From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #291 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, August 5 1999 Volume 08 : Number 291 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Blair witch (warning spoilers...) [DDerosa5@aol.com] Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #290 ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: Bazooka 9001 [delia winthorpe ] wheee! [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Blair Witch Project and other oddments [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (Jam] Re: this year's Private Parts [four episode lesbian ] for Macintosh users [no Robyn, of course] [Miles Goosens ] Re: Blair witch (warning spoilers...) [The Great Quail ] my dream of -- quails! [lj lindhurst ] Re: Bazooka 9001 ["JH3" ] as long as we're sharing fegdreams... [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] The Lou Reed [Joel Mullins ] Re: for Macintosh users [no Robyn, of course] [Tom Clark Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #290 >From: hal brandt >I simply liked the ending that Kubrick created over the one that Eb >postulated. Most people I've asked about Eb's alternate "Fidelio" >ending thought it was ridiculous. Not to be difficult, but I like "Fidelio" better, too. It's not original to Eb; we were talking about having expected that word on the way out of the theater. I think I already mentioned this, but I find it really amusing that the South Park movie made fun of the monumental importance so many Americans (and others) place on the word "fuck," while Eyes Wide Shut's actors tried to make it sound like a diabolical invocation ("ffffffuck"). When Hollywood says "fuck" and means the old in-out, it never seems to make it sound natural, the way humans say it. It's always "fffffpreparetobeSHOCKED!fffffUCK!" So ridiculous. Granted, you couldn't just drop "Fidelio" in without changing the setup line, and it would be such a mean way to end the movie, but "fuck" was not much better. Those of you fearful of spoilers: trust me, you really lose nothing by knowing about the "fuck" issue. >From: "Capitalism Blows" > [I opined:] >as you can from the Grammys.> > >although eb's point about ten-best lists is well-taken. we may have to wait >until then to settle the argument over whether the film has been nicely >received merely because it exceeded expectations, or because it's a great >movie. I don't understand. Do you mean, "or because the Academy/critics considers/consider it a great movie"? If we're just talking about whether critics are appreciating a movie without sincerely applauding it, then yes. If we're talking about whether it IS a great movie in some sense (I think it would be absurd to compare SP:B,L,U to The Godfather or Citizen Kane along any dimension, but that has a lot more to do with the intent of the filmmakers and the cultural context than with "objective" notions of quality in art), the Oscars won't change a thing in my mind. > > >the *really* great part about that song was the choreography. I'm a sucker for real heads on cartoon bodies. The David Hasselhoff head made "Tom's Rhinoplasty" one of my favorite episodes ever ("Gosh, I'm gonna need some more smack!"). >and mustn't >forget woj's favorite: "I'm super! Thanks for asking! All things >considered, I couldn't be better, I must say!" How could I forget? I probably read more cultural critique into that song than Matt and Trey intended, but on the other hand, maybe they read OUT also. >not to mention that i can't >wait to hear the violent femmes song. Er...wait. Maybe it's just that I can't stand the Violent Femmes, but I thought they slaughtered it (and when you slaughter a song sung by Saddam Hussein, you know you have a problem). >would live to be octogenarian.> > >i think whether a movie stands the test of time is a valid indicator of its >quality. I really, really don't, partly because I probably disagree over what it means to "stand the test of time." >where such things are more frequently $12.99 tops. You must not >encourage the big chains in their $18-a-pop hubris.> > >i was at Cellophane Square, which is about as local as you could get. and >friendly enough, i guess. i'll wait 'til it turns up used, though the wait >will be somewhat excruciating. Wow. You mean there's actually something to like about Rochester? Low CD prices? > > >i dunno. the line, "if you want daniel, dial his extension...STUPID!" just >cracks me up. as does the bit with conan jumping out the window and landing >on the car, then the guy coming out to turn off the alarm. I didn't say it wasn't funny...just that it was least funny compared to the rest of it. :) >From: Eb [South Park, still] >I think the lack of visuals hurts the soundtrack album, in general. That's what your visual memory is for! Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, wyrd@rochester.rr.com http://home.rochester.rr.com/wyrd/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 19:00:47 -0700 (PDT) From: delia winthorpe Subject: Re: Bazooka 9001 > efforts to debunk the Eb Devil. i happen to know that two fegs are working on a self-help book at this moment with this here title. did somebody leak this to Eb? but i must chime in that i could care less if anybody dismissed my ideas as irrelevant (maybe). in a world of opinions who really cares? it's really the discourse that matters. perhaps we learn more about ourselves in the exchange like "i'm WAY more neurotic than i ever thought." back to my previous thoughts about critics - i prefer the critic who rips everything. who picks everything apart. who makes you work inorder to find something you like. i like what i see in fegland. i think i'm giving Eb a thumbs up. i have to go to a party on saturday dressed up like a cowpoke...anybody have some groovy ideas for me? d _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:25:56 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: wheee! finally saw it! Yupsirree, SH played at the Dunedin International Film Festival last night. Small crowd (I mean SMALL). Thoroughly enjoyable although a little unnerved to see how much Robyn now looks like Paul McCartney from some angles (heresy!). Thought there could have been more with Deni, loved the apology to computers, thankful to see that I'm not the only person who pllays an acoustic guitar with top & bottom dropped to D through a tube screamer and delay. Blinky, ain't he? And JfS should appear in the shops here within a week! James PS - my partner, Alice, is still not convinced about RH: "love his wit, but a lot of the songs are fairly average". Ah well, you can't win 'em all. James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:50:45 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Blair Witch Project and other oddments >From what I know, Blair Witch was, in fact, in production for three years. >(No, I don't see how they justify that either, except for the fact that >money for production is often a very long time in coming... particularly >for post.)(I also foud it a bit odd how the one bit that DOES seem to >indicate exactly when the thing goes down seems to be obvious and tacked >on.) Also, both films are astoundingly like an Italian film called >Cannibal Holocaust. FWIW, I must ask whether anyone here ever saw a programme called Alternative Three? It was a documentary put out on British TV by a very respected documentary programme (Panorama, perhaps?), and was done entirely as an April Fools' gag. It started out with the thruth and moved subtly into half-truth and from there to outright porkies, but by the end of it you were convinced that the US and Soviet Union (this was broadcast prior to 1980) had been secretly contriving to put a large-scale base on the far side of the moon, for the sole purpose of saving a small number of humans from the inevitable collapse of the earth's ecology. It also showed 'real' footage of what was found on Mars by the unmanned probes sent there. Very, very believable. A similar spoof was put out by NZ television a couple of years back - the rediscovered work of pioneering NZ film producer Colin McKenzie. Too long to go into here, but "Forgotten Silver" showed highlights from some of the movies which he made during the 20s and 30s, including footage of the unfinished epic he made at a secret site deep within the South Island's rugged bush. Expert testimony from everyone from Peter Jackson to Leonard Maltin expressed the importance of the discovery. Another lovely spoof. James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 22:43:07 -0400 From: four episode lesbian Subject: Re: this year's Private Parts MC 900 Ft Capitalism Blows rapped: >i was just looking, longingly, at the soundtrack today. fuckin' $17.99! >what is the world coming to? blame canada! (better yet, drive up to canada and buy it there -- that's what i did.) woj n.p. ivo papasov -- balkanology n.r. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 22:15:29 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: for Macintosh users [no Robyn, of course] I beg a favor of those of you using Macs: please head to http://www.rsteviemoore.com to help this PC user examine a potential problem. I've had a Mac user write me to say that the first "headline" reads as follows: >THIS APPEARS FLUSH RIGHT > > Announcing Limited Edition R. > > >AND THIS APPEARS FLUSH LEFT ON THE NEXT LINE > >Stevie Moore CDs! when it should all left-justified. If it's wrong (i.e., it looks like the above example), please let me know. I try to keep the coding simple, and always view pages in both Netscape and IE before uploading to the site, so it worries me that something might be going screwy for my Apple-usin' cousins. In return, I can only offer my gratitude (and by extension, the gratitude of Mac-using R. Stevie Moore fans); think I'm already overdrawn my karma points, but if