From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #345 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, September 10 1999 Volume 08 : Number 345 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Lennon... ["Russ Reynolds" ] Re: Brothers ["Russ Reynolds" ] Re: kiwi on the air [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Simon Birch ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] you [Joel Mullins ] Re: you [tclark@apple.com] Re: Simon Birch ["Capitalism Blows" ] I'm Old Skool [tclark@apple.com] Movie plug (NR) [steve ] waiting for waits? [Eb ] Re: Lennon... [overbury@cn.ca] making plans for nigel [The Great Quail ] Re: Simon Birch [Aaron Mandel ] Re: Simon Birch [Joel Mullins ] Re: Simon Le Birch ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: Simon Birch ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: I'm Old Skool [Joel Mullins ] Re: I'm Old Skool [lj lindhurst ] Musical Pumpkins ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: Re: Simon Le Birch [Paul Christian Glenn ] RE: Re: Simon Le Birch ["Chaney, Dolph L" ] RE: Re: Simon Le Birch [Ross Overbury ] Re: Simon Le Birch [Paul Christian Glenn ] to those of you who saw the MTV Awards.... [Eb ] Re: Re: Simon Le Birch ["Jason R. Thornton" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:38:41 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: Lennon... rOss: >If you're talking about the snippet that's on "Shaved Fish", I'm pretty sure >the full version is on "Plop Plop Fizz Fizz". I didn't know anything about >Stevie Wonder being on it though. Are you saying that the other singer in >that number is Stevie? yes, it is. What's PPFF? A boot? - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:45:10 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: Brothers >>Also Syd Barret's song about dating two sisters -- "She don't rock and >>roll . . . she don't like it, no she don't do the stroll. . . " that song, >>but the title escapes me. Okay that's about sisters, but isn't "Macarena" about a couple of brothers? - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:53:49 +1200 (NZST) From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: kiwi on the air >>>p.s. gnat just dedicated a Chris Knox song to James Dignan >> >>you did? Wow thanks - pity I couldn't hear it... which one was it? (FWIW, >>my favourite is probably "Lapse") > >I dedicated a song called "The Uncertainty Principle," I think. I also >mentioned that you probably knew Chris Knox, because everyone in New >Zealand knows each other. \namedropping, starfuckingmode on\... no, I don't, although I spoke to Martin Phillipps yesterday, and am on friendly terms with both David Kilgour (Clean) and Robert Scott (Clean, Bats), plus Alastair Galbraith and various notables not known outside NZ (Luke Hurley, Paul Ubana Jones). Also pleased to hear that me old mate Matthew Bannister is filling in as a (temporary?) Muttonbird for their upcoming performances. \namedropping, starfuckingmode off\ James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:10:18 -0400 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Simon Birch >From: "Fecal Emergency" > >motherfucker's missing out on a complete life. > >. > >this poor sap won't hang out with anybody who engages in "recreational >burping", as he considers it "intolerable". I like how he won't even "befriend" anyone who likes violent music or movies. Yet he wants to use his powers to help mankind. >From: Paul Christian Glenn >>> What I dislike about SNtR is that they are Christian >>> rockers when you get right down to it, > >Yeah, that's a pretty dislikable thing. I should stress that there's a difference between Christian rock and music made by Christians, and Sixpence at least straddle that fence. As for Christians qua Christians, I don't mind them as long as they act gay in public. Or something. >From: MARKEEFE@aol.com > I wonder what it was about the Neutral Milk Hotel that inspired Jeff to >choose it as a band name. Maybe just that it's a weird name. I'll ask the >folks on the E6 list if they know. I always see it and think "Panamaaaaaa...Ciityyyy...Hotelllllllll..."