From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #250 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, July 15 1999 Volume 08 : Number 250 Today's Subjects: ----------------- more stabs... [DDerosa5@aol.com] and now for something completely similar.. [DDerosa5@aol.com] uk geography q ["Capitalism Blows" ] uk geography q #2 ["Capitalism Blows" ] wow! ["Capitalism Blows" ] religion [Michael Hooker ] Re: religion [Paul Christian Glenn ] Jewels For Sophia Poetry Book [Plpalmer@ix.netcom.com] thanks, shark, for ruining my flow... [DDerosa5@aol.com] Re: Cater to Your Egoyan [was: blair witch vs. bell witch] [Mark_Gloster@] attn Portland Fegs! ["Kenneth" ] Fwd: Left Banke Tribute [steve ] What's your Midichlorian count? [steve ] Religion. Please skip this message! [James Dignan ] re: ligion ["jbranscombe@compuserve.com" ] re: ligion ["jbranscombe@compuserve.com" ] summertime ["jbranscombe@compuserve.com" ] Re: http://158.72.105.122/gh/ephemera/Default.htm [Stewart Russell 3295 A] Re: summertime [Terrence M Marks ] Re: summertime [David Librik ] postcards ["Ghost Surfer" ] Re: and now for something completely similar.. [Michael R Godwin Subject: uk geography q is/was the clarendon hotel (and by extension its ballroom) in london, or in hammersmith? _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:55:53 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: uk geography q #2 is it monford hall, in liverpool, or mountford? _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:27:01 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: wow! hadn't looked closely at the new uk gig listing until today. robyn is scheduled to play the portland arms on september the 27th. i can state with some confidence that the last time robyn played this venue was with the soft boys, in 1979! _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 00:58:01 -0400 From: Michael Hooker Subject: religion hi, i find this religion thing the most interesting thing on this digest in a very long time, so i'll add my 2 cents. someone stated the following: The first question (i.e., "how do we believe?") is simple enough to answer: faith (and, for the Calvinist, you can tack "grace" on there as well). The Bible is very explicit about faith being the essential element of salvation; without it you cannot be saved; without it, it is impossible to please God to me , that is reason enough to not believe any of it . that is like saying , i am going to tell you the following truths, the first being you have to have total belief in everything else i say after this. sounds bogus to me. religion to me started out as an attempt to expalin things we didnt understand. as we began to understand more and more, it became a vehicle for the people running it to keep the power they had, by demanding more and more " faith" as we learned what was going on around us . we "laugh" at the greek and norse gods of fire, lightning, ect. , calling those beliefs myths, only because we now know what thunder, ect is all about. are our present day beliefs myths?? i wont even get into all the pain and suffering caused on our world in the name of religion . i would gladly trade to get rid of all the very real and inarguable pain and suffering caused by religion in exchange for also doing without the suppossed solice we get from it. Mike Hooker ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:48:35 -0600 From: Paul Christian Glenn Subject: Re: religion At 7/15/99 12:58:00 AM, you wrote: >hi, > i find this religion thing the most interesting thing on this digest in a >very long time, so i'll add my 2 cents. someone stated the following: > >The first question (i.e., "how do we believe?") is simple enough to answer: >faith (and, for the Calvinist, you can tack "grace" on there as well). The >Bible is very explicit about faith being the essential element of salvation; >without it you cannot be saved; without it, it is impossible to please God > > > to me , that is reason enough to not believe any of it. that is like >saying , i am going to tell you the following truths, the first being you >have to have total belief in everything else i say after this. sounds bogus >to me. That's a fairly shallow and simplistic assessment of the situation. That aside, you've committed an error, and that is refuting the answer to "how?" with a rebuttal to "why?". If I may quote a fellow I once