From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #242 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, July 9 1999 Volume 08 : Number 242 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: She was born to be my unicorn [Michael R Godwin ] I've done ... questionable things. [Christopher Gross ] Re: A child was graphically incinerated by igniting his anal wind...(NR) [ultraconformist@mail.weboffices.co] A dream to some . . . a nightmare to others! [The Great Quail Subject: Re: She was born to be my unicorn Don't remember any unicorns in Bladerunner (?1 word or two?) - I think I must have seen the standard version. The only authentic 20th Century sightings have been the breakthrough from Elidor and the unicorn sighted in the garden by one of Thurber's henpecked husbands. (There's also an unpleasant passage in 'The Queen of Air and Darkness' where Agravaine and co. kill a unicorn and saw off its head). And don't believe any of those people who show you a unicorn horn - it's a narwhal tusk every time! - - Mike "Is there light in Gorias?" Godwin PS to Quail: Excalibur? Verily you must be jesting - really dire greasy-lens tripe, 100%. They don't even have to find a shrubbery! I would have put you down as a 'Lancelot du Lac' man until I read that Francophobic outburst. If you really want films with people wearing buckets over their heads, 'Alexander Nevsky' is the one to go for, but the Polish 'Knights of the Teutonic Order' is pretty good, albeit ponderous. Personally I like 'El Cid' but I do fast-forward all those 25-minute chunks where Sophia Loren keeps on emoting in a controlled sort of way. "Women in ponds waving swords about? What kind of basis for legitimate government is that?" (v approx, someone else must have the precise quote). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:56:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: I've done ... questionable things. On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, The Great Quail wrote: > 1. It is only in the Director's Cut are we given real evidence that > supports the "Decker as a Replicant" hypothesis. This version -- the > intended original one -- contains the controversial "unicorn dream" > sequence, which when coupled with Gaff's faux-origami unicorn, seems to > hint that Decker is indeed a replicant who is under surveillance. I don't see that as much of a hint, though. Why can't the origami unicorn just be a coincidence, psychologically meaningful to Deckard, perhaps, but just another origami pet to Gaff? Maybe I need to see it again. (I only own the originally released version, so I've seen that many more times than the director's cut.) > I > disagree with Chris though, as I think this is interpretation is just as > interesting and profound as the "Decker is a Human" hypothesis. One of the > major questions in the book is whether or not replicants can feel emotions > as deeply and meaningfully as humans; and Decker certainly does. In fact, > he develops a higher system of morality than most of the humans around him. > (Though Gaff does let them go at the end.) Eh, maybe that is just as interesting as my interpretation. But I still like mine better. We, the audience, already see the humanity of the replicants in Rachael (and in the others to a lesser extent -- they certainly have thoughts and feelings, but they're a bit alien). I like having Deckard as a human character in the story who comes to the same understanding. Even if he is a replicant, though, I still love that flick. On the other hand, it might be fun to look at it in an eXistenZ sort of way -- how do you know what is real? If Rachael can have a whole fake past implanted in her brain, how can Deckard, or anyone else, be sure his memories of a previous life are real? Hell, maybe Michael, Capuchin and even the Quail really ARE replicants! I always thought the Quail's memory of all those classic punk bands coming to his hometown was a bit hard to believe.... > It has influenced so many SF movies that the phrase "A > Bladerunner universe" has become a cliché. (Even CAPalert uses it for "The > Matrix," which ironically enough was NOT at all a "Bladerunner like > universe.") "A Bladerunner universe" has been debased to mean "any setting that is urban, technologically advanced, and features lots of neon lighting on dark backgrounds. Plus it should rain a lot." "Deckard" is the spelling given in the IMDB. Is this accurate? How was it spelled in the book? - --Chris Tyrell ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:54:13 -0700 From: "Partridge, John" Subject: RE: She was born to be my unicorn > PS to Quail: Excalibur? Verily you must be jesting - really dire > greasy-lens tripe, 100%. They don't even have to find a > shrubbery! I would > have put you down as a 'Lancelot du Lac' man until I read that > Francophobic outburst. If you really want films with people wearing > buckets over their heads, 'Alexander Nevsky' is the one to go > for, but the > Polish 'Knights of the Teutonic Order' is pretty