From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #335 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, September 3 1999 Volume 08 : Number 335 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Peel 60th TV [Michael R Godwin ] Re: 2 questions [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Brian May's guitar, serious guitar geekdom content 110% [Mark_Gloster] Re: Brian May's guitar, serious guitar geekdom content 110% [overbury@cn.] eb's mp3 question [shmac@ix.netcom.com] Re: 2 questions [Joel Mullins ] FW: guitar picks ["Chaney, Dolph L" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #334 [Doc ] mp3s all over the world [Eb ] ps [Eb ] Re: mp3s all over the world ["John B. Jones" ] Hedblade interview in ill. entertainer [DDerosa5@aol.com] "I often find myself asking for a dish of Thoth" [Natalie Jacobs ] why am I answering this? [James Dignan ] grilled about cheese ["Russ Reynolds" ] totally OT [tanter ] RE: Hedblade interview in ill. entertainer ["Chaney, Dolph L" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:57:40 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Peel 60th TV On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, Alfred Masciocchi wrote: > This morning, I happened to be reading an article on Marc Bolan from > Uncut of a few years ago and there was reference to a falling out > between Bolan and Peel. No details were given but this could explain > the lack of T. Rex content. Yes, Peel stopped playing Marc's records when he shortened the band name to T Rex and went commercial. IIRC, it all started when Peel refused to play 'Hot Love' and Marc took umbrage. But I would have thought that would all have been forgiven and forgotten by now, specially since Marc has been dead for 20 years. - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:12:14 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: 2 questions On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Joel Mullins wrote: > 2) Is anyone familiar with a song called "Seven Old Ladies Locked in > the Lavatory?" And if so, do you know the words? [To the tune of 'Johnny's so long at the fair'] "Oh dear what can the matter be Three old ladies locked in the lavatory They were there from Monday to Saturday Nobody knew they were there" That's the only verse I know, and the number of ladies is wrong, but I assume that this is a variant of the same song. - - Mike Godwin PS to Ken W: Surely 'Cherry Oh Baby' is not a Stones original - isn't it by Peter Tosh or some other reggae outfit? PPS to woj: Did I ever tell you that I once saw Ivan Papasov and his Bulgarian Wedding Band? Pretty good. They were supporting those people from the London College of Printing who make their own hurdy-gurdies etc. Can't remember what they're called - Onomatopoeia, Prestidigitation, some name lake that. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:45:35 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: Brian May's guitar, serious guitar geekdom content 110% >PS for plectrum buffs: what is all this stuff about the Baby Jesus pick >and the Virgin Mary pick which Hitchcock occasionally refers to? My previous response disappeared... I'm trying again... Thin vs. heavy. Also see leek vs. furniture van. "Because there are only two possibilities."-RH Re: Brian May's hair piece... Fireplace and tree are the same to a dog. It has been several several years since I read the article. On non musical-taste issues I yield to Terry's research. I hope I wasn't suggesting that Brian had used a US quarter. I was just explaining that a lot of people had. In fact, I saw Brian, in fact, use a furniture van on "Tie Your Mother Down" during thier "Last Capitalization of a Dying Rock Star" tour. Happies, - -Markg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:58:42 +0000 From: overbury@cn.ca Subject: Re: Brian May's guitar, serious guitar geekdom content 110% Mike G: > PS for plectrum buffs: what is all this stuff about the Baby Jesus pick > and the Virgin Mary pick which Hitchcock occasionally refers to? I've always assumed it's Baby Jesus for light, Hail Mary for medium and Our Father for heavy guage. - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:00:02 -0700 From: shmac@ix.netcom.com Subject: eb's mp3 question To me, the coolest thing about mp3s is that I can burn 12 or 13 albums' worth of music onto one CD and thus take a whole bunch of music to work with me without lugging a lot of CDs. I have a disc of Robyn stuff (Black Snake through Jewels), a bunch of jazz discs, a Scandinavian folk disc, etc. I doubt I would ever purchase an mp3-only deal -- I, too, like the corporeality of the actual disc, liner notes, etc. -- though I do download a lot of music off of mp3.com (and not just Dolph and Tom's stuff ;-)) just to listen to and explore. I see mp3s almost as the digital extension of tape. Everything I used to do with cassettes I now do with mp3s. And need I point out that I'm really digging Bayard's Robyn ftp thingy? - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 10:29:15 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: 2 questions Michael R Godwin wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Joel Mullins wrote: > > 2) Is anyone familiar with a song called "Seven Old Ladies Locked in > > the Lavatory?" And if