From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #326 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, August 25 1999 Volume 08 : Number 326 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Blight Album ["Chris!" ] Little originals with big covers. [Capuchin ] Re: Little originals with big covers. [Terrence M Marks ] Re: Little originals with big covers/Rockin' Mel Slurp [Eb ] how can I sing like a girl? ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] The Real King Elvis [Joel Mullins ] Re: Blight Album [Joel Mullins ] Smile [Joel Mullins ] Elvis, Beatles, Beach Boys [Joel Mullins ] a really dumb Liz Phair question [Christopher Gross ] a really dumb Liz Phair question [Christopher Gross ] Beach Beatles Beta ["jbranscombe@compuserve.com" ] Re: White Album [Jeff Dwarf ] Ringo songs [Eric Loehr ] Re: Ringo songs [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Slimey miles [dmw ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:10:28 -0700 From: "Chris!" Subject: Re: Blight Album Terrence M Marks wrote: > > On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Chris! wrote: > > > > > This debater stinks of a good Nissan vs. Toyota debate. > I should add, not to offend the two (randomly) selected authors, that the word "debater" should appear as "debate." We apologize for any inconvenience, but cannot be held for any fiscal lose this error may have caused. .chris (T3 bound) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:14:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Little originals with big covers. On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Michael R Godwin wrote: > PS James has already picked up on the point that 'Ob-la-di Ob-la-da' was a > hit single for the Marmalade. What other examples are there of albums > containing an obvious hit which was not released by the original artiste > and was then covered successfully? The only example I can think of off the > top of my head is Stevie Wonder's 'Isn't she lovely?', and I can't even > remember the name of the bloke who covered it. David something? Natalie Imbruglia sold a bazillion records based on the strength of Ednaswap's "Torn". There are heaps of others that aren't leaping to mind. I'm always really upset when one artist takes credit for another's song (though I LOVE covers when they're interesting and add dimension... I just think it's vital to make it very clear that it's somebody else's song). J. - -- ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:26:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: Little originals with big covers. > On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Michael R Godwin wrote: > > PS James has already picked up on the point that 'Ob-la-di Ob-la-da' was a > > hit single for the Marmalade. What other examples are there of albums > > containing an obvious hit which was not released by the original artiste > > and was then covered successfully? The only example I can think of off the > > top of my head is Stevie Wonder's 'Isn't she lovely?', and I can't even > > remember the name of the bloke who covered it. David something? There's got to be _something_ in Three Dog Night's catalog that fits that description. Argent's "Liar" was cool, but not really an obvious hit, likewise for The Monkees' "I'll Be True To You" (which was a hit for The Hollies in England). How was the original "Mama Told Me (not to come)"? Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://grove.ufl.edu/~normal normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:27:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: Blight Album On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Chris! wrote: > the word "debater" should appear as "debate." We apologize for any > inconvenience None taken. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://grove.ufl.edu/~normal normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:34:57 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Little originals with big covers/Rockin' Mel Slurp >> PS James has already picked up on the point that 'Ob-la-di Ob-la-da' was a >> hit single for the Marmalade. What other examples are there of albums >> containing an obvious hit which was not released by the original artiste >> and was then covered successfully? The only example I can think of off the >> top of my head is Stevie Wonder's 'Isn't she lovely?', and I can't even >> remember the name of the bloke who covered it. David something? > >Natalie Imbruglia sold a bazillion records based on the strength of >Ednaswap's "Torn". Right. Also popping into my mind: Otis Redding's "Respect" and Dolly Parton's "I Will Always Love You." Badfinger's "Without You," too (cue dainty-psychedelia boy...). Nick Lowe's "(What's So Funny About) Peace, Love & Understanding"? Not sure, because I've never