met, "sounds bogus to me". ;) >religion to me started out as an attempt to expalin things we didnt >understand. Yes, that's *one* theory. >as we began to understand more and more, it became a vehicle >for the people running it to keep the power they had, That's a ludicrously inclusive statement. To begin with, nobody "runs" religion. People run denominations and sects and cults and organizations, but those things have very little to do with true religion. It is true that some of those people have abused their power, but millions more have used that power to better their communities, to reach out to the poor and the powerless, to bring together those who are hurting and point them in a new direction. That's the reality. >by demanding more >and more " faith" as we learned what was going on around us. No more faith is required today than was required 4000 years ago. Unless you can show otherwise, that statement seems a tad silly. >i wont even get into all the pain and >suffering caused on our world in the name of religion. And what would that have to do with anything? >i would gladly >trade to get rid of all the very real and inarguable pain and suffering >caused by religion in exchange for also doing without the suppossed solice >we get from it. The solace isn't supposed, it's undeniably real. I think what you mean to question is the source of that solace (i.e., is it psychological or is it supernatural). And so we're back to the beginning. Paul Christian Glenn | "Besides being complicated, trance@radiks.net | reality, in my experience, http://x-real.firinn.org | is usually odd." -C.S. Lewis Currently Reading: "The Complete Stories" by Flannery O'Connor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:02:19 -0700 From: Plpalmer@ix.netcom.com Subject: Jewels For Sophia Poetry Book Anyone who was interested in this item, I have it on good authority that this item doesn't really exist. It is actually an advance of Jewels For Sophia sent out by Warner's publicist Rick Gershon. He made photo copies of the lyrics and included them with the advances. According to Rick Gershon, there is no poetry book. My guess is whoever was the high bidder on Ebay isn't going to be very pleased with their purchase. Peter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:03:21 EDT From: DDerosa5@aol.com Subject: thanks, shark, for ruining my flow... wow, I'm impressed (digest #249) I can't think of that many things to say about God. I envy those who believe, to some extent--it means there are things that need not be questioned. I agree with Mark that some of the best people believe. I, unfortunately, am not one of the best people. My argument, which I think parallels jmbc's, if I waded through his verbiage correctly, is that there totally ought to be a heaven. and, if not hell, then purgatory or something. it makes life around us make sense. Which is exactly what I think humans do quite well--make sense of things, even if they end up deluding themselves. So the fact that heaven should exist for all the good people who never get theirs on earth, makes it so. For all I know, it literally makes it so. I'll see when i get there. I was raised Presbyterian, even did a bit of youth ministering, and it all seemed a sensible enough Protestant upbringing, until I found out (after Confirmation) that we supposedly believe in predestination, which makes the whole thing kinda silly, and makes the best moralizers seem smug. Then I moved to basic Unitarianism (I liked that instead of a cross on top, my church had a weather vane). Now I don't disbelieve in God, I just live my life as a God I would believe in would want me to, and assume the afterlife reservations will take care of themselves. I miss church more than I miss faith, for those who just want to heap scorn on all organized religion. You know what I like about this list? The fact that we all have faith that each other cares what we believe. I could quote Robyn on that point, but it would just be preaching to the choir. dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:35:54 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: Cater to Your Egoyan [was: blair witch vs. bell witch] >in real life, woj curses much more than i do, and that ain't no shit. also, >we've both seen South Park twice now, and both think a screenplay nomination >is in order. i taped it yesterday, and have been listening to