; budget, by the looks of things. Probably be less hassle to buy it (http://cheap-cds.com/surf/disps/235696) thank to fret about downloading it. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:19:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Sketch Book On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, James Dignan wrote: > While, understandably, it's not his best album, there are some real > gems on here, such as "February". Not sure yet of any overseas release > dates, but there's probably more info on the Chills website > . note that if you're in the US and ordering from Flying Nun directly, the CD + air shipping from New Zealand is about the usual price of a CD at Tower Records. they calculate shipping by the piece, not by the order, so i'm waiting to see how much Sketch Book makes me miss Martin Phillipps before i buy the CD singles off Sunburnt... weighing the appeal of six more new (to me) tracks against the fact that i didn't like Sunburnt that much... and if you like Flying Nun music in general, read through the whole catalogue. most of it, including some wonderful records, is "midprice", i.e. $11 US ppd. the first Magick Heads record, the Bats' Fear Of God, the Terminals singles collection, the Verlaines early singles... do email them first, as some things go out of stock. i've been looking forward to a record with "Bad Dancer" on it since the amazing show he did here three years ago. hopefully in a few days i will not share James's lukewarm assessment. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:48:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: insincere sincerity > From: puppycakes > finally picked up ladybug transistor's _ablemarle sound_ > and i think it's > really swell. Me too! > anybody else think the male vocalist sounds like > stephen merritt? No, thank god. Merritt has written some cool (massively overrated) songs but I really hate it when he sings them. > From: Natalie Jacobs > [I exclaimed:] > >Man! What little I've heard of NMH sounds one hell of a > lot less sincere > >than Andy Partridge. > > Uh, I meant John "Sincerity cancels art" Partridge. Oh. Never mind! > And > them's fightin' > words... What is it about this band that drives people to violence? Drew === Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:26:14 -0800 From: Eb Subject: crickets chirping all over the world [attn: college-radio types] Musing aloud, in a vaguely A&R mindset.... So far, there are 29 indie-label releases of 1999 which I've added to my permanent collection. Of those, a formidable TWELVE of those "indie" artists were formerly on major labels: Adrian Belew, XTC, Poi Dog Pondering (um, assuming Tommy Boy is indie...is it?), Frank Black, Tom Waits, the Muffs, 10000 Maniacs, Kristin Hersh, the Go-Betweens (well, this is just a rarities compilation), They Might Be Giants, Super Furry Animals and the Velvet Crush. And I can add Pavement to this list, once I get a finished copy of the damn thing, and I'll shortly get the new Buzzcocks disc on lowly *Go-Kart*.... Does this illustrate 1) the abrupt commercial decline of so-called alternative music (and subsequent major-label roster purges), 2) my woeful inability to stay in touch with up-and-coming indie acts or 3) the sheer crappiness of the newest indie-rock generation? Or all three? Who are the other best artists in the never-been-on-a-major-label category, this year (whom I haven't publicly ehhhed already)? Seems like I MUST be overlooking someone.... Blah. Eb, still weirded out by all the second-album discoveries he made this year which he should've made the year before ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:54:18 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Sketch Book >i've been looking forward to a record with "Bad Dancer" on it since the >amazing show he did here three years ago. hopefully in a few days i will >not share James's lukewarm assessment. the lukewarm assessment is mainly because I haven't heard all of the album, and I don't want to hype it too much from that, especially as it is just 'odds and ends'. Still, what I've heard of it is much better than Sunburnt. James ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #351 *******************************