From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #292 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, August 6 1999 Volume 08 : Number 292 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Blair witch (warning spoilers...) [Eleanore Adams ] Re: Blair witch (warning spoilers...) [Eleanore Adams ] Re: Bazooka Joe 90210 [Bayard ] Re: reap [Ross Overbury ] Re: Bazooka Joe 90210 [Eb ] attn Python fans [Eb ] Re: attn Python fans [Vivien Lyon ] I am just a normal, well-adjusted child [michelle wiener ] Re: for Macintosh users [no Robyn, of course] [Miles Goosens ] Re: I am concerned [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Re: the timelessness of quality (long) [Eb ] Re: I am concerned about the t'rible thangs hap'nin' ta th'nglish lang'agetxt [Mark_Gloster@3c] Re: for Macintosh users [no Robyn, of course] [Stewart Russell 3295 Analy] Re: the timelessness of quality (long) ["Capitalism Blows" ] August 23rd Music ["Russ Reynolds" ] Re: the timelessness of quality (long) ["D B" ] Re: the timelessness of quality (long) [mrrunion@palmnet.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 11:41:03 +0000 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: Blair witch (warning spoilers...) I haven't been reading all of the posts but...... I really could relate to the Blair Witch Project, being a hobby back packer. It touched exactly on camping dynamics, such as which way do we go etc... The last time I went backpacking was a threesome and that exact thing happened to us. I could read a map while my two companions wanted to take a "short cut". Being democratic we voted, 2 to 1, me loosing, but me being a map reader. We got lost, and I got bite by a Western Black legged tick which did not want to disengage from my flesh. Ouch! (you can visit my trip at http:/www.loomer.com/el) We went in the Santa cruz mountains that trip and those mountains are notorious dumping spots for bodies. (read those books by the FBI guy John Douglas) Great book on a hike - A Walk in the Woods by Bill Bryson. Very very funny, and very very true. Eleanore ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 12:15:25 +0000 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: Blair witch (warning spoilers...) ooops! http://www.loomer.com/el Eleanore Adams wrote: > I haven't been reading all of the posts but...... I really could relate to the > Blair Witch Project, being a hobby back packer. It touched exactly on camping > dynamics, such as which way do we go etc... The last time I went backpacking was > a threesome and that exact thing happened to us. I could read a map while my two > companions wanted to take a "short cut". Being democratic we voted, 2 to 1, me > loosing, but me being a map reader. We got lost, and I got bite by a Western > Black legged tick which did not want to disengage from my flesh. Ouch! (you can > visit my trip at http:/www.loomer.com/el) We went in the Santa cruz mountains > that trip and those mountains are notorious dumping spots for bodies. (read > those books by the FBI guy John Douglas) > > Great book on a hike - A Walk in the Woods by Bill Bryson. Very very funny, and > very very true. > > Eleanore ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:34:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: Bazooka Joe 90210 On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, JH3 wrote: > 3. At the end of the party, remove the hat and moustache in disgust, > say "Dammit, my plan would've worked perfectly if it weren't for > you nosey kids!" That's "meddling" kids, IIRC. BTW, I heard recently that "the jetsons" was the first television show broadcast in color? Is this true? =mr. pedantic, wrapped in plastic, bubble-rappin, intergalactic (seeing "the bayard witch project" tonight!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:38:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Ross Overbury Subject: Re: reap On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Eb wrote: > SOUTH AFRICA'S MAHLATHINI DIES > Awwww...I'm sure glad that I finally saw him live a couple of years ago. :( > > Whatta voice. I'll miss that voice too, though I never saw him. Hey feggies, if you wanna hear the African Captain Beefheart/Howling Wolf and increase your musical roughage intake, check out Mahlathini with or without the Mahotello Queens. Yeah, I'm back home tonight to mow the lawn and hit the banking machine before taking off to finish my vacation. I'm reading email instead. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:08:37 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Bazooka Joe 90210 Bayard: >BTW, I heard recently that "the jetsons" was the first television show >broadcast in color? Is this true? Wasn't "The Jetsons" a conceptual spinoff of "The Flintstones"? And "The Flintstones" wasn't ever in B&W, was it? It's a great trivia question, certainly.... Ended up going to see the Hang Ups last night, at the Viper Room. A quite good set. As with many semi-retro guitar-pop bands, the group's live shows have a bit more grit and aren't as dainty/precious as the albums. Check 'em out. Eb, who still is the only person he has ever known who was a fan of "Prince Planet" np: Os Mutantes (still trying to make up my mind) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:15:38 -0800 From: Eb Subject: attn Python fans The below is from the periodic news bulletin of the "A Word a Day" mailing list, which I was turned onto by our own Flaggyfeg, James Dignan. Funny! I wonder if the list administrator even recognizes the allusion? Eb >4. E-mail Address of the Month AWArD > > This section highlights an interesting email address on the AWAD list. > This month the AWArD goes to: > >Johann_Gambolputty_de_von_Ausfernschpledenschlittscrascrenbonfriediggerdingledan >gledonglebursteinvonknackerthrasherapplebangerhorowitzgrandlickgrumbelmeyerspell >eriactuallycutabitoutdankerkalbsfleischmittleraucher_Von_Hauptkopt_of_Ulm@meta-l >abs.com [Adam Lindsay] >------------------------------ >6. Administrivia > > Subscribe: http://www.wordsmith.org/awad/subscribe.html > Gift subscription: http://www.wordsmith.org/awad/gift.html > > Word list: http://www.wordsmith.org/awad/wordlist.html > Archives: http://www.wordsmith.org/awad/archives.html > Search: http://www.wordsmith.org/awad/search.html > FAQ: http://www.wordsmith.org/awad/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:48:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Vivien Lyon Subject: Re: attn Python fans - --- Eb wrote: >Johann_Gambolputty_de_von_Ausfernschpledenschlittscras>crenbonfriediggerdingledangledonglebursteinvonknackert>hrasherapplebangerhorowitzgrandlickgrumbelmeyerspell >eriactuallycutabitoutdankerkalbsfleischmittleraucher_V>on_Hauptkopt_of_Ulm@meta-labs.com [Adam Lindsay] I had this mostly memorized when I was sixteen (minus the web address, of course). Up to the applebanger part I was solid. After that it was bit shaky. When I was in college, I was a relentless Python-quoter. My boyfriend and I virtually had complete conversations in MP quotes. But we never, ever used quotations from the Holy Grail, as we considered that the heighth of nerdiness. Huh. Anyway, one time in a coffeehouse we overheard some people at an adjacent table doing the Holy Hand-grenade bit and Tim looked at me and said, "I hate it when laymen quote Monty Python." Vivien I also memorized half of the 'Hunting of the Snark' (took 23 minutes to recite that much). _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 18:19:54 -0400 From: michelle wiener Subject: I am just a normal, well-adjusted child Eb wrote: > Ended up going to see the Hang Ups last night, at the Viper Room. A quite > good set. As with many semi-retro guitar-pop bands, the group's live shows > have a bit more grit and aren't as dainty/precious as the albums. Check 'em > out. i really like these guys. i caught them first in chicago when they opened for trip shakespeare (why am i embarrassed to say that? hmm), and i was instantly riveted. one of the best things about moving back home after college was being able to see them frequently. i don't much care for the "so we go" CD (1996--they haven't done anything since, have they? i don't get to hear these things down here), partly because the version of "top of morning" isn't nearly as good as the version i have on the demo tape they were selling at the trip shakespeare show. and i agree with you, eb, they are better live. ah, memory lane. thanks. cheers, michelle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:52:21 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Bazooka Joe 90210 Bayard: >BTW, I heard recently that "the jetsons" was the first television show >broadcast in color? Is this true? I thought it was Johnny Quest. - - Steve ...Apple is the tail that wags the Wintel dog. - Herb Bethoney, PC Week ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 21:52:52 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: for Macintosh users [no Robyn, of course] At 11:32 AM 8/5/99 -0700, Tom Clark wrote: >That's the way it looks on my Mac as well. It looks like the text is >wrapping since nothing else on the entire page goes beyond that >right-most point. That makes the score 5-3 in the displays correctly/displays weird game. Tom, take a look at it now and mail me off list as to what you see. And a big on-list thanks to Steve, Mark, Ted, Zelda, Delia, Russ, and Tom for all pitching in to help out a poor benighted PC Feg. You guys rock as much as "NASA Clapping" -- and that's a compliment! later, Miles ====================================================== Miles Goosens limited edition R. Stevie Moore CDs