it ever >since. #1. Woj only swears because he has special powers that allow him to do cool shit when he does. I bet he caused sparks to fly out of Chris Chandler's mouth more than once. #2. I would definitely give SP some awards. It killed me that Michael McDonald sang the closing theme. He never struck me as having a sense of humor about his favorite subject: Michael McDonald. I would not be surprised if the academy felt compelled to give it something- I'm just hoping for the touching song about Kyle's Mom to win for best song. It would make me feel much better about the world after that whole (second) Titanic disaster. Happies, - -Markg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:13:34 -0500 From: "Kenneth" Subject: attn Portland Fegs! what is the state of public radio in Oregon? what is its programming like around Portland? any decent experimental venues (college radio) ? thanks Kenneth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:19:30 -0500 From: steve Subject: Fwd: Left Banke Tribute Appreciators of baroque pop take note (and perhaps a little something to clean the palate between extended JfS sessions). The originals can be found on "There's Gonna Be A Storm" - the complete recordings by The Left Banke. - - Steve - ---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ---------------- The Left Banke Tribute cd is available today!!!! Finally! Whew!!!! etc! The line up: The Jigsaw Seen - Desirée Admiral - Let Go Of You Girl Frank Bango - Goodbye Holly Jason Falkner - Pretty Ballerina Shane Faubert - I Haven't Got The Nerve Starbelly - Myrah Sun Sawed In 1/2 - And Suddenly Blue Cartoon - Shadows Breaking Over My Head The Andersons! - Give The Man A Hand The Birdwatchers - My Friend Today MiNsTeR HiLL - Evening Gown Flamingo - Sing Little Bird Sing The Grip Weeds - Lazy Day Mark Johnson - Nice To See You Angie Heaton - Walk Away Reneé Ken Stringfellow - She May Call You Up Tonight The Phenomenal Cats - I've Got Something On My Mind Jeremy - Dark Is The Bark The Idea - Barterers And Their Wives The Christines - There's Gonna Be A Storm w/ bonus tracks by; Ed James - Run Jenny Run Jim Basnight - Brother Louie Contact Not Lame to order! - ----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- _______________ We're all Jesus, Buddha, and the Wizard of Oz! - Andy Partridge ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:07:44 -0500 From: steve Subject: What's your Midichlorian count? From www.theden.com - MOVIES: MEXICAN CATHOLICS KNOCK PHANTOM MENACE Is 'The Force' just a New Age version of the Holy Spirit? The "virgin birth" of Anakin Skywalker hinted at in the Phantom Menace has outraged the Catholic Church in Mexico, according to the wire service Reuters. According to the report, a Roman Catholic publication in Mexico has criticized the Phantom Menace, saying it "parodies the Holy Scriptures" and "promotes a New Age culture". Apparently, the mystical, invisible nature of 'The Force' too closely resembles that of the Holy Spirit, a mystical force that forms--along with the Father and the Son--the Holy Trinity which is central to Catholic beliefs. Also at issue was the alleged "virgin birth" that Anakin's mother hints at when explaining Anakin's birth to the Jedi Knight Qui-Gon Jinn. According to Catholic (and other) beliefs, the Virgin Mary was impregnated by the Holy Spirit, which led to the birth of Jesus Christ. "We are sensitive to the Mexican Catholic church's concerns, but The Phantom Menace is not about religion," said Lynne Hale, a spokeswoman for LucasFilm, in a statement faxed to the Reuters news agency. "It is an adventure film based on mythology." The latest brouhaha over The Phantom Menace follows allegations of racial insensitivity that have dogged the picture since its release. Various ethnic groups have publicly voiced dissatisfaction with some of the accents and mannerisms of the aliens in the film, with blacks upset over Jar Jar Binks' obsequious patois and Asians disturbed by the scheming Nemoidians accents, which seem to resemble Chinese. _______________ We're all Jesus, Buddha, and the Wizard of Oz! - Andy Partridge ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:26:57 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Religion. Please skip this message! >>i don't believe the acceptance of christ as "your >>personal lord and savior" to be the only road to heaven. > >I