From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #304 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, August 12 1999 Volume 08 : Number 304 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: My other Cars a GBV. [ultraconformist@mail.weboffices.com] Re: Hep me, hep me brainstorm [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: My other Cars are GBV. [Bayard ] Jerry Falwell is my science teacher [Tom Clark ] let's hear it for posturing theaters! ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: Hep me, hep me brainstorm [Ken Ostrander ] Re: Baader Meinhof ? [lj lindhurst ] Re: Baader Meinhof ? [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Ladies and Gentlemen, KANSAS! [Capuchin ] Re: Baader Meinhof ? [Capuchin ] Re: Hep me, hep me brainstorm [Terrence M Marks ] Spice Girls are doin' it for themselves ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: Protest Songs ["D B" ] nit pick, perl too, nit pick... [DDerosa5@aol.com] Re: nit pick, perl too, nit pick... [Capuchin ] Re: verb ["JH3" ] Re: My other Cars are GBV. [Knaurr ] Re: Spice Girls are doin' it for themselves [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: let's hear it for posturing theaters! [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:47:59 -0600 From: ultraconformist@mail.weboffices.com Subject: Re: My other Cars a GBV. >Kansas has allowed the teaching of Creation in schools. Not the same >thing. Outlawing the teaching of evolution probably can't effectively >happen since the Scopes trial. From the Chicago Tribune, today's: "The Kansas Board of Education voted Wednesday to remove overt references to the theory of evolution from the state's science curriculum." (snip) Um, that sounds more like the latter than the former. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:56:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Hep me, hep me brainstorm HSatterfld@aol.com wrote: > >Give me some ideas: What are the greatest protest songs of > all time? They > >do NOT have to be from the rock 'n' roll era. Email or post, > I don't care > >which. > > "Ain't Gonna Piss In No Jar" by Mojo Nixon if we must mojo: "Let's go Burn ole Nashville Down" === "America's greatest natural resource, still, to this day, is the moron" --Martin Mull _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:58:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: My other Cars are GBV. On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Capuchin wrote: > > > > voices album produced by ric ocasek" one of those things you never thought > > > > you'd hear?) > There is no verb there. OK... you had the mean English teacher. But what part of speach is "produced" here, then? An incorrectly used verb, right? Oh well... > > not to revive the whole religion thing, but I hear Kansas has outlawed the > > teaching of evolution in school. Hmmmmm... > > No no no. That's not how I understand it. > > Kansas has allowed the teaching of Creation in schools. Not the same > thing. Outlawing the teaching of evolution probably can't effectively > happen since the Scopes trial. Well, they haven't made it illegal, but they have removed evolution from their science curricula. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990812/00/news-science-evolution The Scoped verdict got reversed on a technicality. > By the way, evolution got only the most cursory coverage in first year > biology at my high school. Totally fundamentalist instructor. However, > he was not allowed to discuss Creation. I still don't think they're allowed to teach creationism in KS. LEt me know if you know otherwise. > Talk to me about this offlist. you got it. and i agree with you about the ending, after giving it some more thought and talking with some people i saw the film with. Sorry, with whom I saw the film. Bad grammar is something with which I will not put. =b ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:58:42 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Jerry Falwell is my science teacher The story: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/19990811/ts/science_evolution_2.html My wife has relatives in Kansas (notice how I distance myself from that one!). Based on the mental giants I encountered there, I wouldn't be surprised if they also added a "black people aren't really human" clause to the curriculum. - -t "it's not easy being snobby" c ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:39:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: let's hear it for posturing theaters! > From: Eb > Shoegazing is mostly the early '90s, baby. And I still > like Ride, Lush and > My Bloody Valentine (not to mention the current > standard-bearer, > Spiritualized). Spiritualized are shoegazers? I think that's a stretch, but it's an interesting idea. Their vocals are too comprehensible, their instrumentation too crisp, their style too eclectic to be called shoegazing, to my mind. Classic