now available! http://www.rsteviemoore.com My personal website http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles "If a million people say a stupid thing, it is still a stupid thing." -- Anatole France ====================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:00:57 -0400 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: the timelessness of quality (long) >From: Miles Goosens > >I beg a favor of those of you using Macs: please head to >http://www.rsteviemoore.com to help this PC user examine a potential >problem. I've had a Mac user write me to say that the first "headline" >reads as follows: > > >THIS APPEARS FLUSH RIGHT > > > > Announcing Limited Edition R. > > > > > >AND THIS APPEARS FLUSH LEFT ON THE NEXT LINE > > > >Stevie Moore CDs! > >when it should all left-justified. Looks fine to me. I'm on a beige G3 running OS 8.6 and Netscape 4.61. >From: "Capitalism Blows" >i'd like to argue that, while it's surely subjective anyway, the best films >are the ones that you want to watch over and over again. now, i personally >think Citizen Kane is boring. i'll grant that it was technically >groundbreaking and the whole bit. and i'll grant that both audiences and >critics love it. but i find it boring. so, for me, it's not a great movie. Wow. I tend to agree with you about Kane, actually. But here's the thing. I LOVE the album _Different_Light_ by the Bangles. It was practically my first cassette. I bought it when I was in junior high and I still have it (though I now listen to the CD more often). Every time I hear it, it reminds me of being young. I listen to it over and over and never get sick of it. I really admire the album _Dilate_ by Ani DiFranco. It's really remarkable and the songs are great and the mood is so thick and powerful, and it's probably her most focused and intense album. Great stuff. I never listen to it. Is _Different_Light_ head and shoulders about _Dilate_? That would be hard to argue. I love pure pop, but the fact is that DL has lasted forever for me because it's a fun pop record and uplifting (thanks in part to Jules Shear and Alex Chilton, of course), and -- crucially -- it arouses nostalgia in me. _Dilate_ has not lasted for me, because it's an abrasive and intense listen, and because I'm almost never in the mood to go where it goes, emotionally. So there's a sense in which I consider DL better than D, a "greater" album -- it's closer to my heart, and it seems like an old friend who's always fun to be around...not an acquaintance with some big problems and profound insights about them, who always brings me down. But I could never convey those relationships to someone else and expect them to react similarly to those two albums. On the other hand, I could definitely point to all the different emotions Ani captures in the music and lyrics on _Dilate_, and the intensity of it, and the adventurous sound of it, and even the killer cover art. I can't see myself convincing you that the Bangles made a "greater" album than Ani DiFranco. Part of this is the problem where pop is like comedy and intense folk-punk-rock is like drama -- drama seems inherently heavier and more "serious" and closer to greatness. That's one reason why South Park will not win an Oscar, and while frivolous, commercial pop always wins Grammies, it doesn't win critical acclaim. > i've seen every coen brothers movie at least ten times. so, for me, >they're all great. even movies that are in some ways excruciating to watch >for whatever reason --Goodfellas, The Man Who Fell To Earth, Sid And Nancy, >Once Upon A Time In America; for examples -- can be compelling. i've >watched all these movies over and over again, even though they usually turn >me into a wreck. great movies. I'm always embarrassed to admit that the Alien movies are my favorite films, closely followed by Tim Burton's best stuff. But by your definition, for me, at least, they kick the Godfather's ass (a movie I really love, but which I've only seen once). Is that reasonable? More to the point, does it bear any resemblance to the sense of "great" we've been discussing, the sense that Eb has in mind? And what does it mean that I've seen all 12 Young Ones episodes so often that I *am* the Young Ones? Best TV series of all time? (Maybe*.) >some movies, as well as albums, you can come back to them one, ten, twenty >years later, and they're just as good as they ever were. some not. What about the movies or albums that have to grow on you? If it's lame at first and becomes excellent, does that make it better than excellent at first and becomes lame? I never want to listen to my Kate Bush albums anymore, but that's more because I've played them into the ground than because I think they're lame. If they don't have the same impact on me that they used to have, does that mean they were *never* good? If that Fairlight sound on _The Dreaming_ seems dated these days (is not "timeless"), does that detract from the extraordinary nature of the album? These are interesting questions. They point up why I am skeptical of this notion of "standing the test of time." We like to imagine quality as objective and everlasting and consistent over time, but I think that's a pipe dream. ObRobyn: Globe of Frogs and Eye impress me less these days (but I still love them!), and I Often Dream of Trains and Respect impress me more these days. Also, I have a question for those who have gotten this far: should I pay $20 for The Kershaw Sessions? Is it worthwhile? Drew * Just testing. :) - -- Andrew D. Simchik, wyrd@rochester.rr.com http://home.rochester.rr.com/wyrd/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:14:11 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: I am concerned I am concerned. Alice and I went for a walk through the local botanical gardens, whgere there is a small aviary (keeping various odd pheasants, peacocks, parrots and other words beginning with a P). On the way back from the aviary, we saw a strange bird on the path in front of us. It was roundish, with a brown back separated from a black front by a thin white line, and it had a sort of black wattle above its eyes. You guessed it, very clearly a quail. Trouble is, Dunedin doesn't have any wild quail. Presumably it had escaped from the aviary. Only problem is that by the time we could get to anyone who could do something about it, the dang bird had disappeared into the foliage. I havebeen told since then that the Dunedin Aviary does not have quails. What is going on? James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:57:46 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: I am concerned >What is going on? Hawaii, Fiji, and Triton are the only places in this solar system still uninhabited by quails. The end, truly, is near. The absence of humhed avians was your primary reason for choosing your location. Sorry James. It could be worse, they populate the hills around here by the zillions. "The quail will lie down with the bunny and emit horrible peeping noises" - -Genesis 2:23:87:44:hut:hut ,seippaH retsolG kraM- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:59:17 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: the timelessness of quality (long) Drew: >>i'd like to argue that, while it's surely subjective anyway, the best films >>are the ones that you want to watch over and over again. now, i personally >>think Citizen Kane is boring. i'll grant that it was technically >>groundbreaking and the whole bit. and i'll grant that both audiences and >>critics love it. but i find it boring. so, for me, it's not a great movie. > >Wow. I tend to agree with you about Kane, actually. Citizen Kane is one of the few films I've ever seen which totally gripped me both as storytelling AND as razzle-dazzle film-making. I think it deserves every bit of its legendary status. Considering the size of my record collection, I don't have many films saved on tape (20ish?), but Citizen Kane is one of 'em. >And what does it mean that I've seen all 12 Young Ones episodes so often that >I *am* the Young Ones? Best TV series of all time? (Maybe*.) Are there only 12? Wow. I've just recently seen a few episodes...my first exposure to the show. Had no idea it was that limited. Then again, I still can't believe how limited some of those old Krofft kiddie shows were...seems like I was always watching "H.R. Pufnstuf" when I was a kid, but I recently learned that there were only about 13 episodes ever made. Sheesh, I must've known those suckers inside and out, I guess. And yeah, I get a kick outta The Young Ones. I can't get much more enthusiastic than that, but it's fun and different. I'm still trying to figure out what purpose "Mike" serves, though -- he seems like nothing but excess baggage. No? >I never want to listen to my Kate Bush albums anymore, >but that's more because I've played them into the ground than because I think >they're lame. If they don't have the same impact on me that they used to >have, >does that mean they were *never* good? If that Fairlight sound on _The >Dreaming_seems dated these days (is not "timeless"), does that detract >from the >extraordinary nature of the album? Well, I wouldn't say The Dreaming is a particularly good example to use. I don't think the Fairlight sound has aged all that badly. But let's talk keyboards from the '70s -- whew, lots of records which were once acclaimed sound yucky today, due to all those burping synthesizers and neanderthal, grinding organs. And yeah, I think this detracts from the albums' contemporary worth. I believe one of the reasons Genesis holds up better than almost any other classic prog band is that Tony Banks' keyboard