good, albeit > ponderous. > Personally I like 'El Cid' but I do fast-forward all those 25-minute > chunks where Sophia Loren keeps on emoting in a controlled > sort of way. Absolutely! "Alexander Nevsky" is a beautiful Eisenstein film with a score by Tchaikovksy. I don't like all Tchai. but I liked this Tchai. Especially "Battle on the ice" - it's the progenitor of that menacing Jaws theme. > > "Women in ponds waving swords about? What kind of basis for legitimate > government is that?" (v approx, someone else must have the > precise quote). > As I enjoy hitting the Python website, here it is post haste: DENNIS: Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony. ARTHUR: Be quiet! DENNIS: Well, but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you! ARTHUR: Shut up! DENNIS: I mean, if I went 'round saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away! ARTHUR: Shut up, will you? Shut up! DENNIS: Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system. ARTHUR: Shut up! DENNIS: Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help! I'm being repressed! ARTHUR: Bloody peasant! DENNIS: Oh, what a give-away. Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about. Did you see him repressing me? You saw it, didn't you? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:03:48 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: "Let me tell you about my MOTHER!!!" On 7/9/99 8:27 AM, The Great Quail wrote: >A few things about "Bladerunner," which is one of my Top Five Movies of All >Time (The others being "Wings of Desire," "Excalibur," Fellini's "8 1/2," >and "Passion in the Desert"): We learned recently that Titanic ranks #6 on the Quail Scale, so don't let his pseudo intellectual ramblings fool you. He's just a sucker for sappy chick flicks. My script in progress for "Summer Of Titanic", a Spike Lee Joint: Jack: "Rose!" Rose: "Jack!" Jack: "Rose!" Rose: "Jack!" Jack: "Rose!" Rose: "Jack!" Jack: "Rose!" Rose: "Jack!" Jack: "Rose!" Rose: "Jack!" David Berkowitz: "MAKE THEM SHUT UP!!! AAAAGH!!!" Jack: "Rose!" Rose: "Jack!" Jack: "Rose!" Rose: "Jack!" Sam The Talking Dog: "I want you to kill them." David Berkowitz: "Yes, Master." Jack: "Rose!" Rose: "Jack!" Jack: "Rose!" Rose: "Jack!" David Berkowitz: BLAM BLAM BLAM!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:12:45 -0600 From: ultraconformist@mail.weboffices.com Subject: Re: A child was graphically incinerated by igniting his anal wind...(NR) >bulworth, on the other hand, sounds quite familiar...some older >english novel, surely, though i don't want to stop and track it >down, so i guess i'll just let it bubble up. Nope. A fairly recent American political satire starring Warren Beatty. I thought it was hilariously funny. I can certainly see how it would offend "good American family values" types (since they're actually one of the many targets), but I can't imagine what made it more offensive to them than South Park. What on earth could it be? What's the url for their site again? Now I'm curious. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:27:25 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: A dream to some . . . a nightmare to others! I am *not* joking about "Excalibur." It is one of my Top Five movies. I will not defend it, either -- you love it or you don't, and I am secure in my membership of the former cult. I cry at the end of that movie, *every time,* and I've seen it maybe 10-12 times. And oh, the Wagner! Sigh. >Absolutely! "Alexander Nevsky" is a beautiful Eisenstein film. I also love "Alexander Nevsky," the most artfully done piece of propaganda since Shakespeare's "Henry V." Of course, I do always root for the Teutonic Knights, though. When they throw that baby onto the fire, ha ha ha! Oh, sigh. Great stuff. > with a >score by Tchaikovksy. I don't like all Tchai. but I liked this Tchai. >Especially "Battle on the ice" - it's the progenitor of that menacing >Jaws theme. Well, I hate to deprive you of the one Tchai piece that you like, because I am sorry to say, the composer was Prokoviev. Tchaikovsky could never write something that blood curdling, epic, or menacing. Best medieval battle movie scene: Branagh's "Henry V." Which, if it weren't for "Passion in the Desert," might be in the Top Five. - --We few, we happy band of quails. . . . PS: I said the unicorn only "hints" that Deckard was a skinjob. So "nyah" to Chris. One day you will learn to accept it. PPS: Given the flick "Summer of Sam," maybe I should lay off the talking dog thing for a while, mm? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Great Quail, Storyteller of New York by Night http://www.rpg.net/quail/NYBN "But we are pledged to set this world free -- our toil must be in silence and our efforts in secret for in this enlightened age, when men believe not even what they see, the doubting of these men would be his greatest strength." --Abraham Van Helsing, "Dracula" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:32:11 PDT From: "D B" Subject: Re: A child was graphically incinerated by igniting his anal wind...