From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #302 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, August 12 1999 Volume 08 : Number 302 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Hep me, hep me brainstorm [ultraconformist@mail.weboffices.com] Re: JfS Review in CMJ [Tom Clark ] thanks for the setlists/reviews! [Bayard ] Re: Hep me, hep me brainstorm [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Speaking of Spleen [ultraconformist@mail.weboffices.com] Re: Hep me, hep me brainstorm [Michael R Godwin ] Protest songs? We don't need no stinkin'. . . . [The Great Quail ] re: protest [Eb ] PS [Eb ] going to cat's cradle show? [Thomas Rodebaugh ] Re: Hep me, hep me brainstorm ["Capitalism Blows" ] Re: Hep me, hep me brainstorm [Eb ] Re: PS ["Capitalism Blows" ] My other Cars a GBV. [Capuchin ] fegminism ["jbranscombe@compuserve.com" ] Re: Great Robyn Hitchcock Pix [dmw ] Eb to earth [Eb ] Fwd: A joke for you [The Great Quail ] Re: Hep me, hep me brainstorm [normal@grove.ufl.edu] re: protest [dmw ] Re: Pete 'n' Python ["Richard Zeszotarski" ] Re: Hep me, hep me brainstorm [fred is ted ] re: protest [ultraconformist@mail.weboffices.com] Re: comedy, censorship, tiny frogs, Airscape [digja611@student.otago.ac.n] protest [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Re:loooong tracks ["Russ Reynolds" ] moby! [Eleanore Adams ] Re: Hep me, hep me brainstorm ["Russ Reynolds" ] Re: verb ["JH3" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:54:57 -0600 From: ultraconformist@mail.weboffices.com Subject: Re: Hep me, hep me brainstorm >Give me some ideas: What are the greatest protest songs of all time? They >do NOT have to be from the rock 'n' roll era. Email or post, I don't care >which. Off the top of my head: "And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda"- Ewan McColl, also Pogues "Masters of War"- BOB "War"- Edwin Starr "Ball of Confusion"- Temptations (also Love and Rockets updated version) "Motor City Is Burning"- John Lee Hooker "Fixin' To Die Rag"- Country Joe & The Fish "Fortunate Son"- Creedence "Message From A Black Man"- Temptations "Guns of Brixton", "Spanish Bombs", lots more by the Clash "Inner City Blues", "What's Going On", some more by Marvin Gaye "Stand"- Sly and the Family Stone "People Get Ready"- The Impressions "A Change Is Gonna Come"- Sam Cooke (there's another more famous version of this which I can't seem to pull out of my brain at the moment) "Strange Fruit"- Billie Holiday "Nelson Mandela"- The Special AKA "Cherokee Nation"- Paul Revere & The Raiders Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:00:06 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: JfS Review in CMJ On 8/10/99 7:32 PM, Scott Hunter McCleary wrote: >"Sally Was A Legend" delivers >chiming pop reminiscent of "Black Snake Diamond Role [sic]," Why is this sic'd? Because they forgot the umlaut? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:15:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: thanks for the setlists/reviews! i *think* i've gotten all the corrections and new info in the database... if you've made a contribution or correction recently, please go to http://travel.to/glasshotel and click on 'the asking tree' and look up the show on which you reported. and if you have anything else that should go in, let me know! big thanks to hal, gene, miz pinwheel, etc etc for the wonderful posts... =b ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:17:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Hep me, hep me brainstorm ultraconformist@mail.weboffices.com wrote: > "Ball of Confusion"- Temptations (also Love and Rockets > updated version) not to mention Duran Duran's version.... others "The Message" Grandmaster Flash & Furious Five "White Lines" Grandmaster Melle Mel (also ruined by Duran duran) "Pills & Soap" "Shipbuilding" Elvis beds are burning-midnight oil dear god, books are burning-xtc i continue to blame jimmy haynes === "America's greatest natural resource, still, to this day, is the moron" --Martin Mull _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:18:51 -0600 From: ultraconformist@mail.weboffices.com Subject: Re: Speaking of Spleen >Those of you who do NOT wish your firstborn to be fathered by Liam or Noel >may find this amusing. Maybe I have a juvenile streak, but I thought the "Soap" was really funny. "Wanker" "Asshole" "Wussy!". >The guestbook is like spleen central. If you love a good bar argument as >much as me (and you know who you are), this is about as close as you can >get. OK, a few observations: Apparently the biggest insult on both sides (though much more on the pro-Oasis side, it should be noted, but it's both), is homosexuality. I mean, I'm used to seeing the semi-literate act out on the net and I was still surprised at the sheer volume of homophobic invective. Also- "Of course you must be gay, since you're from Chicago". Huh? Go try that one down at the very blue-collar Polish bar I used to live next door to, if you're feeling lucky. And the funniest one- something about "you anti-Oasis people probably sit and listen to Blur and pull your podwhacker". I'm sorry, I nearly fell off my chair. What on earth is -that- about? Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:20:21 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Hep me, hep me brainstorm On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Eb wrote: > Give me some ideas: What are the greatest protest songs of all time? They > do NOT have to be from the rock 'n' roll era. Email or post, I don't care > which. > > Tanx, > Ebbsy We shall overcome (Pete Seeger) Blowin' in the wind (Bob Dylan) Bourgeois blues (Leadbelly?) Feelin' like I'm fixing to die rag (Country Joe) Summertime Blues (Eddie Cochran) Marlene Dietrich version of 'Where have all the flowers gone?' The war drags on (Donovan) Draft board morning (Byrds) Eve of destruction That John Prine thing, "There's a hole in daddy's arm where all the money goes" Ruby don't take your love to town ("It wasn't me that started this crazy Asian war") - presumably there is a pre-Kenny Rogers version What have they done to the rain? (I know this by the Seekers, but it's obviously not the original version) Masters of war (Bob Dylan) Universal soldier (Buffy Sainte Marie) There is an overtly anti-war version of 'When Johhny comes marching home again' by somebody or other. I'm sure there is a stack of Woody Guthrie material, but I'm not familiar with his songs. And there must be a mass of folk and blues material about the mean old boss, the lascivious young master etc etc. Obviously there is a problem over the definition of protest songs. I wouldn't include those 'Anarchy in the UK' type punk numbers but I can understand why other people might disagree. I think that the auteur concept might be the reason: protest songs are songs which are intended to be passed along and sung by different people. Sex Pistols records exist almost entirely as Sex Pistols records (same as Phil Spector records). On the whole, I can't imagine a protest march joining in a chorus of 'God save the Queen, we mean it man'. The same goes for the Mothers' 'Trouble comin' every day' about the Watts riots, and David Bowie's 'Panic in Detroit'. On the other hand, some of those Bob Marley songs like 'Get up stand up' and 'Small axe' have something of the right quality. - - Mike G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:23:40 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Protest songs? We don't need no stinkin'. . . . >>Give me some ideas: What are the greatest protest songs of all time? They >>do NOT have to be from the rock 'n' roll era. Email or post, I don't care >>which I can't BELIEVE this???!?!?!?!!!!!!! <--LJ-brand punctuation) You are all forgetting the BEST protest song ever! "Man in Black" by Johnny Cash - --Quail PS: Although the Dead get labelled as a hippy band a lot (well, duh) they really don't have many "protest" songs at all. The only one I can really think of is "Throwing Stones," which is pretty good. +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society, Kibroth-hattaavah Branch) For fun with postmodern literature, New York vampires, and Fegmania, visit Sarnath: http://www.rpg.net/quail "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:30:32 -0600 From: ultraconformist@mail.weboffices.com Subject: Re: Hep me, hep me brainstorm >That John Prine thing, "There's a hole in daddy's arm where all the money >goes" "Sam Sloane" Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:48:45 -0600 From: ultraconformist@mail.weboffices.com Subject: Re: Hep me, hep me brainstorm >>That John Prine thing, "There's a hole in daddy's arm where all the money >>goes" > >"Sam Sloane" Oof. I just looked at the CD and it's Sam -Stone-. While I was looking at my country CDs, I noticed another goodie: Kinky Friedman- "They Ain't Makin' Jews Like Jesus Anymore". I'm not sure if this counts as a "protest song", technically, but it's political and damn funny. Also "Take This Job and Shove It" (Johnny Paycheck, but David Allan