noticed/researched what Lowe album contains this tune. Speaking of Elvis, perhaps "Blue Suede Shoes" might be relevant here? Or "Hound Dog," or.... I-love-major-label-bullshit department: Just heard some mediocre new record on Columbia by Melanie Doane, a mainstream pop-rocker. She looks kinda like Markie Post without big hair and implants. There are seven pictures in the album artwork -- three picture her with an electric guitar around her neck, and one pictures an electric guitar sitting alone in an easy chair. After playing a few tracks, I skimmed the musician credits and found that Doane's instrument of choice is actually *violin* -- she doesn't play guitar at all. She does earn points for titling one song "Mel's Rock Pile," however. Otherwise, Paul McCartney sang real purty and real rockin' too (sang = past tense), and yes, Randy's "Mama Told Me Not to Come" is a worthwhile pick. 42/261, Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:38:18 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: Little originals with big covers. >> On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Michael R Godwin wrote: >> > PS James has already picked up on the point that 'Ob-la-di Ob-la-da' was a >> > hit single for the Marmalade. What other examples are there of albums >> > containing an obvious hit which was not released by the original artiste >> > and was then covered successfully? > >There's got to be _something_ in Three Dog Night's catalog that fits that >description. Argent's "Liar" was cool, but not really an obvious hit, >likewise for The Monkees' "I'll Be True To You" (which was a hit for The >Hollies in England). How was the original "Mama Told Me (not to come)"? The original "Mama Told Me Not to Come" is on Randy Newman's first album, which I coincidentally heard for the first time yesterday (yes, I'm continuing on my obsessive Randy Newman Revival). It's really not much different than 3DN's version...a bit less funky, and a bit more bluesy. What a good song, though-- I don't think Three Dog Night really had the personality to bring out what a *funny* song that is, however. When Randy Newman sings it, you truly get the feeling that he IS shocked by this party! Hey, has anyone else heard this song that they're playing on the radio right now that is an exact fucking RIPOFF of the melody to "Ob-la-di Ob-la-da"? I don't know who it's by, but it is PAINFULLY obvious that they are-- to use a much-abused expression around here-- "ripping off the Beatles". * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * LJ Lindhurst White Rabbit Graphic Design http://www.w-rabbit.com NYC ljl@w-rabbit.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:47:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: how can I sing like a girl? > From: "Russ Reynolds" > > >And by the way, Paul *is* the world's greatest singer > (of rock n roll at > >least). [...] > you know what? I'll give you "Blackbird", and I'll throw > in "I'm Down" and > "Hey Jude", but I'll take Lennon any day. I find Paul's > voice actually > comes off somewhat weak a good deal of the time, > including on "Yesterday" > IMO. Lennon sang from the soul. They're both not bad, but people, let's face it, they are not notable for their exceptional singing voices. I guess it depends on how you define "rock n roll," and maybe you value "versatility" over other qualities, but Carl Wilson had a better voice than all four Beatles combined. > From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" > > I've just looked at Scaruffi. Boy, the word erratic was > invented for the > chap. That's for sure. I quite like Madder Rose when I'm in the mood, and I haven't heard the new album, but he had it listed awfully high... > From: lj lindhurst > > In the tv documentary about Brian Wilson, they were > saying how he had > a sandbox underneath his piano so he could always have > his feet in > the sand when he wrote. But when they asked him about > it, he > admitted that there were other things in there too: > Apparently, the > cat had begun using his sandbox for a litterbox, so his > feet were > always in there mingling with CAT TURDS. blech! The man had Problems. Neither his genius nor his mental health have been consistent. But like timelessness, I reject consistency as a requisite for genius. > From: Joel Mullins > > Why? How about let's compare "Alright Yeah" to "I Feel > Beautiful". > Hmm. I think I like "I Feel Beautiful" better. Does > that mean JfS is > better than Moss Elixir? It means you have no taste! :) I can't seem to fully enjoy any song Robyn writes with "Beautiful" in the title. Maybe it's just that he seems better at getting that feeling across without using that word. Drew, who almost prefers the Swedish version of "Alright, Yeah" to both combined P.S. I'm astonished to find that my Beach