thought it was more along the lines of "you can only be saved through >Jesus", which is quite different. (eg. If He feels like saving Buddhists >also, then they're in.) agreed. Once (foolishly) I was a New-lifer. And I did that rare thing - I read the bible from cover to cover (skip deuteronomy. It's identical to leviticus, which is pretty boring in itself. And don't read ecclesiastes if you're depressed). To cut a long story short, that book is so allegorical in parts that it can be interpreted any damn (sic) way you want, even when the translation/retranslation process is not taken into consideration. After leaving the new-lifers (I asked too many questions - something which seemed to make them uneasy), I reread and considered exactly what was said, and came to an inescapable conclusion. Of course, it is possible to reach millions of inescapable conclusions, but this one is useful because it is contrary to the standard Christian viewpoint, but can hold its own in most debates with (no offence intended to the devout on this list) bible-bahing door-to-door religios with the crusading zeal. In fact, I almost managed to convert one once! the points: 1) the way to God is through the teachings of Jesus. 2) Jesus told us that we were all his brothers and sisters, and that God was "our father". 3) Jesus called himself 'Son of Man' (only one Gospel, that of John, has this phrase replaced by 'Son of God' - whose word do you take? One apostle, or three?). the conclusion: Jesus taught us the truth - that we are all equally children of God - Jesus was like us, human, but had the prophetic power or philosophical nous to understand the divine side of our nature and tell everyone about it. 4) God created humans in 'his' own image, yet we all look different. conclusion: God has as many different meanings and aspects - as many as there are people on the planet. If God is infinite, omniscient and omnipotent, then He can easily defy contradiction. If that is the case, then God is the ultimate in split personalities, reflected in each of us and also a reflection of each of us. Thus, if you believe God to be bigoted, then your aspect of God is. If you do not believe so, then your God is not. If it is possible to believe in God as a three-in-one (sounds like lubricating oil!), then why not 6000000000-in-one? 5) Paul/Saul, a violent enemy of the faith, is suddenly converted to Christianity and made a leading figure in the faith's hierarchy. He sets about changing and redefining the policy of the Church through his letters. 6) Many of the more conservative Church doctrines can be ascribed directly to Paul's writings. 7) The best way to destroy any organisation is from within. conclusion: Whose word do we have (other than Paul's) that he was really converted? James (donning asbestos and holy waterproof garments) PS - to quote the prophet Tom Waits: "There ain't no Devil - just God when he's drunk" PPS - whatever happened to talking about Robyn Hitchcock??? James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:04:35 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #249 >Which Augustine books would you-all recommend? I tried Confessions, but >found it too personal and flowery. I can't answer that one, but one book I heartily recommend to anyone interested in the hiistory of the church is Cahill's "How the Irish Saved Civilisation". Very easygoing, beautifully written, and very interesting. I believe he's recently written a simiular book on the history of Judaism since the start of the Christian era, but I haven't seen a copy yet. James PS - Peter Sellers you want? I'd take "The Mouse that Roared" or "I'm All Right Jack" over "Girl in my Soup" anyday! James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 03:15:56 -0400 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: re: ligion Paul, leaving aside for a minute your dismissal of the several arguments posted here against religion as, variously, 'simplistic,ineffective,empty, vacuous, shallow and silly (strange, many of them, and not just mine(!) struck me as complex, strong and effective) - I think the central epistemological question to address is how you know you had an >undeniably real experience with"God"<. I don't want personal details if you don't want to give them, more a philosophical justification of your certainty. jmbc. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 03:19:45 -0400 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: re: ligion Terrence wrote >There are a lot of Christians who were brought up that way and never thought about it. There are also quite a few atheists who decided that religion was bad and never gave it a second thought< But at least they gave it a first thought... jmbc. Oh Lord you are so big, So absolutely huge. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 03:21:57 -0400 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: summertime A friend of mine wants to collect as many versions of the old Porgy and Bess standard Summer Time as possible. Any suggestions. Thanks in advance. I know you'll serve him well. jmbc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 08:38:23 +0100 (BST) From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: Re: http://158.72.105.122/gh/ephemera/Default.htm >>>>> "David" == David Librik writes: David> What you don't see in that picture -- what you don't see on David> the new boxes of Weetabix -- is the old Weetabix mascot David> from before 1990 or so. Must've been a US thing. All we had was the Neet Weet Gang, a bunch of skinhead (well, wheathead) bovver boys and girls Weetabix-in-jeans-and-Docs that told you to eat Weetabix "If you know what's good for you". They were never particularly threatening, mainly because they'd only be about 10cm tall, be rather crumbly, and all washed up if it rained... - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 04:01:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: summertime On Thu, 15 Jul 1999, jbranscombe@compuserve.com wrote: > A friend of mine wants to collect as many versions of the old Porgy and > Bess standard Summer Time as possible. Any suggestions. Start a Porgy & Bess pyramid chain-letter? Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://grove.ufl.edu/~normal normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 03:31:14 -0500 From: David Librik Subject: Re: summertime jbranscombe wrote: >A friend of mine wants to collect as many versions of the old Porgy and >Bess standard Summer Time as possible. Any suggestions. Geraint Lovgreen a'i Enw Da did a scurrilous version of this, titled "Symyrteim," on their less-than-entirely-legit tape "Enllib." As you might guess, they're a Welsh band. ("Enllib" means "libel.") Your friend's ability to find this is pretty much dependent on whether he can find a Welsh shop in Wales that still has it; its topical and satirical nature (plus the fact that it came out in 1990) means it's probably out of print. Anyway, the lyrics go something like: Summer Time, and my house is fire, Summer Time, some bastard burnt it down Summer Time, no more weekends in Gwyneddth I might as well fuck off back home to Birmingham And then he rants some about getting hassled by the police in Abergele for walking down the street with a box of matches in his hands. Not exactly the funniest thing ever written about burning down holiday homes (though I like the other one on this tape about his new entrepreneurial start-up, Glendower And Sons plc). Yuk yuk yuk. - - David Librik ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 01:44:52 PDT From: "Ghost Surfer" Subject: postcards All this talk about Raymond H's books, but have any others got the postcards of his artwork? They were available at an exhibition of his work which was held in Winchester shortly after his death. The exhibition featured paintings, sculptures and copies of his books and manuscripts. Great paintings, strange sculptures and a lot more to the man than "Percy" (the film version) would hint at. - ----------------************************************************------------ "There are times when i can't think about the future, when all my days seem so dark and life seems cruel" - Mojave 3 & "Make a moment last forever, gaze across the ocean to the sun" - Unknown !