so, do you know the words? > > [To the tune of 'Johnny's so long at the fair'] > > "Oh dear what can the matter be > Three old ladies locked in the lavatory > They were there from Monday to Saturday > Nobody knew they were there" That's the chorus, which is the only part I remembered. Each verse is about one of the ladies and they're all pretty hysterical. Does anyone know a good site to find lyrics to obscure funny folk songs like this? Joel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:46:44 -0400 From: "Chaney, Dolph L" Subject: FW: guitar picks > Robyn says the Baby Jesus is a "73 millimeter." This is a classic case of > Spinal-Tap-Stonehenge-Measurement-Decimalization-Error, of course, because > a 73-millimeter-thick pick would be ridiculous, like trying to strum using > a jewel box or something. > > If he means .73mm, though, it would correspond to a medium guitar pick. I > alternate between .88mm (heavier than most) and 1.08mm, which is almost > coinage-worthy. > > your own private Dolph ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:02:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Doc Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #334 Chris Gross said: >I need to play CDs on my work computer if I'm going to stay sane. >However, I'm not satisfied with either Windows95's built-in audio CD >player or CDmax, a free third-party player that I downloaded. >Could someone recommend a better option? WinAmp. Available from www.winamp.com. The latest version of the player was just released, and it's cleared up a few annoying bugs. >Here are my requirements: >must work with Windows95 (at home I'm a devoted, not to say rabid, >Mac user; but I need something to use on my Wintel box at work) WinAmp works under 95/98/NT ("the unholy trinity). >must have the option to download from and upload to both CDDB and >freedb.org Dunno nothing about that. I know there's an option to do CDDB because when WinAmp fires up, it attempts to connect to CDDB. I turned that off straight away. I know what CD I put in the player, thanks very much. >must be FREE! (in the no-payment-required sense if not the >open-source sense) No open source, but WinAmp is free. >ideally the player should let you modify its appearance with "skins" Got some groovy skins on the WinAmp page. I have a couple of groovy Simpsons skins. >I *don't* need MP3 compatability or anything like that, since my >computer won't play anything but regular audio CDs Well, WinAmp does play MP3 files, .wav files, and a bunch of other things. It also supports streaming MP3 files so you can pick up on Internet radio broadcasts that support MP3. If you don't use these features, no big whoop. I use MP3 files because the compression factor is **HUGE** (10:1, in some cases), and I can get much more music on my hard disk. I find that having MP3 copies of CDs is much handier than having the CDs themselves. I usually rip a copy of a couple of CDs onto my hard drive the night before I go to work, and then listen to the discs over a couple of days. When I get tired of the copy, I either burn the MP3 versions to CD, and keep them at work. In a few months' time I'll have a fair number of MP3 copies at work and I won't have to do the ripping from home. I don't trade or give away the files, though. Mike Godwin did say: >PS for plectrum buffs: what is all this stuff about the Baby Jesus pick >and the Virgin Mary pick which Hitchcock occasionally refers to? I thought it was the "Hail Mary" pick. My guess would be that the Baby Jesus pick is a thin pick used for delicate sound and the Hail Mary is the big thick fuckoff pick used to get big chunky sound. MMM... why isn't Robyn selling Hail Mary and Baby Jesus picks through the Museum? They'd be great, with a little embossed cartoon of a Baby Jesus or a Hail Mary. They'd make excellent Christmas gifts. Sorry, non-Christians, these picks are for God's redheaded stepchildren. - -Doc __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:02:43 -0800 From: Eb Subject: mp3s all over the world >I use MP3 files because the compression factor is **HUGE** (10:1, in some >cases) Actually, my research tells me that the compression is between 12:1 and 13:1. No? >To me, the coolest thing about mp3s is that I can burn 12 or >13 albums' worth of music onto one CD and thus take a whole bunch >of music to work with me without lugging a lot of CDs. I have >a disc of Robyn stuff (Black Snake through Jewels), a bunch of >jazz discs, a Scandinavian folk disc, etc. > >I doubt I would ever purchase an mp3-only deal -- I, too, like >the corporeality of the actual disc, liner notes, etc. -- though >I do download a lot of music off of mp3.com (and not just Dolph >and Tom's stuff ;-)) just to listen to and explore. OK, it's interesting to see these responses...I do think it's intriguing how so many people responded via email, even though the list is in a deep lull right now. Like they didn't want to publicly "out" themselves as patronizing the bootleg MP3 industry. Heh. But tell me, those of you who burn MP3s onto CDs -- there IS a noticeable difference in quality between that CD and a conventional CD, right? Even though the difference may not be that striking or disturbing? As for this much-discussed CDDB apparatus, once again, I'm comforted to discover a limit to my collector weenieism. ;) Eb np: http://users.deltanet.com/~gondola/np.