From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #346 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, September 11 1999 Volume 08 : Number 346 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Re: Simon Le Birch ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Re: Re: Simon Le Birch [Paul Christian Glenn ] Re: Re: Re: Simon Le Birch ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: Simon Le Birch [Joel Mullins ] September Cones ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] re: dreary [Eb ] Re: Simon Le Bitch [Vivien Lyon ] Fegs Who Have Seen Other Fegs Naked [Eb ] Re: raging queen bitch [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: ed wood-y and junior [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: birdshead ["Russ Reynolds" ] Re: raging queen bitch [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: Re: Re: Simon Le Birch [Terrence M Marks ] speaking of D'Arcy and Oasis...now here is MAJOR news! [Eb ] and here's another disturbing link ;) [Eb ] Re: Simon Le Birch [Joel Mullins ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:09:39 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Re: Simon Le Birch The Cowboy Junkies recorded there second album, The Trinity Sessions, in a church. Michael - -----Original Message----- From: Paul Christian Glenn [mailto:trance@radiks.net] Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 4:16 PM To: Fegmaniax! Subject: Re: Re: Simon Le Birch At 9/10/99 8:44:00 AM, you wrote: >>I should stress that there's a difference between Christian rock >>and music made by Christians, and Sixpence at least straddle that >>fence. Agreed. I don't think "Christian rock", as such, should even exist. The very term is insulting both Christianity *and* rock music. >The only positive thing I have to say about >them is that they definitely weren't preachy. Hell, just based on their >performance, I doubt I would've guessed their religious leanings at all. I >knew their slant ahead of time, and was actively paying attention for even >subtle hints, and I didn't really catch many. Ain't it strange, though, how nobody complains when, say, oh, Robyn Hitchcock delivers *his* views about religion in concert, or Marilyn Manson, or whoever else, but if the artist happens to be a Christian, we have to be on the "lookout" to make certain that they don't let slip what they believe. Not pickin' a fight or anything, 'cause I don't really care what the artist believes (well, not much, anyway), I just think it's odd. >Although, I wasn't sure whether or not the leader singer said that the last >time they were in San Diego they played *with* The Church... or *at* a >church... Well, hell, U2 played with/at a church. Lots and lots of rap and R&B arists play with and at churches. Who cares? >Their bandname, of course, is a quote of some C.S. Lewis gibberish, which >may automatically label them as "Christian rock" in some circles. Hey now, (says Paul as he self-consciously glances at his sigline), Lewis was the man! ;) Paul Christian Glenn | "Besides being complicated, trance@radiks.net | reality, in my experience, http://x-real.firinn.org | is usually odd." -C.S. Lewis Currently Reading: "The Tempest" by William Shakespeare ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:27:36 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Simon Le Birch At 03:17 PM 9/10/99 -0600, Paul Christian Glenn wrote: >>Who's "we"? There are those who rail against secular music in general, >>against anti-religious music and against religious music. Do you mean >>we fegs? We're not of one mind when it comes to religion in >>music. > >Of course, you're right. "We", as I used it, was basically a polite reference >to Jason. Oooooooooooooooooooooh. We are not amused. No, wait. Yes we are. :) Carry on. By the way, who was the "noboby" you were politely talking about when you said "nobody comlains" about Marilyn Manson? You, perhaps? ;) Bwa-ha-ha-ha. Kidding... - --The Legion that Be Jason - they shoot, they score! "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:32:50 -0600 From: Paul Christian Glenn Subject: Re: Re: Re: Simon Le Birch At 9/10/99 1:52:00 PM, you wrote: >What!??? Nobody complains about Marilyn Manson's views about religion? HA! Well, nobody who's remotely "hip", so to speak. >It's only odd >if you're the sort of person that goes to a concert and never pays >attention to the show. Hmm. I think you're misinterpreting what I consider to be odd. I don't think it's odd that people care about or notice an artist's beliefs. I think it's odd when people who don't seem to have a problem with artists who *do* "preach" (i.e., our own beloved Robyn) imply that there would be a problem if the preaching came from a Christian. I don't think it's odd that you pay attention to the beliefs of the band. >I dunno. It feels like you're accusing me of "complaining" and playing >victimization politics in some sort of attempt