sounds are fairly conservative -- lots of piano, and lots of subdued synthesizer colors. Nice foresight. Can was similarly crafty in their instrumental choices. On the other hand, I tried buying Soft Machine's Third a few months ago -- the music was decent, but the organs sent me howling under the porch. Then, James: >I am concerned. Alice and I went for a walk through the local botanical >gardens, whgere there is a small aviary (keeping various odd pheasants, >peacocks, parrots and other words beginning with a P). On the way back from >the aviary, we saw a strange bird on the path in front of us. It was >roundish, with a brown back separated from a black front by a thin white >line, and it had a sort of black wattle above its eyes. You guessed it, >very clearly a quail. Meanwhile, I'm still freaked that a *Thoth* led away the masked prostitute at the Eyes Wide Shut orgy. Eb, now mentally comparing the central riffs of REM's "Feeling Gravity's Pull" and Metallica's "Enter Sandman" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:13:58 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: I am concerned about the t'rible thangs hap'nin' ta th'nglish lang'agetxt uh. fer thosayu countin at home, that's hmuhed or hmuh'd. Now Eddie's got me all paranoid about punksheeashun. Comma comma comma comedian. - -Markg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:54:15 +0100 (BST) From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: Re: for Macintosh users [no Robyn, of course] >>>>> "Miles" == Miles Goosens writes: Miles> I beg a favor of those of you using Macs: please head to Miles> http://www.rsteviemoore.com to help this PC user examine a Miles> potential problem. It's not just Mac users that are likely to have problems. It breaks Tidy, Dave Raggett's HTML cleaner (http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett/tidy/), which is a pretty rare achievement. None of the entities have semicolons at the end, so they may or may not render, depending on how the browser is feeling. Stewart [whose new PC has never booted MS software . . . whee!] - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 01:06:51 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: the timelessness of quality (long) there was a really cool show called The Underdog Film Festival that played at the grand illusion here a few years back. it was a bunch of old Underdog cartoons, of course, as well as lots of other stuff. including, some black and white Flintsones cigarette commercials. i shit you not. maybe not "head and shoulders" but, while it seems so counterintuitive to say so, how could it be anything else than better? maybe there should be two different continuua: one for how much we respect works of art, and another for how much we like them. i rarely listen to ABBEY ROAD, yet still consider it my favorite album. every time i *do* listen to it, i love it, and think i ought to listen to it more fraequently. and i suppose i've listened to it about as much as any other album i've ever owned. so it's not quite as striking as your dilemma. but your question is interesting. i listen to DILATE more than any other ani album, by the way (unless you count THE PAST DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE). i wonder if we've been socialised to believe this? why should brilliant comedy be any less "great" than brilliant drama? especially when, like South Park (or, say, mojo nixon, whom eb inexplicably dismisses) the comedy is quite political and/or subversive. first off, i did say that i would *like* to make the argument. i'm not convinced i believe it myself. second, i certainly wasn't arguing for any sort of quantitative correlation. for example, i don't think that because i've seen Miller's Crossing 35 times, and Barton Fink only 15 or so that Miller's Crossing is exactly 2.3333... times better than Barton Fink. in point of fact, i don't think it *is* better. but i'd watch either one of them in a heartbeat, so i think they're both great. but it does make some sense to me that, all things being equal, if you'd *rather* watch Alien than The Godfather, that you think it's a better movie. you mean, does the world-at-large consider it great just because you've seen it dozens of times? no. but who gives a fuck? well how long do they take to grow on you? robyn albums usually take some time to grow on me, but only a few days or weeks, generally. yeah, you can get addicted to something, for whatever reasons. i couldn't even begin to count how many times i listened to IN THE AEROPLANE OVER THE SEA last year, for example. but, honestly, aren't those albums that you listen to a couple or more times a year *every year*, and like *just as much if not more* than you ever did better records, in retrospect, than those which you listened to a million times one