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 12:47:07 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: and now for something completely similar.. On Wed, 14 Jul 1999 DDerosa5@aol.com wrote: > Has nobody else on the feglist ever checked back into Robyn's dad's books? > I don't know if I'm boring people with details here... I have now, so raise your boredom thresholds. Here is a list of titles which I found on WorldCat. I don't believe "I think I was lucky to grow up in Kentucky" or "Clouds of Sacramento" a work on the genealogy of New Mexico Hitchcocks are by the same author, so I have deleted those. I have included details of all UK and US editions found, hardback and paperback. The book on fighting cancer looks interesting. The date of 1970 on 'Girl in my soup' confirms to me that we are dealing with a novelisation of the screenplay. (at the risk of repeating myself, imdb gives the release date of the film as 1970, and that followed a successful run of the play). AUTHOR: Hitchcock, Raymond. TITLE: Attack the Lusitania! PLACE: New York : PUBLISHER: St. Martin's Press, YEAR: 1986 1979 PUB TYPE: Book FORMAT: 265 p. ; 18 cm. ISBN: 0312900465 TITLE: Attack the Lusitania! PLACE: London : PUBLISHER: Sphere, YEAR: 1981 1979 PUB TYPE: Book FORMAT: 215 p. ; 18 cm. NOTES: Originally published: London : Joseph, 1979. ISBN: 0722145969 (pbk) : SUBJECT: Lusitania (Steamship) -- Fiction. World War, 1914-1918 -- Fiction. AUTHOR: Hitchcock, Raymond, 1922- TITLE: Fighting cancer. PUBLISHER: Angel, YEAR: 1989 PUB TYPE: Book FORMAT: [144] p. ISBN: 0947785280 (pbk) : SUBJECT: Cancer -- Religious aspects -- Christianity. Man -- Cancer - Christian viewpoints AUTHOR: Hitchcock, Raymond, 1922- TITLE: Checkmate Budapest PLACE: London : PUBLISHER: Constable, YEAR: 1988 PUB TYPE: Book FORMAT: [256] p. ; 23 cm. ISBN: 0094682704 : AUTHOR: Hitchcock, Raymond. TITLE: Sea wrack PLACE: London : PUBLISHER: Sphere, YEAR: 1982 1980 PUB TYPE: Book FORMAT: 187 p. ; 18 cm. ISBN: 0722145977 (pbk) : AUTHOR: Hitchcock, Raymond. TITLE: Sea wrack PLACE: London : PUBLISHER: Joseph, YEAR: 1980 PUB TYPE: Book FORMAT: 190 p. ; 23 cm. ISBN: 0718119223 : AUTHOR: Hitchcock, Raymond. TITLE: Percy's progress PLACE: London : PUBLISHER: Sphere, YEAR: 1974 PUB TYPE: Book FORMAT: 123 p. ; 18 cm. ISBN: 0722145926 (pbk) : OTHER: Colin, Sid. La Frenais, Ian. AUTHOR: Hitchcock, Raymond. TITLE: Venus 13 : a cautionary space tale PLACE: London : PUBLISHER: Sphere, YEAR: 1973 1972 PUB TYPE: Book FORMAT: 156 p. ; 18 cm. ISBN: 0722145950 (pbk) : TITLE: Venus 13 : a cautionary space tale PLACE: London : PUBLISHER: W. H. Allen, YEAR: 1972 PUB TYPE: Book FORMAT: 160 p. ; 21 cm. ISBN: 0491009615 AUTHOR: Hitchcock, Raymond. TITLE: There's a girl in my soup PLACE: London : PUBLISHER: Sphere, YEAR: 1971 1970 PUB TYPE: Book FORMAT: [7], 131 p. ; 18 cm. ISBN: 0722145918 (pbk) TITLE: There's a girl in my soup: a novel; PLACE: London, New York, PUBLISHER: W. H. Allen, YEAR: 1970 PUB TYPE: Book FORMAT: [5], 131 p. 21 cm. ISBN: 0491001266 OTHER: Frisby, Terence There's a girl in my soup. AUTHOR: Hitchcock, Raymond. TITLE: Percy PLACE: London : PUBLISHER: Sphere, YEAR: 1971 1969 PUB TYPE: Book FORMAT: 189 p. ; 18 cm. NOTES: Originally published, London: W.H. Allen, 1969. ISBN: 0722145896 (pbk) AUTHOR: Hitchcock, Raymond. TITLE: The gilt-edged boy PLACE: London : PUBLISHER: Sphere, YEAR: 1972 1971 PUB TYPE: Book FORMAT: 160 p. ; 18 cm. NOTES: Originally published, London: W.H. Allen, 1971. ISBN: 0722145934 (pbk) : AUTHOR: Hitchcock, Raymond. TITLE: The tunnellers PLACE: London : PUBLISHER: Constable, YEAR: 1986 PUB TYPE: Book FORMAT: [192] p. ; 22 cm. ISBN: 0094666806 : AUTHOR: Hitchcock, Raymond, 1922- TITLE: Archangel 006 PLACE: London : PUBLISHER: Constable, YEAR: 1984 PUB TYPE: Book FORMAT: 248 p. ; 23 cm. SERIES: Constable crime ISBN: 009465350X : TITLE: Archangel 006 PLACE: New York : PUBLISHER: St. Martin's Press, YEAR: 1983 PUB TYPE: Book FORMAT: 248 p. ; 22 cm. ISBN: 0312047312 0312047711 (jkt.) : AUTHOR: Hitchcock, Raymond TITLE: The Canaris legacy PLACE: New York : PUBLISHER: St. Martin's Press, YEAR: 1980 PUB TYPE: Book FORMAT: 191 p. ; 22 cm. ISBN: 0312118171 : SUBJECT: Canaris, Wilhelm, -- 1887-1945. World War, 1939-1945 -- Secret service -- Germany -- Fiction. Admirals -- Germany -- Fiction. That's all I found. - - Mike Godwin PS The best of all the Peter Sellers films is "Two Way Stretch", which was on TV last week. It was turned into the Porridge TV series 10 years later, although I don't think the debt was ever acknowledged. All the main characters are identical: the imperturbable hero (Peter Sellers/Ronnie Barker), the tough warder (Lionel Jeffries/Fulton Mackay), the youngster in for the first time (Bernard Cribbins / Richard Beckinsale), the kindly warder, the vague governer, etc. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #250 *******************************