* >From: Tobyhello@aol.com >I also got You And Oblivion, which is 2/3 great, in my opinion; but then The only Robyn Hitchcock album I've ever bought and sold. If I hadn't been a poor little college student at the time I might have kept it, but I was astonished at how much I disliked it. Except, of course, for "Birdshead," "Victorian Squid," and that thing about liking the Pope more than you expect. [Eb gave us:] >The Ehh List, v1999.9.2: Dot Allison, United States Three, the Hippos, >8Stop57, Three Finger Cowboy, Meshell N'degecello, Hot Sauce Johnson, Mike Re: Meshell: no shit. The second Seal record was more compelling, for crying out loud. >From: "Chaney, Dolph L" >Grip: One last question that I'm sure you're tired of answering. Why >'Neutral Milk Hotel'? > >Mangum: Oh, we've just had that since. . . it's always just been. . . I >mean, there's meaning behind it, I just don't really like to divulge it. Insert snarky remark here. Now what I want to know is: why "Bis"? They wouldn't tell us about that one when we talked to them either. But they did clue us in on who "Popstar Kill" is about (but for all we knew they told everyone). Drew * Bob Mould (/ Sugar), for the uninitiated. - -- Andrew D. Simchik, wyrd@rochester.rr.com http://home.rochester.rr.com/wyrd/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 23:59:16 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: you Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > >I also got You And Oblivion, which is 2/3 great, in my opinion; but then > > The only Robyn Hitchcock album I've ever bought and sold. If I hadn't been > a poor little college student at the time I might have kept it, but I was > astonished > at how much I disliked it. Except, of course, for "Birdshead," "Victorian > Squid," > and that thing about liking the Pope more than you expect. Y&O is worth keeping just for "September Cones." The rest of it's pretty damn good too. Granted, it's no IODOT, EoL, or Eye. But I still love it. I think I even like it more than JfS. Joel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:50:28 -0800 From: tclark@apple.com Subject: Re: you > Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > > > >I also got You And Oblivion, which is 2/3 great, in my opinion; but then > > > > The only Robyn Hitchcock album I've ever bought and sold. If I hadn't been > > a poor little college student at the time I might have kept it, but I was > > astonished > > at how much I disliked it. Except, of course, for "Birdshead," "Victorian > > Squid," > > and that thing about liking the Pope more than you expect. > > and then Joel added: > Y&O is worth keeping just for "September Cones." The rest of it's > pretty damn good too. Granted, it's no IODOT, EoL, or Eye. But I still > love it. I think I even like it more than JfS. > > Joel > IMO EVERY RH album is worth keeping. I mean, is the economy that bad? Having said that, "Birdshead" is one of the most beautiful songs ever written. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:07:45 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: Simon Birch even worse is that he thinks being president is a viable way to "help mankind". i mean, here's a guy who's smart enough to be another chomsky (not that he needs replacing quite yet, but he *is* 70), and instead he wants to friggin' be president. i mean, chomsky was writing articles defending the spanish anarchists at age 12... although the version on INVISIBLE HITCHCOCK is better than the one on YOU AND OBLIVION. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:13:53 -0800 From: tclark@apple.com Subject: I'm Old Skool Let me get this disclaimer out of the way: I love awards shows. Let me get this second disclaimer out of the way: I've had four martinis tonight. Is it just me, or has popular music totally taken a shit? I just tolerated the 1999 MTV video music awards and I can't fucking believe how out of touch I am. Backstreet Boys? What the fuck is that? Jesus, after that shit even Ricky Martin sounded good! Don't get me wrong, I don't for a second think that awards shows accurately reflect what's good or bad in today's media, but it just pisses me off that the quality of the barrel-dredge has gotten so fucking bad. C'mon, David Bowie proclaiming Lauryn Hill as a "breakthrough artist"? Geez, hasn't that guy sucked enough dick in his lifetime? I mean, when the hilite of the show is RUN-DMC and AEROSMITH, you know you've got a problem. So, hey MTV, try showing a little integrity next year and CREATE musical trends instead of just acting like the corporate schill that you are. ok, one more martini and THAT'S IT! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 02:38:54 -0500 From: steve Subject: Movie plug (NR) I see that Newsweek has given a little coverage to the upcoming U.S. release of PRINCESS MONONOKE in this week's Periscope section. They give the impression that it will have a hard time overcoming a "culture barrier" in it's travel from Japan. This is nonsense, unless they mean that U.S. audiences can't accept an animated film that doesn't have five musical numbers. There's nothing in PM that can't easily be understood by Americans. They are correct in stating that it is "an operatic tale of man vs. nature," but that's actually selling it short. Director Hayao Miyazaki is a storyteller of subtlety, depth, and imagination. Disney did the dub, but was not allowed to alter the film in any other way. It is being released by Miramax because it is rated PG-13. This is an appropriate rating, because it is really a film for adults and older children. So, if it shows near you, be sure to see this film! Last I read, Miramax was only planning to open it in twenty markets, but that was a couple of months ago and they might be feeling a little bolder by October 29. Here is a site with both English and Japanese trailers: - - Steve ____________________ ...Apple is the tail that wags the Wintel dog. - Herb Bethoney, PC Week ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:49:33 -0800 From: Eb Subject: waiting for waits? http://www.livedaily.com/archive/1999/9909/wk2/Tom_Waits_Unveils_New_Rou.html  ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:55:42 +0000 From: overbury@cn.ca Subject: Re: Lennon... Me: > >If you're talking about the snippet that's on "Shaved Fish", I'm pretty > >sure the full version is on "Plop Plop Fizz Fizz". I didn't know > >anything about Stevie Wonder being on it though. Are you saying that the > >other singer in that number is Stevie? > That guy I always get confused with me: > yes, it is. What's PPFF? A boot? Yup. I can't see the post I sent last night, but maybe it went out anyway, so forgive me if I'm repeating myself, but it's from the afternoon show of the "one on one" concerts, Aug 30 1972. This boot is mostly performances from these shows, blue/white vinyl, cover art is a waiter with a shovel ( a clip from Magical Mystery Tour). The music has probably been re-released in other formats; you know those bootleggers. Stevie, eh? I've got to give that track another listen! - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:03:53 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: making plans for nigel More on Nigel Kennedy -- a new work based on Hendrix: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00000K4IY Heh heh . .. like ya'll care. - --Quail +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society, Kibroth-hattaavah Branch) For fun with postmodern literature, New York vampires, and Fegmania, visit Sarnath: http://www.rpg.net/quail "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:47:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Simon Birch On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > Insert snarky remark here. Now what I want to know is: why "Bis"? > They wouldn't tell us about that one when we talked to them either. it's Scottish baby-talk for 'poop'. a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:18:24 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: Simon Birch Capitalism Blows wrote: > Having said that, "Birdshead" is one of the most beautiful songs ever > written.> > > although the version on INVISIBLE HITCHCOCK is better than the one on YOU > AND OBLIVION. "Birdshead" is not on my Invisible Hitchcock. Is it a bonous track on the Rhino reissue? Joel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:44:38 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Simon Le Birch At 11:10 PM 9/9/99 -0400, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: >I should stress that there's a difference between Christian rock >and music made by Christians, and Sixpence at least straddle that >fence. Sixpence None the Richer is another one of those bands I've seen for relationship-related reasons. The only positive thing I have to say about them is that they definitely weren't preachy. Hell, just based on their performance, I doubt I would've guessed their religious leanings at all. I knew their slant ahead of time, and was actively paying attention for even subtle hints, and I didn't really catch many. Although, I wasn't sure whether or not the leader singer said that the last time they were in San Diego they played *with* The Church... or *at* a church... Their bandname, of course, is a quote of some C.S. Lewis gibberish, which may automatically label them as "Christian rock" in some circles. >[Eb gave us:] > >>The Ehh List Holy fuck, I *just* got the Ehh/A pun. - --Jason, who played Will Robinson on TV's "Lost in Space" "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:55:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: Simon Birch - --- Aaron Mandel wrote: > On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > > > Insert snarky remark here. Now what I want to know is: > why "Bis"? > > They wouldn't tell us about that one when we talked to > them either. > > it's Scottish baby-talk for 'poop'. I'm sorry I asked. Drew === Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:47:21 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: I'm Old Skool tclark@apple.com wrote: > Is it just me, or has popular music totally taken a shit? I just > tolerated the 1999 MTV video music awards and I can't fucking believe > how out of touch I am. Backstreet Boys? What the fuck is that? Jesus, > after that shit even Ricky Martin sounded good! Don't get me wrong, I > don't for a second think that awards shows accurately reflect what's > good or bad in today's media, but it just pisses me off that the quality > of the barrel-dredge has gotten so fucking bad. Well, MTV sucks. The station doesn't have anything to do with music. It's more like a modeling station now. Dumb ass kids call in and request their favorite videos and when asked why they want to see that particular video, they reply "because Ricky Martin is hot," or "Britney Spears is sexy." I mean, when was the last time you saw a really ugly girl on MTV? And since MTV makes stars, you don't have to be a good musician to be a star anymore. You just have to be sexy. It's pretty sad. I'd suggest not watching MTV at all because it can be damaging to your mental health. It could also be damaging to your tv if you happen to one day get really pissed off at all the garbage they put on there and then throw your tv at the wall or something, though if you have a really big tv, you won't need to worry about that. Anyway, speaking of MTV, here's Letterman's Top Ten from a couple of nights ago: Top Ten Ways The World Would Be Different If It Were Owned By MTV ================ 10. President opens State of Union by giving "shout out to Wu Tang" 9. Instead of the Presidents, school kids must learn the lead singers of Van Halen 8. Biggest complaint about the government: "It never shows videos anymore" 7. George W. Bush refuses to answer whether he's ever "gotten jiggy wit' it" 6. So long Washington Monument, hello Tommy Lee Monument 5. "Great Depression" refers to period between Backstreet Boys albums 4. New national anthem would contain samples of other country's national anthems 3. Instead of death penalty, prisoners forced to watch Britney Spears videos in heavy rotation 2. National health plan to treat males suffering from Limp Bizkit 1. First Lady Marilyn Manson ============ - --Joel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:50:44 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: I'm Old Skool >Well, MTV sucks. The station doesn't have anything to do with music. >It's more like a modeling station now. If MTV were a person, it would be a horny 14 year-old boy with homosexual tendencies. martinis...must have....martinis.... ************************************* lj lindhurst White Rabbit Graphic Design http://www.w-rabbit.com NYC ljl@w-rabbit.com ************************************* "My ambition is to kill a scientist, big businessman, government official or the like. I would also like to kill a Communist." -Ted Kaczinski ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:08:29 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Musical Pumpkins Oh look, even D'Arcy has left Oasis. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/19990910/re/music_pumpkins_2.html I'm glad I got to see the full quartet on the last mini-tour they did... - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:16:18 -0600 From: Paul Christian Glenn Subject: Re: Re: Simon Le Birch At 9/10/99 8:44:00 AM, you wrote: >>I should stress that there's a difference between Christian rock >>and music made by Christians, and Sixpence at least straddle that >>fence. Agreed. I don't think "Christian rock", as such, should even exist. The very term is insulting both Christianity *and* rock music. >The only positive thing I have to say about >them is that they definitely weren't preachy. Hell, just based on their >performance, I doubt I would've guessed their religious leanings at all. I >knew their slant ahead of time, and was actively paying attention for even >subtle hints, and I didn't really catch many. Ain't it strange, though, how nobody complains when, say, oh, Robyn Hitchcock delivers *his* views about religion in concert, or Marilyn Manson, or whoever else, but if the artist happens to be a Christian, we have to be on the "lookout" to make certain that they don't let slip what they believe. Not pickin' a fight or anything, 'cause I don't really care what the artist believes (well, not much, anyway), I just think it's