From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #275 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, July 28 1999 Volume 08 : Number 275 Today's Subjects: ----------------- inaccurate URL ["Livia" ] MABD/SF ["Russ Reynolds" ] MABD/smoking ["Russ Reynolds" ] Re: Yea! RH content hidden (Y'know, RH is just RUSH with us missing...) [] Re: EJ's triangle ["Russ Reynolds" ] geek fan wish for 2000 ["Russ Reynolds" ] Re: EJ's triangle ["Livia" ] Re: Which one's Pink? [michelle wiener ] My take... ["Thomas, Ferris" ] Woodstock [Christopher Gross ] RE: Woodstock ["Chaney, Dolph L" ] Re: MABD/SF [Tom Clark ] Re: MABD/SF ["Livia" ] Re: EJ's triangle ["Livia" ] Re: SF in-store ["Livia" ] Thank you, Livia [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Re: EJ's triangle [Tom Clark ] RH in NYC in 1986? [Tom Clark ] LA - at Rhino [SIMON50@aol.com] Re: RH in NYC in 1986? [lj lindhurst ] Re: RH in NYC in 1986? [lj lindhurst ] Re: Woodstock [lj lindhurst ] Re: Thank you, Livia ["Livia" ] Woodstock [The Great Quail ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 23:08:56 -0700 From: "Livia" Subject: inaccurate URL from fegmaniax: Read a little bit about the MABD tour from Robyn and Steven Drodz. http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/eguide/archive/1999/07/26/brain. dtl&type=music - ----- people really ought to watch out for those poorly-composed bits of underlining that wrap around carriage returns but i can always cut and paste ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 01:15:30 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: MABD/SF Quickee review of the Fillmore show: IQU: lab coats & synthesizers. Pretty interesting and intense, actually. Nick bought the CD. SONIC BOOM: this guy had a row of computer thingies on a table and stood with his back to the audience for half an hour replicating the sound of the interior of a single engine airplane. Nick said it sounded more like the runway at SFO, so there's some dispute over the size of engine it sounded like. It was far from "music", though. Anyone ever heard George Harrison's "Electronic Sound" LP? This made that piece of rubbish sound like a Beethoven sonata. RH: Eight songs and out. Fun but sloppy set, including... Cynthia Mask I Something You (in C--always a happy key...except for Lou Reed's "Caroline Says") [enter Tim, "from England"...before their first number Robyn busts a guitar string and exclaims "Oh fuck! This has never happened before in 23 years of show biz". Switches to electric] Alright Yeah Viva Sea-Tac [back to acoustic on this, I think] Madonna of the wasps Jewels For sophia I Am Not Me (encore) Queen Of Eyes. Sez he'll be back in November. SEBADOH: good pop/rock but too fucking loud. There's just no good reason to play this loud in front of people with perfectly good hearing. We left about five songs into their set 'cause we couldn't hear through the booming bass (plus our baby sitter was about to turn into a pumpkin). When we got to the car we tuned the radio to the frequency the show was being broadcast on and it sounded so much better...like actual music. FLAMING LIPS: missed 'em. Ask Nick or Chris. In summation: not a must see for Hitchcock fans. He seemed like pretty much a novelty act on this bill, though much of the crowd seemed to be there to see him. I wasn't expecting much, though, so I wasn't disapointed. I bought a couple of floating pens (they're 2 bucks cheaper on tour than they are from the museum), opted for the purple JFS shirt (wasn't really happy with either of the shirts they had, but I had T-shirt money so what the hell) and took home a few JFS stickers, one of which now decorates the right side panel of my iMac. - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 01:31:08 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: MABD/smoking >john, we noticed the cigarette thing too. it was kind of the running joke >for the entire weekend. the funniest thing was that they all looked so >*serious* whenever they'd light up. as if, if they wouldn't have been able >to smoke the cigarette at precisely that moment, they'd have to stop the >concert and send us all home prematurely. Don't lnow about the Lips, but prior to their appearance Robyn & Tim were the only act that didn't feature a cancer stick. IQU were SERIOUS smokers...almost as if the cigarettes were actually instruments. Sonic Boom lit one up...it was the most entertaining thing he did. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 01:27:24 -0700 From: "Livia" Subject: Re: Yea! RH content hidden (Y'know, RH is just RUSH with us missing...) > Subject: Yea! RH content hidden (Y'know, RH is just RUSH with us missing...) yeah, i'm just soooo GEDDY. ho. ho. > Date: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 2:59 PM > and Yippie! > > Livia (sorry, Live*eh*ahhhhhhh) is back! welcome back! > As someone who only gets the digest Feg form, rather than each little email, > sometimes I am saddened to reach my lunch break or just a dull phone call and > call up my browser only to find that the digest hasn't arrived yet, cause you > all are too slow to post with your little lives getting in the way. But now, > with the triumphant return of Livia, I will get digests a coupla times per > day. Oh happy medium... oh anticipatory oracle. or something along those lines. > free from the hundred color coded gates, let loose upon the 82 monochrome > keys (well and my computer has a green clitoris too, but if I reveal too > much personally, it will start to censor my mail) (let's just say she loves > it when I type without looking and have to go back to correct myriad > mistakes, talk about yer cybersex...) that's so damn naughty that i'm not even going to contaminate a void with it. > and then i ******** ** ***** ***** ***** laura *** ****** ******* anty man > *** ***** no. you fill in the next bit, you lazy pig. > stop that, OK wait, let me go back and find a typo, oops, can't reach it, > whoa way too far, cursor trails, cursing tails, ahhhhhh, where was I? cacti. babe. > Oh yeah, Livia's back. get a good divorce lawyer, or The Man will get your > Robyn records. then you'll have to spend the rest of the day at 11:44 on eBay > trying to sell your poetry for a limited edition lime green T-shirt of > Aragorn dressed as Wallace Shawn. Whose dad ran the New Yorker, but not the > whole state. She's got a reply key and she's not afraid to use it, people, so > back up and hand over all the lupins you've got. I happen to know that this > is the Bright Fresh Flower express, and that you take all major credit cards. > the surreal posse will rise again, like that creepy Unforgiven movie, and > take away my poetic license, so I must away to the Solace of Ultimate > Fortitude. It's in a corn flakes box, don't cha know. mmmmm, kryptocrunchy... raspberry geese to you, babe > tell us about your new movie, Sir O'Livia. er. well, it had a sheer heart attack soundtrack and a babe in a mini-kilt and someone playing rrh, or at least his invisibility hat. > dave > who looks to be done with work for the day. > anybody got the want ads with 'em. I'm gonna look for a new job in the Missed > Connections section. they're all about me.... yep ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 01:43:24 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: EJ's triangle ><< elizabeth jade: reminds me of some groovy zimmerman. can't get that >image of them in the garage out of my head now. what is the triangle? love? > pink? bermuda? >> > > Yeah, I was wondering about this, too. This might be reaching, but, due >to all the sexuality on the album, maybe it's Antwoman's cleavage! I am reminded of a trip to spring training in 1984 when one of my drunken buddies responded to a flirtatious gesture from the girls in the car next to us by shouting "show us your triangle!" In that case he was referring to the triangular patch of hair in the crotchetorial area and it's hard for me to believe this could be about anything else. Unless it's a KFJC sticker. - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 01:53:19 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: geek fan wish for 2000 Wouldn't a 20th anniversary issue of Underwater Moonlight be huge? Big ol box set with outtakes included and a picture filled 50 page booklet explaining how it all went down. And a big reunion concert to promote it, featuring the UM lineup playing every song on the original LP in order like it was a big rock opera or something. That's what I wanna see. - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 05:18:54 -0700 From: "Livia" Subject: Re: EJ's triangle > ><< elizabeth jade: reminds me of some groovy zimmerman. can't get that > >image of them in the garage out of my head now. what is the triangle? love? > > pink? bermuda? >> > > > > Yeah, I was wondering about this, too. This might be reaching, but, due > >to all the sexuality on the album, maybe it's Antwoman's cleavage! > > I am reminded of a trip to spring training in 1984 when one of my drunken > buddies responded to a flirtatious gesture from the girls in the car next to > us by shouting "show us your triangle!" In that case he was referring to > the triangular patch of hair in the crotchetorial area and it's hard for me > to believe this could be about anything else. Unless it's a KFJC sticker. > > -rUss in silver and blue, even woop! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:19:23 -0500 (EST) From: michelle wiener Subject: Re: Which one's Pink? On Wed, 28 Jul 1999 MARKEEFE@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/27/99 8:03:31 PM, Susan writes: > > << It's a triangle somewhat south of cleavage ;). >> > > Yeah, thanks -- Michelle emailed me the same interpretation. earlier that night, i needed to explain what "trim" referred to. it was a euphemistic night filled with strange karma. > Now all we need to do is disect "I got Lucas fruits, zoons, Barney, Pat > Pat Saturday"! :-) Um, that line's not related to one's naughty bits, too, > is it? unless "pat pat saturday" refers to a threesome. otherwise, this lyric just makes me think, "kitsch." why? 'cause. cheers, michelle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:45:55 -0400 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: My take... To start off: I like it. It hits the spot, trying to fill a big ole void. Before the play-by-play: 1.) Lizzy's Triangle: definitely pink. 2.) Question: Anyone know if Tim Keegan is any relation to author John Keegan? I've just begun his newest ("The First World War" to those giving a toss...) and I really hadn't any idea. The dustcover says he's from Wiltshire. 3.) The art (and context....): I'm happy. I remember something of a throw-back from psych 101 that purple is a signifier of sexual frustration. Any takers? The disc is loaded with innuendo and direct relationship references--more directly so than anything else in current memory. IFB, Sweet Mouth, Sally, Antwoman, Elizabeth Jade, Dark Princess, Sophia--and that doesn't even look at the subtext which is thinly veiling a smoldering pot of sexual desires and talk of fruition. After having heard most of these played live and pretty much solo for quite a while now, it's a treat to hear them given a slightly deeper treatment. Mexican God: As most have noted, it's a good opener. While there's been some prater about the failing of his voice, it seems that while he's lost a touch of the range (or at least range on demand, as is seen in some of the shows over the past two or so years), he's growing older in a distinguished way and seems comfortable with it. The inflection transmitted with the lines is truly on. Brilliant. Probably the closest to ME as he comes on the disc. Cheese Alarm: When going to the CDnow site and listening to their version of this I was thinking "what the hell is that?" as they only played the intro guitar-bit. It's rampant with a great Moroccan feel I wasn't expecting at all. Sea-Tac: When I saw him perform it at the Backstage out there in the Rainy State I thought it was timely and quaint...when he played it in New York and then in Brighton later that year I was truly surprised, giving it a legitimacy I wasn't expecting. The legacy of legitimacy continues as it surfaces on the disc. I find myself liking it more and more. I Feel Beautiful: Charming. So much subtle depth has been lent to this one by the percussion Sweet Mouth: For a number of years I toiled in Retail Art Supply Hell and would routinely subject the customers to RH--Element of Light was a regular--and on at least two occasions I had 40-somehtings ask me which John Lennon record it was I was listening to. This one is the first of the Lennon vibes I got off the record. Again, after having seen him live so often, this isn't too far away from how I had imagined it. NASA: It gives you the impression that this guy could have been in a band called the Soft Boys. Sally: From a one minute vignette to 2:31...Give me time on this one. Antwoman: I still have wickedly good feelings for this one, though I can't put my finger on why. Maybe it's because of the word "punky" and the mention of a girl who "measures your neck." Elizabeth: Not much has changed.... Guildford: The outstanding track for me. I loved it the first time I heard it and if anything I'm more enchanted than before. It's tracks like this that are the reason I like him so much. Dark Princess: "Seven minutes and you're released." Hmmmmm..... JfS: The guitar hook is infectious and it's the track, I would think, has a chance at limited airplay. Probably one of the better written tracks, no? Hoot Hoot (for lack of a better name): Lennonesque #2 in a sort of Robyn-does-the-White-Album sort of way. Gene Hackman: It still makes me chuckle. I agree