(NR) > > > >bulworth, on the other hand, sounds quite familiar...some older > >english novel, surely, though i don't want to stop and track it > >down, so i guess i'll just let it bubble up. > >Nope. A fairly recent American political satire starring Warren Beatty. I >thought it was hilariously funny. > >I can certainly see how it would offend "good American family values" types >(since they're actually one of the many targets), but I can't imagine what >made it more offensive to them than South Park. There was no claim made that it was more offensive to them than South Park. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:42:58 -0600 From: ultraconformist@mail.weboffices.com Subject: Re: A child was graphically incinerated by igniting his anal wind...(NR) >>I can certainly see how it would offend "good American family values" types >>(since they're actually one of the many targets), but I can't imagine what >>made it more offensive to them than South Park. > >There was no claim made that it was more offensive to them than South Park. Well then, clever, how is it they made it through all of "South Park" and couldn't stomach more than 70 minutes of "Bulworth"? It's not completely illogical to conclude that this film might have offended them more than "South Park" did, since they sat through ALL of that one. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:00:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Upright Citizens' Cryptonomicon Brigade (longish, RH at end) On Wed, 7 Jul 1999 DDerosa5@aol.com wrote: [UCB] > YES! well, when I get to see it anyway. I like the ends, when they are > dealing with real people out in the world, with the camera usually out > of the way, totally fucking with people, unlike say Michael Moore. meaning that Michael Moore doesn't fuck with people, or doesn't keep the camera out of the way? MM's pranks are generally designed for the presence of the camera, making people feel even more put on the spot than if some bearded guy just accosted them on the street. anyway, i watch Upright Citizens' Brigade whenever i get the chance. could use fewer anus jokes, though. a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:25:58 -0700 From: "Partridge, John" Subject: RE: A dream to some . . . a nightmare to others! > Well, I hate to deprive you of the > one Tchai piece > that you like, because I am sorry to say, the composer was Prokoviev. > Tchaikovsky could never write something that blood curdling, epic, or > menacing. > Doh! Being ignorant sucks. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 14:49:10 -0400 From: michelle wiener Subject: Re: A child was graphically incinerated by igniting his anal wind...(NR) > >There was no claim made that it was more offensive to them than South Park. > > Well then, clever, how is it they made it through all of "South Park" and > couldn't stomach more than 70 minutes of "Bulworth"? It's not completely > illogical to conclude that this film might have offended them more than > "South Park" did, since they sat through ALL of that one. perhaps it has something to do with "bulworth" being an overtly political movie about the need for reform (and perhaps--just perhaps--because it's a movie about white people needing black people--even if it's only for political clout). i think what i was trying to imply was the possibility that this guy actually *liked* the movie, and his vitriolic review a lame attempt to cover that up, like latent homosexual urges masked by uber-macho, chauvanistic behavior. like evangelists preaching sex as a sin and then getting caught with a prostitute or two. michelle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:04:32 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: "Let me tell you about my MOTHER!!!" In a message dated 7/9/99 8:44:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, quail@panix.com writes: << 1. It is only in the Director's Cut are we given real evidence that supports the "Decker as a Replicant" hypothesis. This version -- the intended original one -- contains the controversial "unicorn dream" sequence, which when coupled with Gaff's faux-origami unicorn, seems to hint that Decker is indeed a replicant who is under surveillance. >> I always assumed that the unicorn (both in dream and "faux-oragami") was supposed to represent . . . oh, you know, what's her name? -- the Replicant babe he runs off with at the end . . . anyway, I figured that the dream was telling him how important and rare a "creature" she is, while the gum-wrapper unicorn left by Gaff was just to let Decker know that he (Gaff) was onto her (what's-her-name), but that he, too, realized . . . well, at least that she was important to Decker and that it wasn't really important or worthwhile to . . . is it "retire" her? I'm now realizing that it's maybe been as long as a year since I last saw "Bladerunner." Completely unacceptable. Okay, top item on my birthday (30 on 8/5!) list for this year: Director's cut of "Bladerunner"! - -----Michael K., who, in the middle of writing this email, got a call from someone at Capitol that he's gonna get a promo of the "Pet Sounds" reissue -- woo-hoo!