there are any lying around loose, I'll send them your way. RH content (ha! I lied in the subj line!): I really like JfS a lot. I'll be saying more about that whenever I get time. later, Miles ====================================================== Miles Goosens limited edition R. Stevie Moore CDs now available! http://www.rsteviemoore.com My personal website http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles "If a million people say a stupid thing, it is still a stupid thing." -- Anatole France ====================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 23:53:17 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: SP maybe it's just different for different people. but soundtracks always *evoke* the movie for me. i always get a picture of the movie in my head. this is perhaps one reason i get so irritated when the order of the songs is different on the soundtrack than it was in the movie. i also dig just audiotaping movies straight from the laserdisc, and listening to them wherever. it works like a charm! well, eb's been arguing (and some of it offlist, i must admit) that the critical acclaim is misleading. that even though it sounds like the critics like it a lot, they don't really. just that it exceeded their expectations a lot. when it does or does not turn up on a lot of ten best lists, we'll have our answer. i'd like to argue that, while it's surely subjective anyway, the best films are the ones that you want to watch over and over again. now, i personally think Citizen Kane is boring. i'll grant that it was technically groundbreaking and the whole bit. and i'll grant that both audiences and critics love it. but i find it boring. so, for me, it's not a great movie. i've seen every coen brothers movie at least ten times. so, for me, they're all great. even movies that are in some ways excruciating to watch for whatever reason --Goodfellas, The Man Who Fell To Earth, Sid And Nancy, Once Upon A Time In America; for examples -- can be compelling. i've watched all these movies over and over again, even though they usually turn me into a wreck. great movies. did you notice that in the credits, they list saddam hussein as being voiced by "himself"? some movies, as well as albums, you can come back to them one, ten, twenty years later, and they're just as good as they ever were. some not. i don't really know why that is, to tell the truth. or, to put it differently, what qualities imbue works of art with "timelessness"? eb mentioned pop-culture references (as a negative indicator), but i can't really buy that. at least, i think it'd be a very minor factor. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:46:28 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Blair witch (warning spoilers...) Dave writes, > I guess the main suspension of >disbelief needed is that people lost in the woods and freaking out and even >losing one of their party would continue to keep filming. But, in our >post-modern world, that conceit will likely become more and more plausible. (Fairly big spoilers ahead) Actually, I thought that was entirely believable. As was pointed out on the movie, seeing events through the camera added a definite buffer between Heather and Reality. Something which I think Mike then acquired after Josh vanished. In fact, I kept thinking that if it were me, I would've been hitting that camera like a freaking morphine drip! It props us the illusion that you are in control of the event, that you are a documentary maker creating art, or a journalist recording events. Either way, you are removed one significant step from the event itself . . . the camera takes on the role of a crutch, a drug, and in an event like that depicted in the BWP, one paradoxically serving as an anchor to a "sane" world. - --Quail, all ready to go camping! +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society, Kibroth-hattaavah Branch) For fun with postmodern literature, New York vampires, and Fegmania, visit Sarnath: http://www.rpg.net/quail "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 08:27:44 -0600 From: hal brandt Subject: Denver in-store (4 Aug 99) Twist & Shout Records/Denver in-store setlist: - -Mexican God - -You've Got A Sweet Mouth On You, Baby - -Ride - -Isolation (Lennon) (!) (<-1st time played) - -Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall (Dylan) (partial-"I can't remember all the words, but it's a great song. They don't write songs like that anymore!") - -Victorian Squid (<-my request! Preceeded by a statement about how repressed/hypocritical the US is. "We need more sex and less violence!") - -Cynthia Mask - -I Got A Message For You ("This is the song that I was conceived to. My mom and dad were playing it on the Victrola.") - -Viva! Sea-Tac - -Wax Doll ("I haven't played this in years. From an album of mine that you can't get anywhere any longer. Perhaps that's a good thing...") - -Gene Hackman He turned down