with Ken, though, in that I could have hoped for something a bit furhter afield than this as a hidden track. Anyone have any idea what the content of the B-sides/unreleased album is going to consist of? 1974, probably. Studio Hackman? > Ferris Scott Thomas > programmer > > (860) 409-2612 > McGraw-Hill Technology Division > Farmington, CT > mailto:ferris_thomas@mcgraw-hill.com (work) > mailto:ferris@snet.net (home) > http://pages.cthome.net/hellhollow/ > Find out the cause of this effect, Or rather say, the cause of this defect, For this effect defective comes by cause. Shakespeare. Hamlet, Act ii. Sc. 2 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:17:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Woodstock Seen on Wired news: "It's been a bad week for all things Woodstock. First the riots, and now this: Rydwyn Davies, a 21-year-old actor portraying Sir Henry Greene in an Elizabethan drama called Thomas of Woodstock, got himself skewered during a sword fight when he failed to step out of the way of his opponent's thrust. Although the blade was rounded and dull, it still punched a two-inch hole in Davies, who managed to walk offstage and was driven to a nearby hospital where he was treated and released. Fortunately, Sir Henry Greene, was supposed to die anyway, so the Hampshire Shakespeare Company went on with the show." ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:16:57 -0400 From: "Chaney, Dolph L" Subject: RE: Woodstock GREAT. I live in Woodstock, Georgia. Actually, it's pretty much always a bad time to be here. I'm hoping to escape soon. GREAT. Dolph ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:26:43 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: MABD/SF On 7/28/99 1:15 AM, Russ Reynolds wrote: >took home a few JFS stickers, one of which now decorates the >right side panel of my iMac. Ordinarily I would scream "Desecration!!", but in this case... - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:19:26 -0700 From: "Livia" Subject: Re: MABD/SF and all i have on my dear old 486 is a discipline sticker, a skyline college sticker, a smiley catty, a couple of stars, a generic cadd power user (despite never having actually used the damn thing), and a disk label with viv's phone numbr and a bunch of boring old passwords and shit. poooor little me - ---------- > From: Tom Clark > To: Russ Reynolds ; fegmaniax > Subject: Re: MABD/SF > Date: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 9:26 AM > > On 7/28/99 1:15 AM, Russ Reynolds wrote: > > >took home a few JFS stickers, one of which now decorates the > >right side panel of my iMac. > > Ordinarily I would scream "Desecration!!", but in this case... > > -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:21:44 -0700 From: "Livia" Subject: Re: EJ's triangle yeah, but what does kfjc stand for? king fucker jacques crimson aka villeneuve, perhaps? - ---------- > From: Livia > To: Russ Reynolds ; fegmaniax@smoe.org > Subject: Re: EJ's triangle > Date: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 5:18 AM > > > ><< elizabeth jade: reminds me of some groovy zimmerman. can't get that > > >image of them in the garage out of my head now. what is the triangle? love? > > > pink? bermuda? >> > > > > > > Yeah, I was wondering about this, too. This might be reaching, but, due > > >to all the sexuality on the album, maybe it's Antwoman's cleavage! > > > > I am reminded of a trip to spring training in 1984 when one of my drunken > > buddies responded to a flirtatious gesture from the girls in the car next to > > us by shouting "show us your triangle!" In that case he was referring to > > the triangular patch of hair in the crotchetorial area and it's hard for me > > to believe this could be about anything else. Unless it's a KFJC sticker. > > > > -rUss > > in silver and blue, even > > woop! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:23:20 -0700 From: "Livia" Subject: Re: SF in-store KCRW? king crap rhodents weasels and other alia? - ---------- > From: Chris Franz > To: fegmaniax@smoe.org > Subject: SF in-store > Date: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 5:06 PM > > Just back from Robyn's in-store at Open Mind in the Haight. Excellent > set. I didn't write down what was played, but from memory: > > Bass > Chinese Bones > > Queen Elvis > DeChirico St. > Viva! Sea-Tac > I Feel Beautiful > Sally Was A Legend > Jewels For Sophia > > Robyn looked a little tired and impatient, but was in fine form > nonetheless. Included were a few nice little rambles, including a bit > in the middle of Bass about how the song