odd. >Although, I wasn't sure whether or not the leader singer said that the last >time they were in San Diego they played *with* The Church... or *at* a >church... Well, hell, U2 played with/at a church. Lots and lots of rap and R&B arists play with and at churches. Who cares? >Their bandname, of course, is a quote of some C.S. Lewis gibberish, which >may automatically label them as "Christian rock" in some circles. Hey now, (says Paul as he self-consciously glances at his sigline), Lewis was the man! ;) Paul Christian Glenn | "Besides being complicated, trance@radiks.net | reality, in my experience, http://x-real.firinn.org | is usually odd." -C.S. Lewis Currently Reading: "The Tempest" by William Shakespeare ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:22:35 -0400 From: "Chaney, Dolph L" Subject: RE: Re: Simon Le Birch to illustrate the point about Christians in rock music, every Feg should buy my CD. 8-) thanks and have a good weekend, dolph ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:32:57 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: I'm Old Skool In a message dated 9/10/99 10:51:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ljl@w-rabbit.com writes: << >Well, MTV sucks. The station doesn't have anything to do with music. >It's more like a modeling station now. If MTV were a person, it would be a horny 14 year-old boy with homosexual tendencies. >> Deeply, *DEEPLY* repressed homosexual tendencies maybe. - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:46:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Ross Overbury Subject: Re: Re: Simon Le Birch On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Paul Christian Glenn wrote: > Agreed. I don't think "Christian rock", as such, should even exist. The > very term is insulting both Christianity *and* rock music. > I don't really understand that. I could understand artists being insulted by being labeled "Christian rock" if their songs weren't obsessively limited to Christianity in their scope. I do think it's an odd thing to limit one's self that way -- about as odd as limiting one's output to love songs, or songs about particle physics. How does the term insult Christianity or rock music? > Ain't it strange, though, how nobody complains when, say, oh, Robyn Hitchcock > delivers *his* views about religion in concert, or Marilyn Manson, or whoever > else, but if the artist happens to be a Christian, we have to be on the "lookout" > to make certain that they don't let slip what they believe. Not pickin' a fight > or anything, 'cause I don't really care what the artist believes (well, not much, > anyway), I just think it's odd. Who's "we"? There are those who rail against secular music in general, against anti-religious music and against religious music. Do you mean we fegs? We're not of one mind when it comes to religion in music. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:58:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Ross Overbury Subject: RE: Re: Simon Le Birch On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Chaney, Dolph L wrote: > to illustrate the point about Christians in rock music, every Feg should buy > my CD. > I've heard Christian music that makes me feel like I've got someone at my doorstep evangelising when I'd rather be betting back to my dinner. Dolph's music isn't like that. Dolph gives his songs about Christianity plenty of insight and humanity. And he's not limited to that topic. Check him out. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:17:45 -0600 From: Paul Christian Glenn Subject: Re: Simon Le Birch At 9/10/99 3:46:00 PM, you wrote: >> Agreed. I don't think "Christian rock", as such, should even exist. The >> very term is insulting both Christianity *and* rock music. > > >How does the term insult Christianity or rock music? Well, what follows is, of course, my own opinion, and I'm sure many will disagree. But you asked. ;) Put as simply as possible, the word "Christian" is not an adjective. It's a noun which refers to followers of Christ. Music doesn't follow Christ, people do. When people use "Christian" as an adjective, they are demeaning the true value of the word. Worse yet, when people design things specifically to be "Christian" things, those things are generally an abomination (need I mention things like - *shudder* - the Trinity Broadcasting Network?). We ought not try to mold "things" into being "Christian", otherwise we end up with Christian coffee cups and Christian breath mints and WWJD underwear (cue Steve Taylor, "and we'll only drink milk from a Christian cow"). It leads to a objectification and