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:04:59 -0800 From: Eb Subject: ps Have I mentioned how *glad* I am that my name isn't "Mac McAnally"? Oof! Eb, playing with Randi in the bad-plumbing pool np: the man hisself ------------------------------ Date: 2 Sep 1999 14:32:55 -0700 From: "John B. Jones" Subject: Re: mp3s all over the world Hi, I'm John. <"Hi, John!"> I regularly hunt for and download mp3's of copyrighted, commercially available music. <"Well, have a seat John, and we're glad you made it to this week's meeting."> Uh, I'm also known in some circles as Lobsterman. <"Sit down, John."> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:31:43 EDT From: DDerosa5@aol.com Subject: Hedblade interview in ill. entertainer Jay H. has a one pager in the new issue of Illinois entertainer, a free rag here in Chicago. Unfortunately, I just checked, and it's not available on their website. I'll just post a few interesting answers RH gave--if you want the whole thing, either pick up the mag or get Jay to post it... "I think JfS is less somber than probably my last ten albums. I figured now that I'm not a rock artist any more, it was time to make a rock album, but perhaps in an old-fashioned sense. If rock is now defined by Limp Bizkit, then my stuff is pretty much like Stravinsky or Cole Porter in terms of style." On Cheese Alarm: "It's about consumption. In the end, it's about people being destroyed by their own appetites, which is a theme I've touched upon before in "eaten by her own dinner" and "balloon man". Q: What appetites consume you? "Alcohol and tobacco, particularly, have consumed me. I've gained 30 or 40 pounds in the last 25 years through Guinness abuse...There are people who say that people who can't transcend their fleshly appetites must be reborn, they must keep coming back until they are not so engulfed by desire. I'm pretty full of desire, but I guess that means I'm alive." About sentimental songs on the new album: "I think earlier on I tired to avoid being vulnerable by just being manic. It was a kind of machismo, British, middle-class, don't-show-any-emotion kind of thing. It's why I always hated James Taylor. [yea!] It was gooey and I'd rush and put my Velvets albums on, put on some shades, and go and smarl at a small animal or something. I'm allowing myself to get more tender as I get older, so things like "Dark Princess" and "I Feel Beautiful" are part of that. That's the way I'd kind of like things to go in terms of my songwriting." On trends in the rock world: "I'll be interested to hear how much louder things can get. It seems like every generation has to bludgeon people that much harder to make itself felt. The next thing will be to actually disembowel yourself on stage or eat your own penis...I'm sure whatever it is, money will be involved. This just marks me out as an old guy. I thought music was too loud when I saw Mott the Hoople in London in 1971...I'll see how long I can get away with it." It ends with Jay saying 'If he continues to get away with it, RH is on his way to becoming a legend.' Oh yeah, and it started with a line I'd be interested in others' opinions on: about Robyn stripping his sound down to his guitars and a harmonica, 'it's horribly out of sync in a world dominated by Orgy and marilyn manson, but it's exactly the sort of thing one imagines Beck will be doing in a matter of years.' ya think? So long, see y'all when I've relaxed and gone on the dole, dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:44:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: "I often find myself asking for a dish of Thoth" >What does it mean to give someone a Thoth, exactly? >(Newbie question #356.) In the wild hills of southeastern Michigan, there is a tribe which practices the ancient art of aluminium foil sculpture, an art which has been passed down from mother to daughter for over 30,000 years. Among these tribespeople, it is customary to create images of a creature which resembles the ibis-headed Egyptian god Thoth, and present them as offerings to their own gods, a pantheon which includes such mystical beings as the Wondrous Partridge, Mangum the Ear-Splitter, and a dark emanation known only as R'bain Atchkoch. Followers of Atchkoch, known as Phegs, also exchange these "Thoths" among themselves. The gift of a Thoth indicates deep respect, and the gods are said to react to such gifts with polite bemusement. Images of Oscar Wilde, Liam Gallagher, and the Elder God Cthulhu are also said to exist, though these items are rare. n. p.s. See www-personal.umich.edu/~gnat/me.html for more details. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:27:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: Brian May's guitar, serious guitar geekdom content 110% On Thu, 1 Sep 1999, Mark G pontificated thusly: >Two Brian May models came out a few years ago. The cheapo sounded >little better than a Danelectro. The expensive one was very true >to original form. I can't remember who came out with it. Wasn't it Guild who put that out? >>I tried playing with a coin for a pick once...didn't quite work for me... I sometimes play with dimes when i can't find a pick. Matchbooks covers -- folded (and taped if necessary) -- will work in a pinch. >I still really like Queen. Say whatever you want. I don't listen >to them much anymore, but am suddenly compelled to run out and >get A Day at the Races and A Night at the Opera again and who >knows what else. Strangely, those are also my favorite Marx Bros. >flyx. Don't know about Marx Bros. moo-vees, but I definitely love those two albums. I don't listen to 'em much any more, but I know I wore down their grooves pretty far when i was in high school. I always dug the songs "'39" and "The Prophet's Song". >Wayne and Garth (people still ask me if I'm Garth) I thought people ask you if you're James Dignan! Tom clarked: >Whenever this part comes around it is guaranteed that at least a few >people in each section do the Wayne's World thing. It's absolutely >Pavlovian. I've also noticed a pavlovian response when it comes to "YMCA" at weddings or clubs, or wherever. People will invariably do the little hand and arm gestures to form the letters. >p.s. Ever notice that when you hire a stripper for a house call they >always dance to AC/DC? Not just AC/DC, but "You Shook Me All Night Long". Frankly, I think "Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap" would be far more appropriate. >Um, wait, I think I'm revealing too much here... Uh, yeah... Re: Great cover toonz: "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" by Elton John Side two of 'Faithful' by Todd Rundgren "All Along The Watchtower" by Jimi Hendrix "Not Alone Anymore" by Adrian Belew All the cover versions on FGTH's 'Welcome to the Pleasuredome', especially "Born To Run" Cheers! - -g- Glen Uber | uberg@sonic.net | http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 19:40:57 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: Brian May's guitar, serious guitar geekdom content 110% Glen Uber wrote: > >>I tried playing with a coin for a pick once...didn't quite work for me... > > I sometimes play with dimes when i can't find a pick. Matchbooks covers -- > folded (and taped if necessary) -- will work in a pinch. Blockbuster video cards and some credit cards also work. And it also works to just stick your thumb and index finger together and play like that. But if I play that way after a few beers, I end up busting my finger open and bleeding all over my guitar, so I don't recommend it. Joel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:45:10 -0600 From: ultraconformist@ets.cncdsl.com Subject: new address and question For all intents and purposes this is my new email addy. If you sent anything to the eudoramail one, don't fret, it's still there and will continue to exist indefinitely, but obviously I would prefer people use this one. OK, now that's over with. The illustrious James writes: >PPS - yes, Pet Clark is still around. Indeed, she is. But even if she were not, she would still be around in me. I seem to have this bizarre "Little Voice"-ish talent for imitating her. I don't know where it came from, as a) my voice is a good deal lower in register and b) I'm not an especial fan of hers. For some reason, I seem to have her vocal mannerisms totally down. Yesterday at dinner with Doug's sister-in-law, who is a huge Pet Clark fan, I launched into a letter-perfect "Don't Sleep In The Subway", greatly astounding her and prompting requests to "do that again!". Talk about your oddball and mostly useless talents. Anyhow...... So there was some discussion at dinner about an Arlo Guthrie track called "The Ballad of Ruben Clamso and His Strange Daughters" (I'm not entirely sure, but that sounds right). Does anyone know what album this might be on and if it's available on CD? I figure if anyone would know, Fegs would know. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 19:45:32 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: Queen... Boy, when I brought up queen I thought I'd just be laughed off the list and that would be the end of it. I'm kinda surprised so many fegs have detected a wee bit of merit in their music. Stephen querried: >Had anyone else ever thought that "Sexy Sadie" sounded kinda like what >Queen would do in the future? I remember thinking at the time, "this sounds like something a band called Queen might sing". And then, like two or three years later this band called Queen emerges singing stuff just like that. Boy, was I freaked out. rOss: >As a teen, he built his own guitar (the Red Special), and used it in his work >with Queen. Played it with a sixpence for a pick, too. You'd never quite >duplicate it if you were tempted to do so. It's duplicated rather well on one or two tracks on the Pumpkins' "Melon Collie..." CD. I have no idea if that was intentional or not but it makes me wonder if they were fans of early Queen. Never heard nuthin' either way from the SP's about it... MarkG: >I still really like Queen. Say whatever you want. I don't listen >to them much anymore, but am suddenly compelled to run out and >get A Day at the Races and A Night at the Opera again and who >knows what else. Strangely, those are also my favorite Marx Bros. >flyx. I still have a Queen tape I put together 15 or 20 years ago with all the good softer stuff on one side and all the good harder stuff on the other side. Called the soft side "A Night In Casablanca" and the hard side "A Day At The Circus". Probably not