Coe's has more fire in it, IMO). Love on ya, Susan OK, I'm gonna do some work now, really ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:45:06 PDT From: "D B" Subject: Re: Hep me, hep me brainstorm rockin' in the free world and, of course, cloudbusting "I think quotes are very dangerous things" - Kate Bush ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:45:44 -0800 From: Eb Subject: re: protest Some good suggestions, thanks! Many had already occurred to me, but others hadn't. Keep 'em coming. :) Perhaps I'd like to add a little underscore to the Clash...what are the best examples from that band? I have the early records, but to be frank, I just haven't listened to them much. (What, no one suggested "I Am Woman"? ;)) Eb, wishing he had more intimate knowledge of Woody Guthrie's oeuvre ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:02:29 -0800 From: Eb Subject: PS Please don't CC your posts to my address...there's really no point in sending me two copies. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:21:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Rodebaugh Subject: going to cat's cradle show? i know this may be a bit short-notice, and i confess i haven't been reading even the digest of late, but is anyone besides me going to the mabd show at the cat's cradle? anyone want to arrange a special feg-sign? or anything? if anyone has access to tickets (the local record store is sold out), my wife surprised me by saying she would like to come. so i'd buy one off of any seller. . . (i know, long shot). np: gbv "do the collapse" (is it just me, or is the sentence "guided by voices album produced by ric ocasek" one of those things you never thought you'd hear?) tom FREE music: http://www.mp3.com/tlr3 or FREE instrumentals: http://www.mp3.com/automaton ************************************************************************ *++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++--------- data collection at 4/5s!* ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:15:05 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: Hep me, hep me brainstorm this is the second mention i've seen of it, and i've gotta say, this song really bugs the shit out of me (though neil young's version is pretty monumental). what in fuck is "the answer is blowin' in the wind" supposed to mean? it's just hippie bullshit, if you ask me. "the answer's blowin' in the wind, man, so let's just go get stoned again." instead of organising. instead of protesting. fuck that. try SACCO AND VANZETTI for starters. great album! and of course, i have to mention Sacrifice, by robbie robertson. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:20:24 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Hep me, hep me brainstorm > > >this is the second mention i've seen of it, and i've gotta say, this song >really bugs the shit out of me (though neil young's version is pretty >monumental). what in fuck is "the answer is blowin' in the wind" supposed >to mean? it's just hippie bullshit, if you ask me. I think it's a classic, classic song. On the other hand, I'm not sure I'd call it a "protest song." Seems more like just "gently philosophical." Eb np: "Working Class Hero," "Biko" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:34:14 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: PS hello? earth to eb! earth to eb! given that you are subscribed to the "digest" form of the fegmaniax computer network (and don't you even fucking DREAM of denying it, bastid), i think it makes a whole hell of a lot of sense. this way, you can move all replies to your "protest songs" folder, and don't have to worry about wading laboriously through the digest, and "cutting" and "pasting" relevant phrases. KEN "Please Kenster, don't hurt 'em" THE KENSTER _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:43:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: My other Cars a GBV. On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Thomas Rodebaugh wrote: > np: gbv "do the collapse" (is it just me, or is the sentence "guided by > voices album produced by ric ocasek" one of those things you never thought > you'd hear?) Naw, I've heard plenty of sentences without verbs before. J. - -- ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:53:58 -0400 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: fegminism Woman Is The Nigger Of The World and Sisters Are Doing It For Themselves, which I think is a storming track by two very different female vocalists melded in political and