shoegazer is really monotonous and homogeneous, and Spiritualized isn't, really. I tend to prefer classic shoegazer to Spiritualized, but only because I don't think the latter's melodies and lyrics live up to the promise of the rest of the music (I love "I Think I'm In Love" and "Cop Shoot Cop," though). No, for modern shoegazers I have to point again to the Autumns, who, again, are fucking fantastic. > I don't really get "sick" of music, if I like it. What I > have *never* liked > is the posturing, calculatedly theatric, overwrought, > post-Bowie school in > the UK, stretching through Siouxsie, Bauhaus, Duran > Duran, the Smiths, the > Cure, etc etc etc and currently upheld by groups like the > Manic Street > Preachers, the Verve, the London Suede and Mansun. I knew we'd disagree again eventually if I read you long enough. For one thing, it's intensely bizarre to see Bauhaus, Duran Duran, and the Smiths lumped together as like-minded bands, when in reality they were just contemporary. Their approaches couldn't have been much more disparate, if you really look. I spent most of my formative years in the 80s and so it's no wonder that I'm appreciative of rock stars who aim for that post-Bowie larger-than-life image. I've always liked Siouxsie and I adore the Smiths and the Cure. Bauhaus I can enjoy despite many misgivings, and Duran Duran have never been more than empty fun, but their faults weren't in their approach (again, IMO) so much as their integrity. Maybe that's what you're criticizing when you call them "posturing" and "calculatedly-theatrical" (a lame critical buzzword I've seen too often; if it isn't calculated, it's not "theatrical"!). Bowie's notion that musicians didn't have to be Authentic and True-Grit in order to put on a good, enjoyable show -- performance could be fiction -- is to my mind a Very Good Thing (that has nevertheless been abused of late by outfits like Insane Clown Posse). I think it's that attitude that bugs you, and while I can understand that, I don't feel the same way at all. For the record, while I really love Suede (Classic Suede, of course, when Bernard was still around; New Suede is still drinkable but it doesn't taste the same, and the lyrics have gone from ignorable to horrendous), I can't stand the Manics, Mansun, or the Verve, and I can't figure out what their U2-derived music owes to a goth-punk like Siouxsie. > It all > rings very, very > hollow to me...I'm very sensitive to mannered vocals and > the stench of > post-goth production. Well, Siouxsie, the Cure, and Bauhaus *were* goth, basically created it along with Joy Division and a bunch of lesser-known ex-punk types, and their production could therefore not have been "post-goth". And somehow I'm to believe that it's similar to Duran Duran's slick commercial dance-funk-crap production, or the kind you hear on Smiths records? Granted, you hate these records, so maybe you haven't listened very closely, but they sound pretty different to me. > And unfortunately for me, Robyn has > used a milder > form of the latter extensively. After your description of it, I know only that it was a form of production that was apparently ubiquitous throughout the 80s. I must not have an ear for what you're talking about. That, or you just thought the early 80s (more commonly known as "post-punk" or "New Wave," for the most part) were crap. Which is a reasonable enough opinion that I don't happen to share, but you needn't be so vague about it. At the moment, I'm trying to figure out what's to like about Neutral Milk Hotel (and possibly I have mortally offended at least one Feg by even raising the question), so clearly there are many opinions we don't share. BTW: I've been only half-reading the protest song suggestions, but one might argue that Sinead O'Connor albums -- particularly Universal Mother -- are packed with them. See "Fire on Babylon," "Red Football," and "Black Boys on Mopeds." > From: Capuchin > Kansas has allowed the teaching of Creation in schools. > Not the same > thing. Outlawing the teaching of evolution probably > can't effectively > happen since the Scopes trial. Many news reports seem to have it wrong. They suggest that teaching of evolution will be *replaced* by teaching of creation. Your take is much more optimistic, so I hope you're right. Drew === Andrew D. Simchik, schnopia@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:44:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Baader Meinhof ? On Thu, 12 Aug 1999 Mark_Gloster@3com.com wrote: > Capuchin monkeyed with the following: > >On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, lj lindhurst wrote: > >> hey, we finally saw "Eyes Wide Shut" last night. My question is, how > >> were those people having oral sex through those MASKS??? > >LJ, this proves some of my suspicions once and for all. I think we're > >alot alike in this way. > Be afraid, LJ. Hey now! I just meant that we were thinking the same