From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #254 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, July 17 1999 Volume 08 : Number 254 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #253 ["Edward Doxtator" ] Re: MABD in Columbus [Aaron Mandel ] deRosa says, no deRogatis [DDerosa5@aol.com] Re: MABD in Columbus [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Bumbershoot! [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: Birth Announcement (totally off topic!) [steve ] MABD - so far [Joel Mullins ] disregard last message [Joel Mullins ] Re: disregard last message [Miles Goosens ] various spewage [Eb ] tell someone you love them ["Kenneth" ] from now on this is a free concert, man ["Russ Reynolds" ] Summertime thing [shmac@ix.netcom.com (Scott Hunter McCleary)] Re: south park/religion [S Dwarf ] Re: various spewage [Joel Mullins ] speaking of foul spew... [Eb ] Re: speaking of foul spew... ["Chris!" ] Waits [Eb ] Re: speaking of foul spew... [Joel Mullins ] Re: rock and/or roll quote needed ["JH3" ] Re: speaking of foul spew... [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 15:00:07 -0600 From: "Edward Doxtator" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #253 Joel wrote: >Well, I played this game. I did terribly. It told me I ranked #71 out >of the 71 people who have played the game. WOO-HOO! Joel's final score was 10. Mine was 11! This means I beat him AND MR Godwin! Wow. Could this day get any better? I'll have to drink more. - -Doc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:16:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: MABD in Columbus On Fri, 16 Jul 1999, fred is ted wrote: > Overall, not a bad show, but I wish RH had played more than four songs > for a full and appreciative house (or just plain old me!). i could have sworn i heard that the original idea for this tour was that the Flaming Lips wanted to do a "friendly" tour where lots of musicians were just entertaining the crowd together without the distinctions between headliner and opening acts. and yet they take twice as much stage time as everyone else! feh. aaron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:27:39 EDT From: DDerosa5@aol.com Subject: deRosa says, no deRogatis Miles asked: Who wrote that? DeRogatis? It has that quality of half-brilliance/half-swatworthiness that I associate with him... No, SPot Check is written by a woman named Monica Kendrick... I hope to see her at the instore, and can swat her when he does Cheese Alarm (I managed, for the EDHODD, to buy nine of the ten cheeses I clearly heard him mention--actually, I guess there are eleven, but I bought applewood smoked cheddar, so it counts double--anyone ever heard of "moody Ram's Hall"? None of the cheese shops had.) dave dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:35:35 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: MABD in Columbus In a message dated 7/16/99 12:34:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, fspencer1@yahoo.com writes: << A big problem with the show was that the time between acts was wicked long. Wayne apologized profusely for this and other less prosecuteable offenses. If you come for the first act, expect a show of 4 1/2+ hrs. >> Boy, I thought one of the main ideas behind this whole thing was to *avoid* crap like that. Man, I'm kinda worried about my $20.50 investment at this point. I hope they really pull their shit together in the next week or so! - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:39:47 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Bumbershoot! The full schedule is now up at www.bumbershoot.org. Robyn's playing sometime Monday afternoon at the Opera House (yay!), just a little bit after Built to Spill (who'll be at some other location) -- much to the excitement of Michael Wolfe and myself, I'm sure (well, I'm *very* sure about myself; safe guess with regards to M.W.). It looks like that'll probably be the only day I go. There's some cool stuff on all the other days, but nothing so cool that I couldn't miss it. I'll probably go up sometime on Sunday, provided I can find a place to crash. Any other PDX Fegs forming any plans yet? Let's talk! - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 17:09:59 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Birth Announcement (totally off topic!) tanter: >Sarah Charlotte Ellis Tanter arrived 7/13/99 at 7:19pm, 8lbs 15oz, 20". >She's really gorgeous and is giving her mummy an easy time so far. >Anyone who wants to come see her is welcome!! Congrats, Marcy! Did you ever consider calling her Tropical Flesh Mandala Tanter? Has a nice ring, I think. - - Steve _______________ We're all Jesus, Buddha, and the Wizard of Oz! - Andy Partridge ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 17:20:56 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: MABD - so far I thought I'd let you know what's been happening on the