summer but never since? (not saying IN THE AEROPLANE will be one of these! in fact, i've been listening to, and loving it, just this week.) it may well mean they were never *as* good as you at one time, for whatever reasons, believed. but unless you now regret having listened to them so fraequently, i'm not sure it matters. i'm getting tons of enjoyment out of South Park these days. if, in ten years, i go to watch it and think, "jeez, what did i ever see in this crap?" i don't think it should be any sort of cause for alarm. it would still have brought tons of enjoyment to my life, and that's a good thing. but how else can we gauge (if that's our intention) all-time classics, than by how well they've stood the test of time? if those people who love South Park now don't still love it ten years from now, and those people who will have been exposed to it in the next ten years don't love it either; can it really be considered a great movie because at one point in time a bunch of people *did* love it? i dunno. i think the cream does rise to the top, over time. show The Seven Samurai to just about any person, from any culture, at any period of time since its release, and they're going to say it's great. let just about any person, from any culture, at any period of time since its writing read War And Peace, and they're going to say it's great. i'd say that's a pretty decent indicator. TRAINS is one album that will *never*, ever, ever lose its appeal. or so i suspect. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 07:35:19 -0500 From: Zelda Pinwheel Subject: RH interview in the Austin Chronicle Hi, I haven't even read this yet, but I thought I'd pass it along. Enjoy! zelda http://www.auschron.com/current/music.hitchcock.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 05:40:37 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: August 23rd Music So I was trying to remember the significance of August 23, as in "August 23rd Music." I don't recall what we came up with the last time this was brought up but I do remember thinking that whatever it was seemed a bit obscure or vague. Then I happened to find myself standing in front of a Rhino Records calendar this morning, glanced ahead to August 23rd and saw "Raymond Chandler, 1888" AHA! I thought to myself. Then I realized I was looking at July. So someone remind me: what is the significance of August 23rd again? - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 05:46:27 PDT From: "D B" Subject: Re: the timelessness of quality (long) I never want to listen to my Kate Bush albums anymore, >but that's more because I've played them into the ground than because I >think >they're lame. If they don't have the same impact on me that they used to >have, >does that mean they were *never* good? Trust yourself now, on this one. They suck. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 07:49 +0000 From: mrrunion@palmnet.net Subject: Re: the timelessness of quality (long) Eddie questioned: >Park now don't still love it ten years from now, and those people who will >have been exposed to it in the next ten years don't love it either; can it >really be considered a great movie because at one point in time a bunch of >people *did* love it? I posit that there is no such characteristic as "greatness". There are only things that "I think are great" or "you think are great". Occasionally, "we think it's great", and that's really cool. But greatness, like fame, celebrity, spiritual wonderment, whatever, is to my way of thinking not an absolute. It's just a concept we create to give us warm and fuzzies. You know, that's a great album, and I like it, so now I feel some social connection with my fellow man. Something like that. Maybe not that cold and harsh sounding, but you know... Case in point (and forgive me for being a pathetic weenie-loser that's not even sure of his own convictions...does that make sense?): Last night I jammed with a full band for the first time in a cozy, blacklit, sparkly home studio place out in Port Canaveral (complete with all the original Pink Floyd record posters). We all got off on each others stuff, and it was a warm and fuzzy evening. At the end of the night, we were discussing artists/music we think is "great", or whom we absolutely love. Of course I mentioned Robyn, Cope, NMH, etc. I was met with blank stares, a couple of "never heard of 'em's" and a polite "Well, if you like them, they must be pretty good." Likewise, they railed on about the Rolling Stones and Lynyrd Skynyrd, etc. The music we played was pretty blissful, but there's no way we're ever gonna come to a consensus on what's "great" without a lot of prep-work, conditioning, and brute coercion. Blah, blah, blah...whatever. Mike ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #292 *******************************