thing. Not... well, hell. I give up. But man, that Picasso mask was fantastic! J. - -- ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:52:02 -0400 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: Re: Hep me, hep me brainstorm >Give me some ideas: What are the greatest protest songs of all time? They >do NOT have to be from the rock 'n' roll era. Email or post, I don't care >which. for what it's worth - buffalo springfield revolution - beatles this land is your land / pretty boy floyd - woody guthrie born in the u.s.a./ ghost of tom joad - bruce springsteen chimes of freedom - bob dylan the world turned upside down - billy bragg / chumbawumba empire of the senseless - mekons straight to hell - clash bring the noise - public enemy ignoreland - r.e.m. oliver's army - elvis costello i don't want to be a soldier - john lennon livin' for the city - stevie wonder god save the queen - sex pistols killing in the name of - rage against the machine holiday in cambodia / california uber alles - dead kennedys i shot the sheriff / stir it up - bob marley or just about anything from FREEDOM ROCK! ken "turn it up man!" the kenster ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:07:20 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: Baader Meinhof ? me/Capuchin/Mark: >> >> hey, we finally saw "Eyes Wide Shut" last night. My question is, how >> >> were those people having oral sex through those MASKS??? >> >LJ, this proves some of my suspicions once and for all. I think we're >> >alot alike in this way. >> Be afraid, LJ. To make matters worse, I proclaimed it "Capuchin Sushi Wednesday" and we had sushi before we went! (the squid was particularly good!) ******************************** LJ Lindhurst White Rabbit Graphic Design http://www.w-rabbit.com NYC ljl@w-rabbit.com ******************************** "My dreams all involve combing my hair." --Principal Skinner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:31:40 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: Baader Meinhof ? >me/Capuchin/Mark: >>> >> hey, we finally saw "Eyes Wide Shut" last night. My question is, how >>> >> were those people having oral sex through those MASKS??? >>> >LJ, this proves some of my suspicions once and for all. I think we're >>> >alot alike in this way. >>> Be afraid, LJ. >To make matters worse, I proclaimed it "Capuchin Sushi Wednesday" and >we had sushi before we went! (the squid was particularly good!) At the risk of causing an epidemic of bulemia: 1) What does Capuchin Sushi taste like? 2) Were you wearing the official Capuchin Sushi Underpants to maximize the experience? 3) Did you get extra tentacles? 4) Do I really want to hear the answers? Allayerbiggest fan, - -Markg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:33:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Ladies and Gentlemen, KANSAS! Skipping all that cruft about The Smiths, The Cure, and Siouxsie being completely different... 'cause they're all in the same mode. (But I LIKE The Smiths, don't mind Siouxsie, and tolerate The Cure.) On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > At the moment, I'm trying to figure out what's to like about Neutral > Milk Hotel (and possibly I have mortally offended at least one Feg by > even raising the question), so clearly there are many opinions we > don't share. That kind of boggles my mind. Literally everyone who can enjoy guitar based pop that I've introduced to NMH has loved them. All it takes is playing the first two tracks of In The Aeroplane Over The Sea and staring at them for a reaction. > > From: Capuchin > > Kansas has allowed the teaching of Creation in schools. Not the same > > thing. Outlawing the teaching of evolution probably can't effectively > > happen since the Scopes trial. > Many news reports seem to have it wrong. They suggest > that teaching of evolution will be *replaced* by teaching > of creation. Your take is much more optimistic, so I > hope you're right. OK... according to the overheard CNN on the big TV at the pho place, Kansas has decided that Creation theories may be taught and evolution is no longer required. So in one sense, it's more liberal. But that doesn't mean it's not backward and destructive. J. - -- ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:35:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Baader Meinhof ? On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, lj lindhurst wrote: > To make matters worse, I proclaimed it "Capuchin Sushi Wednesday" and > we had sushi before we went! (the squid was particularly good!) Boys and girls and squid! Sushi Wednesday is sweeping the nation! The world is fast becoming the better place we all imagined in our childhood dreams. J. - -- ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:37:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: Hep me, hep me brainstorm On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Ariel Green wrote: > I'm a little surprised that no one has mentioned "Last Train to > Clarksville", by The Monkees... Isn't it a sortof anti-war song about a guy > going off to war? That or the trivia man on the radio is horribly horribly > wrong. *g* Yep. Clarksville was the last stop before you got shipped to Vietnam. I think it's a bit too poppy and indirect to be a real protest song, though. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://grove.ufl.edu/~normal normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:38:57 -0400 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Spice Girls are doin' it for themselves >From: ultraconformist@mail.weboffices.com >And the funniest one- something about "you anti-Oasis people probably sit >and listen to Blur and pull your podwhacker". I'm sorry, I nearly fell off >my chair. What on earth is -that- about? I'd pull my podwhacker over 3/4 of Blur any day. >From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" >Sisters Are Doing It For Themselves, which I think is a storming track by >two very different female vocalists melded in political and aesthetic >superbity. Mel C and Mel B? >From: "JH3" >Souixsie & the Banshees did a similar all-covers LP a long, long >time ago... It was interesting to hear their "take" on some of their >favorite tunes, but it didn't stay on the ol' turntable very long. THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS. That one's really grown on me. They're not remarkable covers, but they go down really smooth. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, wyrd@rochester.rr.com http://home.rochester.rr.com/wyrd/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:48:31 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: Baader Meinhof ? >On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, lj lindhurst wrote: >> To make matters worse, I proclaimed it "Capuchin Sushi Wednesday" and >> we had sushi before we went! (the squid was particularly good!) > >Boys and girls and squid! > >Sushi Wednesday is sweeping the nation! > >The world is fast becoming the better place we all imagined in our >childhood dreams. I agree! Sushi for one and all! Even the fine backwards-assed folks in Kansas! You're right, it's exatly like we all dreamed of when we were children. AH, yes, I remember my rustic childhood in Missouri, dreaming of the day when I could run away from that small town and order California rolls whenever I wanted! And my folks thought that Red Lobster would satisfy these dreams... did they really think that 2 pounds of fried popcorn shrimp would suffice when I knew there was a whole WORLD of squid and octopus and fatty tuna waiting for me out there??? I am kind of thinking of going and having some more right now, only TGQ is gone*, and I would have to be one of those Lonely Women Eating Raw Fish at the Sushi bar. (cappy, I NEED you, bud!) *heh, like TGQ would tolerate going to the sushi place two nights in a row! anyway..think I'll have a beer. It's Beer Thursday Night. Everyone join me! a toast! I proclaim a toast! To toast! lj +++ +++++ ++ +++ ++++++++ +++++ ++ LJ Lindhurst White Rabbit Graphic Design NYC ljl@w-rabbit.com http://www.w-rabbit.com ++ +++ +++ ++ +++ ++++++ + + + + + + "Let's start a fire Let's have a riot! Yeah it's awful" --Courtney Love ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:47:13 PDT From: "D B" Subject: Re: Protest Songs Jackson Browne Lives in the Balance Before the Deluge et. many al Bruce Cockburn If I had a Rocket Launcher et. many al David Baerwald Got No Shotgun Hydra-head Octopus Blues ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:00:25 EDT From: DDerosa5@aol.com Subject: nit pick, perl too, nit pick... Jeme calculated: I mean, it could have read "Rick Ocasek produced this Guided By Voices album." Granted it is two characters longer. uh, did anyone else point out that that sentence is in fact three characters longer? You could instead make it say, Ric Ocasek produced an album, guided by voices. Then it's only one comma longer. Though it lost much of its meaning. If you think it had any to begin with. dave np, not: weezer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:08:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: nit pick, perl too, nit pick... On Thu, 12 Aug 1999 DDerosa5@aol.com wrote: > Jeme calculated: > I mean, it could have read "Rick Ocasek produced this Guided By Voices > album." Granted it is two characters longer. > uh, did anyone else point out that that sentence is in fact three characters > longer? If you count the period, yep. That's three. But I just assumed that the other would have had a period. Silly mea culpa. > You could instead make it say, Ric Ocasek produced an album, guided by > voices. Then it's only one comma longer. Though it lost much of its meaning. > If you think it had any to begin with. But that's one comma AND one period longer. Now where's the perl? J. - -- ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:14:34 