wasn't about a fish at all, but > rather some sort of strange schoolmarm that couldn't breathe like normal > people did. Or something. Also a nice bit about the whole solid > objects subject matter of DeChirico Street. > > Bits of news: I asked Robyn about the 31st, and he mentioned the KCRW > thing and that he and Tim would crash Grant Lee Phillips' set at Largo > that night. But he wouldn't have his own show. Also, he indicated he'd > have his own tour in the autumn, which he defined as November. Also an > outtakes album (only available at shows and "the museum of me") should > be out then, and I got the impression it would be on CD, not vinyl. > > How long has Tim's hair been that red? > > Anyway, a fun show. Met up briefly with Carrie, Dan Poppe, and John > "discography" Relph. > > Gotta get ready for the Fillmore! More later. > > - Chris > > http://reality.sgi.com/relph/music/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:39:29 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Thank you, Livia Livia, before you arrived here on fegmaniax, most of my posts seemed, well, obscure and without center or direction. (This is not to say that my posts have suddenly been grokked, or readable by even the most unabridged spell-checker.) Many clever, smart, fun people who have impeccable taste would avoid reading my occluded prose, casting it into the "read later" pile and then into the trash after giving up on the kind of emotional committment required to ocularly ingest such byzantine literary alphabet soup. I received mail from people who said they could only understand my messages after receiving self-inflicted massive head injuries. Unfortunately, this is not a sure-fire way to gain the "knowledge" present in said posts, and would seem to be inadvisable due to the weighing of gains versus losses analysis. With you here, the entire community of surreal posse (and it's surreal deputees and surreal steeds and surreal outlaws) may all have reason to feel slightly more at ease. Professor Fane may actually go into the light of day. Dave Lang might stop being so down under. And the whole weird word goo thing might be making Russ "Bucky" Reynolds post several times a day. This is probably all good. It is great to know that the few of us whose threads of connection to this bizarre physical world are dangerously frayed have company. I thank you. My producer and director thank you. The academy thanks you. Wishing y'all all the best, - -Markg StanRidgwayStanRidgwayStanRidgwayStanRidgwayStanRidgwayStanRidgway ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:47:04 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: EJ's triangle On 7/28/99 10:21 AM, Livia wrote: >yeah, but what does kfjc stand for? king fucker jacques crimson >aka villeneuve, perhaps? Actually it stands for "Best Fucking College Radio Station On The Planet". - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:05:31 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: RH in NYC in 1986? During my week-long bender in the Big Apple last week, I was talking to some friends who insisted they saw The Egyptians at The Ritz in the fall of '86. The Glass Hotel gig database only has these listings, so I was wondering if anyone knew exactly what date the Ritz show was. I'm assuming it was around the Tower/NYU appearances. Sat 29 Mar 1986 Robyn Hitchcock & the Egyptians Irving Plaza Thu 30 Oct 1986 Robyn Hitchcock & the Egyptians Tower Records Fri 31 Oct 1986 Robyn Hitchcock & the Egyptians WNYU - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:43:14 EDT From: SIMON50@aol.com Subject: LA - at Rhino Does anyone know the details of RH's rumored appearance at Rhino Records? Is it the Westwood Store, if so when? Will he be playing as at the scheduled Starbucks appearance? If this is something I've just missed on the list and it's too boring too post, please email me privately. It would be much appreciated. simon50@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:58:01 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: RH in NYC in 1986? >During my week-long bender in the Big Apple last week, I was talking to >some friends who insisted they saw The Egyptians at The Ritz in the fall >of '86. The Glass Hotel gig database only has these listings, so I was >wondering if anyone knew exactly what date the Ritz show was. I'm >assuming it was around the Tower/NYU appearances. > >Sat 29 Mar 1986 Robyn Hitchcock & the Egyptians Irving >Plaza >Thu 30 Oct 1986 Robyn Hitchcock & the Egyptians Tower >Records >Fri 31 Oct 1986 Robyn Hitchcock & the Egyptians