Boy-lovin', Morrissey-lovin', quasi-goth girlfriend is becoming infected with Hitchcock. I caught her singing the chorus to "Jewels for Sophia" after only one listen, and the other day she actually *asked* to hear "that 'Sinister but Happy' song." You must understand that heretofore Hitchcock had been her typical example of where her musical tastes and mine differed. === Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:52:41 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: The Real King Elvis Elvis Costello turned 45 today! Woohooo. Let's have a party! - --Joel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:49:15 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: Blight Album Chris! wrote: > > > > > > Compare ... to ... or ..., please. > > > > Why? How about let's compare ... to .... > > Hmm. I think I like .... Does that mean ... is > > better than ...? Not by a long shot! > > This debater stinks of a good Nissan vs. Toyota debate. You've missed the point of my argument. What I meant was that you can't say Nissan is better than Toyota just because Nissan's get better gas mileage. There's a lot more to a car than just gas mileage...and there's a lot more to the White Album than just Everybody's Got Something to Hide and Don't Pass Me By. Incidentally, I like both of those songs better than just about anything on Pet Sounds. Joel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:38:38 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Smile By the way, how can I get Smile? I've never heard it but I'd really love to. See, I like Brian Wilson, just not Pet Sounds, so maybe I'd like Smile better. Joel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:36:33 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Elvis, Beatles, Beach Boys Michael R Godwin wrote: > The fact that Robyn Hitchcock > performed 'Mystery Train' regularly on the tour with Billy Bragg suggests > that he recognises this. And he played "Peggy Sue" at the Austin in-store a few weeks ago. And the fact that RH covered an Elvis song doesn't say anything except that he likes a song written by Sam Phillips and Herman Parker. Who deserves credit for the song? Philips and Parker. The only credit Elvis deserves is for doing a really good version of it. > The main reason I didn't like the Beatles in the early 60s was that their > rock'n'roll playing was so weedy (listen to 'Beatles for Sale' if you > don't believe me). Beatles For Sale was their biggest mistake. > And by the end of their career, they were > even making respectable rock'n'roll records like 'Get Back' and 'One after > 909' Both are great songs from a fantastic collection of tunes. I love the Let it Be collection. Now back to our previously scheduled program: The biggest difference between the Beatles and the Beach Boys is that the Beatles were a kick ass rock n roll band and the Beach Boys were backing vocalists for Brian Wilson's solo albums. I'm not a Beach Boys scholar, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think anyone but Brian Wilson did jack shit! Especially on Pet Sounds. Therefore, it seems to me that Brian Wilson was at a major disadvantage. The Beatles had three great songwriters, so they could pick the really good songs each of them wrote and then scrap the rest. On the hand, Brian Wilson was the only songwriter and so about half or more of the songs he released were mediocre songs that would've been scrapped had he had a couple of collaborators that were up to his level. What made the Beatles fantastic was the way they sounded together. They were all good songwriters and great musicians, George being one of the greatest guitarists of all-time, IMHO. They were a great band and personally, I like listening to guitars, which you don't get in abundance on Pet Sounds. And the Beach Boys *never* had the guitar of George Harrison. It's not Brian Wilson's fault that the Beatles were WAY better than the Beach Boys. He had no chance. The amount of talent that was in the Beatles is very rare. You just hardly ever see a band with that many members who are that talented. I do like Brian Wilson. I think when it came to melody, he bordered on genius. "In My Room" is just beautiful. And there are a great many others that he wrote that are fantastic. He just needed some better collaborators. Pet Sounds has some really good stuff. And it has more songs that just don't do it for me. So in conclusion, it seems to me that maybe comparing the Beatles to the Beach Boys is a tad bit unfair. Comparing Brian Wilson to Paul McCartney might make more sense. Joel n.p. Abbey Road. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:58:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: a really dumb Liz Phair question Someone has offered me a copy of Liz Phair's "Girlysound Demoz" as part of a trade. I'm ignorant, but surely someone out in Fegland is familiar with said item. Is it a commercial release, a bootleg, or what? Is it like her later stuff? Is it worth having? Thanks, - --Chris ps: Hey Woj -- sorry if I seemed unsociable at MABD. I could hardly hear a word you said! I think Jon was in the same boat. Maybe not the Quail, though; he's weird. ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:02:41 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: a really dumb Liz Phair question >Someone has offered me a copy of Liz Phair's "Girlysound Demoz" as part of >a trade. I'm ignorant, but surely someone out in Fegland is familiar with >said item. Is it a commercial release, a bootleg, or what? Is it like >her later stuff? Is it worth having? Thanks, I'm not exactly sure what's on it, but it's home demos she recorded prior to her debut album which she distributed by cassette. There are probably a lot of rough versions of the Exile in Guyville tracks, plus a few interesting (but weaker) rarities. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:58:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: a really dumb Liz Phair question Someone has offered me a copy of Liz Phair's "Girlysound Demoz" as part of a trade. I'm ignorant, but surely someone out in Fegland is familiar with said item. Is it a commercial release, a bootleg, or what? Is it like her later stuff? Is it worth having? Thanks, - --Chris ps: Hey Woj -- sorry if I seemed unsociable at MABD. I could hardly hear a word you said! I think Jon was in the same boat. Maybe not the Quail, though; he's weird. ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:09:43 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: Little originals with big covers/Rockin' Mel Slurp Eb writes: >Nick Lowe's "(What's So Funny About) Peace, Love & Understanding"? >Not sure, because I've never noticed/researched what Lowe album >contains this tune. And now you won't have to! That was originally released as a Brinsley Schwartz single in 1974, and a month later as the leadoff track of their "New Favorites" album; they broke up a year later, and since then the Nickster has released a couple of live versions as B-sides under his own name. And then, of course, he got a $1 million check for royalties on the song when it appeared on the soundtrack for "The Bodyguard" along with Whitney Houston's cover of "I Will Always Love You," proving that sometimes even the good guys can benefit from the sale of complete and utter schlock. Don't ask me how I know these things... John H. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:22:17 -0400 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: RE: a really dumb Liz Phair question The version I've got (CD of dubious origins) is rampant with tape hiss, but listenable. It's not at all like her latest work (CocoaSpaceOvum or whatever), but more like demos for Guyville. In retrospect, I like it quite a bit. The liner notes on the CD say that they were made when she was in school and that friends circulated the tapes so much that someone finally heard them and coaxed her to properly record. np: The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway. On the guys machine over the wall on the other side of my cube. Through headphones. Dang loud. > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Gross [mailto:chrisg@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 4:59 PM > To: Squidmaniax! > Subject: a really dumb Liz Phair question > > > > Someone has offered me a copy of Liz Phair's "Girlysound > Demoz" as part of > a trade. I'm ignorant, but surely someone out in Fegland is > familiar with > said item. Is it a commercial release, a bootleg, or what? > Is it like > her later stuff? Is it worth having? Thanks, > > > --Chris > > ps: Hey Woj -- sorry if I seemed unsociable at MABD. I could > hardly hear > a word you said! I think Jon was in the same boat. Maybe > not the Quail, > though; he's weird. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. > chrisg@gwu.edu > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:26:40 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: Smile Joel M. writes: >By the way, how can I get Smile? I've never heard it but I'd really >love to. See, I like Brian Wilson, just not Pet Sounds, so maybe I'd >like Smile better. I'd refer y'all to Dolph's message of earlier today, if you don't mind downloading the whole thing in the form of (mostly monophonic) MP3 files at: http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~annew/smile/index.htm They actually sound pretty decent, but if you can afford "Smiley Smile," which is only available as an import with songs from the "Wild Honey" sessions, the sound quality is noticeably better, and there are a lot more tracks on it. BUT I actually prefer the version from the above-referenced site - most importantly because it includes "Cabin Essence" and "Surf's Up," neither of which are on "Smiley Smile." Neither is "Child is Father of the Man," IIRC (I don't have my copy in front of me...) I also think the track sequencing is much more well-thought-out; the person who came up with it (Anne Wallace) is obviously a major Beach Boys expert. (I'm posting this to the list in case anybody else out there doesn't know about it - definitely worth the time it takes to download, IMO.) John H. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:32:44 -0400 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: Beach Beatles Beta I've got a nice 2-in-1 CD of Smiley Smile and Wild Honey with some nice out-takes which seems to be a 1990 Capitol release. The latter is a deeply odd and pretty mediocre album, the other is the BBs best, in my humble... For what it's worth, there is a track on Kimberley Rew's new as yet unreleased album called 'The Radio Played Good Vibrations'.... The Beta Band's Three Eps has got a lot of interesting stuff on it - though perhaps not enough to justify the hype, and the album is just plain bonkers. If it's a grower it may take years to reach an appreciable height. The vocalist has touches of Apollo C. Vermouth about him. New Madder Rose is a trifle dull, and it's high placing was one of the many things I found a bit stupid about Scar Face's listings. jmbc. Beach Blanket Bingo P.S. Off to Terrastock at the weekend. Simeon of the Silver Apples is playing a short solo set. I'm not expecting much - it's just great that he even make the trip. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:37:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Little originals with big covers/Rockin' Mel Slurp On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Eb wrote: > Dolly Parton's "I Will Always Love You." Now, I dismissed this for a couple of reasons. First, wasn't it from the musical The Best Little Whorehouse In Texas and hence Parton's version was a cover? I could be wrong about that part. But I'm not wrong when I say that Parton's version was a huge hit when it came out and therefore it doesn't count. As I understood the question (or as I would rather it were interpreted), we're looking for disposable album tracks that became big hits for other artists. It's an innerestin' ettical queschin. > Speaking of Elvis, perhaps "Blue Suede Shoes" might be relevant here? Or > "Hound Dog," or.... I think we'd all have to admit that Carl Perkins' hits were pretty big. Hole like a head, Je. - -- ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:49:45 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Smile In a message dated 8/25/99 2:30:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jh3@netins.net writes: << They actually sound pretty decent, but if you can afford "Smiley Smile," which is only available as an import with songs from the "Wild Honey" sessions, the sound quality is noticeably better, and there are a lot more tracks on it. BUT I actually prefer the version from the above-referenced site - most importantly because it includes "Cabin Essence" and "Surf's Up," neither of which are on "Smiley Smile." Neither is "Child is Father of the Man," IIRC (I don't have my copy in front of me...) I also think the track sequencing is much more well-thought-out; the person who came up with it (Anne Wallace) is obviously a major Beach Boys expert. (I'm posting this to the list in case anybody else out there doesn't know about it - definitely worth the time it takes to download, IMO.) >> And, really, "SMiLE" and "Smiley Smile" are different albums. If you download Anne Wallace's "SMiLE," you'll get what is probably a 90% completed wonderful album. If you buy "Smiley Smile," you'll get shoddy re-recordings of several of these same songs (plus a bunch of what I basically consider to be filler) that were done in a couple of weeks, and at the insistance of the rest of the Beach Boys, who weren't happy with what Brian and Van Dyke Parks had been working on. Also, Capitol was feeling very impatient, and the more parctical members of the Beach Boys (read: all of them except Brian) knew they had to whip something together. Of the re-recorded versions on "Smiley Smile," only "Vegetables" is of the same calibur as the "SMiLE" version (it may even be better). But "Wind Chimes" and "Wonderful" were completely ruined. Oh, "Good Vibrations" is maybe the exact same version (since it was a pre-album single to begin with), and "Heroes and Villains" is largely the same, except for a very cool part in the middle. It's worth the time invested in downloading. It's just one song at a time. You can set it up to download, leave the room, come back 15 minutes later, do the next song, etc. No biggie :-) - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:55:29 