such requests as Ghost Ship, Clear Spot, Antwoman, 1974, Heliotrope, Charlotte Anne, Only The Stones, Flesh Cartoons and a few more saying things like "that's too long", "too depressing...I can't face doing that one right now" or "I can't hit the high notes." An upbeat performance even though he was sweating a lot. His heart was racing from the altitiude most likely, plus he was swigging a coffee on top of that the whole time until someone finally gave him a bottle of water. Afterwards, he signed autographs. I handed him a large, green cone that I 'borrowed' from US West ("That's a beautiful cone!") on which he drew a cartoon face with the word balloon "Yeah...thanks for th' comix!" (I gave him some Flaming Carrot comics to read on the road.) Weenie BULLETIN: Robyn mentioned before playing Gene Hackman that the bonus track preceeding it on JFS is called... "MR. TONGS" I asked if he'd be back in November and he said "I haven't even left yet." A great intimate performance. Now, if I can get a tape... /hal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:52:43 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: my dream of -- quails! I dreamed that my sister and I were looking at a picture of the SFMOMA, only it wasn't really SFMOMA, but some kind of wierd animal reserve. The next thing I know, we were both there in the picture. And it was just like a Dali painting, with big columns and floating rocks, and there was a hazy desert stretching out behind us and a vivid sunset-- you get the picture. And there were fountains everywhere, and there were dolphins and fish jumping out of them. The strange thing was, as soon as they'd jump, they'd be suspended in air like some kind of stop-action photography. But this was not the strangest part-- the wierd thing was, there were QUAILS everywhere! And they were lovely quails, with bright red hmuh's. Their wings were blue, and if you stretched them open, they were actually blueprints of their bones underneath. And all of the quails were extremely friendly-- even though we had read in the book that you weren't supposed to touch them because they would then "smell like humans and be ostracized from their flock", it was difficult NOT to pet them and feed them because they were so darned friendly! They'd just fly up to you and start nuzzling you. So my sister and I each brought one home to live with us, since they would surely be ostracized from their flock! Then I woke up. The end. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ LJ Lindhurst White Rabbit Graphic Design NYC ljl@w-rabbit.com http://www.w-rabbit.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Well it's a dog's life in a rope leash or a diamond collar" --Elvis Costello ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:35:51 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: Bazooka 9001 delia winthorpe writes: >>...efforts to debunk the Eb Devil. >i happen to know that two fegs are working on a self-help book >at this moment with this here title. did somebody leak this to Eb? Not until just now. >i have to go to a party on saturday dressed up like a cowpoke... >anybody have some groovy ideas for me? 1. Wear a huge Sam Elliott hat & moustache just like in "The Big Lebowski," and then just sit in the kitchen the whole time pretending to read "Finnegan's Wake" 2. Carry a live sheep around with you, and whenever it poops on the plush carpeting, say "Oops, I reckon ol' Chessie got into the sheep dip again" (in a French accent) 3. At the end of the party, remove the hat and moustache in disgust, say "Dammit, my plan would've worked perfectly if it weren't for you nosey kids!" and have someone dressed as a policeman escort you out of the building (sure, it's been done, but nobody ever gets tired of it for some reason) John "Oh my god, they killed JFK Junior! You bastards!" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:02:23 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: as long as we're sharing fegdreams... The other night I dreamed that there were a lot of people at my house and the phone rang. It was Terry Marks. He was terribly agitated, and the noise in the background didn't put him at ease. I finally asked him what the trouble was. I guess it was a fegparty, but in some unfamiliar house. Maybe I had moved to Oregon or something. He said, in a very, though somewhat not, Terry Marksian manner, "What is 'fuck-ass rock'n'roll' and how do I know if my band's been playing it?" He sounded worried, like it would have apocacalipsocoan RAMifications. I didn't know the answer. I was at a loss for words. Suddenly Jeme was there and grabbed the phone out of my hand. I don't think he had the answer either, but told him we had the foremost authority on the subject and held the phone up to where Eddie's face was supposed to be, but he was doing a headstand, so somebody put a worn paper bag over his feet and drew a comical face on the bag, so he could answer Terry's questions. It looked like the small wooden boy's face from the Tick. I woke up not knowing what his answer was, but he was speaking in muffled, but sincere tones from his feet through the bag. I hope he helped Terry out. I think I had this dream because I ate a big dinner, had too many cookies, stayed up way too late, and hung out with a bunch of damn artists and musicians that night. I woke up thinking that it was a rather funny dream. Eddie, what would your feet have said? 