aesthetic superbity. jmbc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:10:14 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: Great Robyn Hitchcock Pix On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, JH3 wrote: > Admittedly I saw them a long time ago (1986, I think) at a very small > venue (9:30 Club), so I probably made an unfair generalization merely > to support a flimsy gag. hey, i was there! a buddy of mine opened the (underwhelming, i thought) show; kilbey was one of his idols, and he was not favorably impressed. called kilbey the most depressed person he'd ever met, if i recall correctly. in a strange twist of fate, i'm now talking with said buddy about co-gigging with his new band. and the woman i was seeing at the time dumped me when we got home... - -- d. spam dept: friday the 13th, 233 e 2nd st - tavern on the hill with number nine line. the thing to do after you can't get into the "music against brain registration" show, or even after you leave it. n.p. new aimee mann e.p. whee! - - "seventeen!" cried the humbug, always first with the wrong answer. - - oh no!! you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net dmw@mwmw.com - - get yr pathos:www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:10:51 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Eb to earth Eddie-Weddie: >sending me two copies.> > >hello? earth to eb! earth to eb! given that you are subscribed to the >"digest" form of the fegmaniax computer network (and don't you even fucking >DREAM of denying it, bastid), i think it makes a whole hell of a lot of >sense. No, I am NOT subscribed to the digest, you fucking bastid. Why would you think I'm on the digest list, given that I frequently disperse three or four messages throughout the day? VIVIEN "What gives, man?" THE VIVSTER http://www.10k4awife.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:23:47 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Fwd: A joke for you Now, I am the last guy to start forwarding jokes to the Feg List, but by heaven, if this isn't the first joke (sent to me by a friend in Australia) that mentions our dear New Zealand. Hmmm. . . . >>> On a beautiful deserted island in the middle of nowhere, the following >>> people are stranded: >>> >>> 2 Italian men and 1 Italian woman >>> 2 French men and 1 French woman >>> 2 German men and 1 German woman >>> 2 Greek men and 1 Greek woman >>> 2 English men and 1 English woman >>> 2 Polish men and 1 Polish woman >>> 2 Japanese men and 1 Japanese woman >>> 2 American men and 1 American woman >>> 2 Australian men and 1 Australian woman >>> 2 New Zealand men and 1 New Zealand woman >>> 2 Irish men and 1 Irish woman >>> >>> One month later, the following things have occurred: >>> >>> One Italian man killed the other Italian man for the Italian woman. >>> The two French men and the French woman are living happily together >>> having >>> loads of sex. >>> The two German men have a strict weekly schedule of when they alternate >>> with >>> the German woman. >>> The two Greek men are sleeping with each other and the Greek woman is >>> cleaning and cooking for them. >>> The two English men are waiting for someone to introduce them to the >>> English >>> woman. >>> The Polish men took a long look at the endless ocean and one look at the >>> Polish woman and they started swimming. >>> The two American men are contemplating the virtues of suicide, while the >>> American woman keeps on bitching about her body being her own, the true >>> nature of feminism, how she can do everything that they can do, about >>> the >>> necessity of fulfillment, the equal division of household chores, how >>> her >>> last boyfriend respected her opinion and treated her much nicer and how >>> her >>> relationship with her mother is improving. But at least the taxes are >>> low >>> and it is not raining. >>> The two Japanese men have faxed Tokyo and are waiting for further >>> instructions. >>> The two Australian men beat each other senseless for the Australian >>> woman, >>> who is checking out all the other men after calling them both "bloody >>> wankers". >>> Both New Zealand men are searching the island for sheep. >>> The Irish began by dividing the island into North and South and by >>> setting >>> up a distillery. They do not remember if sex is in the picture because >>> it >>> gets sort of foggy after the first few litres of coconut whiskey, but >>> they >>> are satisfied in that at least the English are not getting any. Baaaaaa. Baaaaa, - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:37:34 -0400 (EDT) From: normal@grove.ufl.edu Subject: Re: Hep me, hep me brainstorm Should I try looking up some _old_ protest songs, the sort that protest against things like slavery, alcohol, prohibition, Catholicism, Protestantism and other sort of issues that people haven't sung protest songs about for several generations, or are you looking for more recent/relevant things? Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://grove.ufl.edu/~normal normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:48:30 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: re: protest On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Eb wrote: > Some good suggestions, thanks! Many had already occurred to me, but others > hadn't. Keep 'em coming. :) this is a bit obscure, but i think new model army's _spirit of the falklands_ is one of the finest post-clash syntheses of politics and artistic merit in a protest vein. - -- d. - - "seventeen!" cried the humbug, always first with the wrong answer. - - oh no!! you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net dmw@mwmw.com - - get yr pathos:www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:49:16 EDT From: "Richard Zeszotarski" Subject: Re: Pete 'n' Python >From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" >Reply-To: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" >To: fegmaniax >Subject: Pete 'n' Python >Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:47:35 -0400 > >Mike G mentions Peter Cook's influence on Robyn. Never mind his influence - >on the booklet pictures for JfS he *looks* astonishingly like him. > >Also to chip in on the 'Being just contaminates the void, Everybody' >argument a) I think it's superb, and b) it has the same ethos as several >Python songs - notably The Philosopher's Song, Always Look On The Bright >Side and that one about the place earth-has-in-our-ever-expanding-universe >whose title I can't remember. Someone also mentioned a Sartre connection, >but I can't remember >whether they noted that Jean-Paul's philosophical magnum opus is called >Being And Nothingness. This fits neatly with Robyn's self-confessed Camus >influence and the strong grasp of French he evinced at his Paris shows. >Camus and Sartre are pretty de rigueur (oops,sorry...) for gun-slinging >French A Level students. > >I'm with Eb on JfS's production values, and with Susan on Underwater >Moonlight as Platonic Ideal Form. > >Eb, how about I Wanna Destroy You as a protest song... > >jmbc > > It's funny that you mention "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life," because I seem to recall reading in the liner notes for the Rhino re-issue of "Black Snake Diamond Role" that Robyn was influenced by this song when he wrote " The Man Who Invented Himself." But you probably knew that already. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:08:04 -0700 (PDT) From: fred is ted Subject: Re: Hep me, hep me brainstorm - --- Capitalism Blows wrote: > > > > this is the second mention i've seen of it, and i've > gotta say, this song > really bugs the shit out of me (though neil young's > version is pretty > monumental). what in fuck is "the answer is blowin' > in the wind" supposed > to mean? it's just hippie bullshit, if you ask me. > "the answer's blowin' > in the wind, man, so let's just go get stoned > again." instead of > organising. instead of protesting. fuck that. There's a common misperception here. Dylan's actual lyrics, garbled in the editing, were: "The answer is Capitalism Blows, my friend..." Feel better? My protest vote: "I Hate Nerys Hughes" by Half Man Half Biscuit Ted "Yeah, we get high on music" Kim Deal _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:59:40 -0600 From: ultraconformist@mail.weboffices.com Subject: re: protest >Some good suggestions, thanks! Many had already occurred to me, but others >hadn't. Keep 'em coming. :) Just now thought of some left-fielders: Scott Walker: "The Old Man's Back Again" (which interestingly enough, is the only song I know of that was a direct response to the Russian crackdown on Prague Spring) The Kinks: "All God's Children" The Style Council: "Walls Come Tumbling Down" Proclaimers: "Cap In Hand" Also some obvious shit that slipped my absent mind: "Give Peace A Chance" "(Say It Loud) I'm Black and I'm Proud" "Hurricane" (how on earth did I manage to forget that one?) "Oliver's Army" Love on ya, Susan whatcha collecting these for, anyhow? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:43:10 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: comedy, censorship, tiny frogs, Airscape >> Our popular view of Richard III as an evil tyrant is shaped mainly by >> his wildly inaccurate portrayal of the man. But would you have liked to >> have written a play in 1600 that said "well, the Queen's great granddad's >> enemy was actually quite a nice chap"? > >Wasn't James I king in 1600? (Many of Shake's plays were written while >James was king) hmmm... could be right there... but it's undeniable that many of his plays did bend the facts a little to "accommodate the prevailing history", shall we say. >And the idea that censorship held steady until 1967 is false. We've gone >back and forth between permissiveness and restriction repeatedly. The >late middle ages and the 1700s were quite permissive. true enough. What I was meaning was that censorship has been with usin some form or another for a long time, and art has had to bend to it or find a way around it - often with entertaining results. James ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:08:12 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: protest >Give me some ideas: What are the greatest protest songs of all time? They >do NOT have to be from the rock 'n' roll era. Email or post, I don't care >which. Everyone's bound to name American ones, so I'll go elsewhere. FWIW (especially considering your opinion of my taste :), one of my favourites is probably Aztec Camera and Mick Jones - "Good Morning Britain". Probably rates not far behind Buffalo Springfield's "For what it's worth" as far as I;'m concerned. A few other left-field possibilities include "Build" (Housemartins), "It says here" (Billy Bragg), "Dolphins" (just about everyone has done this one), "London Calling", "Sun City"... There's also a good French one called "Monsieur le President" (don't know who did it, but there's an extraordinarily difficult to obtain translated version by Bill Direen). New Zealand has contributed one or two, although we're a placid lot, mostly. Still "Don't go", by All of Us, "French Letter" by Herbs (about Moruroa, making it an oxymoronic an anti-test protest!), and "There is no depression in New Zealand" by Blam Blam Blam, along with a couple of others which could not be considered among the best ("Culture", by the Knobz unfortunately springs to mind :p. James (bound to think of more as soon as this is sent) James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:53:12 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re:loooong tracks >Subject: loooong tracks > >I may have imagined it, but was there a thread about long tracks recently. >Can anyone remember what was the longest one. I've just heard a seventy >minute effort. It takes up the whole of Paul Simpson (ex-Teardrop Explodes) >new album. "It's a Mystic Trip," original flexi is ƒ long. Though I suppose it would have to end eventually, owing to a power outage or a wearing out of the flexi or turntable. - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:16:09 +0000 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: moby! Ok, I did not make it to the Moby show last night, but I did pick up the new Moby cd "Play" and, Oh, it is gooood! He has sampled gosple tracks this time and mixed them with his techno stylings. Delicious is the best word to describe this beautiful cd. I just started my first year of law school, so wish me luck, and you all will know why if you don't see any posts or see me at feg outings in the bay area....My sanity is already a little frayed from the first week..... eleanore ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:53:14 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: Hep me, hep me brainstorm >Give me some ideas: What are the greatest protest songs of all time? They >do NOT have to be from the rock 'n' roll era. Email or post, I don't care >which. for a great list check "Those Fabulous Sixties"...the hilarious KTEL style ad narrated by "Bob Dylan" http://comedyradio.net/index.html?/act/national/ In addition I must confess to enjoying a good number of Chicago's old protest tunes (their first six albums were littered with them). And let's not forget "Alice's Restaurant". Well, it's time for my boot heels to be wandering. - -rUss (Doittoday). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:36:06 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: verb Susan wrote: >>on the album it all came out like lumpy jello pudding. ...And Eb replied: >That's exactly what I've always complained more generally, about Robyn's >lingering adherence to '80s post-gothic reverb. This is one thing about JfS >which really pleases me -- the '80s hangover is finally gone. Hooray for >Jon Brion. No offense, but I read Susan's post pretty carefully, and I didn't make any connection between "lumpy jello pudding" and "post-gothic reverb" whatsoever... I agree that Brion did a fine job, but not because he didn't use so much reverb. >I don't want new Robyn albums to be produced like old >Go-Betweens/Church/Smiths/Love & Rockets records. Admittedly I'm a big supporter of reverb, post-gothic or otherwise. (Glass Flesh listeners will remember me as "the guy who seemed to be in a large cement tank.") But even if I weren't, I just don't see why it should be that big a deal. So Eb, are you sure it isn't because you heard so many bad shoegazer albums during the 80's that you just got sick of it? Maybe I just haven't heard enough overly-reverbed records... Now, after a quick check of the archives, Eb also opined that Dark Princess and Jewels for Sophia were "the only tracks [on J4S] which feel like substantial additions to his catalog. A lot of the others seem fairly one-dimensional." So is it just me, or aren't those the only two songs on the album where the reverb is noticeably turned *up*? Food for thought. >Eb, still wondering how the Church manages to keep its fans awake Forced vegemite injections? In all seriousness, of course, I'm a Church fan, and I'm not ashamed to admit it! Sure, occasionally they record material that could be called "soporific"; lots of bands do that... but not many bands can be both soporific and interesting at the same time. (And yes, it doesn't hurt that their CD jewel boxes are all laced with amyl nitrate...) jmbc: >The Church's new album, Box Of Birds, is one of the worst I've >ever heard. It consists of entirely redundant covers of songs such >as All The Young Dudes, Silver Machine and and Television's Friction. >Aaargh. Is it really that bad, or do you just not like covers in general? I was sort of looking forward to hearing their version of "The Porpoise Song." Souixsie & the Banshees did a similar all-covers LP a long, long time ago... It was interesting to hear their "take" on some of their favorite tunes, but it didn't stay on the ol' turntable very long. Eb again: >np: the media frantically reporting on yet another lunatic shooting >kids to get media attention Maybe we should start some sort of pool on When People Will Finally Wise Up. I'll take September, 2019, if it hasn't already been grabbed. >http://www.10k4awife.com/ Okay, okay... make that April, 2039. Back to The Church... Hal B. writes: >I liked The Church a lot in the 80's and went to see them in Denver on >their recent tour a few months back. I was so bored, I left early (after >about 6-7 songs, I think...) Kilbey stared straight ahead (sing-speak >rigor mortis) and Marty's rawk-star posing was laughable. Major >disappointment. Maybe you missed the big vegemite-blitz before the show? Seriously though, they're supposed to be notoriously inconsistent live, though they're also supposed to have improved lately since they all stopped taking copious amounts of drugs on a near-daily basis. Even so, I try never to judge bands too harshly if they sometimes play badly at gigs. There are too many factors beyond their control for one thing, and besides, having tried it myself I'm convinced that writing/recording good tunes and performing them in a compelling (or even competent) fashion in front of a big sweaty crowd* are two completely different things. PROTEST SONGS which I just happen to like: Everything But the Girl: "Sean" Easterhouse: "1969" Scars: "Your Attention Please" (scaaaary stuff, that) The Smiths: "Please Please Please Let Me Get What I Want" >Perhaps I'd like to add a little underscore to the Clash...what are >the best examples from that band? Practically their whole catalog is them protesting about something, but I was always especially fond of two songs they did protesting the UK music industry: "Complete Control" and "Capital Radio." rUss: >for a great list check "Those Fabulous Sixties"...the hilarious >KTEL style ad narrated by "Bob Dylan" That was originally on "National Lampoon's Radio Dinner," or some such NatLamp album. John "drenched in multidimensional wetness" Hedges * Or not-so-big, in my case. PS. Sorry this was so long. But hey, you actually got this far! You deserve a pat on the back! ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #302 *******************************