From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #246 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, July 13 1999 Volume 08 : Number 246 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: A child was graphically incinerated by igniting his anal wind...(NR) ["Livia" ] Re: ray [DDerosa5@aol.com] Re: fegtastes and various accomodations ["Kenneth" ] Robyn @ Rhino [Griffith Davies ] Re: Kinky Kubrik & The Kinks [Capuchin ] Re: song id [michelle wiener ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #245 [James Dignan ] three passages, two rays and a gem [DDerosa5@aol.com] Re: Kinky Kubrik & The Kinks [ultraconformist@mail.weboffices.com] Re: ray [ultraconformist@mail.weboffices.com] Re: http://158.72.105.122/gh/ephemera/Default.htm [Stewart Russell 3295 A] Re: song id [Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer ] Re: Beefheart releases [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Distinction [Joel Mullins ] RE: Distinction ["Chaney, Dolph L" ] Trading [toby ] Re: Distinction [Knaurr ] Re: Distinction [Christopher Gross ] Re: Re: Distinction [Paul Christian Glenn ] Re: When worldviews collide [steve ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 13:25:49 -0700 From: "Livia" Subject: Re: A child was graphically incinerated by igniting his anal wind...(NR) well, maybe it wasn't you. but some north-of-the-border male feg definitely said that. i don't have time to go archive-hunting just now... - ---------- > From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer > To: fegmaniax@smoe.org > Subject: Re: A child was graphically incinerated by igniting his anal wind...(NR) > Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 4:20 AM > > >>>>> "Livia" == Livia writes: > > Livia> . . . while "trash", far from the "cak" that steward > Livia> russell (if i remember correctly) called it here a few > Livia> years ago > > Hey, how dare you cast nasturtiums at me! I like 'Trash', and sing it > out loud in my more misanthropic moods (like when in company of > Beatles/Star Wars bigots). > > -- > Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division > stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers > use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:24:10 -0400 From: Alfred Masciocchi Subject: Re: Wildman Fischer news! Great news as far as I'm concerned. Now, if An Evening With Wild Man Fischer would only be reissued! "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." wrote: > > Grabbed this from : > > > On August 2, 1999, Rhino Records will inaugurate its new > Internet-only record label Rhino Handmade with a 2-CD set comprised > of Wild Man Fischer's three LPs for the label along with 30-40 > minutes of unreleased material. The compilation will be available > through the Internet only, and will be a limited pressing of 1,000 > copies, so be sure to keep an eye on the pertinent web sites for > further information. > > Irwin Chusid is working on a book entitled "Songs In The Key Of Z: > Outsider Music," which will include a chapter on Wild Man Fischer. > > > I dunno about you, but I cannot wait for this Rhino Handmade thing. > It's gonna be good, I'm sure. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:02:26 EDT From: DDerosa5@aol.com Subject: Re: ray Joel asked where to look for Ray Hitchcock's books. Categorization of Ray would depend on the bookstore. He has three somewhat cheesy war books, all somewhat damning of the British role in WWII, which could be in fiction or thriller. They read well, not funny, better than Tom Clancy or Ken Follett, but not as good as Frederick Forsythe, and certainly no Spy who Came in from the Cold. These are dated 1979-1983 (Archangel 006, last one I know of). Attack the Lusitania is dedicated "FOR LAL AND FLEUR, who have suffered so nobly"; Canaris Legacy is dedicated "To Ann and Michael, with love and gratitude", Archangel has no dedication. All were published by St. Martin's Press. His early novels, Percy, Venus 13, and Girl in my Soup are all comedy and came out in the 70s or maybe very late 60s (I'll check the dates later), and the former two could also be in SF. Don't know about the latter yet; I've now been told by Amazon it could be 2-3 weeks before I get it in my hands. We'll see. Ray has had books of short stories published, the stuff I'm most interested in, but have not sussed any out yet. Any fegs know good used book/OOP search engines that are better than the mega-sellers? Quail, you must know of some... I can't pretend to you that his books are gonna fill your various needs for Jacob Lurch, but it's so obvious to me that Ray told Robyn tons of bedtime stories, and so it's interesting to look through these looking for roots and correlations. Much of this is very mainstream--it's