From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #256 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, July 18 1999 Volume 08 : Number 256 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Stump the Indie Know-It-All! [dmw ] Re: speaking of foul spew... [S Dwarf ] Re: speaking of foul spew... [Eb ] Re: speaking of foul spew... [Joel Mullins ] Re: Stump the Indie Know-It-All! ["Chris!" ] all tapers unite! ["John B. Jones" ] Re: speaking of foul spew... [Eleanore Adams ] Re: seven in one blow... ["D B" ] Just need to talk.... [Eleanore Adams ] Re: Just need to talk.... ["D B" ] Re: Just need to talk.... ["D B" ] Re: speaking of foul spew... [Terrence M Marks ] Pride and joy, etc. [Eb ] digest V8 #255 ["Marc Holden" ] Re: speaking of foul spew... [normal@grove.ufl.edu] Re: smoking ["Russ Reynolds" ] Re: speaking of foul stew... [Bayard ] Re: all tapers unite! ["Capitalism Blows" ] Re: smoking [ultraconformist@mail.weboffices.com] tonight's MABD--the word is, "burstish" [DDerosa5@aol.com] in the stores ["Capitalism Blows" ] Re: speaking of foul spew... [S Dwarf ] Re: Pride and joy, etc. [S Dwarf ] JfS review from the SF comical [S Dwarf ] Jewels cover & reviews ["Russ Reynolds" ] Re: speaking of foul stew... [Jon Fetter ] Amazon review ["Russ Reynolds" ] Re: speaking of foul spew... ["Ariel Green" ] Re: speaking of foul stew... [Terrence M Marks ] Re: speaking of foul stew... [Bayard ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 19:31:12 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: Stump the Indie Know-It-All! On Thu, 15 Jul 1999, Gene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > Anyway, on their web site is a fun > game: Stump the Indie Know-It-All, which takes you through a bunch of hah! i got the same as aaron and Eb. i feel indie-enough now. - -- d. np jellybricks _soap opera_ - - "seventeen!" cried the humbug, always first with the wrong answer. - - oh no!! you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net dmw@mwmw.com - - get yr pathos:www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 19:37:01 -0400 (EDT) From: S Dwarf Subject: Re: speaking of foul spew... Joel Mullins wrote: > Capitalism Blows wrote: >> another is the cig manufacturers' *intentional* >> (it's in their internal documents) holding back of >> information regarding the health effects of >> smoking. > Oh, come on. I don't care what they hold back. > Anyone who is not aware of the dangers of smoking has > either been in a coma for the last twenty years or is > too stupid to even light a cigarette in the first > place. You can't go one day in this country without > hearing about the evils of cigarettes, alcohol, and > other drugs. this is certainly true now, but even into the 50's you had respected news anchors doing ciggy adds, talking about how good they could be for you, et cetera, so at least for those who became addicted before then, i can certainly feel they are due some compensation (especially since this was back when "experts" were far more trusted than they are today, even though they didn't deserve it; it was a more naive, errr innocent era). and also, considering that nicotine level in cigarrettes have been boosted over the years, the tobacco cartels have gone out of their way to make their product more addictive. not a reason to ban them, but a reason to crucify tobacco execs. >> another is marketing specifically to children. > So I assume you think that a 16 year old kid is too > immature to make a decision about whether or not to > smoke. except these kids aren't starting smoking at 16. they are starting at 13. or younger. > If that's truly the case, then why the fuck are we > giving them driver's licenses? A shitload of > children don't even live long enough to die from > smoking because of some immature 16 year old's > reckless driving. In fact, auto accidents is the > leading cause of death among teenagers. well, i've always said change the driving age to 21 and the drinking age to 16. well, not always; only since i turned 21. >> another is using the u.s. government (here we go >> with the corporate welfare again) to pry open >> overseas markets. > I don't know anything about this. >> but i am saying that if tobacco and alcohol are >> legal, so should be any other drug. > I definitely agree with this, especially as far as > marijuana is concerned. I'm not sure about crack and > things like that. That seems a little excessive, but > I'm willing to listen to arguments and consider > it. Also, I don't think you can lump alcohol and > cigarettes in the same category. My smoking doesn't > put anyone at risk except me. But if I down a bottle > of scotch and then drive home, I'm putting all kinds > of people in danger. well, people (waitresses) in smoke filled bars are certainly put at risk with second hand smoke (though, yeah, the risks are greatly exaggerating for the general public). and in the case of drunk driving, it's not the alcohol that puts people at risk; it's the asshole who can't be bothered to call a goddamn cab. >> and that they shouldn't be subsidised up the >> cornhole. and that *all* "ingredients" must be >> listed. and that if other countries don't want our >> crap, it's their business. > This all seems reasonable. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 16:51:08 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: speaking of foul spew... >Anyone who is not aware >of the dangers of smoking... >is too stupid to even light a cigarette in the first place. Well, that's sort of a paradoxical comment, since lighting a cigarette requires even greater stupidity. ;) >So I assume you think that a 16 year old kid is too immature to make a >decision about whether or not to smoke. If that's truly the case, then >why the fuck are we giving them driver's licenses? Oh jesus. Check, please.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 19:28:52 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: speaking of foul spew... S Dwarf wrote: > except these kids aren't starting smoking at 16. they are starting at > 13. or younger. A lot of the blame for this can be put on the parents. I didn't start smoking until I was 20. My parents would've fucking killed me if they'd caught me smoking at 13...or 17. > well, i've always said change the driving age to 21 and the drinking > age to 16. well, not always; only since i turned 21. drinking - 16, driving - 18. People got to be able to drive once they get out of high school. > well, people (waitresses) in smoke filled bars are certainly put at > risk with second hand smoke So don't get a waitressing job. > and in the case of drunk driving, > it's not the alcohol that puts people at risk; it's the asshole who > can't be bothered to call a goddamn cab. True. - --Joel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 17:39:46 -0700 From: "Chris!" Subject: Re: Stump the Indie Know-It-All! dmw wrote: > > On Thu, 15 Jul 1999, Gene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > > > Anyway, on their web site is a fun > > game: Stump the Indie Know-It-All, which takes you through a bunch of > > hah! i got the same as aaron and Eb. i feel indie-enough now. I only got 17. Some of those were not really music related. I got a few literature ones that were a bit off. Not that I am complaining. .chris ------------------------------ Date: 17 Jul 1999 18:07:50 -0700 From: "John B. Jones" Subject: all tapers unite! i'm curious if anyone is planning on using the mabd headphone concert technology to their advantage by hooking a cable from the walkman to a recorder. has anyone tried this yet?? is it possible with the walkmans they provide?? =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 20:23:23 +0000 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: speaking of foul spew... > > well, people (waitresses) in smoke filled bars are certainly put at > > risk with second hand smoke > > So don't get a waitressing job. > I have not been home for two days and don't know if this was already mentioned, but here in CA there is no smoking in any bar or resteraunt. All bars are no smoking. When this passed a year ago somt though it would affect bars, but it really hasn't. People either break the law discreeetly (but bars are definately not smokey anymore) or go outside. people like their booze too much to stop going to bars. eleanore ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 20:55:17 PDT From: "D B" Subject: Re: seven in one blow... I smoke, and I wish to dog I could quit. It's a Bitch... And if the devil is six... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 20:58:47 +0000 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Just need to talk.... OK, it has never been mentioned here, but we do have some smokers on here....I went to the WWF kaboom last night and it was highly entertaining. This would be the World Wrestling Federation. To those who do not have 10 year old sons, this would be those costumed steroid guys who fake fighting every Monday night on USA cable network. I had a lot of fun. The croud was mostly white trash and hispanics, parents with kids. I screamed so hard I lost my voice today. You see there are good guys and bad guys and you cheer for your favorites. Now there is a lot of foul language and psudo violence, but all in fun. It is a plast to see parents and kids using the finger and shouting "you suck" together. When I have kids we are definately going (instead of chuch - you know that the bad guys do suck this week for sure!) We drank lots of booze, but all of us were non smokers, so none of us had to sneak outside on the stairs of the San Jose Area to puff. We did all have steak befroe the show, mine ultra rare, still clod in the middle, just the way I like it. Isn't America fun and beautiful! I even got to see the Rock's bare ass. And Cyna's bra top poped off, and that wasn't part of the script. eleanore ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 21:05:17 PDT From: "D B" Subject: Re: Just need to talk.... The croud was mostly white trash and hispanics, parents with >kids. I screamed so hard I lost my voice today. Then dog is seven... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 21:05:18 PDT From: "D B" Subject: Re: Just need to talk.... The croud was mostly white trash and hispanics, parents with >kids. I screamed so hard I lost my voice today. Then dog is seven... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 01:10:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: speaking of foul spew... On Sat, 17 Jul 1999, Joel Mullins wrote: > Capitalism Blows wrote: > > > 99% (literally) of all drug deaths are > > caused by cigarettes and alcohol. > > This is not a good reason to make cigarettes illegal. If I want to kill > myself by smoking, I should have the right to do that. Why? > So I assume you think that a 16 year old kid is too immature to make a > decision about whether or not to smoke. If that's truly the case, then > why the fuck are we giving them driver's licenses? A shitload of > children don't even live long enough to die from smoking because of some > immature 16 year old's reckless driving. In fact, auto accidents is the > leading cause of death among teenagers. You can't compare the two accurately. Driving, as you may have noticed, isn't addictive. I have no illusions about how mature I was back then and don't think that targetting youth for chemical dependance is a particularly nice thing. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 22:12:17 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Pride and joy, etc. Eleanore: >psudo violence >It is a plast >When I have kids we are definately going >(instead of chuch > >We drank lots of booze Haven't quite sobered up yet, eh? ;) Eb PS Amusing thing I saw on CNN tonight: They were somberly profiling John-John's wife's background, and had dug up her high school yearbook. There was a large photo of her relaxing under a tree, with a caption underneath. The newscaster read the caption reverently...so poetic. Wow, what a thoughtful, profound woman she was. Check her beautiful poetry. But there was one small problem: the newsfolk didn't realize that the caption in question was nothing but a lyric quote from Pink Floyd's "Breathe" (off Dark Side of the Moon). Ha! It's always a bit sickening to see the news shows making themselves foolish in these situations, in their bloodlust to fill airtime with insubstantial material. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 16:43:24 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: digest V8 #255 I scrolled through the last digest too quickly due to some smokey spew (okay Eb and Joel, enough already, take it outside guys), did I miss something about a Dead Kennedy's reunion? Marc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 01:37:52 -0400 (EDT) From: normal@grove.ufl.edu Subject: Re: speaking of foul spew... On Sat, 17 Jul 1999, Eb wrote: > ...must not compare smoking with Christianity...must not compare > smoking with Christianity....) ..must not bring up Rastafarianism...must not bring up Rastafarianism... Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://grove.ufl.edu/~normal normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 22:52:53 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: smoking I generally stay out of arguments on this subject because many of my good friends smoke. I am tolerant of them and they are respectful of me. But the "I'm entitled" attitude that a good number of smokers take really pisses me off. I'm quoting various people below and I haven't checked for names so don't take any of this personally. Smiley faces are being withheld until the end. >No. I measure everything by comfort. I like to be comfortable. And >having the freedom to smoke is a part of being comfortable for me. So >is being able to drink beer, cross my legs, yawn, curse, and many other >things. Fine. But when you being comfortable makes others uncomfortable that's just rude and selfish. Maybe I feel comfortable peeing on your pant leg. You okay with that? Probably not. So out of respect for you I'll go to the urinal. There's a law against urinating on other people's pant legs in public (at least I'm pretty sure there is) because it makes other people uncomfortable. There's a law against shooting people because it makes them uncomfortable. You could argue that all laws are made to prevent people from making other people