high on yer list of Marx Bros films but the titles seemed appropriate. Sharkboy again: >I was in a little breakfast place with some friends a couple of >years ago when Bohem'sody came on the radio. When it reached its >crescendo, all of us at the table began bobbing our heads like >Wayne and Garth (people still ask me if I'm Garth) and everyone >in the place thought we were very funny. My mom, who is somewhere in the neighborhood of 60 yrs old, sings with a choral group--other folks her age, give or take 10 years. Earlier this year they put on a concert at the Unitarian Church in Palo Alto, saluting american pop music. One of the tunes was BoRhap. The conductor explained that it was not really an American tune as it was written by an English composer named Freddie Mercury but they included the song anyway because she liked it. It was funny enough watching my mom sing one of the tunes that used to prompt screams of "TURN THAT DOWN!" from outside my door, but when they got to the rockin' part (played as mightily as a 60 year old lady on a piano can play it) and the bald heads started bobbing up and down I nearly lost it. tc: >Between periods at San Jose Sharks games (that's hockey, folks) they >sometimes play "Bohem'sody" whilst people chat and obtain refreshments. >Whenever this part comes around it is guaranteed that at least a few >people in each section do the Wayne's World thing. It's absolutely >Pavlovian. Besides Wayne & Garth, the other image that always comes to mind when I think of "A Night At The Opera" is a young Homer Simpson in his bean bag chair with the big Queen poster on the wall behind him. - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 14:54:21 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: why am I answering this? >2) Is anyone familiar with a song called "Seven Old Ladies Locked in >the Lavatory?" And if so, do you know the words? only that it's a parody of "Oh dear what can the matter be", with the same melody. I think it's: Oh dear what can the matter be seven old ladies locked in the lavatory they were there from Monday till Saturday nobody knew they were there James (who has also heard it as "seven nuns", which scans a little better) PS - on the skinnybint debate, I just think of how 'the new look' ruined Melanie Griffith, and remember Dawn French's words: "If I'd lived in Ruben's time, I'd have been a supermodel. Kate Moss would have been the paintbrush!" James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 19:55:15 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: grilled about cheese I just got off the phone with Travis from the Gallup Poll who asked me a seemingly endless string of conversations about cheese. Midway through the questioning I informed him that he had already broken my personal record for questions about cheese in one phone call. But the man kept on going. When he asked what my favorite cheeses were I told him "all the ones mentioned in the song 'Cheese Alarm' by Robyn Hitchcock." He said he had never heard of that song (so I guess I'm the first feglister he's called) and I said "well you should run out and buy it--it'll help you with this survey." I don't think he's gonna do it though. - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 22:41:17 -0500 From: tanter Subject: totally OT If anyone out there knows a Jesse Cantrell, aged about 59 from Philadelphia, please let me know. Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:30:11 -0400 From: "Chaney, Dolph L" Subject: RE: Hedblade interview in ill. entertainer About Beck -- he's already stripped down to an acoustic guitar and harmonica from time to time. In fact, I think his one full-length exploration of this, ONE FOOT IN THE GRAVE, is my favorite Beck CD. MUTATIONS is pretty heavy on this side of Beckness too. I don't think he's going to go full-time in any one direction for years, though. He's likely to make seemingly random genre excursions a long time before then. I figure we're gonna have an analogue to Neil Young -- where the hip-hop records correspond to Crazy Horse albums, and then Beck would have occasional fits of genre-hopping a la Neil in the '80s. dolph np: trish murphy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 07:58 +0000 From: mrrunion@palmnet.net Subject: Re: "I often find myself asking for a dish of Thoth" gnat, explaining the mysterious tin-foil cult... > >Images of Oscar Wilde, Liam Gallagher, and the Elder God Cthulhu are also >said to exist, though these items are rare. That HEADLESS Liam, gnat, HEADLESS Liam! Mike (whose Thoth is still proudly displayed on his living room mantel) Runion ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:28:38 -0700 From: "Partridge, John" Subject: EC's Beyond Belief What do y'all think this song is about? I'm no EC expert so the answer may be well and widely known and if so I'd love to hear it. I really like the brightly specific images and the crisp pace with which he slaloms through them. However, they don't add up to a general theme or idea for me. I'm not saying they necessarily should but EC is plenty clever enough to pull it off and I was wondering what you folks took away from the song. So this is Textual Analysis 101 I guess. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #335 *******************************