got glimpses of surreal leanings, but it seems so far that his really wacky stuff may not have made it to print, leaving Robyn free to either remember or make stuff up for interviews when he's asked about his influences. The comedy books are often mostly dialogue, so he is good at sidelong exposition, given some strange premises. For those of you who can't wait until later, here's the flyleaf copy on Ray from Attack the Lusitania: Raymond Hitchcock has written several TV plays, and articles for magazines as diverse as Penthouse and World Medicine. He is married with three children, and lives in a converted water-mill whose origins he has traced back to AD 961. So, who can find the TV plays (someone in UK?), and who can find back issues of World Medicine? Joel, can you check your back copies of Penthouse for us? C'mon people, lets split up here! dave PS. Joel, the penthouse thing is a joke, of course. How far back does your collection run? ( ; ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 17:00:38 -0500 From: "Kenneth" Subject: Re: fegtastes and various accomodations I do not often de-lurk as it were... but I will be at the show Satyrday night with a group of not-nescessarily -Fegs I am up for meeting others from this list for a bite prior to the show. please let me know when and where the group is meeting - -Kenneth - -----Original Message----- From: ultraconformist@mail.weboffices.com To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Date: 30 June 1999 22:39 Subject: Re: fegtastes and various accomodations >>hmmm, it's always harder to respond to posts when you read the digest... >> >>As someone who is going to both Metro shows, I'm up for meeting anyone who >>comes to town--if we only do one feg meet, would more people be coming Friday >>or Saturday? > >Well, if you're coming on Friday you won't see much Robyn, the shows are >Saturday and Sunday :). > >That being said, from what I have been able to gather here from my secret >Potsylvanian sources, it looks like Saturday is shaping up as the big Feg >day. Since I know we have quite a few vegs about (that would include me), >I'm not sure the Mongolian BBQ is a great idea. How about Penny's Noodle >Shop? I would think we'd probably have to have dinner early-ish, so that >people who have to pick up their tickets by 8 can do so without feeling >anxious for time. > >Here's who I either know will be attending the show or is rumored to be >attending the show on Saturday: Gnat, Vivien, Dave D., Dave Librik, Shane >Apple (or was that the 18th?), Dave Bell (I promise I'll get aholt of him >as news develops, thanks for the addy Hal :)), meself and my SO. Dolph will >also be present to show us all what dolphing really looks like, and recent >de-lurker Rebecca will also be present. I haven't yet talked to Jay >Blinking On and Off, but my guess is he is attending Saturday. Anyone else >we haven't heard from yet? > >Love on ya, >Susan > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:04:38 EDT From: DDerosa5@aol.com Subject: Eyes Really Shut Tonight on "Siskel and Kubrick": Two dead guys discuss their favorite movie. If you don't see any movies this year... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:48:20 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: ray DDerosa5@aol.com wrote: > For those of you who can't wait until later, here's the flyleaf copy on Ray > from Attack the Lusitania: > > Raymond Hitchcock has written several TV plays, and articles for magazines as > diverse as Penthouse and World Medicine. He is married with three children, > and lives in a converted water-mill whose origins he has traced back to AD > 961. > > So, who can find the TV plays (someone in UK?), and who can find back issues > of World Medicine? Joel, can you check your back copies of Penthouse for us? Penthouse has articles? Joel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:04:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Griffith Davies Subject: Robyn @ Rhino Thanks to the Feg who posted the original notification. I called Rhino (310-474-8685) to confirm, and yes, Robyn will be there at 3:00pm on Sunday August 1st. Since he will be in the Los Angeles area, rumour has it that he will also be performing on KCRW ("Morning Becomes Eclectic" or "The Open Road") around that time as well. Once I have more info, of course I will pass it on.... griffith ps - I actually 'heard' "Viva! Sea-Tac" on the radio this weekend (KCRW). Can't wait for the new disc which I have pre-ordered from CDnow. pps - had a "Love Boat" experience recently - I was a camera operator for a spanish language cooking show that featured Ed McMahon, Frankie Avalon, & Charro as guests. No, this was not a dream. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:14:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Kinky Kubrik & The Kinks On Mon, 12 Jul 1999, Capitalism Blows wrote: > lal. what's that short for, anyway? Lal is a fairly common name in the hindi/urdu world. I figured you'd know this for sure, eddie. I know it means red and can also be used as a suffice of a first name to mean young man, but it has another meaning I don't recall. > cineplexes.> > Henry & June may have been. can't remember for sure. Showgirls definitely > was. From what I recall, Henry and June was the first NC-17 film. Showgirls had two distinct releases, one NC-17 and one R. Many theater chains will not show NC-17 films and certainly no mall plexes will. > wanted to see a sexy thriller starring Tom Cruise.> I'm with Miles in agreeing that it's likely a distribution issue. But also let it be noted that theaters don't carry NC-17 films for two reasons: 1. Undoubtedly the most influential market segment is the teen. 2. Theaters don't check ID and an NC-17 film would force them to patrol more vigorously (thus disuading that ever-important teen demo. > Blair Witch Project opens on the same day as Eyes Wide Shut, and i must > confess i'm much more excited to see the former than the latter. Eh. A hoax is a hoax. We'll see if I change my tune after viewing the thing. J. - -- ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 21:13:41 -0400 From: michelle wiener Subject: Re: song id Mark_Gloster@3com.com wrote: > Some dead guy named Nils(some number of s's in the middle)son, > who is dead but had s's in his name. His first name might be > Harry. > > This ditty has since been redone with some level of popularity > by at least one other person, but may sound good when you're > dead. my favorite is the muppets. man, they could really wail. michelle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:58:24 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #245 >accompanied by an adult. If films exceed certain limits - for >instance if they show male genitalia - they get the dreaded NC17 >label which stands for "No Children 17 or under." is this such a big problem? Hey, a lot of films here get an R18 rating (no one under 18 allowed in) and it doesn't do the movies any harm! Of course, if US movie audiences are mainly under 17 it would hurt them, and it would also explain the intelligence levels of many US movies... James ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 00:22:01 EDT From: DDerosa5@aol.com Subject: three passages, two rays and a gem All right, what all did I promise to the list? Publication information on Ray Hitchcock's old sex comedy novels: Percy, copyright 1969, first published in USA 1970 by Dodd, Mead, dedicated to E.J.H. with the epigraph "Ancient sculpture is the true school of modesty. But where the Greeks had modesty, we have cant…where they had anything that exalts, delights, or adorns humanity, we have nothing but cant, cant, cant." Thomas Love Peacock Venus 13: A Cautionary Space Tale, published 1972 by W H Allen, dedicated To Robyn with epigraph "Naturam expellas furca, tamen usque recurret (If you drive nature out with a pitchfork, she will soon find a way back)" Horace You want samples? Here's a bit from Percy: "…the nagging question of Percy's parentage. Mr. Emmanuel Whitbread starts out as the object of the dream and incurs considerable ill will in the early stages; but later an inflatable animated maypole takes over, around which they all dance. That is to say, Hy, Mr. Emmanuel Whitbread, James Anthony himself, and later Willie, who manages to worm his way onto the village green through a carelessly left open portcullis. The village green, which is in reality a pulsating blanket of pubic hairs, grows so fast that James Anthony is forced to mow it night and morning. None of the others help, but stand beneath the rapidly changing maypole and laugh." Happy the Golden Dad? Oh, you want some Venus 13? Lemme look, hmm no, not that, maybe "Consider a world devoid of ragwort and vetch, without the silver salix or the purple-headed comfrey, where old man's beard is nothing but the growth of an ageing astronaut and forget-me-not, nothing but a memory pad." No, not very representative, how about, "It was the first sighting of the garters that brought him to a halt. Made of scarlet velvet with tapestry loops and based on early Venetian design, they held Nick in wonder. Tight on the finest part of her leg they were a joy to see and handle. However, once they were eased off to cries of: "What originality!" Jo returned to her earlier momentum. She raced into a strangely contorted position and it seemed only seconds before she was leaning up on one elbow with the edge of a bare buttock hard on the finch-green cushion and taking most of the weight…Jo announced