to portray me as a >anti-Christian thought-policeman, and, if so, that's way off the mark. I'm sorry if that's how I came across. Such was honestly not my intent. I simply caught something in your message that struck a chord, and I talked about it. I'll try to be more careful about how I structure my responses. > I never complained, and nor did I say Christians shouldn't speak their mind. No, you didn't say that, but you *did* say that it was a good thing that the band didn't "preach" to the audience. Just seems weird to me that you're interested in what an artist's stance is, but also consider it a good thing that they didn't share it with you. Geez, I guess I'm sounding accusatory again. Don't take it that way. I just don't get what you're saying. Sounds like you're talking in circles. >But, if they do, I've as much of a right to disagree with them as they do >to Jesus-spam. Absolutely. >I *only* brought up >the specific Christian factor because I disagreed with Drew's assertion >that they "straddled the fence." They didn't even SEEM like a "Christian >rock" band to me at all. Or at least they weren't trying to reinforce >their image as one in any perceivable way. Yep, and that's one of the things that I like about Sixpence. They've inverted the Stryper approach to Christians making music. >>Well, hell, U2 played with/at a church. Lots and lots of rap and R&B >arists play with and at churches. Who cares? > >Well, not to be a smartass, but someone who is interested in whether or not >a rock band is Christian, that's who... for whatever reason. Good point. >Be it a >Christian, an atheist, or just a curious "miscellaneous other." For >Chaka's sake, I like some of Moby's albums a good deal, and no, his >religious views don't bug me at all. But I still find it enlightening to >know about them. So would it be a positive or negative thing if he elaborated on those beliefs at his concert? Paul Christian Glenn | "Besides being complicated, trance@radiks.net | reality, in my experience, http://x-real.firinn.org | is usually odd." -C.S. Lewis Currently Reading: "The Tempest" by William Shakespeare ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:43:10 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Re: Re: Simon Le Birch >>What!??? Nobody complains about Marilyn Manson's views about religion? HA! > >Well, nobody who's remotely "hip", so to speak. A number of people have, even some "popular" artists. >... I think it's odd >when people who don't seem to have a problem with artists who *do* "preach" >(i.e., our own beloved Robyn) imply that there would be a problem if the >preaching came from a Christian. I don't think it's odd that you pay attention >to the beliefs of the band. And, I may form a positive or negative opinion about that band, based on said preaching. >> I never complained, and nor did I say Christians shouldn't speak their mind. > >No, you didn't say that, but you *did* say that it was a good thing that the >band didn't "preach" to the audience. Just seems weird to me that you're >interested in what an artist's stance is, but also consider it a good thing that >they didn't share it with you. Well...yeah. Or no. I consider it a good thing that they didn't share it with me by hitting me over the head with a sledgehammer. :) I would be interested in knowing whether or not an artist decides to share a stance with an audience, and in what that stance is. But, if I strongly disagree with that stance, I still reserve the right to be annoyed by the specifics. Or with how that stance is conveyed to me. That could really affect how I feel about them as artists. Like I said, I knew Sixpence's leanings ahead of time, and, to be honest, I didn't mind them not preaching at me. If Sixpence had preached, I probably would have had *nothing* to like about them, especially since I didn't like their music or the lead singer's butt. But, as I knew what I was getting into, I doubt I would have been offended all that much if they had decided to. >Geez, I guess I'm sounding accusatory again. Don't take it that way. I just >don't get what you're saying. Sounds like you're talking in circles. No. I'm probably just not being clear about the distinction between my interest in the beliefs of an artist and my reaction or opinion toward those beliefs. Plus, I should note that by saying "preaching," I didn't mean merely "to express an opinion," but to deliver a sermon about something in a specifically condemning or heavy-handed manner. Albeit, that is probably not how you read the word "preach." The manner in which an opinion is conveyed can have a lot of affect on how I receive it. Even an artist I agree with on an issue can seem "preachy" to me, and can annoy me at times. Even *if* I support the cause. On a side note, I wouldn't describe Robyn Hitchcock as "preachy." Opinionated perhaps. But, as so many of those opinions are expressed in SUCH an amusing way, what's to get annoyed