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:12:07 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Eyes Wide Shut [0% RH] In a message dated 7/8/99 5:59:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, hbrandt@milehigh.net writes: << Don't mind me. I'm just pissed because the US version of Kubrick's new one is going to be censored. >> Wow, that's really lame. To what extent is it going to be censored, does anyone know? - ------Michael K., who's way more looking forward to "Eyes Wide Shut" than any of the "summer blockbusters"! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:24:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: A child was graphically incinerated by igniting his anal wind...(NR) On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, michelle wiener wrote: > perhaps it has something to do with "bulworth" being an overtly > political movie about the need for reform (and perhaps--just > perhaps--because it's a movie about white people needing black > people--even if it's only for political clout). i think what i was > trying to imply was the possibility that this guy actually *liked* the > movie, and his vitriolic review a lame attempt to cover that up, like > latent homosexual urges masked by uber-macho, chauvanistic behavior. > like evangelists preaching sex as a sin and then getting caught with a > prostitute or two. Speaking of homosexuality, did you see his review of The Birdcage? Wow. Oh, and by the way, he blasts Annakin's minor protest to go to bed when his mother asks in The Phantom Menace, but completely dismisses a more adamant refusal from Jane and Michael in Mary Poppins (Mary Poppins gets a top score of perfectly clean... even though it depicts running away and control of parents through insubordinance and many other things the guy categorizes as arrogance, impudence, and hate). He also states over and over again that movies are getting worse. Specifically, he states that movies rated PG-13 today get the same rankings as R movies from 1995/6. He says one movie "clearly contained programming equivalent to R-rated movies of the analysis period just two to three years ago -- statistical proof that either the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) has lowered their acceptance criteria or the CAP Model has changed. As author and engineer of the CAP Model, I can say it has not changed." Yeah, buddy. But perhaps you've started marking down shit that you never would have noticed when you first started taking your notebook to the theater... like statue and painting nudity. Want to hear my VERY favorite sign that this guy is a sick fellow with serious hang-ups? Sex/Homosexuality: urinating in a commode Yeah. Pissing in a toilet is sexual material. I'll be the first to admit that anything can be sexual if done the right way, but pissing in a toilet... well, I'd say that's very rarely done in a sexual way (considering the frequency of non-sexual toilet urination). And while I thought eddie's mail was hilarious, I am somewhat sickened that he now feels his crusade has been validated. I've been considering a new plan of propaganda that is blatantly subversive and not sarcastic or insulting. I wonder if I can get billboard space... Jeme. - -- ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:25:18 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Rushmore and the Kinks In a message dated 7/8/99 8:25:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, skmull@swbell.net writes: << And which Kinks albums would you guys recommend I buy? >> I'll second Susan's vote for "Something Else" -- a little more somber than "Village Green," but every bit as good. Ends with what may be the greatest Kinks song of all time: "Waterloo Sunset" [the $9.99 U.S. version ends with that song; the newly remastered import version contains several really good bonus tracks -- get the import versions -- they're only around $15 or $16 each!] After "Something Else," I'd go for "Face to Face" (1966) if you want something more straightforwardly poppy or "Arthur" if you want something a little more epic (well, by Kinks standards, anyway). Good use of horns; nice balance of twee, VillageGreen-ish pop and some "heavier" rock material. All the albums before "Face to Face" have a little too much throw-away content on them for me to need to own them (although there are some great tunes!), and they got a little too rockin' after "Arthur" for me, although I do own and enjoy "Lola" quite a bit (well, and "Muswell Hillbillies" is pretty cool, too). Oh, for the earlier stuff, you might look into Rhino's "Greatest Hits" disc. Unfortunately it does *not* have "Nothing in the World . . . ," but it does have most of their great material from '64 to '66. There. That's everything I know about the Kinks. Hope it helps :-) - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:28:12 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: Robyn Hitchcock] In a message dated 7/8/99 11:29:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, skmull@swbell.net writes: << Anyway, I thought the guy was a bit of an asshole trying to charge $45 for a promo. I got the feeling he was trying to take advantage of me. >> That's always seemed to me to be the whole point of ebay, which is why I try not to get involved. I much prefer GEMM, where the price on the sticker is exactly what ya pay for it! - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:06:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: A child was graphically incinerated by igniting his anal wind...