WNYU > >-tc Why, I can answer that question by making TGQ look at the back of my "Respect" shirt which I'm wearing right now!!! 5/19/93 at The Ritz, which is referred to as "The Yiptz" on this shirt. And I was at this show. It was the last time I saw Robyn with the Egyptians, I do believe... a great show. Morris was in particularly good form, especially when they did "Wafflehead". Does anyone have a tape of this show? How funny! lj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:07:45 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: RH in NYC in 1986? >>During my week-long bender in the Big Apple last week, I was talking to >>some friends who insisted they saw The Egyptians at The Ritz in the fall >>of '86. The Glass Hotel gig database only has these listings, so I was >>wondering if anyone knew exactly what date the Ritz show was. I'm >>assuming it was around the Tower/NYU appearances. >> >>Sat 29 Mar 1986 Robyn Hitchcock & the Egyptians Irving >>Plaza >>Thu 30 Oct 1986 Robyn Hitchcock & the Egyptians Tower >>Records >>Fri 31 Oct 1986 Robyn Hitchcock & the Egyptians WNYU >> >>-tc > >Why, I can answer that question by making TGQ look at the back of my >"Respect" shirt which I'm wearing right now!!! 5/19/93 at The Ritz, which >is referred to as "The Yiptz" on this shirt. And I was at this show. It >was the last time I saw Robyn with the Egyptians, I do believe... a great >show. Morris was in particularly good form, especially when they did >"Wafflehead". Does anyone have a tape of this show? > >How funny! > >lj oh duuhh...I just realized you said the fall of 1986. Sorry, that was before I was born. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:27:27 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: Woodstock >Seen on Wired news: > >"It's been a bad week for all things Woodstock. First the riots, and now >this: Rydwyn Davies, a 21-year-old actor portraying Sir Henry Greene in an >Elizabethan drama called Thomas of Woodstock, got himself skewered during >a sword fight when he failed to step out of the way of his opponent's >thrust. Although the blade was rounded and dull, it still punched a >two-inch hole in Davies, who managed to walk offstage and was driven to a >nearby hospital where he was treated and released. Fortunately, Sir Henry >Greene, was supposed to die anyway, so the Hampshire Shakespeare Company >went on with the show." This would be a good time to resurrect the nice big argument that that bleedin-heart-tree-huggin-gee-I-miss-Jerry-hippie TGQ and I had about the riots at Woodstock. I thought it was HILARIOUS, frankly speaking. "Summer of love" my ass! It's nothing but a Nike commercial now (and a Sony commercial, and an AT&T commercial, and oh for christ's sake did you remember to call 1-800-FUCKING-COLLECT??) Do you blame the crowd for being anything other than reverent? I mean, it wasn't like they were smashing up Farmer Joe's farm, they were smashing up the Big Corporate Cocksuckers' trucks full of overpriced crap which had been shoved down their throats for the last four days! I mean, who hasn't wanted to fucking RIOT when you're stuck at a show and have to pay $4 for a Coke and $6 for a hot dog? And hey, if you stand in this line for 2.5 hours, we'll let you play 15 free minutes of Playstation! It was almost like, well, you have no respect for US, why should we have respect for any of your greedy consumerist CRAP? lj, off to attack some ATM machines ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:46:23 -0700 From: "Livia" Subject: Re: Thank you, Livia and thank you! my zippet is stuck, and i have no car, so i must scream - ---------- > From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com > To: fegmaniax@smoe.org > Subject: Thank you, Livia > Date: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 10:39 AM > > > > Livia, before you arrived here on fegmaniax, most of my posts seemed, > well, obscure and without center or direction. (This is not to say that > my posts have suddenly been grokked, or readable by even the most > unabridged spell-checker.) Many clever, smart, fun people who have > impeccable taste would avoid reading my occluded prose, casting it into > the "read later" pile and then into the trash after giving up on the > kind of emotional committment required to ocularly ingest such > byzantine literary alphabet soup. I received mail from people who said > they could only understand my messages after receiving self-inflicted > massive head injuries. Unfortunately, this is not a sure-fire way to > gain the "knowledge" present in said posts, and would