about? :) I can understand how Marilyn Manson's delivery bugs some Christians, though... I really do. On the other hand, an artist can present an opinion I disagree with, but can do so in a fashion that actually increases my respect for them. U2's Christianity seems to add a certain conviction and power to their art, while say C.S. Lewis's religious views just seem to turn his work to drivel. >>Be it a >>Christian, an atheist, or just a curious "miscellaneous other." For >>Chaka's sake, I like some of Moby's albums a good deal, and no, his >>religious views don't bug me at all. But I still find it enlightening to >>know about them. > >So would it be a positive or negative thing if he elaborated on those >beliefs at his concert? Moby can say WHATEVER he wants, and I support that. As for my reaction to it, well it really depends on the degree of elaboration, and what the elaboration consists of. If it's too preachy, I probably won't like it. - --Jasons "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:50:12 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: Simon Le Birch Paul Christian Glenn wrote: > Hmm. I think you're misinterpreting what I consider to be odd. I don't think > it's odd that people care about or notice an artist's beliefs. I think it's odd > when people who don't seem to have a problem with artists who *do* "preach" > (i.e., our own beloved Robyn) imply that there would be a problem if the > preaching came from a Christian. I don't think it's odd that you pay attention > to the beliefs of the band. I guess I'll jump in: I think we're talking about some pretty personal issues here. I don't mind listening to Robyn talk about his religious beliefs. But I do mind listening to Christians preach about their beliefs, though I won't complain. It's not that I have anything against Christians as people. I think it's a personal thing that comes from my own personal issues. I'm an atheist who grew up in a strict southern Baptist family and I think I still go through a lot of inner struggle concerning this. Basically, I have a lot of doubts and don't want someone reminding me of them. I think most people are like this in one way or another. No matter how devout a Christian or atheist you may be, there's still probably a very small spec of doubt in the back of everyone's minds. And many Christians don't want to be reminded of their doubt, so they don't like hearing Marilyn Manson talk about his beliefs. It's the same way for agnostics or atheists. I'm not trying to challenge anyone's committment. Some people have less doubt than others. But religion takes faith, and I don't think faith comes without at least a little bit of doubt. And I don't think there's anything wrong with doubt. But it might explain the reaction some people have to "preaching" of any kind. Someday, I hope to have a lot more faith than I do now, either in the existence or non-existence of god. But for now, my own personal fears and doubts will effect my reactions to the preaching of others. Hope I made some sense. Joel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:00:08 -0400 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: September Cones >From: Joel Mullins > >Y&O is worth keeping just for "September Cones." Oh, yes. That one's all right. >The rest of it's >pretty damn good too. Granted, it's no IODOT, EoL, or Eye. But I still >love it. I think I even like it more than JfS. Oh, I sure don't. I'm not sure why. Certainly the spareness of it all doesn't help. And the Steeleye Span feel of several of the tracks kind of bugs me. Oh, wait. I also like "Captain Dry" quite a bit. Ungh. Maybe I'm going to have to buy it again! >From: tclark@apple.com > >IMO EVERY RH album is worth keeping. I mean, is the economy that bad? At the time, mine was. And I didn't love Robyn then as much as I do now (but I did love him almost as much). >Having said that, "Birdshead" is one of the most beautiful songs ever >written. Yep. >Is it just me, or has popular music totally taken a shit? Popular music is as bad as it always was. However, MTV has been getting worse and worse and worse. And the marketing of popular music has totally taken a shit. >Backstreet Boys? What the fuck is that? One hot blond twink and some lousy karaoke. >C'mon, David Bowie >proclaiming Lauryn Hill as a "breakthrough artist"? Geez, hasn't that >guy sucked enough dick in his lifetime? I'm at a loss to understand which of the three meanings presenting themselves you have in mind here. I will say that while I think Hill's album is quite all right, I think it's astronomically overrated and hardly a "breakthrough" of any kind. Just a solid album with too many little bridging skit-tracks. I don't understand those. But at least they weren't as hideous as the ones on O{-+->'s _The Gold Experience_. >So, hey >MTV, try showing a little integrity next year and CREATE musical trends >instead of just acting like the corporate