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Elvis, Beatles, Beach Boys In a message dated 8/25/99 1:53:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, skmull@swbell.net writes: << > The main reason I didn't like the Beatles in the early 60s was that their > rock'n'roll playing was so weedy (listen to 'Beatles for Sale' if you > don't believe me). Beatles For Sale was their biggest mistake. >> Aw, c'mon, it's hardly a mistake! "I'm a Loser," "Baby's in Black," "I'll Follow the Sun," and "Eight Days a Week" are all great Beatles originals, plus there are some good covers on there ("Honey Don't" and "Everybody's Trying to Be My Baby"). It's probably one of their worst albums, but I still like it a lot and think it's way better than a "mistake." Heck, it might even be better than "With the Beatles"! ;-) - -------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:02:26 -0400 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: Slimey miles That idiot Branscombe said that Smiley Smile was the Beach Boys best, what he meant to imply was the whole grin-related caboodle. The sensible brother (there is one in this family....) jmbc. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:03:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: White Album normal@grove.ufl.edu wrote: > On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Joel Mullins wrote: > > What about Pet Sounds? All I ever hear is how brilliant Pet > > Sounds is and then when I finally heard it, I couldn't figure > > out what all the fuss was about. Sure, the harmonies are > > great, but the songwriting is nowhere near as good as the > > White Album. > > Compare "Don't Talk" or "Caroline, No" to "Everybody's Got > Something To Hide" or "Don't Pass Me By", please. choosing ringo songs is cheating. especially the ones he wrote. except "good night." === "America's greatest natural resource, still, to this day, is the moron" --Martin Mull __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:15:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Loehr Subject: Ringo songs On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > > great, but the songwriting is nowhere near as good as the > > > White Album. > > > > Compare "Don't Talk" or "Caroline, No" to "Everybody's Got > > Something To Hide" or "Don't Pass Me By", please. > > choosing ringo songs is cheating. especially the ones he wrote. > except "good night." > === Just to be accurate (sorry, everybody hates it when I do this, but I can't help it), Good Night was written by Lennon. Accurate "Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans" Eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:32:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Ringo songs Eric Loehr wrote: > On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Jeff Dwarf wrote: >> choosing ringo songs is cheating. especially the ones he >> wrote. except "good night." > Just to be accurate (sorry, everybody hates it when I do this, > but I can't help it), Good Night was written by Lennon. which of course i know, but since my sentences we're malformed and unclear...i hate when i do that. i blame mike oquist. but "good night" is proof that, if nothing else, Julian Lennon could take solace in the fact that he inspired better songs from his father than sean did (even though sean got the better parenting). === "America's greatest natural resource, still, to this day, is the moron" --Martin Mull __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:35:26 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: Slimey miles hey, speaking of miles, slimey or otherwise -- the originals on miles davis' last coupla studio releases were generally credited to his keyboard player. i seem to remember davis being on record saying that he'd been writing (and recording) a bunch of his own compositions, but that they wouldn't see the light of day until he could negotiate a better publishing deal. any of you geniuses know anything about latter-day davis compositions? are they all on mp3 somewhere? are they any good? i saw the man with the horn on his last tour. i was younger and callower then, more easily impressed and less knowledgable about jazz. but i think he would've torn the roof off the fucker, if the fucker had had a roof. - -- d. p.s. we're playing the black cat*! i am >>so<< >>fucking<< >>psyched!!<< * = washington dc's premiere largish live indie rock venue. the turn-down notice they gave my old band was one of the most memorably snide things i've ever heard about my music, so this feels like some real vindication. - - "seventeen!" cried the humbug, always first with the wrong answer. - - oh no!! you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net dmw@mwmw.com - - get yr pathos:www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #326 *******************************