(NR) > I can certainly see how it would offend "good American family values" types > (since they're actually one of the many targets), but I can't imagine what > made it more offensive to them than South Park. What on earth could it be? Warren Beatty raps. If that isn't a reason to walk out of a film, I don't know what is. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 13:33:56 PDT From: "D B" Subject: Re: A child was graphically incinerated by igniting his anal wind...(NR) > >There was no claim made that it was more offensive to them than South >Park. > >Well then, clever, how is it they made it through all of "South Park" and >couldn't stomach more than 70 minutes of "Bulworth"? It's not completely >illogical to conclude that this film might have offended them more than >"South Park" did, since they sat through ALL of that one. > No, I don't suppose it would be illogical to assume that. But I think the reason they may have sat thru South Park was that they deemed it so repugnant that not to sit thru it would be to leave themselves in no position to defend others against its vices. And I would have to agree that the film is dangerous, in the sense that anyone under thirty is likely too much a part of this current generation to be anyhting but bolstered by it. Armageddon, here we come, and it's no effing joke... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 13:36:50 PDT From: "D B" Subject: Re: A child was graphically incinerated by igniting his anal wind...(NR) > > > perhaps it has something to do with "bulworth" being an overtly > > political movie about the need for reform (and perhaps--just > > perhaps--because it's a movie about white people needing black > > people--even if it's only for political clout). i think what i was > > trying to imply was the possibility that this guy actually *liked* the > > movie, and his vitriolic review a lame attempt to cover that up, like > > latent homosexual urges masked by uber-macho, chauvanistic behavior. > > like evangelists preaching sex as a sin and then getting caught with a > > prostitute or two. > >Speaking of homosexuality, did you see his review of The Birdcage? Wow. > >Oh, and by the way, he blasts Annakin's minor protest to go to bed when >his mother asks in The Phantom Menace, but completely dismisses a more >adamant refusal from Jane and Michael in Mary Poppins (Mary Poppins gets a >top score of perfectly clean... even though it depicts running away and >control of parents through insubordinance and many other things the guy >categorizes as arrogance, impudence, and hate). He also states over and >over again that movies are getting worse. Specifically, he states that >movies rated PG-13 today get the same rankings as R movies from 1995/6. He >says one movie "clearly contained programming equivalent to R-rated movies >of the analysis period just two to three years ago -- statistical proof >that either the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) has lowered >their acceptance criteria or the CAP Model has changed. As author and >engineer of the CAP Model, I can say it has not changed." Yeah, buddy. >But perhaps you've started marking down shit that you never would have >noticed when you first started taking your notebook to the theater... like >statue and painting nudity. > >Want to hear my VERY favorite sign that this guy is a sick fellow with >serious hang-ups? > >Sex/Homosexuality: >urinating in a commode > >Yeah. Pissing in a toilet is sexual material. > >I'll be the first to admit that anything can be sexual if done the right >way, but pissing in a toilet... well, I'd say that's very rarely done in a >sexual way (considering the frequency of non-sexual toilet urination). > >And while I thought eddie's mail was hilarious, I am somewhat sickened >that he now feels his crusade has been validated. And I find myself missing Eb's contributions to this thread quite a bit. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 13:38:48 PDT From: "Ariel Green" Subject: Re: The CAP Archives of which several of you speak Can't seem to find 'em... help? _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 17:57:35 -0400 From: michelle wiener Subject: Re: A child was graphically incinerated by igniting his anal wind...