schill that you are. I just want them to die. Just DIE. Network, disband. You are tits and ass, now more than ever, and you're two steps away from being Nickelodeon for teens. >From: "Jason R. Thornton" > >At 11:10 PM 9/9/99 -0400, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > >>I should stress that there's a difference between Christian rock >>and music made by Christians, and Sixpence at least straddle that >>fence. > >Sixpence None the Richer is another one of those bands I've seen for >relationship-related reasons. The only positive thing I have to say about >them is that they definitely weren't preachy. Hell, just based on their >performance, I doubt I would've guessed their religious leanings at all. I >knew their slant ahead of time, and was actively paying attention for even >subtle hints, and I didn't really catch many. You're probably right. I was being unreasonably bitchy. I agree, if I hadn't known, only a few songs on their eponymous album would have tipped me off. That and the dedications. >From: lj lindhurst >If MTV were a person, it would be a horny 14 year-old boy with >homosexual tendencies. This makes it sound far more exciting than it actually is. But (more) seriously, MTV is gay-friendly in that abstracted, don't-get-too-close, straight-but-not-as-narrow-as-you way that many cooler hetkidz are growing up with these days. They give lip service to tolerance, which is excellent, a switch that can't be overrated, but often the tolerance is skin-deep, or comes with a heterocentrism that's still -- sometimes more -- depressing. >From: Paul Christian Glenn >Ain't it strange, though, how nobody complains when, say, oh, Robyn Hitchcock >delivers *his* views about religion in concert, Well, that's because he's right. ;) >or Marilyn Manson, or whoever >else, but if the artist happens to be a Christian, we have to be on the >"lookout" >to make certain that they don't let slip what they believe. Not pickin' a >fight >or anything, 'cause I don't really care what the artist believes (well, >not much, >anyway), I just think it's odd. I'm going to be alienated to a certain extent from any artist (or person, for that matter) who proclaims views I find uncomfortable or offensive. The degree to which that bothers me depends on the vehemence with which it's done. Ultra- confident and obnoxious atheists bother me too. People complain about Marilyn Manson all the time. But it's the people who disagree with him, not those who don't. This shouldn't be a big surprise. >From: Eb > >Is it true that daft old Paul McCartney introduced Lauryn Hill as "Lawrence >Hill"?? That would kick ass. ...are my posts too long? Maybe I should subscribe to the loose-mail version. Or, like, up the signal-to-noise. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, wyrd@rochester.rr.com http://home.rochester.rr.com/wyrd/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:09:23 -0800 From: Eb Subject: re: dreary Didn't we already do the "Christian thing," about a month ago? Eb now disliking: Lilys/The 3-Way ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:24:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Vivien Lyon Subject: Re: Simon Le Bitch Hello everyone, I'm writing from the desk of the monkey. Viva Portland! - --- Paul Christian Glenn wrote: > Ain't it strange, though, how nobody complains when, > say, oh, Robyn Hitchcock > delivers *his* views about religion in concert, or > Marilyn Manson, or whoever > else, but if the artist happens to be a Christian, > we have to be on the "lookout" > to make certain that they don't let slip what they > believe. Not pickin' a fight > or anything, 'cause I don't really care what the > artist believes (well, not much, > anyway), I just think it's odd. Actually, I find it irritating when Robyn delivers once again his long tirade against organized religion. It's not like he's rebelling from it on a personal level- he told me in the interview that he wasn't bitter about Christianity, and his dad certainly didn't seem to have been repressively moralistic. So what's his fucking beef? The argument that *horrible* things have been done in the name of religion is pretty thin. Horrible things are being done every day in the name of hundreds of things. Humans are horrible. At least some organized religion engages in charitble acts, at least it gives hope to people, at least it built some beautiful artefacts. Of course it enslaves peoples' minds- what ideology doesn't? Capitalism, communism, anarcho-syndacalism, Buddism, Islam, Computer-industry-boosterism: pick your blindfold. I think Robyn is terribly simplisitic and petty when he picks on religion. He's closer to the mark when he disses TNCs. But that's just my ideology showing through. Just to be clear, I am not a Christian, nor do I subscribe to any known ideology (except perhaps knee-jerk populism, alas). I grew up in a nigh-fundamentalist home, found it very repressive, and