the position proudly: 'The pinned Troides Priamus! It comes from South America, it's a butterfly with green tip wings.' Nick nodded. Jo continued to parade her all-embracing erudition: '…in some parts of the world, particularly in Latin America and areas of the far East, a slight variant is called The Electric Chair!' Nick could see why. Provided of course that Sing Sing had been shaken by an earthquake which had not only inverted the chair, but twisted it as well. Displaying her total superiority and ability to overcome all emotions, Jo struck again: 'Don't you know this way?' I think glimmers of Robyn can be seen in at least 19 of the above words. Last quotation for the night: from the Facets catalog for July/August, titled DEMME SHELTER. "Combining subversively catchy pop melodies with caustic, introspective lyrics, British singer-songwriter Robyn Hitchcock has been a cult attraction for 20 years, first as a member of the Soft Boys and the Egyptians, now as a solo performer. Jonathan Demme's admirably low-key rockumentary captures him in performance in an empty storefront on 14th street. As Hitchcock plays, and delivers his ruminative, between-songs monologues, we see the life of the street continuing behind him, including an occasional curious passerby stopping to peer in. It's a sterling idea, providing an ever-changing background, as well as a sly comment on rock's mercantile roots-and, perhaps, the ultimate irrelevance of the artist. And for Demme, a greatly talented filmmaker, it is a return to the clarity and rapt humanism of his earlier work. Occupying a folk rock middle ground between his Stop Making Sense, the Talking Heads concert film, and the Spalding Gray monologue movie Swimming to Cambodia, Storefront Hitchcock shows what a delicate touch the director has, how subtly he can manipulate lighting and camera angles to make Hitchcock's music even more absorbing than it is already. My grammar checker tells me that sentence is a run-on, luckily I didn't write it. Don't it make you want to see the movie? (Hush all of you who've seen it…) Anyway, I took up a big chunk of a digest for once, and I didn't even write most of it. G'night, dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 00:42:25 -0600 From: ultraconformist@mail.weboffices.com Subject: Re: Kinky Kubrik & The Kinks >But also let it be noted that theaters don't carry NC-17 films for two >reasons: >1. Undoubtedly the most influential market segment is the teen. >2. Theaters don't check ID and an NC-17 film would force them to patrol >more vigorously (thus disuading that ever-important teen demo. That's true too. Just way more hassle than they want, all around. But I would not underestimate the nuisance that morality protesters looking for news time can be (or threaten to be). Maybe you didn't go to see "Last Temptation of Christ" back in the day, but I did. If I ran a theater I'd think twice about booking a film that would cause so much disorder and nuisance outside. I wonder if I still have one of those "Tickets to Hell" I got while waiting in line. >> Blair Witch Project opens on the same day as Eyes Wide Shut, and i must >> confess i'm much more excited to see the former than the latter. > >Eh. A hoax is a hoax. We'll see if I change my tune after viewing the >thing. Whaddaya mean, a hoax? I never read any statement from the filmmakers purporting the actual existence of a "Blair Witch" or a group of student filmmakers associated with such a thing. The ad trailers may be misleading, but the filmmakers themselves have been quite upfront about the whole thing being fictional. The "fictional documentary" idea is one of the more interesting things about it. What they haven't been upfront about is the fact that they didn't exactly create the story out of whole cloth. If you don't know what I'm referring to, do a net search on "bell witch". Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 00:46:03 -0600 From: ultraconformist@mail.weboffices.com Subject: Re: ray >His early novels, Percy, Venus 13, and Girl in my Soup are all comedy and >came out in the 70s or maybe very late 60s (I'll check the dates later), "Girl in My Soup" would have to be late 60s, because it was made into a movie starring Peter Sellers in (I think) '69 or '70. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:25:21 +0100 (BST) From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: Re: http://158.72.105.122/gh/ephemera/Default.htm >>>>> "Ken" == Ken Ostrander writes: Ken> as for myself, i've never eaten weetabix At least 90% of my mornings on this planet have been started with Weetabix. Guess I can thank Kettering for a good proportion of my body mass. - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:31:17 +0100 (BST) From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: Re: song id >>>>> "Terrence" == Terrence M Marks writes: Terrence> On 12 Jul 1999, John B. Jones wrote: >> who sings the "you put the lime in the coconut" song??? Terrence> Harry Nilsson. Notable covers: 1) Fred Schneider, on his intriguingly annoying album "Just Fred". Think B-52's go punk... 2) The Muppets. - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:39:43 +0100 (BST) From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: Re: ray >>>>> "Joel" == Joel Mullins writes: Joel> Hey, I thought I'd head over to my local used bookstore and Joel> look for some Raymond Hitchcock. I know absolutely nothing Joel> about him, so what section should I look in? Fiction? Joel> Sci-Fi? Mystery? Other? Probably would be under several, if the US Library of Congress is to be believed (see http://lcweb.loc.gov/catalog/browse/). They've got seven books by Raymond. Stewart - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:50:15 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: ray On Tue, 13 Jul 1999 ultraconformist@mail.weboffices.com wrote: > "Girl in My Soup" would have to be late 60s, because it was made into a > movie starring Peter Sellers in (I think) '69 or '70. imdb gives 1970, and TAGIMS had a long run as a stage play before it was made into a film. Terence Frisby is credited with writing the play and co-writing the film, so the novel must go back at least 3 or 4 years earlier, _unless_ the book was just a novelisation of the film. My sister-in-law Caroline is known to the whole family as Lal (sometimes Lally) - no idea why. I wonder if Lal is just an abbreviation for Caroline? Never expected to come across a reference to Thomas Love Peacock (of "cant cant cant" fame) here. TLP was an interesting intellectual of the early 19th Century, whose books such as Crotchet Castle and Gryll Grange feature dialogues between thinly-disguised personalities of the period (e.g. Sylvan Forrester is a portrait of Percy Bysshe Shelley). The best gag I can remember is where the Capability Brown figure is showing some people round his latest landscaped garden: CB figure: The quality I pride myself on most when you walk round this garden is the quality of unexpectedness! Cynic: And what, pray, do you call this quality when you walk round the garden for a second time? - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 13:11:39 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Beefheart releases On Fri, 2 Jul 1999 gondola@deltanet.com wrote: > New Beefheart reissues of Safe as Milk and The Mirror > Man Sessions on Buddha are godlike -- much improved sound over > previous versions. I'm gonna toss my copy of I May Be Hungry > But I Sure Ain't Weird, or whatever it's called. No longer need > it. All those tracks are included as bonus tracks on the Buddha > reissues, with superior sound. Oh gosh, more material to buy, and I've only just spent sixty-one quid on the 5-CD boxed set. Do you have a track listing for the Mirror Man Sessions? There would have to be three versions of 'Trust Us' before you could safely dispose of both Hungry and Personal. Does it include 'Moody Liz' and that brilliant long vocal-less take of 'On tomorrow'? I've only listened to the first CD of the Grow Fins set so far, and the most impressive tracks are the live Howlin' Wolf covers, notably 'Evil coming on'. I'm slightly disappointed that they haven't found any alternate takes of 'Who do you think you're fooling?', 'Moonchild' or 'Diddy wah diddy'. - - Mike Godwin PS I think I already have something like five copies of Safe As Milk (original UK Pye LP, original US Buddha LP, Polydor 99 reissue with two tracks excised, CD reissue and another copy for luck) so I mustn't let the wife know I am planning to buy another ... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:30:04 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: Distinction Knaurr wrote: > But basically, yes, the big to-do is that homosexuality is a =lifestyle=, > not just a one-time thing, and that by living that lifestyle, you are > turning your back on God, since He sees it as an abomination. If you ask me, God's a homophobic, racist prick. But, of course, that's just my humble opinion. Joel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:54:17 -0400 From: "Chaney, Dolph L" Subject: RE: Distinction Joel says: >But, of course, that's just my humble opinion. Um. No it isn't. But God can take it. 8-) Please stop being hateful to those of us that practice Christianity and making an embarrassment of yourself, at least publicly. smiles, Dolph ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 13:55:22 +0100 (BST) From: toby Subject: Trading If anyone out there fancies a bit of trading, I've finally got all my RH tapes/minidscs/CDs