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: verb Eb wrote: >Shoegazing is mostly the early '90s, baby. Whatever! (And how did you know I was a baby? I thought my writing style was sufficiently more sophisticated than that of the average 18-month-old tyke to have just about everyone fooled.) >And I still like Ride, Lush and My Bloody Valentine (not to >mention the current standard-bearer, Spiritualized). That indicates that you don't mind heavy use of reverb (or as we Chameleons fans like to say, "atmospherics") by some bands. But you *do* mind when it's used on Robyn Hitchcock albums. Is it just because you envision Robyn as more of a direct, intimate, personal type of performer/songwriter? (Rather than the lofty, cinematic, aloof type, that is?) Obviously I don't mind the idea of Robyn as a lofty, cinematic, aloof type, but that would be true of almost anybody. >It all rings very, very hollow to me... Isn't the whole point of reverb to give music that hollow, ringing sound? (Okay, so I took that out of context.) >I'm very sensitive to mannered vocals and the stench >of post-goth production. But if you like Ride/Lush/MBV, then presumably you would at least agree that the mannered vocals are the worse of the two sins, correct? In which case I would agree wholeheartedly, though I clearly have a much higher tolerance for both. I guess that basically I'm just trying to get you to admit that you have a preconceived notion of how Robyn should sound, and that it isn't the reverb in and of itself that you are/were unhappy about. Kind of a silly thing to argue about, I suppose. Still, it beats work. Drew writes: >Well, Siouxsie, the Cure, and Bauhaus *were* goth, >basically created it along with Joy Division and a bunch >of lesser-known ex-punk types, and their production >could therefore not have been "post-goth". That's kind of what I thought myself. And I also thought that "post-goth" and "shoegazing" were pretty much the same thing, but I gave up on trying to keep track of sub-genre classifications a long time ago. (I think it was last week, to be specific...) >At the moment, I'm trying to figure out what's to like about Neutral >Milk Hotel ... so clearly there are many opinions we don't share. When you give up trying to figure it out, e-mail me privately, there's something you have to see! (Btw, my copy of the "The Angel Pool" shipped yesterday!) And finally, Capuchin sent this in: >That kind of boggles my mind. Literally everyone who can >enjoy guitar based pop that I've introduced to NMH has loved >them. Then either I should sell off 90% of my record collection because I can't enjoy it, or I should have gotten *you* to introduce me to NMH... Dammit, where were you when I *needed* you, Jeme? (And don't give me any of that "I was in Portland, Oregon" crap!) >The world is fast becoming the better place we all imagined >in our childhood dreams. You mean I'll soon be able to simply press a button and instantly vaporize all who oppose me? KOOL! John "technically, 'voices' is a verb" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:25:38 -0500 From: Knaurr Subject: Re: My other Cars are GBV. >> > > > voices album produced by ric ocasek" one of those things you never thought >> > > > you'd hear?) >> Naw, I've heard plenty of sentences without verbs before. Bayard:>>that isn't one of them, though. Capuchin:>> There is no verb there. > >OK... you had the mean English teacher. But what part of speach is >"produced" here, then? An incorrectly used verb, right? Oh well... > First of all, I don't know what part of SPEACH it is, but in this instance it is not incorrectly used because it is in a descriptive phrase. However, Bayard, you are right in saying that it isn't a sentence without a verb. It is not a sentence. As someone else pointed out, it's a fragment. Or as I pointed out, a descriptive phrase. *puts on brown oxfords, half-glasses, and pulls hair into a bun* Don't make me pull out Strunk & White to settle this for you, boys. Rebecca Knaur http://www.bonni.net/becca that makes her email address becca@bonni.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:40:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Spice Girls are doin' it for themselves "Andrew D. Simchik" wrote: >From: ultraconformist@mail.weboffices.com >>Sisters Are Doing It For Themselves, which I think is a >>storming track by two very different female vocalists melded >>in political and aesthetic superbity. > Mel C and Mel B? Annie Lennox and Aretha Franklin. at least on the original version. >From: "JH3" >>Siouxsie & the Banshees did a similar all-covers LP a long, >>long time ago... It was interesting to hear their "take" on >>some of their favorite tunes, but it didn't stay on the ol' >>turntable very long. > THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS. That one's really grown on me. > They're not remarkable covers, but they go down really smooth. though "Hall of