seem to be > inadvisable due to the weighing of gains versus losses analysis. > > With you here, the entire community of surreal posse (and it's surreal > deputees and surreal steeds and surreal outlaws) may all have reason to > feel slightly more at ease. Professor Fane may actually go into the > light of day. Dave Lang might stop being so down under. And the whole > weird word goo thing might be making Russ "Bucky" Reynolds post several > times a day. This is probably all good. > > It is great to know that the few of us whose threads of connection to > this bizarre physical world are dangerously frayed have company. I > thank you. My producer and director thank you. The academy thanks you. > > Wishing y'all all the best, > -Markg > > StanRidgwayStanRidgwayStanRidgwayStanRidgwayStanRidgwayStanRidgway > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:55:46 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Woodstock >This would be a good time to resurrect the nice big argument that that >bleedin-heart-tree-huggin-gee-I-miss-Jerry-hippie TGQ and I had about the >riots at Woodstock. Now that Sister LJ has testified, step way for Brother Quail: Just to clarify, in no way at all do I bear the delusion that Woodstock is some mystical torch that needs to be passed on; and I, too, am sick of both the Boomer's nostalgic crap as well as the cynicism and marketing associated with modern rock festivals. But LJ paints me above as a starry-eyed hippy, which is not entirely true -- I hate the Woodstock myth almost as much as her. (But I do miss Jerry. Sigh.) OK -- So it was overhyped and overcommercialized and really expensive and the accomodations were lacking. Wow, what a shock! But at the end of the day, I do not think it gives any excuse for a bunch of assholes to destroy what is not theirs and suddenly create a threatening environment. No one made them buy a ticket, and if they thought conditions would be much better, they were pretty naive. (Although if you want to see how to hold a huge rock fest and do it *right,* check out Phish's "Clifford Ball/Grent Went" shows.) If they really wanted to protest the commercialism and the consummerism, they could have done it with nonviolence and non-participation. But they chose violence and riot, which only hurts things in the long run -- especially after the Columbine massacre, our society is all too eager to blame music for violence. The main reason that I protest these riots is very simple -- it makes music fans look bad, it gives music a worse reputation, and it only hurts their -- OUR -- cause. You think hot dog prices are going to suddenly drop? Fuck no, the response of the Man will be simple -- less big concerts, more prohibitive ticket prices, and BEEFED UP SECURITY, which as every Deadhead knows, brings out the biggest assholes of society and places them in yellow parkas. Not to mention the fact that riots are unstable and dangerous, and it doesn't take much to go from beating ATM machines to beating people. What if some kids would have been killed? Doesn't rock music have a bad enough rep right now as it is? And especially with the Boomers in office, seeing "us" trample their sacred rock-n-roll Agincourt. Watch how quickly Tipper fucking Gore would have turned around and pussywhipped her husband into speaking out against modern music, kids, rock shows, etc. I don't need that. Additionally, though I can sympathize with the *protesters* -- especially given the fact that they were expecting a huge supergroup to end the show, didn't get it, and then the Rave was cancelled on top of that! -- I still don't think that translates into knocking over speaker stands, busting ATM machines, and looting hardware trucks. That's not protest, that is, in respective order, wanton vandalism, bank robbing, and pure fucking naked GREED. If no one buys tickets for these events, the Man will get a stronger message. But people are so often weak and stupid, and I have a feeling that some of these frat boys and punk-ass dickheads just wanted a party with lots of fire and noise -- hey, they did it in LA! $6 hot dog protest, my ass. - --Quail ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society, Kibroth-hattaavah Branch) For fun with postmodern literature, New York vampires, and Fegmania, visit Sarnath: http://www.rpg.net/quail "With the quail you had to stay on the move... Quail was king. Only the quail exploded upward into the sky and made your heart bang away so madly in your ribcage." --Tom Wolfe ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #275 *******************************