in one place, and can copy onto minidisc or tape. Email me for a list - I've got a few unusual things. Cheers, toby ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:52:27 -0500 From: Knaurr Subject: Re: Distinction At 07:30 AM 7/13/99 -0700, you wrote: >Knaurr wrote: > >> But basically, yes, the big to-do is that homosexuality is a =lifestyle=, >> not just a one-time thing, and that by living that lifestyle, you are >> turning your back on God, since He sees it as an abomination. > >If you ask me, God's a homophobic, racist prick. But, of course, that's >just my humble opinion. I'm sorry you feel this way. You've obviously mistaken 15% of Christians who don't know their head from the hole in the ground for the God they claim to represent. That's not the God I serve. Those aren't the beliefs I carry. If you would like to continue this discussion off-list, I would be happy to explain myself more fully. But these people don't want to follow a religious debate. I think this message was deliberately hurtful, and I hope that in the future you will refrain from such scathing comments on-list. I don't mind if you flame me, but did you have to let everyone know how cruel you can be? You know that there are more than one Christians on this list, and religion being such a central part of these people's existance, you have cut at least two of us to the core. Thank you for sharing your opinion, though, and you are welcome to it. La. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ...be obsequeous, purple and clairvoyant... ...be oblong and have your knees removed. ...live in a swamp and be three dimensional... ...put a live chicken in your underpants. Just a little advice from Steve Martin's Grandmother on behalf of: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Rebecca Knaur becca@bonni.net (that makes her URL http://www.bonni.net/becca) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:21:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Distinction On Tue, 13 Jul 1999, Knaurr wrote: > I think this message was deliberately hurtful, and I hope that in the > future you will refrain from such scathing comments on-list. I don't mind > if you flame me, but did you have to let everyone know how cruel you can > be? You know that there are more than one Christians on this list, and > religion being such a central part of these people's existance, you have > cut at least two of us to the core. So what do you think, Fegs? Shall we all refrain from writing anything that might hurt someone's feelings from now on? I think that would make for a lot of healthy discussion. - --Chris ps: I thought Joel's comment was an obvious satire on the offensiveness of that minority of Christians who hate gays, not on all Christians; but what do I know? ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 8:48:7 -0600 From: Paul Christian Glenn Subject: Re: Re: Distinction At 7/13/99 9:21:00 AM, you wrote: >So what do you think, Fegs? Shall we all refrain from writing anything >that might hurt someone's feelings from now on? I think that would make >for a lot of healthy discussion. Is it okay, then, to begin trashing homosexuals, asians, african-americans, native americans, Mexicans, buddhists, muslims, Jews and others for the sake of healthy discussion? That seems a bit silly... I see nothing wrong with picking apart belief systems (in fact, I *like* doing that), but to trash *people* is just inexcusable for anybody with half a brain. ;) >ps: I thought Joel's comment was an obvious satire on the offensiveness of >that minority of Christians who hate gays, not on all Christians; but what >do I know? Didn't bother *me* much (and I am very much a Christian), but it clearly was offensive to some people, and isn't that the standard (for better or worse) that our post-modern and politically correct culture holds as holy? np: Terry Scott Taylor, "Knowledge and Innocence" Paul Christian Glenn | "Besides being complicated, trance@radiks.net | reality, in my experience, http://x-real.firinn.org | is usually odd." -C.S. Lewis Currently Reading: "The Complete Stories" by Flannery O'Connor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:51:48 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: When worldviews collide Christopher Gross: >So what do you think, Fegs? Shall we all refrain from writing anything >that might hurt someone's feelings from now on? I think that would make >for a lot of healthy discussion. I think that nothing cruel should ever again be said about "Perspex Island" or "Globe of Frogs," or any of the songs therein. - - Steve _______________ We're all Jesus, Buddha, and the Wizard of Oz! - Andy Partridge ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #246 *******************************