(NR) Livia wrote: > "my love explodes" by whom? on what album? > Dukes of Stratosphear--from "25 O'Clock" and also on the CD "Chips From the Chocolate Fireball (an anthology)" which includes both "25 O'Clock" and "Psonic Psunspot." XTC's alter-ego band, the sort of band that andy partridge once said they all wanted to be in when they were in high school. much psychedelia. i was always hoping they'd release another album... "i saw something nasty in the woodshed." "yeah, but did it see *you*, baby?" cheers, michelle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:37:03 -0700 From: "Livia" Subject: Re: A child was graphically incinerated by igniting his analwind...(NR) > Livia wrote: > > > "my love explodes" by whom? on what album? > > Dukes of Stratosphear--from "25 O'Clock" and also on the CD "Chips From the > Chocolate Fireball (an anthology)" which includes both "25 O'Clock" and "Psonic > Psunspot." XTC's alter-ego band, the sort of band that andy partridge once > said they all wanted to be in when they were in high school. much > psychedelia. i was always hoping they'd release another album... well, maybe this will be the year hat they finally will > "i saw something nasty in the woodshed." > "yeah, but did it see *you*, baby?" did it ever! > cheers, > michelle and hip hop hooray to you ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:49:30 -0700 From: "Livia" Subject: Re: A child was graphically incinerated by igniting his anal wind...(NR) > >Want to hear my VERY favorite sign that this guy is a sick fellow with > >serious hang-ups? > > > >Sex/Homosexuality: > >urinating in a commode > > > >Yeah. Pissing in a toilet is sexual material. > > > >I'll be the first to admit that anything can be sexual if done the right > >way, but pissing in a toilet... well, I'd say that's very rarely done in a > >sexual way (considering the frequency of non-sexual toilet urination). i recently made a rather sick joke about the toilet bowl being god's mouth (and thus god is one big urophiliac). does that count? > >And while I thought eddie's mail was hilarious, I am somewhat sickened > >that he now feels his crusade has been validated. > > And I find myself missing Eb's contributions to this thread quite a bit. perhaps e# could fill in while he's gone though i seem to be playing mostly in h today (and if that sounds like just more cryptic silliness, it actually isn't at all. i've been thinking about non-octatonic scales and r. fripp's notorious odd/diagonal time signatures for, well, quite some time, though as i can't really play anything or read music it's mostly theoretical. but please don't call me lydia.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 18:56:00 EDT From: DDerosa5@aol.com Subject: Kinks/RH connection Joel, if you want to get good Kinks stuff, you can of course get Best Of collections, but I (as a huge fan) have always found that frustrating. Most Kinks albums after their very earliest ones have at least a "feel" if not a full teme and plot and by the late 60s a cast of characters. Susan is right that Something Else, along with Arthur and VGPS (which you have) are widely considered to be them at the top of their form. Lola vs. Powerman and the Money-Go-Round is the fabulous album that put them back in the pantheon, and not just for Lola--Apeman is on it too, perhaps my favorite Kinks song ever, and a great blow against censorship (on an album where Ray had to re-record the Coca-Cola bit, as has been covered onlist before, he got the line "the air pollution is fucking up my eyes" past the censors by having the lyric sheet say "fogging up"!) but, if you want a really odd Kinks album, and with a Hitchcock connection, I'd get Percy, now finally re-released on CD. It's the soundtrack to a movie (which I've still never seen, though I've shopped for it for years), based on a best seller by Raymond Hitchcock. I have read the book, very funny in parts (I'll post some sample graphs some time), and the album could not be further from the book's lighheartedness. But it (the record) does have some fabulous songs, like "God's Children" and "Animals in the Zoo", plus a great instrumental version of Lola. By the way, I also have a copy of "Venus 13", Ray Hitchcock's follow up to Percy (and dedicated to Robyn). Both are silly SF sex farces, but Venus 13 is set in space, is is kinda goofy. Maybe I'll put a little of both online this weekend. I've been looking for other Hitchcock books--I have both "There's a Girl in my Soup" and "the Gilt-Edged Boy" on order at amazon and barnes & noble, but they don't seem to do book searches very fast (I doubt it makes them much money--though I did end up paying almost 40 bucks for Percy!) I've heard he has other titles beyond his three war thrillers--in fact Robyn mentioned one in Viv's interview I'd never seen before. Anyone else on list ever gone looking for these little gems? dave and livia, tsk tsk, "my love explodes" is Dukes of Stratosphear, XTC in a gaudy disguise, quite fabulous, reminds me at times of Olivia Tremor Control. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #242 *******************************