'appies, - -Markg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 13:06:35 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: The Lou Reed *** The The finds a new home on Nothing (Launch) - Musical chameleons The The, essentially band founder Matt Johnson and a rotating cast of musicians since the release of the 1983 album "Soul Mining," have found a new home with Nine Inch Nails frontman Trent Reznor's Nothing label. Johnson, whose past endeavors on Epic Records have resulted in everything from punk to pop to country homages and included turns by ex-Smiths guitarist Johnny Marr, former New York Dolls singer David Johansen and female vocalists Sinead O'Connor and Neneh Cherry, will release an EP for the label this fall, with a full-length disc titled "NakedSelf" due to follow in Jan. 2000. The release of the EP will be followed by a tour of the United States and Europe beginning later this year. The artist, whose last The The release was the 1995 Hank Williams Sr. tribute "Hanky Panky" for 550 Music/Epic, seemed to be taking a backhanded swipe at other major labels while affirming a long-term commitment to Nothing in a statement that accompanied the announcement. "In a music industry of increasing corporatization, homogenization, and general awfulness, it was a simple decision for me to choose Nothing Records," Johnson said. "I feel we share many of the same beliefs and passions, and already it feels like a natural home to me. I'm feeling galvanized and extremely excited about the next few years." In the statement, Reznor expressed his delight in signing Johnson to the label that he co-founded with his manager, John A. Malm, Jr. Nothing's roster includes Nine Inch Nails, Marilyn Manson, and others. "Matt Johnson's music was one of the main reasons I began working on Nine Inch Nails," Reznor said. "The passion, the honesty, and the nakedness of his work opened doors of possibilities in my head." *** Lou Reed: Music and books (Launch) - Lou Reed, New York City's quintessential artist, is currently working on a new album, scheduled to be finished by the end of September. Reed, who is working with a band made up of Fernando Saunders, Tony "Thunder" Smith, and Mike Rathke, has fourteen songs recorded for the new set, which is expected to be released in early 2000. According to Reed's official Web site (http://www.loureed.org), among the titles being considered for the album are "Like A Possum" (the frontrunner), "Ecstasy," "Paranoia Key of E," "Baton Rouge" and "Tatters." Aside from the new work, Arista Records' Masters Series will release "Lou Reed - The Definitive Collection," produced by Reed and longtime collaborator Hal Willner, on Aug. 24. The album will feature sixteen tracks that span Reed's solo career, from 1972's "Lou Reed" to the 1998 live album "Perfect Night: Live in London." Reed will also see his second book of lyrics published in November, titled "Pass Thru Fire: A Collection of Lyrics" (Hyperion Press). Reed previously published "Between Thought and Expression: Selected Lyrics of Lou Reed," which is now out of print. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:32:53 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: for Macintosh users [no Robyn, of course] That's the way it looks on my Mac as well. It looks like the text is wrapping since nothing else on the entire page goes beyond that right-most point. - -tc On 8/4/99 8:15 PM, Miles Goosens wrote: >I beg a favor of those of you using Macs: please head to >http://www.rsteviemoore.com to help this PC user examine a potential >problem. I've had a Mac user write me to say that the first "headline" >reads as follows: > > >THIS APPEARS FLUSH RIGHT > > > > Announcing Limited Edition R. > > > > > >AND THIS APPEARS FLUSH LEFT ON THE NEXT LINE > > > >Stevie Moore CDs! > >when it should all left-justified. If it's wrong (i.e., it looks like the >above example), please let me know. I try to keep the coding simple, and >always view pages in both Netscape and IE before uploading to the site, so >it worries me that something might be going screwy for my Apple-usin' >cousins. In return, I can only offer my gratitude (and by extension, the >gratitude of Mac-using R. Stevie Moore fans); think I'm already overdrawn >my karma points, but if there are any lying around loose, I'll send them >your way. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #291 *******************************