Mirrors" is a pretty radical reworking; easily the best thing on the album. on the other hand, white women from Bromley should definitely NOT try to do Billie Holiday songs about lynchings ("Strange Fruit"), even if they are Sioux. but it's a nice little album, if also somewhat inconsequential in the long run. their demolition of "Helter Skelter" is still by far the my favorite Beatles cover ever (though it's on _The Scream_). === "America's greatest natural resource, still, to this day, is the moron" --Martin Mull _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:58:35 -0400 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: Spice Girls are doin' it for themselves At 4:40 PM -0700 8/12/99, Jeff Dwarf wrote: >"Andrew D. Simchik" wrote: >>From: ultraconformist@mail.weboffices.com >>>Sisters Are Doing It For Themselves, which I think is a >>>storming track by two very different female vocalists melded >>>in political and aesthetic superbity. > >> Mel C and Mel B? > >Annie Lennox and Aretha Franklin. at least on the original >version. You mean the Spice Girls didn't write that?????? Next you'll be telling me they didn't write "We Are Family," either! [moi:] >> THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS. That one's really grown on me. >> They're not remarkable covers, but they go down really smooth. > >though "Hall of Mirrors" is a pretty radical reworking; easily >the best thing on the album. It's pretty special, yeah. Though I like a lot of the others immensely, too, mainly because the original songs were so good. "This Town...," for instance, became one of my favorite songs thanks to Siouxsie (I'd never heard Sparks before). "Gun" works for me for some reason, and I dig their "Passenger." Oh, hell, I love the whole thing...except: > on the other hand, white women from >Bromley should definitely NOT try to do Billie Holiday songs >about lynchings ("Strange Fruit"), even if they are Sioux. ...yeah, I'll buy that. >but >it's a nice little album, if also somewhat inconsequential in >the long run. their demolition of "Helter Skelter" is still by >far the my favorite Beatles cover ever (though it's on _The >Scream_). I've only ever heard their live version. I don't have _The Scream_ yet. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, wyrd@rochester.rr.com http://home.rochester.rr.com/wyrd/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:15:22 -0800 From: Eb Subject: re: verb JH3: >>And I still like Ride, Lush and My Bloody Valentine (not to >>mention the current standard-bearer, Spiritualized). > >That indicates that you don't mind heavy use of reverb (or >as we Chameleons fans like to say, "atmospherics") by some >bands. But you *do* mind when it's used on Robyn Hitchcock >albums. Is it just because you envision Robyn as more of a >direct, intimate, personal type of performer/songwriter? Right, pretty much. If an artist is about songwriting and not sonic atmosphere, then the production should stress the songwriting. But if it's a band like Ride or My Bloody Valentine where the songwriting is barely there and it's all about texture, then by all means, turn up the effects. And yes, I don't give a damn about the Chameleons either. ;) >But if you like Ride/Lush/MBV, then presumably you would >at least agree that the mannered vocals are the worse of the >two sins, correct? I'll go along with that. I do like Bowie and Ferry a lot, but am turned off by the vast majority of their descendents. Eb np: Benny Goodman (shit, how did THAT get on there?) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:27:23 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: let's hear it for posturing theaters! Andrew: >Spiritualized are shoegazers? Their vocals are too >comprehensible, their instrumentation too crisp, their >style too eclectic to be called shoegazing, to my mind. Boy, we must be hearing two different bands, then. And...uh...obviously Spacemen 3 was a big influence on the shoegaze movement, if not a direct participant in it. >Classic shoegazer is really monotonous and homogeneous, >and Spiritualized isn't, really. I disagree with that sentence in about three different ways. >I knew we'd disagree again eventually if I read you long >enough. For one thing, it's intensely bizarre to see >Bauhaus, Duran Duran, and the Smiths lumped together >as like-minded bands, when in reality they were just >contemporary. Their approaches couldn't have been much >more disparate, if you really look. Ehhh. There's a thread. >I spent most of my formative years in the 80s and so it's >no wonder that I'm appreciative of rock stars who aim for >that post-Bowie larger-than-life image. I was "formative" during the '80s too, and I'm NOT generally keen on "larger-than-life images." So clearly, there's no direct cause and effect. Your other comments didn't really warrant a response. Cheers, Viv ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #304 *******************************