uncomfortable. Add anti-smoking laws to the list and learn to live with it. Incidentally, I don't like it when people curse in front of my six year old either. Show some consideration for others. >And if you find the smoke noxious, don't go >where people smoke. How hard is that? Here's a better idea...don't smoke where people go. How hard is that? >If I smoke in my own home, it has no effect >on you. right you are. >If I smoke on a street corner and it's bothering you, move. Okay, I can handle that I guess...in the interest of keeping the peace. Or you could ask if anyone minds before you light up...in the interest of keeping the peace. Depends on how self-absorbed you want to be. >And no-smoking laws in bars is just ridiculous. Why? People go to bars to drink. That's why some of them have that neon cocktail glass above the door. If I see a neon cigarette above the door I'll go to another establishment. Just because 75% of the people who drink also smoke doesn't mean they have to do it at the expense of the 25% who don't. >And we're getting off the real issue here. You definitely have the >right to your opinion that smoking is idiotic. But that doesn't mean >you or the government has the right to tell me what I can and can't do. The government has the right to tell you what you can and can't do to others. That's the reason we have a government. Granted, there are some ridiculous laws about things people do in the privacy of their own homes but so far smoking isn't one of them. So go ahead and smoke all you want in your own space, just don't ruin mine. I'm all for any law that prevents you from making me uncomfortable. >This is not a good reason to make cigarettes illegal. If I want to kill >myself by smoking, I should have the right to do that. I think so too. I'd rather you were considerate enough keep it out of my space, though. >My smoking doesn't put anyone at risk except me. To me it's not even about that. It's just about being respectful of others...a practice that seems to be fading to oblivion these days with regards to just about everything. I blame this unfortunate trend on irresponsible parenting. But that's a whole 'nother subject. :) - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 03:43:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: speaking of foul stew... On Sun, 18 Jul 1999, Terrence M Marks wrote: > > This is not a good reason to make cigarettes illegal. If I want to kill > > myself by smoking, I should have the right to do that. > > Why? natural selection? > You can't compare the two accurately. Driving, as you may have noticed, > isn't addictive. mmm, I dunno... I've never been able to stop for any length of time... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 01:03:38 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: all tapers unite! yes, i'm planning on it! don't see why it wouldn't be possible, so long as there's a headphone jack. From: "John B. Jones" Reply-To: "John B. Jones" To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: all tapers unite! Date: 17 Jul 1999 18:07:50 -0700 i'm curious if anyone is planning on using the mabd headphone concert technology to their advantage by hooking a cable from the walkman to a recorder. has anyone tried this yet?? is it possible with the walkmans they provide?? =jbj= _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 03:06:38 -0600 From: ultraconformist@mail.weboffices.com Subject: Re: smoking >rude and selfish. Maybe I feel comfortable peeing on your pant leg. You >okay with that? Probably not. So out of respect for you I'll go to the >urinal. There's a law against urinating on other people's pant legs in >public (at least I'm pretty sure there is) because it makes other people >uncomfortable. I generally ask people around me if I wish to smoke around them (that is, if they are non-smokers or an unknown quantity, fellow smokers I don't ask obviously). So if they are fine with it, what is the problem? If someone asked if they could urinate on me, I would say no. So presumably they would go elsewhere to urinate. I have no idea why it would be offensive if both parties consented and all that. >There's a law against shooting people because it makes them >uncomfortable. Difference. Annoyed, uncomfortable, versus a bleeding wound. I've got a blistering nasty wound right now and believe me, it's worse than your second hand smoke annoyance. Do you have to cleanse your annoyance with hydrogen pyroxide twice a day? >I think so too. I'd rather you were considerate enough keep it out of my >space, though. And you keep your body odor, your over-appliance of cologne, your ugly clothes, your bad haircut, your singing Jimmy Buffet songs out loud, and anything else that might offend me out of my space too. The point being that every damn thing is offensive to someone, should there be laws about anything that might potentially irritate -anyone-? Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 04:05:41 EDT From: DDerosa5@aol.com Subject: tonight's MABD--the word is, "burstish" well, the EBHODD was a great success. Doc's Napoleon Et Chicken was fabulous, my Cheese Alarm plate was big hit, and Viv's Ice cream hands were way cool. Oh yea, and Gnat's Trout pate was good. Damn good. On the down side, my caulifower and mushroom casserole was Eh at best, and the chapatis sucked. Still, surely the finest Robyn-related meal chicago has seen in many a day. Oh, the show? Yeah, pretty good. After we got over to the Metro, I just caught the end of EAR. Cute, not important. Then, a PSA from consciousness guru John Searle. Weird, but fun. then Wayne Coyne intro'd Robyn, telling a story about driving into Chill with him (RH) having drunk a lot of water, ready to burst, but in his word not "burstish" til they got to Metro. Robyn came on, looking good, black shirt, flowery pants. Started with Gene, which I could've done without--why doesn't he start with Mexican God? It got laughs in all the right places, but so? After that, it got fun: I Something You, Viva Sea tac!, Autumn is your Last chance (tremolo was a bit off, but fun to hear live), Only the Stones remain (yes baby, it rocked), Freeze (fun to watch his fingers, but to me this is a quintessential Egyptians song--I miss Morris's drums...), and an encore of Queen of eyes. Good set, way too goddamn short. Fun watching RH on the camera mounted on top of a mic stand. Sebadoh, yeah, OK. I mean, as long as Lou is singing, they're interesting, but when the bassist sings, yawn. I'm gonna bring a sign to tomorrow's show that says, "More Robyn, Less Sebadoh". It just seems to me, it should be full band, solo guy, last full band, if only to cut down on setup time. Flaming Lips. first half, great. new album sounds good, but older stuff suffers. She Don't Use Jelly still fun, but it felt like a TMBG show with them playing along to the tape. Wayne playing the gong was fun for about a minute. Viv and Gnat both thought he (WC) was "hotter" than Robyn (and what do I know as a het male?), but as intense as he is, he seemed predictable... I look forward to tomorrow's show, and especially to the instore. Brunch is at my house---we're making waffle-heads! and eating a ton of leftovers, including Viv's ripe bananas in syrup that didn't get done yesterday. It was quite cool finally meeting Susan, Doc, Zloduska, and Dolph and Becca (who are sleeping in the next room as I type this). I still hope to meet some new folks tomorrow, like Hedblade--and where the hell is JH3 when you need him? the headphones add nothing, by the way--but they do help function as earplugs, ironically. Robyn's t-shirts are a cool color, I think (lime green with trim), but it's just Michele's very non-inspiring cover art. there are tank tops for women and buff men--I'd look awful in it. No CDs on sale yet. maybe at the instore? see y'all. dave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 01:19:37 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: in the stores somebody please, please, please tape the instore on sunday! i think it's especially important to get the instores on this tour, as the gigs proper are so fucking short. hey michael, why don't you line up an appearance at discover music next week? _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 09:17:51 -0400 (EDT) From: S Dwarf Subject: Re: speaking of foul spew... Joel Mullins wrote: > S Dwarf wrote: >> well, people (waitresses) in smoke filled bars are >> certainly put at risk with second hand smoke > So don't get a waitressing job. well, i'd have to have some major reconstruction work done to be a waitress (i should have waiters or waitresses, but has anyone ever seen a waiter in a bar?), but then you put people with poor/low job skills into the position of either having to inhale lots of second hand smoke to have a job OR be on welfare. and as newt has told us all, no one lower than someone on welfare (except not really, but that's another can of bees). personally i actually do think that disallowing smoking in all bars is bordering on ludicrous (there is an exception in the CA law by the way; if the only workers are the [co-]owners, smoking can be permitted), but i am definitely sympathetic to why it's been taken to such an extreme. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 09:33:26 -0400 (EDT) From: S Dwarf Subject: Re: Pride and joy, etc. Eb wrote: > PS Amusing thing I saw on CNN tonight: They were > somberly profiling John-John's wife's background, and > had dug up her high school yearbook. There was a > large photo of her relaxing under a tree, with a > caption underneath. The newscaster read the caption > reverently...so poetic. Wow, what a thoughtful, > profound woman she was. Check her beautiful poetry. > But there was one small problem: the newsfolk didn't > realize that the caption in question was nothing but > a lyric quote from Pink Floyd's "Breathe" (off > Dark Side of the Moon). Ha! It's always a bit > sickening to see the news shows making themselves > foolish in these situations, in their bloodlust to > fill airtime with insubstantial material. MSNBC said it was her college yearbook, but they did mention it being a PF quote. didn't say what it was though. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 10:08:06 -0400 (EDT) From: S Dwarf Subject: JfS review from the SF comical 3 stars (of 5; "good") ROBYN HITCHCOCK, Jewels for Sophia, Warner Bros., $16.98 "Oh please, somebody ring the cheese alarm," pleads Robyn Hitchcock early on "Jewels for Sophia." Since we never know where the eccentric British singer/ songwriter finds his inspiration, "The Cheese larm" could literally be a rallying cry for dairy foods. More likely, it's a cryptic indictment of superficial contemporary pop, coming from an artist who has championed the classic psychedelic folk-rock tradition for nearly two decades. He loses none of his charm or lyrical wit here, spinning out faithfully swaying tracks like "I Feel Beautiful" and "Antwoman." - -- Aidin Vaziri _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 08:41:48 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Jewels cover & reviews Amazon.com has a shot of the cover... http://www.amazon.com/covers/B/00/000/JLM/B00000JLMC.l.gif they've also got a review and are selling the CD for a buck less than CD now. BTW, I've come across very few reviews so far. Usually we start seeing those a week before release but I've seen nothing in print yet. - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 23:59:26 +0800 From: Jon Fetter Subject: Re: speaking of foul stew... >On Sun, 18 Jul 1999, Terrence M Marks wrote: > >> > This is not a good reason to make cigarettes illegal. If I want to kill >> > myself by smoking, I should have the right to do that. >> >> Why? > >natural selection? > The top cigarette brand in Taiwan is the locally produced "Long Life." They also produce a brand called "Long Life Lights," which I guess are for those who don't want such a long life. It used to be that every time I went to see a movie here, some jerk would sit in the back and smoke. Fortunately the theaters have finally realized that fire and theaters don't mix and have recently started to enforce their no-smoking rules. Waiting for the missles again, Jon np: Shonen Knife, "712" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 08:53:56 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Amazon review The Amazon review mentions that "NASA Clapping" is a Kimberley Rew collaboration...so I bet that's Kimberly hammering away in the left channel after all! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 11:10:22 PDT From: "Ariel Green" Subject: Re: speaking of foul spew... >PPS Remember how Mike Douglas used to say "Good NIGHT!" when he was >surprised/amazed? I just never figured that colloquialism out. Have you >ever heard anyone else say that? Oh sure.. I used to say that all the time, till my boyfriend-now-hubby straightened me out. Now I say "Good DAY!" LSD _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 14:20:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: speaking of foul stew... On Sun, 18 Jul 1999, Bayard wrote: > > > This is not a good reason to make cigarettes illegal. If I want to kill > > > myself by smoking, I should have the right to do that. > > > > Why? > > natural selection? There's _got_ to be a way of doing that that doesn't entail a war of attrition against the medical system. > > > You can't compare the two accurately. Driving, as you may have noticed, > > isn't addictive. > > mmm, I dunno... I've never been able to stop for any length of time... Get your brakes checked soon. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://grove.ufl.edu/~normal normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 14:36:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: speaking of foul stew... > > > > natural selection? > > There's _got_ to be a way of doing that that doesn't entail a war of > attrition against the medical system. from what i hear, it's been going on since before there was one. or did you mean another way of killing oneself? and i guess i misspoke - in this case it's natural de-selection. sadly, there is often the case of the stronger cro magnon wiping out the smarter neanderthal. but that doesn't happen as much any more. mostly b/c the concept of strength has changed. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #256 *******************************