MABD tour so you'll kind of know what to expect. So far, reviews on the FegList have been pretty poor. The first night there were apparently a lot of technical difficulties. And Robyn only played for about 30 minutes. Since then, Robyn's set has varied quite a bit. He played nine songs in Cincinnati and only four songs in Columbus where the technical difficulties returned. Also, the time between bands has been extremely long so far. The Flaming Lips have been playing an hour-long set, which actually goes against their idea for this tour. They supposedly wanted to make a tour where 1) there was no distinction between opening and headlining acts, everyone playing for the same amount of time, 2) there was little down time between acts, and 3) people could see a small group of bands without having to sit out in the hot sun for an entire day. So far, they're only living up to #3 and not even that one entirely because the shows are lasting about 5 hours total. Anyway, they've had a lot of problems so far, but hopefully by the time they get to Austin, they'll have worked out most of the quirks. But we should just expect to get a small glimpse of Robyn and then a pretty good set from the Lips, so we won't be disappointed. If we know what to expect, we should still be able to have a really good time. Also, ask Geoff about Stubb's. I want to know what it's like and if I'll be able to sneak my flask in. Five hours is a long time and I'm not gonna have enough money to drink a lot of beer. I'd really like to fill up my flask and take that with us. Then we can put off buying any beer for a couple of hours. Later Joel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 17:26:35 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: disregard last message Please disregard that last message. I meant to send it to my friend Andy who's going to the Austin MABD with me. I guess I made a mistake. Joel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 17:55:09 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: disregard last message At 05:26 PM 7/16/99 -0700, Joel Mullins wrote: >Please disregard that last message. I meant to send it to my friend >Andy who's going to the Austin MABD with me. I guess I made a mistake. C'mon, you wanted us to see it. It was a cry for deliverance from demon alcohol, IMO. I've already enrolled you in several twelve-step programs. later, Miles, who refuses to join a twelve-step program unless six of the twelve steps are the Webb Wilder Credo ====================================================== Miles Goosens R. Stevie Moore website http://www.rsteviemoore.com My personal website http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles "If a million people say a stupid thing, it is still a stupid thing." -- Anatole France ====================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 17:54:36 -0800 From: Eb Subject: various spewage OK, so I'm actually emailing from my own computer this time...sort of. Got the computer back yesterday afternoon. Got it home and after playing around a bit, soon realized that numbnuts at Apple (hi, Tom ;)) had sent Comp USA a *500 mB* hard drive to install, instead of a (still skimpy by today's standards) 800 mB drive like I previously had. Gawwwwd. In other words, I'm probably taking the computer BACK to Comp USA tomorrow, so I can have the privilege of waiting ANOTHER week for the correct hard drive to come in. Arrrrrgh. Life is good. I riffled through about 400 backlogged emails last night...I could've added my three cents in several places, but the sorting task at hand was just too massive. So, never mind. I missed a Christianity thread, eh? It's just as well. It'd probably still be going strong if I had stuck my neck into it and started comparing Christianity in America to cigarette-smoking and such similar heresies. Perhaps the real issue we should discuss here is how some Christians are so deluded and tunnel-visioned that they actually believe Joy Electric doesn't suck whopping elephant dicks. ;) I didn't know that Robyn's pop was connected with "There's a Girl in My Soup." Huh. Just saw that film quite recently, actually. I can see that my absence hasn't really been noticed/missed by more than two or three people, but I will respond to one post which directly addressed me (from Mike Godwin): >Oh gosh, more material to buy, and I've only just spent sixty-one quid on >the 5-CD boxed set. Do you have a track listing for the Mirror Man >Sessions? There would have to be three versions of 'Trust Us' before you >could safely dispose of both Hungry and Personal. Does it include 'Moody >Liz' and that brilliant long vocal-less take of 'On tomorrow'? As I said before, the bonus tracks on Safe as Milk and The Mirror Man Sessions are the same tracks that were contained on the I May Be Hungry But I Sure Ain't Weird compilation (released in 1992, I believe?). Plus, one new track on Safe as Milk titled "Korn Ring Finger." The bonus tracks are organized so that the cream is on The Mirror Man Sessions, and the mostly instrumental leftovers are tacked onto Safe as Milk. The compilers are clearly trying to establish Mirror Man as a "lost" double album, which might've rivaled the almighty Trout. Safe as Milk's seven bonus tracks: "Safe as Milk (Take 5)," "On Tomorrow," "Big Black Baby Shoes" (UNFORGIVABLY listed on the back cover as "hBig Black Baby Shoes"...hmph LJ, I do hope that you feel ashamed for your fellow graphic artists), "Flower Pot," "Dirty Blue Gene," "Trust (Take 9)" and "Korn Ring Finger." The Mirror Man Sessions' five bonus tracks: "Trust Us (Take 6)," "Safe as Milk (Take 12)," "Beatle Bones N' Smokin' Stones," "Moody Liz (Take 8)" and "Gimme Dat Harp Boy." As much of a Beefheart lover as I am, I'm not sure that I'll get around to digging deep for that Beefheart box. I'm going to need more convincing. A full disc of instrumental Trout Mask Replica demos? I just don't know if I'm that much of a completist. Etc. Here's some thoughts I should add, amidst the coming onslaught of Eyes Wide Shut posts: I went to see both South Park: Bigger, Blacker, Longer and Uncut and (yes) The Phantom Menace about a week ago. South Park was the reason for this rare trip to the cinéma -- The Phantom Menace was just something to sneak into, afterwards. The Menace was pretty much just what I was expecting, based on reviews (both professional and personal) which I had heard. Mildly diverting, fun to look at, and that's about it. Two logical problems which I found particularly annoying: 1) There's a scene in which the boy accidentally flies in a ship toward the enemy space station, because the ship is on auto-pilot. Through the first half of the journey, he's frantically looking for a way to stop the trip...but then at the last minute, he suddenly just barks something like "Get us out of here, R2D2" and R2D2 gives a screw a quick turn and they're free. Groooan. 2) During the scene where the boy is showing his soapbox pod to the Our Gang kids next door, one of the girls actually has BRACES. Groooooooan. What a truly ridiculous error. I wasn't quite as infuriated by Jar Jar as is culturally mandated, however -- my biggest complaint was simply that Neeson and MacGregor sleepwalked through the entire film, and never showed even a glimpse of the charisma and passion which is found in their other star-making roles. Blah. Hard to get enthusiastic about a film, when it's based around lifelessly written performances like those. As for South Park, I was really expecting to love it, based on reviews (both professional and personal) which I had heard. Nope! I was hella disappointed. Fifty minutes of thin plot bolstered with 30 minutes of mostly so-so songs (with the exceptions of "Uncle Fucka" and the counselor's "Mm-kay" ditty). I was laughing a lot through the first 15-20 minutes, but once the story left the cuddly confines of the schoolyard and awkwardly stretched into a big ol' war film, my interest waned pretty quickly. By 45 minutes into it, I was steadily checking my watch. Luckily I didn't have long to wait, since the film was so damn short. Really, about the only clever thing I found in the film's back half was the bit with depicting Canadians in such a "racist" manner, so that they actually LOOKED different from us Am'ricans and were dismissed as having "flopping heads," etc. I liked that. Otherwise, ehhhh. Next, please. Actually, the best movie I've seen lately is "The Crowd," a silent King Vidor film from the '20s. Surprisingly undated and relevant. Over the weekend, I'll probably return to a local theater to see both Eyes Wide Shut and The Blair Witch Project. The latter looks scarier than shit, mannn. Frankly, I'm expecting to be disappointed by Eyes Wide Shut, as well. The film's promotion is just a little too frantic and hysterical for me not to get suspicious. Meanwhile, today's LA Times shrugs that it's more of a "mood piece" than a movie...hmm. And no, I don't have JfS yet. I'm not going to grumble about Warner Bros. anymore, however, because I think this list may have a mole. Beloved Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:24:53 -0500 From: "Kenneth" Subject: tell someone you love them Non-Violence Truth Non-Stealing Sacred Sex Non-Consumerism Physical Work Avoidance of Bad Taste Fearlessness Respect for All Religions Local Economy and respect for all beings. These eleven principles should be followed with humility, care, and committment. - -sayd Mahatma Gandhi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:34:40 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: from now on this is a free concert, man from a CD Now spam I got today: >Woodstock is a registered trademark of Woodstock Ventures LC. Do Joni Mitchell and Charles Schulz know this? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:39:08 -0500 From: "Kenneth" Subject: I fear for the future of this nation. What kind of world do we live in where a major motion picture studio, Waner Brothers, decides for every woman and man over the tender age of seventeen whether or not to view a film as it was made? I can understand the marketing standpoint. By slicing and dicing they may slide in under the "R." radar and open their coffers to a wider (more sensible) audience. But to not even offer the NC-17-worthy original version (or at least wherever poor Stanley left off with it), stings the face, lashes the scalp, and darkens the sky. The hegemonic culture barons of Holly-lolly and the corpulent Capitol cows we entrust with our liberties mean to censure and the humiliate the already staggering, muttering herd. I am so sadden, that I cannot bring myself to view his Kubrick's final opus, incomplete and cosmetically challenged. time to lie down next to the panting cat his two paws touch my ribs kneading and chirping - -Kenneth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 20:34:27 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: disregard last message Miles Goosens wrote: > C'mon, you wanted us to see it. It was a cry for deliverance from demon > alcohol, IMO. I've already enrolled you in several twelve-step programs. Well, you're wasting your time. Joel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 21:44:23 -0400 From: shmac@ix.netcom.com (Scott Hunter McCleary) Subject: Summertime thing Very oddly enough, I heard a version of the song last night by some outfit called Me First and The Gimme Gimmes -- just looked the album up and it looks like punked-up covers of a rather improbable collection of tunes. Scott n.p. Värttinä -- Vihma ========= SH McCleary Prodigal Dog Communications Arlington, VA 22206 shmac@prodigaldog.com www.prodigaldog.com www.mp3.com/nairobi3/ www.1480kHz.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 21:47:06 -0400 (EDT) From: S Dwarf Subject: Re: south park/religion Mark_Gloster@3com.com wrote: > #2. I would definitely give SP some awards. It > killed me that Michael McDonald sang the closing > theme. He never struck me as having a sense of humor > about his favorite subject: Michael McDonald. I would > not be surprised if the academy felt compelled > to give it something- I'm just hoping for the > touching song about Kyle's Mom to win for best song. > It would make me feel much better about the world > after that whole (second) Titanic disaster. actually, since it was originally on the TV show (wasn't it?), "Kyle's Mom is a Bitch" wouldn't be eligible for Oscar consideration. therefore, one of the others, perhaps "Uncle Fucka" or satan's little ditty would have to be the nominee instead. as for the religion debate, as Jesus once told Stan Marsh, I'm not touching that with a ten foot pole. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 20:44:17 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: various spewage Eb wrote: > It'd probably still be going strong if I had stuck my neck into it > and started comparing Christianity in America to cigarette-smoking and such > similar heresies. What's wrong with cigarette-smoking? Joel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 19:44:44 -0800 From: Eb Subject: speaking of foul spew... Joel: >> It'd probably still be going strong if I had stuck my neck into it >> and started comparing Christianity in America to cigarette-smoking and such >> similar heresies. > >What's wrong with cigarette-smoking? I'd vote yes on just about *any* bit of anti-smoking legislation, short of the death penalty. I think smoking is just about the most extreme act of vacant stupidity possible. Why not just walk around all day, determinedly poking yourself in the face with a fork? To me, that's no more ludicrous/idiotic than smoking. Picking your nose in public is taboo, but smoking isn't? Whatever. Personally, I'd feel a lot less self-conscious, caught with a digit up my nostril. Incidentally, *the* coolest backlogged email I've come across as yet was something from the Tom Waits mailing list: a forwarded behind-the-scenes account of Waits' 1976 appearance on the Mike Douglas show, written by one of the show's directors. Wow, that rocked. I was tempted to forward it to you Fgz, but ehhh, it was kinda long and maybe not of enough interest. Eb, very much enjoying the new, (mostly) smokeless L.A. clubs PS Congrats to Marcy and her fecund womb. PPS Remember how Mike Douglas used to say "Good NIGHT!" when he was surprised/amazed? I just never figured that colloquialism out. Have you ever heard anyone else say that? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 20:08:15 -0700 From: "Chris!" Subject: Re: speaking of foul spew... > Waits' 1976 appearance on the Mike Douglas show, written by one > of the show's directors. Wow, that rocked. I was tempted to forward it to > you Fgz, but ehhh, it was kinda long and maybe not of enough interest. I poke myself with a fork until you forward that sucker... utensiled, .chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:02:45 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Waits Oops. A couple of folks emailed me, asking for the Waits/Mike Douglas anecdote. I'm sorry, but I deleted it and it would be very hard for me to find in the Waits list archives (if those are even archived). Basically, it came down to the director (and writer of the post) having booked Waits as sort of a "long shot," because he had seen him awhile back and had been taken with his "derelict" persona. But he thought his behavior was only a stage act. The day Waits was booked, it turns out that security wouldn't even admit Waits to the set at first. "Hey Bob, there's this homeless guy out front who wants in...what do we do?" That type of thing. Then Waits actually fell asleep in the building's lobby while waiting, making him look even more homeless. Eventually, everything got straightened out. Waits came on the show, and weirded Douglas out during the interview portion. But then when he finally sat down and played "Small Change," Douglas was clearly won over. And according to this writer, the show and crew were totally infatuated with memories of Waits for weeks. Everyone was doing impressions of him, etc. It was a lovely story. I can't do it justice. Not only was the story great, but the writer's imagery and language was just as good. Ah well. If someone thinks he can track it down and has the patience, go fer it. Maybe you can find it through http://www.officialtomwaits.com? Eb, who still has about 800K of backlogged Waits digests to peruse, if he can muster up the patience (yipe) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 00:48:08 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: speaking of foul spew... Eb wrote: > I'd vote yes on just about *any* bit of anti-smoking legislation, short of > the death penalty. Are you kidding me? That's absolutely ridiculous! My choice to smoke has no effect on anyone but me. And you shouldn't be able to legislate self-destruction. Do you think cigarettes should be illegal? What's next? Alcohol? Unprotected sex? Fried foods? Undercooked chicken? I, personally, don't think you or anyone else should have the right to tell me what I can and can't do to my own body. What about abortion? Are you gonna start telling women what they can do to their own bodies too? > I think smoking is just about the most extreme act of > vacant stupidity possible. Why not just walk around all day, determinedly > poking yourself in the face with a fork? To me, that's no more > ludicrous/idiotic than smoking. It's completely fucking different. I don't know many people who would get enjoyment out of poking themselves in the face with a fork. But I love smoking! I get a lot of enjoyment out of it and my choice to smoke in no way reflects my intelligence. I know the risks and I've accepted them. Do you ever drink alcohol? That's not exactly good for you. In fact, alcohol actually causes the deaths of people who don't drink, which is something you can't say about smoking. And don't even mention second-hand smoke. First of all, you can't smoke hardly anywhere anymore. And furthermore, even though you don't hear about it much, the EPA admitted to falsifying the data that got this whole second-hand smoke thing started in the first place. It would take years of concentrated exposure for a non-smoker to get lung cancer. > Picking your nose in public is taboo, but > smoking isn't? You're completely off here. Smoking is taboo in public. It's more than just taboo. In many places, it's against the law. And you obviously don't smoke because even having a cigarette on the street is taboo. It falls under informal deviance, as does picking your nose. It's not necessarily against the law, but there still are sanctions (i.e., condescending looks, some people not wanting to be around you, etc.). In fact, I'd be willing to bet that you've enforced some of these informal sanctions on smokers that you've come into contact with. > Eb, very much enjoying the new, (mostly) smokeless L.A. clubs The biggest reason that L.A. sucks! What kind of fucked up city ordinance is that? You can't smoke in bars? The one place where probably %75 of people smoke? Lots of people smoke when they drink. But I guess all those people will just have to sacrifice to please the few tight asses. Anyway, I guess you can tell that I feel pretty strongly about this. But isn't this America? Isn't the place where we're supposed to have freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and the pursuit of happiness and all that jazz? But you want to take away my right to smoke? How can you be so selfish? - --Joel, who hopes he's not offending people again. I tried to word everything nicely. If I've failed, please accept my apology. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 01:09:45 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: rock and/or roll quote needed >this piece doesn't have much (anyting) to do with computer consulting, but >it's totally inappropriate.... http://www.alternatech.net/jh3/silly/musnsex.htm That was originally posted to this very list, in fact! But since I am, in some respects, a computer consultant, I think we can probably come up with something better, and far more appropriate to boot. After all, there may be Metallica tickets at stake here! THE LIFE OF A COMPUTER CONSULTANT (ROCK STAR) First you have to learn how to program (play) a computer (instrument) using one of several programming languages (playing styles), hardware platforms (amps), and operating systems (amps that don't work). Once you've learned how to make some noise (compile the tutorial projects), you get a job (join a band) or become an independent contractor (go solo), in the hope of creating worthwhile software products (original material) for either the general business market (vacuous teenage music fans) or a niche market (cultists). If you're lucky (good-looking), you'll be noticed (seduced) by a venture capitalist (A&R representative) who will give you some money (sign you) to help you build your business (exploit you in the worst way imaginable) and create a sellable product (debut album). That product (CD) will have to be aggressively marketed (supported by constant touring), in the hopes that it will develop a loyal user base (attract vacuous teenage groupies). Once that happens, you can finally cash in by doing an IPO (selling your songs to use in TV commercials). But the stress (self-revelatory angst) of all this causes many to turn to tranquilizers (heroin) for relief (self-destruction). Those who stay employed (outlive their grandparents) can remain successful (not *too* badly in debt to their record label) by selling upgrades (recording the same old crap) until a knockoff of your product (copycat artist) is incorporated into Windows 2000 (has a huge #1 smash hit doing exactly you did two years ago which only got you to #73). How's that? John H. Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 23:31:36 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: speaking of foul spew... Joel blew a lotta hot smoke: >It's completely fucking different. I don't know many people who would >get enjoyment out of poking themselves in the face with a fork. Maybe if they did it consistently, they'd develop a perverse taste for it. Kinda like with smoking. I don't see much difference between the two, beyond face-forking being a lot safer and less intrusive on others. >But I love smoking! I get a lot of enjoyment out of it Wow, sounds like you're really having a ball out there. >and my choice to smoke >in no way reflects my intelligence. Well, at the very least, it reflects your inability to keep your brain/body properly occupied. Maybe you could just carry around some tiddlywinks or jacks, instead? Or simply suck your thumb? After all, smoking is basically just an extension of the latter, eh? >Do you ever drink alcohol? That's not exactly good for you. We're talking about lifestyle choices here, not occasional drinks/puffs. Anyway, my drinking volume is notoriously negligible. I'm not sure if I've had a drink yet this year...mayyybe. I just don't remember. >alcohol actually causes the deaths of people who don't drink, >which is something you can't say about smoking. And don't even mention >second-hand smoke. I don't have to...you already did. >It would take years of >concentrated exposure for a non-smoker to get lung cancer. Well, luckily, now that public smoking is being curbed so much, I won't have to worry about that. I also don't have to cough and sneeze from smoke being blown up into my face (one distinct drawback to being tall), and I can even come home from clubs not smelling so horrible that I'm compelled to wash my clothes the next morning. >Smoking is taboo in public. "Taboo" is overstating the case. >In many places, it's against the law. Nifty. As long as they don't make face-forking illegal, I'm content. And gosh, just imagine how much nicer our lives would be, if the tobacco lobby was rendered impotent in Washington D.C. >And you obviously don't smoke What was your first clue? >> Eb, very much enjoying the new, (mostly) smokeless L.A. clubs > >The biggest reason that L.A. sucks! Nice criteria you have. Do you measure everything by how compatible with smoking it is? Which Hitchcock album makes the best background music for smoking, anyway? I couldn't guess. Eb, whose parents had to have a tiny justice-of-the-peace wedding, because my father was reared in redneck northern Florida where everyone picks up smoking before they can drive (thankfully, he quit long before I was born) and was in and out of hospitals with heart problems at the time ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #254 *******************************