dehumanization of Christianity. We end up with a counterfeit idea of what Christianity is. All that is to say, there's nothing wrong with expressing your beliefs in your music, so long as it's an honest expression, and not just propoganda. >> Ain't it strange, though, how nobody complains when, say, oh, Robyn Hitchcock >> delivers *his* views about religion in concert, or Marilyn Manson, or whoever >> else, but if the artist happens to be a Christian, we have to be on the "lookout" >> to make certain that they don't let slip what they believe. Not pickin' a fight >> or anything, 'cause I don't really care what the artist believes (well, not much, >> anyway), I just think it's odd. > >Who's "we"? There are those who rail against secular music in general, >against anti-religious music and against religious music. Do you mean >we fegs? We're not of one mind when it comes to religion in >music. Of course, you're right. "We", as I used it, was basically a polite reference to Jason. Paul Christian Glenn | "Besides being complicated, trance@radiks.net | reality, in my experience, http://x-real.firinn.org | is usually odd." -C.S. Lewis Currently Reading: "The Tempest" by William Shakespeare ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:43:53 -0800 From: Eb Subject: to those of you who saw the MTV Awards.... Is it true that daft old Paul McCartney introduced Lauryn Hill as "Lawrence Hill"?? Eb Cheesecake of the day: http://talking-heads.net/graphics/sf99_3.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:52:37 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Re: Simon Le Birch At 02:16 PM 9/10/99 -0600, Paul Christian Glenn wrote: >Ain't it strange, though, how nobody complains when, say, oh, Robyn Hitchcock >delivers *his* views about religion in concert, or Marilyn Manson, or whoever >else, but if the artist happens to be a Christian, we have to be on the >"lookout" >to make certain that they don't let slip what they believe. What!??? Nobody complains about Marilyn Manson's views about religion? HA! >Not pickin' a fight >or anything, 'cause I don't really care what the artist believes (well, not >much, >anyway), I just think it's odd. I'm not picking a fight either, but what's so odd about it? It's only odd if you're the sort of person that goes to a concert and never pays attention to the show. When I see a band, I'm on the "lookout" (as you characterize it) for all sorts of things - from political stances to lyrical content to interesting chords to instrument brandnames to nice asses. And, yeah, I care (ie, am interested in) what the artist's beliefs are on all sorts of issues. I'm interested in Robyn Hitchcock's rambling diatribes about organized religion, just as I'm interested in whether or not the Cranberries decide to Bible-babble. I dunno. It feels like you're accusing me of "complaining" and playing victimization politics in some sort of attempt to portray me as a anti-Christian thought-policeman, and, if so, that's way off the mark. I never complained, and nor did I say Christians shouldn't speak their mind. But, if they do, I've as much of a right to disagree with them as they do to Jesus-spam. I didn't like Sixpence, so I was probably paying MORE attention to the other non-musical factors than I would have if it were another band like U2. Sixpence's music was just utterly uninteresting. I *only* brought up the specific Christian factor because I disagreed with Drew's assertion that they "straddled the fence." They didn't even SEEM like a "Christian rock" band to me at all. Or at least they weren't trying to reinforce their image as one in any perceivable way. >>Although, I wasn't sure whether or not the leader singer said that the last >>time they were in San Diego they played *with* The Church... or *at* a >>church... > >Well, hell, U2 played with/at a church. Lots and lots of rap and R&B arists >play >with and at churches. Who cares? Well, not to be a smartass, but someone who is interested in whether or not a rock band is Christian, that's who... for whatever reason. Be it a Christian, an atheist, or just a curious "miscellaneous other." For Chaka's sake, I like some of Moby's albums a good deal, and no, his religious views don't bug me at all. But I still find it enlightening to know about them. Knowing about Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan's religious views is interesting to me as well, and has aided me in my full appreciation of his music. Why shouldn't I care? - --Jason "I may or may not have been kidding about the nice asses" Thornton "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #345 *******************************