drifted away from the church. But I don't resent Chritsianity, just certain types of 'Christians.' I tried to get Mr. Hitchcock to be a little more forthcoming on the subject of Christianity, but he skirted the issue pretty glibly. However, there are *so* many references to God, Jesus, the Devil, etc. in his songs that I'm convinced there has to be a better reason than 'I grew up in a Christian country and I hate religion.' Vivien __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:04:16 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Fegs Who Have Seen Other Fegs Naked Some sort of weird karmic payback, I suppose.... I just idly plugged my name into some engine which searches the "homeland.aol.com" domain -- I think the engine failed to properly connect my first name and last name, and looked for occurences of either word. Anyway, 17 links turned up. It looks like NINE of them have to do with collecting concert tapes, especially those of the Grateful Dead. I kid you not. Oof. Eb, feeling like his good name has been muddied ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:36:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: raging queen bitch "Andrew D. Simchik" wrote: > Well..."ambiguity" is what bisexuals who refuse to use the > word "bisexual" possess. It's certainly possible to be a > raging queen and bisexual simultaneously (not that I would > know from personal experience). But I think that, like > Morrissey, Stipe is at least a 4.5 on the good old > Kinsey scale (Moz is probably closer to 5, but don't tell my > girlfriend I said that). what's the "Kinsey Scale"? it's possible to be a raging queen and completely heterosexual. or at least fake the former in an attempt to land one of those woman who just knows she's the one who can straighten you out. === "America's greatest natural resource, still, to this day, is the moron" --Martin Mull __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:40:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: ed wood-y and junior "Andrew D. Simchik" wrote: > It's "How Soon Is Now?". It's (the ad) an atrocity. > > Of course, the riff could be re-pinched from Soho's > "Hippychick" for all I know. But it's unlikely. especially since at the tail end of the commercial, they have the drums come in. also on "hippychick" the samples been treated ever so slightly so that if you know what to listen for, you can very easily tell them apart instantly. (soho is very slightly faster, and the gap between the repeated info chord sequence is cut out). >>From: "Russ Reynolds" >>(every song on Imagine is there *except* IDWTBASMIDWTD, and >> the tracks from > > I Don't Want the Big-Ass Sausage Made In Denver With this > Dinner? I Don't Want to be a Soldier (Mama I don't want to die). Ride did a really okay but nothing special version of it on one of those Just Say ... Sire comps. === "America's greatest natural resource, still, to this day, is the moron" --Martin Mull __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:18:52 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: birdshead >Having said that, "Birdshead" is one of the most beautiful songs ever >written.> > >although the version on INVISIBLE HITCHCOCK is better than the one on YOU >AND OBLIVION. How come everyone always says that? I thought the Y&O version was better. I hate finding out I'm wrong. >"Birdshead" is not on my Invisible Hitchcock. Is it a bonous track on >the Rhino reissue? The motherfucker probably meant to say Invisible History. - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:27:14 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: raging queen bitch In a message dated 9/10/99 7:05:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, munki1972@yahoo.com writes: << what's the "Kinsey Scale"? >> He's some old guy in REM song. Thanks, thanks . . . but seriously folks . . . A rating of sexual orientation. I forget exactly how it works, but I think that a 0 is purely heterosexual and that a 7 is purely homosexual, with a 3 or a 4 being bisexual . . . and then there's everything in between. - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:25:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: Re: Re: Simon Le Birch On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Paul Christian Glenn wrote: > it's odd that people care about or notice an artist's beliefs. I think it's odd > when people who don't seem to have a problem with artists who *do* "preach" > (i.e., our own beloved Robyn) imply that there would be a problem if the > preaching came from a Christian. I don't think it's odd that you pay attention > to the beliefs of the band. I say that "Where do we go when we die" or his anti-religious comments are preachier than most of the Christian rock I've heard. (And so what if they only sing about one thing. So does Trent Reznor. You don't see people pigeonholing him like that for it.) Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://grove.ufl.edu/~normal normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:19:05 -0800 From: Eb Subject: speaking of D'Arcy and Oasis...now here is MAJOR news! From Robert Fripp's website diary: "Immediately before the final listen-through, Richard Chadwick called to say Stan Hertzmann (Adrian's manager) had just telephoned him: Adrian has decided not to proceed with King Crimson. An outsider might ask: how could this happen - commitment was made, undertakings were given, musicians turned down and cancelled important work to take part, advances were paid? An insider, or close follower of Crimson history, would then reply: how could this not happen? If Adrian is not committed to the venture, that is sufficient. I called Stan around 19.40 UK time. Adrian has proposed as an alternative to Crimson that ProjeKct Three & a projeKct with Ade, Bill & Tony record a double album. My reply: if Adrian would like to take the initiative with any projeKct, it has my support. But my own current concern is directed towards King Crimson. Stan emphasised that Adrian had wanted to call me direct, but knew I was in London. I asked Stan if the following was an accurate summary of Adrian's position: "Adrian wants to disengage from King Crimson, but to continue engagement with our personal relationship and other possible musical ventures". Stan agreed. Ade's formal resignation from King Crimson will be faxed through to the Seattle hotel where David Singleton & I will be from tomorrow night. Crimson usually breaks up after tours or during rehearsals. The Double Duo is a first in that it has broken up before rehearsing, recording and touring. Even for Crimson, this is an achievement. Two Crimsons have broken up around Christmastime. This year, Christmas has come early." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:52:34 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: I've got a new favorite album of the year Apple Venus Vol. 1 I'm really hungover, so I'll write more about this when I feel better. All I can say now is, why didn't you guys tell me?...oh yeah, I guess you did. Why didn't I listen? - --Joel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:36:43 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Apple Venus So, I haven't really been listening to much XTC for the past few years. I was a pretty big fan in the early 90's. My friend Kye and I used to send XTC and RH tapes to each other. I always loved Nonsuch and Oranges and Lemons, but was never a big fan of early XTC, like Mummer and The Big Express. Anyway, at some point I stopped listening to them. Then some very nice feg (I can't remember which one, but I'd like to know so I can thank him again personally) sent me a tape of the AV demos. I listened to it once or twice and thought it was just okay. Then this past week, I put it in Nonsuch and was having a blast listening to it, so I thought I should give the AV demos another try. This time, I absolutely loved every song! I must have been in a really bad mood that first listen. Every song is just kick ass, even the Bugglegum and James and Giant Peach songs. So, I figured I had to go out and buy Apple Venus Vol. 1. And I did, and I am just blown away! This album is fucking amazing! It blows away every album I've heard this year. I'm having a hard time picking a favorite song because it's all so good. I definitely love the words to "Your Dictionary." "S-H-I-T, is that how you spell me?" That's just awesome. Anyway, I'm looking forward to listeing to this album a shitload. Thanks again to whoever sent me that demos tape. If it wasn't for that, I'd probably still be without AV1. Later Joel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:02:46 -0800 From: Eb Subject: and here's another disturbing link ;) http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/canvas/103/the_tooth_fairy.html Oh man, I'll never be able to look at him the same again, after that picture.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:25:33 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: Simon Le Birch Ross Overbury wrote: > I'd embrace Christianity or anything other than my current model > if that's what best explains the universe as we know it, not out of > faith but out of common sense. Well, this is exactly why I'm an atheist. I have trouble believing in anything that can't be explained using logic. A lot of people, like St. Augustine, thought they had proved the existence of god logically, but in my opinion, their arguments are completely ridiculous. > > Hope I made some sense. > > Maybe I misinterpreted your use of the word "faith" completely. Well, I may have not been clear. I guess the whole reason for being an atheist is that you don't accept things on "faith." I was just trying to explain the existence of doubt in everyone's beliefs. Joel ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #346 *******************************